Why Riding A Warhorse Was So Difficult!

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Modern History TV

Жыл бұрын

Jason Kingsley and Lloyd from the Lindybeige channel chat about historical cavalry and try riding a real champion jousting horse. #history #historyfacts #medieval
A big moment right at the end!
Warlord
Hawkeye
Production/editing/camera/sound by Kasumi as usual
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@trogdor8764
@trogdor8764 Жыл бұрын
I'm 100% up for Lloyd getting trolled by a horse for an hour.
@WheezerOfJuice
@WheezerOfJuice Жыл бұрын
😂
@billmiller4972
@billmiller4972 Жыл бұрын
Made me chuckle! Thank you Sir!
@snepping1885
@snepping1885 Жыл бұрын
the chad horse vs the chad Lloyd
@ndld4955
@ndld4955 Жыл бұрын
Yes .. 🐴He's Veeerry polite about it.. But also kind of insisting he have a more experienced rider.. After all i have won prizes.. 😌😏😌🤭😂
@melhawk6284
@melhawk6284 Жыл бұрын
​@NDLD ol Warlord looked like he was thinking "newbs... F*kin newbs. I don't want to drop the rookie, dad, but he is making it difficult!"
@scottm.603
@scottm.603 Жыл бұрын
Jason: "...and here is Warlord, he's..." The entire internet: "HE'S A GOOD BOOOY!"
@gasmonkey1000
@gasmonkey1000 Жыл бұрын
He's a cute baby!
@gavinclark6891
@gavinclark6891 Жыл бұрын
WARLORD BEST BABY
@beau-urns
@beau-urns 7 ай бұрын
He is a good boy after all though
@lynnegee6814
@lynnegee6814 3 ай бұрын
😂 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@mjg2008121
@mjg2008121 Жыл бұрын
I love Lloyd and Jason just having fun playing with their 'toys' together. They've both got slightly different areas of expertise, but a very similar level of enthusiasm. These crossover episodes really are great
@mjg2008121
@mjg2008121 Жыл бұрын
Sorry Jason, I didn't mean to offend. I think it's amazing that you have the ability to basically rediscover the practicality (or impracticality) of these historical methods and theorise about what it really would have been like to live these experiences (in this case fighting and riding techniques). You really do bring history to life. I just loved the energy both of you brought to this video and it just seemed like both of you were having so much fun. I understand that Warlord and Hawkeye are highly trained horses that you have spent years working with and caring for, and in no way are just 'toys'. They seem like amazing, sweet and magnificent creatures. That was just me being overly flippant and I meant no disrespect. I've enjoyed your content for years and I always look forward to your videos
@Oooo-bi7bi
@Oooo-bi7bi Жыл бұрын
Couldn’t agree any more. Although would like to see the historian and linguist , Simon Roper in the mix.
@MaggotDiggo1
@MaggotDiggo1 Жыл бұрын
It was funny when Jason was assuring Lloyd the horse won't run into him unless he's in a bad mood then continued to explain how horses being in a bad mood isn't unusual.
@leagueaddict8357
@leagueaddict8357 5 ай бұрын
If I was a horse I would be in a bad mood too.
@jk4thawin
@jk4thawin Жыл бұрын
Jason gives a horse riding lesson and Lloyd risks bruising his special area. All this and more on this weeks episode of: Two men confuse a Horse!
@susannekalejaiye4351
@susannekalejaiye4351 Жыл бұрын
Great name for this!
@KT-in3wb
@KT-in3wb Жыл бұрын
Hawkeye is so confused trying to understand what this weird hooman wants))
@karlchenmuller4059
@karlchenmuller4059 9 ай бұрын
😂
@perniciouspete4986
@perniciouspete4986 Жыл бұрын
11:36 Did Warlord ever work at the Ministry of Silly Walks? Seriously, I'm impressed by the Spanish walk. Extremely well-trained horse. You try to hide it, but your pride in him is evident.
@bcaye
@bcaye Жыл бұрын
He *is* gorgeous and so well trained. The bond is obvious.
@andrewsock1608
@andrewsock1608 Жыл бұрын
I think when he started the Spanish walk he was saying “ hey what ever he is saying is all Greek to me” 😂
@Oooo-bi7bi
@Oooo-bi7bi Жыл бұрын
He’s in top condition and clearly well looked after. It’s a slowed down version of the Hackney trot.Can’t remember the name of the Spanish horse troupe. That do synchronised formation unbelievable routines . Also have you seen the dancing camels of the Touareg in the Sahara . There also genius horse men.
@andretorres75
@andretorres75 Жыл бұрын
You join a Lusitano with a proficient rider and there’s magic!
@Oooo-bi7bi
@Oooo-bi7bi Жыл бұрын
@@andretorres75 are these the ones that the Spanish synchronised display team use. Grew up in a horse mad family. But never appreciated it until becoming an adult and discovering other people didn’t use the garage as a stable.
@lmtoad1397
@lmtoad1397 Жыл бұрын
I am continuously amazed at how well trained Warlord is. Not many horses will willingly tolerate poles being waved around them like that - even well trained horses. The flight instinct is so strong. A credit to your partnership with him! He trusts you completely.
@ModernKnight
@ModernKnight Жыл бұрын
Thanks, he's a wonderful horse.
@ShagShaggio
@ShagShaggio Жыл бұрын
"Smelling the poo is horse social media. There's a whole twitter feed down there." And thus looking at social media shall be rightly known as "smelling the poo" from this day forth. Great video! Cheers! 💚
@MichaelOnines
@MichaelOnines Жыл бұрын
This is obviously the purpose of the poop emoji.
