Jesus was born 41 days before Passover according to my calculations. I believe this was in the third week of our January that year. About a year after the curiosity that made me count days, i found the proof. First you need to remember that there were some faithful who had been promised to live long enough to see the messiah. Like Jesse the father of David they were greatly advanced in years or שלג. This word has an interesting spelling of 300 + 30 + 3 which caught my attention. The baby boy must necessarily be presented in the temple at 40 days of age. So late in the afternoon on the eve of Passover Anna and Simeon were present when Mary and Joseph arrived. Anna no doubt lived in the surrounding cloisters as she never left the temple. The word says that she summoned the others. The child was recognized, blessed and magnified. After God's promise was fulfilled, Simeon gave up the ghost. (I should say here that on this day, years later, Jesus,too, would give up his spirit.) The evidence of this being true is found in historical record. On Passover morning, the temple workers arrived to prepare for the activities of the day. To their surprise there were dead bodies strew about! The temple was defiled, Passover was rescheduled and the hated Samaritans were blamed. From that day forward Samaritans were not permitted on temple grounds. (You will please excuse any typos. Age has damaged m eyesight.) I have some thoughts about Bethlehem which are opinion as differing from the above which is fact. Bethlehem had been the location of Solomon's stables for his brood mares. Armies require war horses and the wealthy Solomon may have had substantial stone stables constructed. The image of the horse in scripture is seldom noticed. An army in ancient times was called the hore. God refers to Istael as his majestic horse in battle. When even Elijah cowered in fear of Jezebel, a horse appeared to trample her to death in the horse gate. There is a play on words of the horse being a vain thing for safety. Susa, i understand, was named for the horse. And are all things vanity? Or are all things by and of our savior. Jesus is the salvation of Jah. He will come again as Jah sus. (Just a thought)

So many errant teachings from those who have strayed from the true teachings of the Church.

Genetic fallacy

​@@user-ri5ff8ll4zNo, not really. The arguments stem from the same underlying philosophy which makes their arguments fundamentally errant

@@user-ri5ff8ll4z so, the problem with just spouting "fallacy!" Is that all lines of reasoning which are fallacious in one context are sound in another. For instance, if I'm trying to convince you that guinea pigs make good pets, and someone calls me a Nazi, this is an ad hominem, because it doesn't actually relate to the argument. *But*, if I'm trying to convince you I am a man of good moral character and than someone calls me a nazi, this is actually not a fallacy at all, because while it's still an attack on my person, it's also relevant to the topic. This in mind, the source of an argument is actually not fallacious when they argument itself only exists to point at the source. Pointing out that the group is heretical is relevant, because they aren't making this video simply for academic reasons, but are making it to get people in the right mind to accept heresy by attacking orthodox practices

I question trinitarianism (I find the arguments in favor of Trinitarianism weak, and based in outside interpretation of the Bible/mistranslations, but still believe Jesus is the Son of God and the most perfect of man/the Last Adam/The Savior), but MAN does the guy/group in this video sound like they're either absolutely and completely incompetent at Biblical Research, or they're actually heretics trying to undermine Christianity by disconnecting Christians from Christ/God/The Christian Faith.

здравствуй, мой христианский брат! (спасибо Google Translate!)

in any case the "Living Church of God" is a cult

TBF, this isn't even Protestant, just heretical. Apparently, they're non-trinitarian.

The Roman Catholic Church claims the same thing and is anything but! 😃

@@mikekayanderson408The Church existed before the Bible (which Jesus never told His disciples to write.)

​@@MeanBeanComedy "Non-Trinitarian" just tells me it would take some investigation to uncover whether they could even be considered Christians at all.

@@alonsoACRif they don’t believe on the trinity then no they aren’t Christian. God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One. Period.

Those damn pagans and their.... spending time with family? Enjoying meals together? Decorating their house with blow up penguins?

Ah yes the evil pagan tradition of *(checks notes)* ...frosted cookies

@@carstontoedter1333😂😂😂

@@carstontoedter1333 And of chopping down a pagan tree of worship, like Saint Boniface did. Wait...

@@carstontoedter1333and let’s not forget the dastardly and diabolical nature of… gingerbread houses.

There seems to have always been Gnostics and other species of heretics around, so perhaps he thinks of Catholic as mainstream, and himself identifies with the heretics.

Como ? Eu n sabia disso hahah

​@@isabelfigueiredo6271 Os nomes que damos aos dias comuns (feira) são referência à semana santa da idade média onde ninguém trabalhava, era uma semana de 'férias', então segunda-feira era o segundo dia de férias da semana santa, e isso se manteve, exceto pelo sábado que vem dos judeus (shabat) dia de descanso, e do domingo (dominus) que é o dia do senhor.

I think it's because they are salesmen. Their livelihood depends on people buying their product.

Because neither can be trusted.

Protestants have careers, men of God have vocations.

😂

Spot on! I've noticed this tactic is used by anti-Catholics, atheists, democrats, and used car salesmen. They want you to buy what they're selling.

