1:48 Holy crap, she whiffed an entire crMP AFTER Ryu jumped, and still had time to anti-air with crHP. That's nuts.

Always loved Rose. Didn't even know she was this broken. Just loved her reflect scarf and air throw anti air.

Chun-li: I'm the strongest woman in the world Rose: that's cute

"Getting someone to the corner is hard in any game. " Dragon Ball Fighterz: Oh..... Is it?

Rose is so OP that in the snes version she could even stop time altogether

i love her concept of "ultimate counterpart to the ultimate evil"

I don't even play fighting games but for some reason I really enjoy videos talking about them and it doesn't matter to me I don't understand half of the things. What a strange thing I didn't expect.

That Sirlin article wasn't exaggerating about Alpha2 Rose's "Crouching Strong".

‘Wanna play Alpha 2.” “Sure; but no Rose.” “Ok, let’s play KOF instead.

Alpha Counter are one of my favorite mechanics .

1:42 Man it's a good thing Capcom learned their lesson and went out of the way to make sure characters wouldn't have such mindless crMP in future titles, right 3S Ken?

Gosh, it feels strangely fitting for Rose as a fortune teller that you're biggest defense against her at top level play is to give her as little patterns to read from as possible.

Very interesting! My only experience with Rose was Street Fighter 4, in which she had basically *none* of these tools, so I was really wondering what was so great about a character that from my perspective really only had a fireball, a DP, a reflect and an advancing attack. I'm hoping they do her like they did poison in SF5, a full overhaul of her kit with a clear direction. Maybe bring back some of that alpha 2 magic.

Rose is making a grand return in SFV

I remembered only picking Rose because of her aesthetics. She's gorgeous and such an icon. 😂😂

THIS MAN PUT MONOLORD AS BACKGROUND MUSIC, CATCH THIS SUB

I always liked her design aesthetic but I never really wrapped my head around her play style

Its amazing how almost every fighting game trope comes from Street Fighter, they really pioneered this genre.

I have never, ever, ever, seen an in depth explanation of this! Please do make more.

this definition of polarizing is EXACTLY why Bayonetta was such a problem in Smash 4 apart from her infamous guaranteed death combos out of anything, two unique mechanics of hers that really stand out are Witch Time and Bat Within. For those not familiar with Smash 4, Witch Time is a counter special move that slows down time if you hit it, granting her a huge punish and a combo starter out of anything, even safe moves like jabs or spaced aerials; and Bat Within is a unique property given to her air dodges, rolls, and spotdodges/sidesteps where she got extra defensive frames out of them but these frames would trigger "Bat Within", which teleported her into a direction in exchange for a bit of the attack's damage. These tools, in the context of Smash 4's meta, worked together in nasty fashion to shut down the game's offense - Bat Within's extra frames and special mechanic allowed her to escape the game's highly frametrap-centric offense, and Witch Time was always there to punish you for trying to continue combos or pressure beyond what was 100% guaranteed, no matter how risk-free it would be against any other character (and "true" combos were somewhat rare and limited in Smash 4). If you were lucky, your character could navigate around Bat Within with anti-Bayo frame traps that could catch Bat Within; if you weren't, it's likely that your character got squat and just had to deal with immensely diminished pressure. And don't even think about going for reads to circumvent that - when I said Witch Time could net her huge punishes, I wasn't kidding, she can reliably kill you from almost any percentage out of that (including zero). At the time, everyone (especially Bayo mains) loved to say that Bayonetta had "bad neutral" - and while it's true that her neutral and footsies tools were slightly below average, especially compared to the top tiers, it missed the point that her >entire moveset< heavily skewed neutral in her favor. Whenever she could open you up, you might just lose a stock, and whenever you open her up, YOU might just lose a stock too, unless you cut your combos dramatically short and sacrifice damage and stage positioning in exchange for not having to deal with Witch Time. Her extremely polarizing advantage and disadvantage states alike bled even into how neutral played out since she could take a lot more risks and it really compensated for her "bad tools", and that's something people even today will fail to recognize.