@Kradlum
@Kradlum Жыл бұрын
Between you and Lloyd and Matt and Tod, we've had some fantastic videos in the last couple of weeks. I think both the horses got the measure of Lloyd. Warlord: wave a stick at me? Activate intimidating walk Hawkeye: Oh you want to go faster do you?
@Oooo-bi7bi
@Oooo-bi7bi Жыл бұрын
They’re the gems of KZfaq. It’s when the platform shines.
@tyree9055
@tyree9055 Жыл бұрын
Now to see all four of them together! 😅
@marcogenovesi8570
@marcogenovesi8570 Жыл бұрын
It's so cool to see a realistic scenario with a trained horse. The animal is doing its own things as well, sometimes funny, sometimes screwing up the action. It's not a mindless vehicle like we are used to with cars and anything else nowadays.
@tyree9055
@tyree9055 Жыл бұрын
Yes, they're not the mindless automatons that video games would have us believe! I can't wait for the first video game to implement a more realistic horse and then watch the horde of complaints about it!! 🤣👍
@eldorados_lost_searcher
@eldorados_lost_searcher Жыл бұрын
@@tyree9055 There's Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild. It's not entirely realistic, but you have to occasionally reassure your horse as it gets spooked, and they'll try to take their own path if they haven't built up a lot of trust with you.
@tyree9055
@tyree9055 Жыл бұрын
@Garret LeBuis Good! About time someone started improving these poor quality video games, they're making these days! 😅
@dave1994jones
@dave1994jones Жыл бұрын
As someone who spends a lot of time with horses, the walk to canter transition followed by "YES!.....OH SHIT!" echo'd only by the instructor's laughter is something I can appreciate only to well!
@karlchenmuller4059
@karlchenmuller4059 9 ай бұрын
57:29
@Avalon-zm1yl
@Avalon-zm1yl Жыл бұрын
What a great sport hawkeye is in this video you can see how much he trusts jason as he was continually looking at him to make sure that everything thing was OK. Also Loyd breaking into canter and then cussing is very relatable I had a horse that would occasionally test my abilities by choosing his own speed though I think I said worse words a 13 to my big man than Loyd.
@I_Willenbrock_I
@I_Willenbrock_I Жыл бұрын
Hawkeye is awesome.
@Admiral_Pumpout
@Admiral_Pumpout Жыл бұрын
who doesn't like seeing Lloyd struggle at controlling a horse but being splendidly pleasant about the whole affair whilst Jason looks on sniggering uncontrollably?! what a wonderful hour of two people and a couple of animals horsing around!
@alexk7973
@alexk7973 Жыл бұрын
as a horse person I truly enjoy how encouraging you are about there being no one single technique of holding the reins, but many across cultures and times. We usually get stuck on the technique that we first learned as the „right“ way to do things. Mostly between English and Western styles, but also many more. I think it must be great for a beginner rider to hear that there are many ways and to be able to pick what feels right. Riding a horse for the first time probably is quite the sensory overload as it is (don‘t quite remember it in detail, as I was a child when I started lessons and it‘s been a while), without having to worry to much about form. So long as whatever is being done doesn‘t hurt the horse or endanger anyone, I think it‘s all good at that stage.
@perniciouspete4986
@perniciouspete4986 Жыл бұрын
04:21 That "visceral feeling" Lindybeige is talking about is your bowels emptying.
@angustheterrible3149
@angustheterrible3149 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the incredible video, I wish I could find a riding instructor with as much historical knowledge as you!
@ModernKnight
@ModernKnight Жыл бұрын
Our pleasure!
@bewing77
@bewing77 Жыл бұрын
Lloyd is just like 90% of everyone on a horse the first time. Slouched posture, confusing the horse by giving opposing instructions at once and being far to timid. It just takes a while. Most people are quite surprised by how organic and totally unlike riding a bike or motorcycle it is. The horse is obviously a living being and all of it moves and people often feel like they’re about to fall off at any moment. The horse also isn’t controlled like a machine, it tries to understand what you’re asking it to do, but you don’t control the exact motion of every muscle of the horse. The trick is to feel comfortable and balanced in the saddle, be confident, and to understand what the horse can do on its own, and trust it to do that, while also knowing where you need to help it. It’s a beautiful thing when it all works out. And when you’ve become comfortable with the basics you will be even more amazed by the skill of people like Jason, something like jousting takes a perfect connection between horse and rider.
@SuperTossik
@SuperTossik Жыл бұрын
I find it amazing how much Jason can manvoure his horse without doing much visible things. It's almost as if he's connected to the horse and they are his own legs. (I know nothing about horses or horse riding)
@SandraOrtmann1976
@SandraOrtmann1976 Жыл бұрын
You may know nothing, but you got the most important part. That is the end goal - invisible aids for the unexperienced viewer, and perfect synchronisation between horse and rider. If you achieve that, you have achieved true centaur status.
@cindyrissal3628
@cindyrissal3628 Жыл бұрын
Weight shift & actually, the rider's focus, can guide the horse. In addition to legs & hands, of course. Think of it this way...the horse can feel a fly land on his back....it doesn't take much for a good rider to guide them. The riders in the movies that are flopping around & kicking, etc. are just Hollywood (or really inexperienced)....