It’s an argumentum ad populum in this case an argument from consensus.

It reminds me of the how to win friends and influence people kind of books. Mental manipulation. Sad.

@@johnsayre2038 I think you’re exactly right, that’s what I was thinking of. Maybe even NLP.

​@@daviddabrowski01NLP?

I think Mary visited Elizabeth after Elizabeth was pregnant not before.

John the Baptist Feast of his nativity is June 24th. Zachariah's cycle was twice a year. Which puts him in the Temple in mid to later september. 6 months later, March 25th, is Gabriel's Annunciation to Mary.

Pretty sure john the baptist's nativity is part of the whole cycle starting from march 25th being creation day/annunciation/good friday, its 3 months after mar 25th, which is the time mary spent with elizabeth at the visitation. I dont think we can use that to prove when zacariah was in temple, it is circular reasoning. I agree with the early church and Joe about the date of christmas, just not this particular line of reasoning

@stananders2333 Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: 1 Chronicals 24:7-19 list the priestly courses. The courses are repeated every year. 1 Chronicles 24:The first lot fell to Jehoiarib, the second to Jedaiah, 8 the third to Harim, the fourth to Seorim, 9 the fifth to Malkijah, the sixth to Mijamin, 10 the seventh to Hakkoz, the eighth to Abijah, According to the Babylonian Talmud, the course of Jehoiarib was on duty during the destruction on Solomon's Temple 9th day of AV 587. The course of Jehoiarib was on duty again during The Second Temple destruction on the 9th day of Av(early August) 70 AD. 7 courses later was Abijah(Abia, Abias).The time Zechariah was in the Temple, would correlate right about the time of The Day of Atonement. Late Septemberish. 6 months later would be late March. The traditional date of the Gabriel's Annunciation to Mary is March 25th. The traditional date for John The Baptists birth is 3 months later, June 24th. 6 months later is Dec. 24th/25th

The Roman Catholic Church is one big lie! Therefore not condoned by God !

@@mikekayanderson408 that is quite the claim - I’m assuming you have some facts to back it up??

Owning animals and caring for them isn’t limited to the time of year. I’ve had to be midwife to our goats in winter, I fail to see why people would think shepherds of any era would neglect their animals just because it is cold.

All their teaching on popes, Peter, Mary, justification , Mass, penance , priesthood, are all unbiblical to name some of them! Not one of them stands up to close scrutiny compared to Scripture. K@@irishandscottish1829

@@Fiona2254 Not neglect, allow them to spend the night out on the freezing desert as opposed to somewhere more reserved...

Devotional meditation.

Sadly that channel publishes a lot of slander and falsehoods about the Church now days

@@gijoe508 Really? I listen to them on AM radio and it seems pretty good to me

@@NachoManBoy4 I heard they lie about the Pope and twisted what he saying to make it sound like he against the Church teachings.

EWTN is wonderful however they have had a few Catholic news organizations on that fail to represent the truth accurately

@@michaelrome3527 Interesting. I do wish Catholic answers live would have Fr Ripperger on, I know that much. I’ll still listen since most of the time their stuff is great.

I agree, parents are not lying to their children. Santa Claus is a form of storytelling for children that forms their sense of wonder and cultivates their imagination! It's good for kids, in my opinion.

It’s not just a Spanish tradition - it’s also an Irish tradition. My dad in his 70’s always celebrated ‘little Christmas’ where he and his siblings were given a small gift and he passed it on to us kids.

The Orthodox give gifts on Epiphany and not Christmas.

​@@milkeywilkie- Personal opinion that the proto moment of modern atheism is discovering that gifts that came from a person who is judging behavior is just your parents, quite often looking to insist on good behavior. Even mild untruths can have lasting effects.

​@@LauraBeeDannon- So did Catholics, but the calendar in the West is heavily influenced by Protestantism

No, actually probably traced back to the poem by Clement Moore…. A visit from Saint Nicholas commonly known as Twas the night before Christmas.

I'm fine with him. We don't overdo it. I'm going to tell my daughters about St. Nicholas and he embodies the spirit of generosity we want during the year. I think it's the only way to make it full circle.

​@@femaleKCRoyalsFan- Oh sure. His modern red and white suit however is from advertising from Coca-Cola. European festivals with St. Nicolas have him dressed as bishop or more traditional European clothing.

​@@canibezeroun1988- I don't like lying to kids. It undermines trust. 😕

Well my oldest daughter is 3. I might have to approach this when she is capable of more abstract thought, but our goal is to get her to see these things as symbols that have a deeper meaning, but people have confused them for the meaning. @@atrifle8364

It was a festival of lights, not the modern Hanukkah. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bJNmpqt40puYd3k.html

Because the Protestant Bible that was butchered by Luther cut out all of Maccabees that gives us how Hanukkah (and praying for the dead) came to be.

​@@po18guy i thought it was added by constantine at the council of nicea when he wrote the bible 😂

​@@po18guy😂

​@@po18guy- No it was not

Buon i natale!