Your reasoning at the end made me think of Yoshimitsu in Tekken. He's the only character with a 6 frame move in his Flash, so you have to be really careful cuz he can interrupt or punish things you'd normally just throw out. His flash is launch punishable however, so it creates this really lovely dynamic of anticipating it. I love facing Yoshis because of it

"You keep using that word, but i don't think it means what you think it means."

As a beginner in alpha 2 I slowly realized that m dp is great against that ac. Trying to bait it out is a different story. Rose is top tier but bearable. Hard to fight at top level play.

Beautifully articulated and defined!!! Love the channel and I can't wait to dive into more of your content!!!

This is exactly what happens when you design a character after someone in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. They're naturally unfair. That and the Cult Jam.

So when Rose comes into SFV, I wonder will this be her V-reversal.

VERY good video, I'll definitely use it for reference when talking about character match ups.

I love this kind of fighting game analysis video. Rose is my favorite SF character, and while she was deadly in USF4, she was an absolute MONSTER in SFA2. I remember how effective (and damaging) Soul Illusion>cr. fierce used to be as an anti-air. Her Soul Illusion, combined with her punch alpha counter, almost made her feel like a character more for suited for Darkstalkers.

Wow, loved this deep analysis! Always knew she was broken but didn’t realize to what degree.

any Guy fans? I loved the Alpha series for many reasons, Guy was one. I wish they wouldve put him in SF5 somehow. :(

e. honda has a glitch in super turbo where he can dial in his commandgrab, so it just comes out whenever he’s next within range. turning this into a stance, an “automatic-grab stance character”, might be a cool new archtype

your videos are so good, man

Nobody hates her tho.

I had no idea LisaLisa was a playable character in Street Fighter.

Fighting game analysis and doom metal at the same time is peak entertainment.

Given who she is, I'd be up for seeing her given the full boss treatment. To be brought back up to this level of danger, without the glitch abuse part. Shin Rose... Although such a character would probably make more sense appearing in a game with a timeline set before the earliest one so far. Always been a fan of Rose and wish they did more with her.

Yo that lead up to baiken made me go "oh I'm gonna drop a comment about baiken" and then you bring her up amazing video man

This channel is SOOOOOO UMDERRATED!!!!

Wow, one of the best in-depth analysis of A2 Rose I've ever read/watched... since ever. I say it's the meter gain that also makes her polarizing. 2 fireball absorbs = 1 meter; Punch AC only costing about 2/3 of 1 level (since you gain a good deal back after AC combo).

Came for the knowledge, stayed for the Monolord

Was playing this on my tv, had to pull up on phone to ask if that was Empress Rising. Monolord rules!

Love the fighting game tech, great content. Also shout-out to repping Monolord 🤘

Love that sludgy and doomy riff in the back! Hell yeah for fighting games and heavy tunes.

I just found your channel oh man I'm hooked. Keep up the great videos.

Didn't know this. I was a child back when this game came out.

Street Fighter alpha 2+3's Rose is her strongest setup but when Street Fighter 4, they nerfed her and lowered her on the tier list. I showed my cousin a video comparison of how different she played between the games and he was shocked at how much they changed.

The way you play against rose is really similar how you play against GGAC+R Baiken, with keeping mind it's a reverse quarter circle back input and everything, but doesn't require meter. In GGXrd, Baiken's Azami is WAAAYY less busted and way more committal, making her still frustrating to play against but no longer completely nullifies moves or characters.

your background music is insane

i love roses theme in alpha 2

Me who played regular footsies vs a zangief who clearly didn't realise just how scary he is

"Why Rose is a Polarising Character" ..Okay, this video is off to a great start.

I really hope there is someone at Capcom thinking the same way as you right now.

this was hella informative, ty.

Song choice is immaculate 👌

This song has never used Light Or Medium buttons ever. Great content!

just want to say I really dig the doom-stoner background metal

I just noticed he was playing empress rising by. Monolord. I fucking worship that song.

I main Ken in Alpha 2 and this video makes me want to learn Rose as a pocket

wasnt expecting monolord to be playing in a video game video

My favorite sfa, sfa2, sfa2g, sfa3, sf4 character. Cant wait for her to be in sf5

These polarizing parts of Rose feel in-character to her origin, being based on Lisa Lisa of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Part 2 Battle Tendency

Me, a simple third strike Ryu player: *what*

Hmmmm I'm predicting your channel to be at 50k in a few months big dog.

Mono lord! You know good shit dude

20 years on still surprised by the depth of play in these older fighters.

Rose is voiced in the game by Ai Orikasa, who is Ryouko in Tenchi Muyo and Quatre in Gundam Wing. My favorite voice actress

Doom Metal in the background, very nice.

Thank you for using scan lines. Those era games looks so much better with them . In fact natural CRT scan lives were taken into consideration in the design. I hate how it became typical to not use the feature.

(subtitles on) Today I learned that Rose has amazing aunties 😋

I have been waiting for her SFV release.

I love Rose so much I use Fang in SF5 because his cr.HP is pretty much the same. So happy to have her back in 2021. Hope they don't tone her down too much!

Came for the fight game breakdown, subbed for the crushing doom

completely agree with your conclusion: every fighting should have a character that forces you to slow down and think about how you're going to attack

Me: “Uhhh, I have no idea what any of this mea-WAIT IS THAT MONOLORD??”

fuck yeah Monolord, one of the last bands I saw before lockdown

Alpha 2 Rose will always be one of my favorite fighting game characters. She was probably the first top tier character I used in a fighting game and actually liked it. She just has everything. Can't wait for SFV Rose. Falke has been fun to itch that poke into fireball gameplay a bit, but Rose always been the original.

just an awesome video

super neat video

If you want characters with polarizing defensive options look no further than Soulcalibur 6, that game has so many strong defensive options and even entire character designs based around the idea of the "reverse mix up" where your own offense will be the thing that kills you if you aren't careful.

Killer soundtrack on this video

I mean polarizing literally just means strongdiffering opinions about a subject. Now the reason a character is polarizing could be because they are unique but having unique mechanics does not in itself mean the character is polarizing.

These "Knowledge check " character are be becoming rare in fighters since rush down is prefer. Jiren:DBFZ Aoi: Virtual Fighter Lei -Fang: DOA

This just sounds cool to me, like a fun challenge.

I'd love to see a full video on Baiken (in the games where she could alpha counter). She never felt top-tier but was interesting to fight against!

6:27 "As people attempt to.......(what? Via cc you?)"

extremely well explained.

I love all this fighting game lingo😍🥰❤ it's just as hot as hearing a gear head speaking car talk....

music is dope af

Doesn't rose look like Lisa Lisa from battle tendancy?

I WAS sf a2 master and i loved rose, SFA2 is such a good game

Some where Gootecks is smiling

monolord. thank you

Bro, I play third strike like a religion, and this type of broke details piss me off, nice info, and STONER METAL SONG!!! BRUTAL!! CHEERS!! THX 4 the info!

Alpha 2 is still, to this day the best Street Fighter game ever made: the game mechanics were unrivalled, each character's storyline's were interesting and fleshed, the opening, the artwork, the graphics, the characters, everything about it was perfection.

i loved the character..never played to this kind of level hahah

The closest example of a character of such an archetype from SFV I can think of is Kolin. She has multiple unique defensive options (the parry, V-Skill counter) that force really button happy characters (like M.Bison, Dhalsim) to approach her differently.

That Gief looks just like how I play lol

I watched this video even though I have never or will play Alpha 2.

i dont play fighting games but SFA pixel art is just mesmerizing

This reminds me of Melee's most polarising character: Puff. Her defensive options are some of the best, being able to stall in the air essentially as long as she wants. She's super light, so regular combos typically stop working way earlier than they normally would. Rest is basically an instant KO if she reads you with it or manages to hit it in the middle of your own combo, and her up throw combos into it at the beginning of the match