@grahamhutton2756
@grahamhutton2756 Жыл бұрын
That's what we all try to do 😊
@sheblyne
@sheblyne Жыл бұрын
For us riders that's what we aim for . We never stop learning how to do it better.
@coop5329
@coop5329 Жыл бұрын
When you get your act together with a well trained intelligent horse, you stop thinking about how to signal and it is exactly like being a centaur; your horse responds just like your arm or leg. They can trust us that much.
@Mammothbronco
@Mammothbronco Жыл бұрын
I never knew how my love for learning about medieval times would uncover my love and empathy for horses. It's so inspiring to see Jason work with these horses.
@tamsinp7711
@tamsinp7711 Жыл бұрын
I seem to recall reading that the reason mares were favoured in the east is that their cavalry tradition stemmed from nomad culture - the mares were a source of milk when on campaign.
@payntpot7623
@payntpot7623 Жыл бұрын
Also the mare line holds more importance than the stallion line. Mares were held in more esteem from my understanding.
@cadethumann8605
@cadethumann8605 Жыл бұрын
Pardon my ignorance about animal biology, but wouldn't a mare need to have a foul in order to lactate? Unless if horses are mating in campaign, I don't know how a mare can produce milk.
@payntpot7623
@payntpot7623 Жыл бұрын
@@cadethumann8605 I presume the mare could be like a bovine and if you milked her without a foal around, she would continue to make milk. She would eventually dry off. Perhaps the foal is left behind on a surrogate mare? Mongolians milk mares to this day as far as I am aware, but share the milk with the foal.
@tamsinp7711
@tamsinp7711 Жыл бұрын
@@cadethumann8605 yes. Each rider would take several horses on campaign (actual number depending on duration, usually a minimum of three horses - one ridden, two remounts - up to 10 for very long campaigns) and they would have been breeding them. Most of the remounts and any foals would be in a following herd, along with stallions for breeding.
@mangalores-x_x
@mangalores-x_x Жыл бұрын
has more to do with a majority of Eastern cavalry were about hit and run tactics where you need speed and nimbleness to work. Western cavalry of the knights developed into heavy shock cavalry aka the bigger and aggressive the horse the better. In the East it was about being skilled with the bow on horseback, in the West it was the lanced shock assault. So has more to do with type of cavalry and what was more favored in a culture. Would guess that Eastern shock cavalry would also favor stallions.
@lukedogwalker
@lukedogwalker Жыл бұрын
12:39 I love the way Warlord leans forward in response to Jason shifting his weight. Look at Warlord's back legs and how he lifts onto his toes, very slightly. In martial arts we're taught to watch the shoulders, hips and feet to guess what the opponent is going to do, next. I wonder if this applies to horses in combat, as well?
@ModernKnight
@ModernKnight Жыл бұрын
It does, I usually watch the other rider's hands and feet for clues. better riders give fewer clues.
@xliquidflames
@xliquidflames Жыл бұрын
43:56 Hawkeye looks at the camera like, "Dude, I am so confused right now. My owner is out here walking around but then the guy on my back is telling me to do a barrel roll ...and I know _that_ can't be right. So, I'm doing my best, okay?" Man, I thought riding a Harley for the first time was complicated. But he's right. Once you do it for a while, you start doing things unconsciously like shifting and putting a touch of back brakes on in certain situations or a tiny bit of clutch and front brake or shifting your weight through turns, that kind of thing. After a while, the mechanics of riding becomes automatic and you can relax and enjoy the scenery and the ride. But this looks way harder than riding a motorcycle because a Harley doesn't have a brain and isn't trying to interpret your inputs.
@somni2246
@somni2246 Жыл бұрын
"Horse Sexual Chaos" will be the title of my upcoming experimental noise rock album. On a serious note, I really enjoyed this longer format video!
@angeljamais8541
@angeljamais8541 Жыл бұрын
Gentlemen, that was incredibly informative and entertaing at the same time. Thank you for your time and effort. Special thanks to the horses for their patience.
@ModernKnight
@ModernKnight Жыл бұрын
Our pleasure!
@HisameArtwork
@HisameArtwork Жыл бұрын
poor horse, he tried so politely to get rid of the noob.
@Alf763
@Alf763 Жыл бұрын
As someone who’s ridden all their life, watching someone learn for the first time is always fascinating, especially Lloyd because he’s clearly thinking about things on a very deep level
@VigelanteVictim
@VigelanteVictim Жыл бұрын
It's an interesting thing about the, ah, horse relations in the field. I never thought about that.
@katm8128
@katm8128 10 ай бұрын
Just discovered this channel recently and it’s golden. Better than any tv
@VictoriaAllred
@VictoriaAllred Жыл бұрын
I love watching Warlord just spend the whole time trying to Spanish Walk 🤣
@robingray5037
@robingray5037 Жыл бұрын
Definitely worth the wait! But I will have to rewatch again because my tiny ginger kitty, Magic, loves Jason's voice. Once she heard Jason, she hopped up beside me and pawed my phone toward her. She was mesmerized with the images. I think she also enjoyed Lindsy's voice. She gave Hawkeye a paw tap on his head a couple of times when his face was getting larger on the screen. That's cat speak for, "please keep a distance. I don't know you well". At least I got to see the last part of the trot sequence, as she had to investigate a noise coming in from the kitchen window. My compliments to all of you: the listening student, the patient teacher, and the forgiving equine.
@bcaye
@bcaye Жыл бұрын
Also cat language for "Wake up and feed me!"
@robingray5037
@robingray5037 Жыл бұрын
@@bcaye True!
@BobT36
@BobT36 Жыл бұрын
Jason does indeed have a very pleasant voice. It's nice listening to him tell us about things. Very chill. Good contrast & blend with Loyd's default very animated style.
@RocketJo86
@RocketJo86 Жыл бұрын
I would totally love Jason to be my riding teacher. He does a really great job in explaining the things to people.
@frost68nskate
@frost68nskate Жыл бұрын
Jason explaining all of the different movements to control the horse and then seeing him ride Warlord is really interesting to me. He rides and moves Warlord so smooth its like a literal second set of legs.
@BobT36
@BobT36 Жыл бұрын
Crazy isn't it! I thought that level of control only existed when using a literal controller lol, never imagined such fine-tuned & controlled movement could be done with a real animal. I always thought Cavalry would just charge past men in straight lines but there's SO much that could be done to antagonise the poor footmen, the way Loyd had to keep turning around in circles to keep track of him (and likely getting very tired and inattentive to everything else) was crazy. Cavalry can do a LOT to harass opponents even when not just charging in / out.
@DaKea90
@DaKea90 Жыл бұрын
@@BobT36 You'll never get that much control or ways of movement with a gamepad. BTW If you are interested in a more "professional" view into fighting on horse, there is a video about it on this channel, where Jason and a dutchman (I think) do essentially the same things like Jason and Lloyd did here, but both on horseback. THAT is some impressive stuff!
@TrueFictionFilm
@TrueFictionFilm Жыл бұрын
This is the best KZfaq video of all time
@NeckbeardPr1me
@NeckbeardPr1me Жыл бұрын
This makes me want to try horse riding so bad. I love the idea of tuning into the animal and them into you!
@bcaye
@bcaye Жыл бұрын
Do try it, it's fabulous. Pay close attention to what you're instructed to do, it helps if the horse learns you can be trusted.
@karlsailor
@karlsailor Жыл бұрын
Absolutely do it. You'll love it. It's also tends to go smoother when you have an instructor that's used to new students.
@alexk7973
@alexk7973 Жыл бұрын
Also, such an instructor is more likely to have a horse available for you to ride that is also used to beginner riders. The horse does most of the instruction work and needs to know how to work with newbies, or he‘ll get confused. Most of what the instructor does at this point of your riding career is essentially translating between you and the horse. And telling you what messages you‘re sending without meaning to.
@cindyrissal3628
@cindyrissal3628 Жыл бұрын
Hey, Jason...check out western reining horses. They are taught spins just precisely to keep up w/ a cow that is trying to get around the horse just like Lloyd was doing...Foot soldier behind you? Think capriole...😉
@yorkshire_tea_innit8097
@yorkshire_tea_innit8097 Жыл бұрын
I love videos with underlying narratives. Lindy's apprehension, the horse's love of Jason, the horse slowly getting more annoyed with Lindy. It's like a ballet..
@sevenproxies4255
@sevenproxies4255 Жыл бұрын
Sidenote: Warlord is absolutely stunning.
@okletmesignup
@okletmesignup Жыл бұрын
I must be a horse, because Sir Jason is a source of comfort for me as well.
@lynnegee6814
@lynnegee6814 3 ай бұрын
🙂😋
@meri_teri_82
@meri_teri_82 Жыл бұрын
Jason, Lloyd is hilarious! I loved seeing the two of you interacting. There was a lot to be learned just listening to the two of you converse. But, when Hawkeye took off at a trot and broke into a canter, when Lloyd let out that expletive, I laughed until I cried. I hope the two of you have scheduled a few more riding lessons for Lloyd. I miss seeing the credits! Did Warlord and Hawkeye miss getting top billing? Take care of yourself
@Kozu604
@Kozu604 Жыл бұрын
Amazing, there is no other place like this on youtube. I've followed Lloyd for many years before I discovered this channel so the overlap is particularly great. Horses worry me because they are so large and strong and having had nothing much to do with them I don't understand them at all. Jason seems like a great teacher though, calm and encouraging, it was really wholesome to watch and I was impressed how quickly Lindy managed to catch on, I feel I would have been more flapped.
@shock_n_Aweful
@shock_n_Aweful 10 ай бұрын
Its really useful to have a shared second language that the animals you are working with don't know so you can talk about "running" or "walking" without the animal thinking you are giving a command. My wife and I use some Spanish and archaic English words around our dogs to talk about things we don't want them to hear.
@AskLucius
@AskLucius Жыл бұрын
"Magic Roundabouts of knights" made me laugh so hard that I had to pause the video so I didn't miss anything! Now I'm picturing that roundabout made of roundabouts in Swindon, except there are lances sticking out every car window. Outstanding as always, guys! Very eager for the next one!
@YuliaHadassahK
@YuliaHadassahK 11 ай бұрын
I really enjoy these videos with Lloyd, the combined knowledge of the two of you and the slow and relaxed delivery of ideas is very entertaining. Normal TV is by far inferior, this is the real deal 🙂
@DisinformationAgent
@DisinformationAgent Жыл бұрын
The crossover everyone wanted and asked for.
@jaroslavpalecek4513
@jaroslavpalecek4513 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for next great video. Hope you all have a great day!
@lindgrenland
@lindgrenland Жыл бұрын
Dream team line up for my knightly posse: Armourer: Tod from Tod's Workshop Quartermaster: Matt Easton Master of Horse: Jason Kingsley Court dance teacher: Lindybeige
@resurgam_b7
@resurgam_b7 Жыл бұрын
19:24 Every single Praven tournament 😡 Great video though! I'm always down to watch Lloyd muddle through some new experiences :D
@act.13.41
@act.13.41 Жыл бұрын
I had said that this could be comedic gold and it did not disappoint. Well done, both of you.
@mirkfish8114
@mirkfish8114 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tutorial now i just need a horse
@colmortimer1066
@colmortimer1066 Жыл бұрын
I loved watching you teach Lloyd how to ride. It's quite interesting as someone who does not ride to see just what all it takes to learn. It always looks so easy when you do it, but it's a lot different for a new person.
@BobT36
@BobT36 Жыл бұрын
Wow, Jason in such great control of his horse. Obviously a fantastic rider, and bloody excellent horse too. I never thought in close quarters manoeuvrability a human being would have such fine control of an animal they're riding like that, as if he's using a game controller lol. Another thing that's interesting is while the horse is manoeuvring around allover the place like that, a group of blokes are having to TURN AROUND potentially facing their backs to the battle and not paying attention to what else is going on around them. Great to get Lindy's takes here as well, loved how these two were just discussing their passion and bashing out theories, like two blokes sat at a pub, but here with lances, horses and swords haha. Fantastic vid mates, keep these sorts of things coming. It's awesome when ya get together. Also WOW I never realised the Kite shield was such a good pick for mounted units. I always wondered wtfs the point of a Kite shield when you can have a good Tower shield instead (other than being lighter), but the shape fits absolutely perfectly when on a horse. Every game I played always had footmen using them.
@sevenproxies4255
@sevenproxies4255 Жыл бұрын
The kite shield looks quite perfect for a horseman. If it was just s big rectangle it would jab into the side of the horse and probably would've had to be held at an akward angle. But the slopes of the kite shield just run almost perpendicularly to the side of the horse.
@JohnDoe-go3kv
@JohnDoe-go3kv Жыл бұрын
I’ve watched you both for years, do not let this new account fool you, and I have to say that the two of you together is quite the treat. Thoroughly enjoyable watch.
@kropotkinnie
@kropotkinnie Жыл бұрын
New here, dropping in to say kudos to you keeping light hands on your horse and letting their head fall naturally rather than forcing any position. Especially with that bit's shank, that's impressive and I'm glad to see your horse has a happy mouth. I can see the love you have for your horses and your sport looks much more stimulating for them than most. Also, I love those fetlock and chin floofs not being clipped off of the first lusitano. Letting him be a normal horse brings a smile to my face.
@the_guitarcade
@the_guitarcade Жыл бұрын
I'm from Texas and basically grew up in a saddle. My dad and uncle were team ropers, my cousins steer doggers, and I participated in a few cutting horse competitions as a teenager. I would be really interested in seeing you come to the US to see how quickly you could pick up western riding and/or getting a cowboy on Warhorse or Hawkeye and seeing how long it would take you to teach them to joust.
@mgk2020
@mgk2020 Жыл бұрын
I can not believe I watched this for an hour without getting bored. You are quite good at what you do.
@lievenpetersen
@lievenpetersen Жыл бұрын
As someone who's played a bit of flight sim with ww2 planes, I believe it's more possible to get onto someone's tail because there are more degrees of movement (up and down), offering more options for creative maneuvering. Carrouseling each other in planes will also slow you down, so you can either sacrifice altitude (while you still have it) or be a sitting duck at low speed for a third plane to come in. Therefore you might try to avoid doing the carrousel for too long.
@Kyuschi
@Kyuschi Жыл бұрын
i play a few world war flight sims too, though i think it's a lot more even than you've put here. While the extra dimension up and down gives you some creative movement options, the direction of gravity is constant and can somewhat limit those, and the defending aircraft also has more options of avoiding a turnfight. Aircraft also have reasonably definite performance by model, which can be estimated, thus if the pilots know one aircraft can turn in faster and win said turnfight, thus the worse off will deny every opportunity of getting into one they can, and quickly disengage or be shot down if they are caught in one. Horses, on the other hand, you have no idea what sort of training the other rider has given their individual mount, and despite the absent verticle, i believe horse maneuvering makes up for that in the fact that horses are able to move other directions than forwards, which i would assume opens up some very interesting options
@fleetskipper1810
@fleetskipper1810 Жыл бұрын
I’ll bet that Knights in different geographical areas closely studied each other whenever they got the chance, such as when they were both at the same tournament. They quickly got an idea what kind of rider a potential opponent was. It would be like watching replays of football games and studying your opponent’s tactics. I imagine that they gossiped about each a third, too. I can imagine a knight visiting a friendly castle and engaging in this conversation: “Say, what, do you know, I was over in France last summer and saw Sir Gawain joust. He was so drunk, he couldn’t tell the front from the back of his own horse! I hear he’s always like that.“ Also, you can tell a lot in a very short amount of time about how a horse is responding to its rider, if you know what to look for. I’m sure that knights constantly assessed each other’s movements and what was going on and where they might be weak in terms of communicating with their horses.
@bonnieweeks7601
@bonnieweeks7601 Жыл бұрын
My dad flew B24 bombers in WW2 as the captain. Apparently they were very difficult to fly. I was always interested in horses rather than planes, so didn't speak too much to him about them. He retired from Eastern Airlines after 50 yrs, and unfortunately passed many years ago.
@lucasengland3581
@lucasengland3581 Жыл бұрын
the level of horsemanship on display here is truly impressive
@roballister5269
@roballister5269 Жыл бұрын
omg Jason's got legit the starting tier Vlandia Bannerlord armor LOL
@ModernKnight
@ModernKnight Жыл бұрын
lol, or was it the other way around?
@nancytestani1470
@nancytestani1470 13 күн бұрын
Horses are just the most wonderful beautiful animal.
@pkassad
@pkassad Жыл бұрын
Only a quarter of the way in, however what Jason and Lloyd are talking about with how the footman can easily get around the mounted person kinda drives home to me that the optimal use of calvary would be like how some fighter planes 'boom and zoom'. Come in at speed, hit hard in a single pass, and continue on to reset for another pass at speed.
@Meevious
@Meevious Жыл бұрын
Imo, avoiding the "roundabout" situation is about subtle control of the pace of the horse. By very slightly raising and lowering speed, one can obtain an ever changing ovoid orbit and gradually inch toward a better angle. An opponent with good reflexes may be able to respond to actions if they're overt, but it's hard to react to or even detect very slight changes in pace until it's too late and one has effectively lost ground. The same sort of principal applies to hitting someone with a lance in single combat - you want to dip exactly into range for a tiny fraction of a second and you want the opponent to misjudge the timing of that fraction of a second, so it's critical to subtly vary the pace of the horse in the final moments, lulling the opponent into mistakenly thinking they know when you'll hit, with no obvious sign that the timing has in fact changed. Most foes will brace for impact and focus on the moment that they expect to be decisive, rather than taking this critical initiative to control said timing for themselves, or paying close attention to the potential for deception from their opponent. There, now you too can be an unstoppable force in Mount and Blade! I do feel a slight twinge of guilt that this info may fall into the wrong hands. X) A fighter plane has many more options for breaking a "roundabout", because it doesn't have to have its underside always facing the earth, as a horse does (though idk, maybe a horse could be trained to do a combat roll, while the rider athletically climbs over its tum... I wonder if there are any Comanche knights in the modern tournament scene), but I've always had a lot of success in combat flight simulators with basically just treating them as horses and doing the same tricks with subtle manipulation of speed (and thus turning circle), though it certainly is also useful to combine it with veering into planes other than the horizontal (just don't veer into the wrong kind of plane without a ram on your nose* or you'll be ex-planing it with a parachute**). On the other hand, while they can't generally roll, pitch or elevate, horses can stop, reverse and strafe, which could potentially be useful for breaking a loop. When the speed is low enough, a sudden stop into a 3-point turn could allow a rider to slip into exactly the desired position, as long as they can stay out of range while they reverse, passing (on the inside) the opponent who's either still moving forward or trying to stop or reverse, but with a delayed acceleration. * Ramjets were pretty thin on the ground and even thinner at loftier altitudes in WW2, so in that context, this manouevre would not have had desirable ramifications. ** Or unable to rip the cord, due to a preemptive R.I.P. of one's person.
@lauragovernali4332
@lauragovernali4332 Жыл бұрын
I believe that a horse and a loving, devoted rider become of one mind and one heart. Here’s a winning example ❤
@JesseP.Watson
@JesseP.Watson Жыл бұрын
The image of Lloyd sat on that dummy horse at 16:00 is damnably comical... particularly with a broom-handle... "The Ill Made Knight"
@Reverenz88-14
@Reverenz88-14 Жыл бұрын
Literally my feelings when I learned horseriding - "YAY! OH SHIT!"
@samprastherabbit
@samprastherabbit Жыл бұрын
What a treat that video was! Fair play to Lloyd for being such a willing student- he made it look a lot easier than it probably is. I've never ridden a horse in my life, but maybe some day I'll get Jason to show me on Hawkeye lol Great work, as always!
@CarlosJoachim
@CarlosJoachim Жыл бұрын
Like Lloyd was saying at the end, I can confirm as both a dancer and rider that the way of leading is very very similar
@mementomori771
@mementomori771 7 ай бұрын
You never really think of how many ways you control a horse until your explaining it to a beginner really well done
@moonasha
@moonasha Жыл бұрын
this is a great video, because not only is jason teaching lloyd, he's teaching us. The kite shield stuff was especially interesting, and makes perfect sense. I had no idea how horses are controlled so seeing a beginner learning was especially edifying
@payntpot7623
@payntpot7623 Жыл бұрын
Ha, talk about a grass belly on Hawkeye; he looks like he is going to pop a foal out the next day!! What a dear old boy. Reminds me of an ex drovers pony we had when I was a child. He used to follow the person on the ground with beginners on his back all day, just as he followed sheep., but put a real rider on his back, and he was a great stock pony. He could turn on a sixpence. I bet Hawkeye wakes up with a real rider too. I am blown away that Warlord is a Lusitano. I had no idea. I always imagined the old boy as a cross bred, perhaps with a touch of Irish Draft. His longish back and upside down neck belie his Portuguese ancestry. Whatever breed and conformation,, he has more than earned his place in your stable over the years. I really enjoyed seeing this. Thanks for sharing, both of you.
@Ranger_Kevin
@Ranger_Kevin Жыл бұрын
Now that Lloyd has his set of armour (mostly) sorted out, it would be interesting to see you both do some more studies armoured up. Like knight on foot vs. knight on horse or kights on foo vs each other.
@Richard0292
@Richard0292 Жыл бұрын
This was one of the best things I've watched in a long time. I hope you two are able to collaborate again.
@ModernKnight
@ModernKnight Жыл бұрын
Thanks, and yes, when we get time we'll do another.
@willek1335
@willek1335 Жыл бұрын
That was fun. I have a lot of sympathy for Lloyd and his concerns for his maledom. It's nice knowing I'm not alone. I've ony trotted a couple of times, as part of a group where I had little agency, and it scared me from repeating it. The pain riding for me was comparable to that time I skydived. I pulled my chute and one of the loadbearing straps, taking the full weight of my decelerating body, accidentally included a male body part that have no business being pressed. I weigh 70 kg and it's about 4g on those two straps, so you can imagine no amount of adrenaline could ever mitigate the suffering. My hat goes off for the brave male riders who does so with ease, and especially Lloyd who faces his fears.
@paulinemegson8519
@paulinemegson8519 Жыл бұрын
And yet it was the women who were expected to ride sidesaddle*shrugs* I should add, not in this period as women rarely rode at all, but as soon as they did, “society” deemed astride to be improper.(anyone would think they were just trying to make things more difficult for them)
@ragnkja
@ragnkja Жыл бұрын
@@paulinemegson8519 In slightly later periods (especially before the invention of the two-pommeled side-saddle), women’s riding habits were quite visually distinct from other feminine clothes, as they tended to be closed with buttons-otherwise only seen, especially in such numbers, on masculine clothes-rather than lacing and/or pins. This meant that women’s riding habits were far less adjustable than their other clothes, which were adjustable enough that there was no need for separate maternity clothes. And as you might have guessed, riding (especially for sport) while pregnant was very much _not_ seen as safe.
@jacquelinesherlock2274
@jacquelinesherlock2274 Жыл бұрын
I would love to have a riding lesson with you as the instructor Jason. I haven't ridden for a few years but my mare (Cedar) and I used to have some wonderful adventures together. I miss riding so much! I also love your channel, and am in love with history 🙂
@BlackMasterRoshi
@BlackMasterRoshi Жыл бұрын
experimental living history is such a treat. also the talk about changing directions of the turn in a duel reminds me of fighter pilots turning out of a two circle into a one circle fight. changing turn direction at the wrong time could prove deadly to the pursued. edit: oh lloyd got that one lol. it sounds like jason is explaining that warlord's controller sensitivity is set very high.
@theogoltzman5372
@theogoltzman5372 Жыл бұрын
High sensitivity and high specificity combined on Warlord, most likely. That canter Lindy started was probably because one leg (more probably the inside one) ended up about 3 inches too far back, and Hawkeye got an asymmetrical signal. It turns out that's how you do a walk to canter transition, with the leg further back indicating which side the horse should lead with (it's a balance and style thing, in a ring you normally always lead on the inside). The other thing is some experienced horses just don't tolerate inexperienced riders. They just freeze up or ignore imperfect signals because they are unused to them. I'd be surprised if Warlord was that type, but it does happen.
@michaelpitt783
@michaelpitt783 Жыл бұрын
I love warlord's fancy walk "I'm bored of this, dancing time"
@SierraNovemberKilo
@SierraNovemberKilo Жыл бұрын
Well done for being brave enough to try this straight to film. Lloyd claims not to have been frightened but I can clearly see the stiff upper lip grimacing, the shoulders folding and the left hand wanting to grasp something solid. Hawkeye is being very generous putting up with a novice. I'd imagine a less patient horse showing its displeasure long before the canter incident. Good job, the three of you.
@minerwaweasley1008
@minerwaweasley1008 Жыл бұрын
Cool!. I remembered my own riding lessons :) I was much smaller than Lloyd, but the horse seemed soooo huge to me!
@dcarbs2979
@dcarbs2979 Жыл бұрын
Lloyd did really well. I'd forgotten my initial learning process. I barely got out of 'walk', concentrating on controlling the horse to specific points in the circle and criss-crossing. Certainly not using weapons and cantering on lesson one! Once you're well versed at trot, going up to canter in control is a real joy.
@vivianevans8323
@vivianevans8323 Жыл бұрын
Aww - we got to see another of Sir Kinght's horses - what a good boy Hawkeye is! Fabulous video - marked for re-watching already. I wish mt riding teacher had explained things as detailed and patiently as Jason did, especially the trot. For us, it was: cross stirrups in front of the saddle, legs long, off you trot ! And then the fun began, the teacher shouting: don''t cling to the saddle! Shoulders back! Heels down! We don't wan't to see daylight between knees and horse! Where are your hands? And all accompanied by nice loud snaps from her big whip ... Made us jump, not the horses, they were used to it and knew we were all hopeless, inadequate beginners who knew eff all. The more clever horses 'rewarded' us with a twist and shrug to land in the floor, looking back at us from their great height ... Did I say what outstanding video this was, well worth the wait? Well, I'll say it herewith ...
@michielvoetberg4634
@michielvoetberg4634 Жыл бұрын
Honestly this was great. Explaining the communication with the horse and what signals do what is interesting to me. I have never sat on a horse but Jason explains it so well. I hope there is more coming
@wanato614
@wanato614 Жыл бұрын
see jason and smaaaaaaaaash the like buttom. his dress looking dope tonight !
@Saerise
@Saerise Жыл бұрын
Me to my Racking Horse mare: Let’s go learn jousting! He gets bonus points for staying on for his first and very accidental canter. 🤣🥃
@Moewenfels
@Moewenfels Жыл бұрын
It is so wonderful seeing Lloyd learn and ride Hawkeye ^.^
@jennlee7929
@jennlee7929 Жыл бұрын
Let us not forget also that the warhorses back then were trained to defend themselves and their riders with their hoofs if needed. Well done (to your friend) for a beginners lesson on riding. Balance is key in riding and controlling the horse, as my mother says when teaching all her students.
@fleetskipper1810
@fleetskipper1810 Жыл бұрын
LOVE the apt comparison of riding a horse with doing the Lindy Hop. That’s exactly right. This is my favorite episode ever. It really makes you think how much knights had to train in order to do battle with foot men. Then, factor in the crowded conditions and chaotic nature of battle, horses and men wheeling and milling and changing position every instant, not to mention disability and weather conditions, and you develop a real respect for those who had to engage in this kind of battle. Question: I’d like to know more about the kinds of armor that horses typically wore to deflect at least some of the blows aimed at them. Crippling a horse would be terribly easy if the horse did not have some kind of armor. I’m sure a lot of horses were crippled and killed during battle, but the riders would have a lot of incentive to try to protect them, at least in part.
@snakebae6259
@snakebae6259 7 ай бұрын
"if you pull and squeeze your legs its the command to go backwards" that is literally the most amazing thing ever, how do they even teach that to an animal? thats such a complicated signal yet it undestands. so amazing.
@AdDewaard-hu3xk
@AdDewaard-hu3xk 4 ай бұрын
Silver Snaffles, by Primrose Cumming.
@chrispe82
@chrispe82 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Beelzebub was the perfect schoolmaster, being ever so gentle to novice Lloyd. It’s been such a long time since I’ve watch a video with a beginner lesson in it, you are a fantastic teacher Jason. The horse I learned to ride on was really gentle with beginners & excellent for experienced riders, but once you knew were intermediate she would play tricks on you & muck around until you could read her body language enough to see it coming! How old is Beelzebub the Destroyer? He is in excellent condition, whatever his age.
@kuna129
@kuna129 Жыл бұрын
:) So calming to see a teaching sequence - someone tries to teach you and happy you progress, instead of just showing of how great they are in comparison with you.
@susanwoodcarver
@susanwoodcarver Жыл бұрын
Oh, I wanted so much more time watching a trot and then watching a canter. This was wonderful. It allowed me to understand the unique relationship between a horse at it’s rider. Yes, it is a dance! I had no idea, and enjoyed this immensely. Have followed your videos for a long time. Have to ask about the mule with no name. Have you ever named him? And would you please do a video with him. All of us who follow you have missed both him and you. Thank you so much for this. You’ve really made our day.
@fleetskipper1810
@fleetskipper1810 Жыл бұрын
Yes, please, how is the mule with no name doing?
@nitt3rz
@nitt3rz Жыл бұрын
Jason & Lloyd make a brilliant pairing; can we have more of this type of video.
@hecticscone
@hecticscone Жыл бұрын
15:44 Good question! The closest you could probably get historically is the tincture "carnation" used by the French to denote the colour of white human skin. In the modern day there is a tincture that is closer in colour to beige called "buff" only officially recognized by the United States Army Institute of Heraldry and the Canadian Heraldic Authority. It's typically used as a metal as opposed to a colour, so it would be treated the same as silver and gold (white and yellow) when it comes to the rule of tincture.
@knutzzl
@knutzzl Жыл бұрын
Lol. And yes Lloyd horse's Are BIG. Im in a reenactment group called: the order of the gilded apple, and one of the trials to join is standing in armour without flinching, and having an apple knocked off of your head by a knight on horseback at a gallop... If you're wondering: yes we are crazy and no, no one got injured (seriously)
@themysteriousstranger4580
@themysteriousstranger4580 Жыл бұрын
The whole “which side of the horse do you orient your lance towards in war” gave me major mount and blade flashbacks
@samualstanley8671
@samualstanley8671 Жыл бұрын
Love this content..especially when when it's Renaissance festival time here in texas(Texas Renaissance festival)..I LIVE FOR THIS STUFF YA'LL.......HUZZAH..MY FRIENDS AND BROTHERS IN ARMS
@ellenjampole1905
@ellenjampole1905 Жыл бұрын
Love the Ren Fair in TX. Went every year we lived in Louisiana.
@ChevalierdeJohnstone
@ChevalierdeJohnstone Жыл бұрын
This collab is a gift from God
@davidcox81
@davidcox81 Жыл бұрын
I'd pay for a lesson with Jason. I miss Modern History coming out weekly but I'm always happy when a new episode comes out and love when anything jousting comes out.
@LynneFarr
@LynneFarr Жыл бұрын
Fantastic! What a great lesson in human/horse communication. As Jason has told us before, it's a feedback loop. Being a female who rode Western Style, I've always wondered about "gentleman parts" in English or Spanish saddles. Much information and lots of fun. Cudos to Jason and Lindy.
@joshme3659
@joshme3659 Жыл бұрын
Its fine unless the horse stops suddenly
@LynneFarr
@LynneFarr Жыл бұрын
@@joshme3659 Ouch!
@HankMeyer
@HankMeyer Жыл бұрын
This is my favorite detective channel. It's very similar to how I'd imagine homicide detectives try to reconstruct the scene of a crime.
@Samhwain
@Samhwain Жыл бұрын
I absolutely LOVE how the three of you handled the beginner lesson here! Absolutely giggled seeing Hawkeye transition from "What is happening" to "Oh, I get it. He's new." as Lloyd walked him around, then his going "Ah, mounting block. Here we are."
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