Lol he DOES sound like Gore

😂 I was wondering what his voice reminded me of…

😂 Al Gore called, he wants his voice back... Ngl, the Al Gore voice makes this so much better!

"Merry" is an old English word. It's close to "Mary" but it's not.

I found Christ in the Mass on……..Christ mas

Confession. Didn’t get through the whole video yet. Maybe you covered it.

Yes, but I requires confirmation of the a fixed date and the courses of the priests. The Bible leaves a clue to the conception of John The Baptist. If you can figure that date out, you can know when Christmas should be. Luke 1:5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: 1 Chronicals 24:7-19 list the priestly courses. The courses are repeated every year. 1 Chronicles 24:The first lot fell to Jehoiarib, the second to Jedaiah, 8 the third to Harim, the fourth to Seorim, 9 the fifth to Malkijah, the sixth to Mijamin, 10 the seventh to Hakkoz, the eighth to Abijah, According to the Babylonian Talmud, the course of Jehoiarib was on duty during the destruction on Solomon's Temple 9th day of AV 587. The course of Jehoiarib was on duty again during The Second Temple destruction on the 9th day of Av(early August) 70 AD. 7 courses later was Abijah(Abia, Abias).The time Zechariah was in the Temple, would correlate right about the time of The Day of Atonement. Late Septemberish. 6 months later would be late March. The traditional date of the Gabriel's Annunciation to Mary is March 25th. The traditional date for John The Baptists birth is 3 months later, June 24th. 6 months later is Dec. 24th/25th

Boxing day is celebrated a lot of places.

It was the day after Christmas when the left overs of the feast were shared in boxes with the servant staff

I know right?

Jenny, we are definitely in the wrong here (it's a distortion of the older "A for effort") but we're trying. So, E for... well, you know?

Dang it! 😟

We had a teacher that gave us "E for Effort" on our papers, she called them "E treats" and you got a penny for the peanut machine if you got one. 😊

​@@shamelesspoperyvindication! 🙌 thanks, Joe! Sorry sweetheart 😂

Did you watch the video? This has 0% to do with it being "triggering" and 100% to do with it being a false and baseless claim that's been largely discredited.

@shamelesspopery I watched most of it. The notion that there was no midwinter festival prior to Christianity though seems both unnecessary and unlikely. I don't think you would argue that the solstice wasn't celebrated even in the neolithic though so I'm not sure what position you're actually taking.

​@@SirSomnolent there were pagan holidays all over the calendar. My point was that we actually have the writings of early Christians about why they believed Jesus was born on December 25th, and they pretty obviously weren't trying to co-opt a pagan holiday. That's a modern myth that misunderstands both paganism and early Christianity. It would be like claiming that President's Day is an American attempt to co-opt St. Valentine's Day. The theory only works if you know little about the holidays or the peoples involved.

I'd point out that the only source we have on nimrod is the old testament and none of those details are in it

You ask for proof of those details from an ancient source.

Christmas is about Jesus' birth, not reindeer. 🤷‍♀️

Yes, it's another proof that's it an old heresy with a new name and not Christianity

What did you think of Joe’s argument?

Great! I felt the same. I battle each year with friends teasing me about not liking Christmas etc. but I could not really return to it all.

​@@mikekayanderson408- Being unwilling to celebrate the birth of the Son of God is not a great development. It doesn't have to be big.

Ignoring the birth of the Son of God is less God, not more

Really? I prefer the longer format. I find it much more engaging.

It takes time to explain why a lot of nonsense is wrong. He’s more thorough than the people making these claims.

The video I'm responding to is more than 20 minutes, so I don't know any way to both give it a fair hearing and respond to it in under 10, without leaving out some important points. But if you need a Cliff notes version: Christmas is not pagan, Saturnalia wasn't on the 25th, Sol Invictus doesn't seem to predate Christmas, and the early Christians calculated December 25 based on biblical evidence and the Jewish, Roman, and Egyptian calendars, rather than anything to do with paganism. For more, see above.

Lies are easily said, but most often take a long time to refute. That is why the "Gish Gallop" (toss out a lot of lies and half truths) is popular, as there's often not enough time during an interview or debate to fully refute all the lies, so the person using the Gish Gallop claims "He only refuted one thing (in this tiny amount of time), so he's wrong!". Also, patience is a virtue.

Second

first is the worst

second is the best

​@@evanwaniewski183nah, 3rd is the Holy Trinity

unfathomably based, as the internet people say@@essafats5728

You mean people of the same time period created similar art? Gasp.

@@LauraBeeDannonRight? God specifically selects a bunch of Israelite artificers to make the Tabernacle furnishings. Where exactly did they learn their crafts? Duh! Egypt!

That would include the man made tradition of the Bible alone.

A lot of man made popes out there today spewing garbage and confusion. Self proclaimed prophets who get an idea and declare it truth

Denominational pride is quite the drug

@@atrifle8364 Matthew 15:2-3 KJV Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. 3. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition...