Same.

Yet mario has "stupid friends" but they are surprisingly not hated.

@@sonicmanic2556 Exactly!!! 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

Classic Fanboys tend to be the bane of varity in Sonic Games.

Don't forget people outside the shitty critics also ruined the characters during when we didn't get to play as them ever again.

LOL big brain time

"So who was the flying character for Team Rose?" "It was Omochao, right?" "Seems fine to me" "And Vector hangs out with Blaze and Silver, right?" "Not like we got anyone better to go with them" "Not even that little rabbit?" "Shhhhhh, she doesn't exist any more."

@@catcocomics1601 The weirdest thing about this is that they gave us teams in Sonic heroes and then have done everything they can to not bring certain teams back together. The only teams that have stayed the same are team sonic and team dark 😅 Actually no, the weirdest thing is that as much as I love Big coming back they still didn’t think Cream should too and she used to be one of the main characters 😅

​@@ROT695 understand the current Sonic Team writers care nothing for the actual Sonic franchise and are only really good at writing smooth brain saturday morning cartoons. I'm honestly willing to bet the reason Cream just doesn't exist anymore is there are just no cringe memes about her. There is no "OH NO" or "Ow the Edge" for her, she's just a good kid who looks up to everyone and there for she "isn't funny".

@@catcocomics1601 Probably yeah. I always liked what she brought to the group though. Whenever she was around she’d bring out a different side to everyone that you wouldn’t usually see. Sonic would show a more calm and caring side whilst Amy actually had someone to talk normally with. In a way she kind of grounded them a little. I guess I have a strong opinion on her not being around because I got into Sonic when she was part of the group. Advance 3 was the game I would play all the time and also used to watch Sonic X 😅

There's nothing wrong with Tails being scared. After all he was scared before setting off to stop Eggman in SA1, but despite his fear, he dug deep to find hope and courage and put them into practice to save the day. Now if they just had happen in Forces rather than having stuck trying to put over a bad tribute act masquerading as Sonic. Seriously, we could have easily dropped Classic and nothing would have been lost, what with Sonic and the OC having 2D sections of their own. And with having Tails actually playable could have allowed a chance for the story to be expanded upon. Though I also kinda feel like the OC is just as guilty for stealing Tails' spotlight as well, because when Sonic was being sucked into Null Space, if it was anything before 2010, Tails would have totally leapt into action to help Sonic, but sorry kid, you're not playable so that's the OC's job. I hate that thing just as much as I hate Classic in Forces, because if they weren't there we could have gotten the other characters playable again and it's been over 10 years now since that happened in a mainline 3D title!

Also for Tails in Forces I have my own thing which basically during the fight against Infinite rather rather than having his tablet thing he'd be racing to met Sonic with the Chaos Emeralds. To help turn the tide in the war against Eggman. But by the time he gets there he finds Sonic fighting Infinite and its not going well. Filled with a surge of emotion, seeing Sonic in such a bad way, Tails lets out a scream and goes Super (god, could this be anymore Dragonball like?). He puts up a good fight against Infinite but it's not enough as he burns himself out unable to beat him. Sonic would have gotten enough time to catch his breath to save Tails before Knuckles swings by to get the fox cub out of there on Sonic's instructions. Word later reaches the resistance that Sonic dead and Tails loses it. He runs away and spends the next six months wallowing in despair until one day while looking for a place to hide during a thunderstorm he finds himself in his old workshop, and inside it the original Tornado, Sonic's plane. Despite being depressed for the past six months, the sight of the bi-plane puts a spark back in Tails' eyes as he tries to get the plane back in the air, but due to his mental state not being the greatest he can't do it. He looks at the set of keys Sonic gave him for the plane and after remembering what happened to Sonic he breaks down into tears feeling guilty that he couldn't save him. Chaos then appears which scares the young fox cub, much like in Forces, and when he attacks Tails the fox cub makes no real effort to defend himself because his confidence has been shattered and he feels he can't fight anymore. After being smacked about by Chaos for abit, he sees him turn his attention to the Tornado and begin attacking it. Tails' eyes widen in horror not wanting to see the plane, his only connection he has left to Sonic be destroyed, and that forces him to get back to his feet and fight. After driving Chaos away he feels a weight's been lift and manages to get the Tornado running again so he can get back home to the resistance base and help the others. The ofcourse word would get that Sonic is alive and Tails go storm the prison to save him, after doing a few other missions while building his confidence back up. Also as well in the time leading up to that, with fighting the war against Eggman, in Forces, it wouldn't have been going so well and through running and hiding for a while it'd start to take it's toll on Tails' metal state. Hence why he's freezing up while facing regular Egg Pawns he would have smashed no problem, without breaking a sweat. But after Infinite "kills" Sonic, it proves to be the straw that broke the camel's back, hence why he's not as vengeful as he was in SA2, after seeing Eggman "kill" Sonic, by ejecting him out into space in that pod. I really hope he gets a chance to shine again and remind everyone he's the little fox who could. Rather than being reduced to enhancement talent to make Classic (Sonic) look strong again, or any other character they try to bring in and will probably never be seen again, like the OC of Forces.

@@DemonDethchase I agree. Tails being scared or worried is no problem. HES A KID! i dont want tails to be a badass. But after Sa1 and 2 tails should have atleast fought chao off. he did in SA1. Tails had the best devolopment besides shadow in the whole francise, but sega threw it all away. If tails doesnt make a comback in the next future game then Tails will dig a hole too deep for him to get out of. I miss the old tails!

@@awesomezebroz_2949 as I said, I blame the OC and Classic, as Sega must have been. "Sorry kid, but we can't have you (Tails) fight like you used to. Just look cute and helpless, so make Classic and the OC can look good." I feel Tails in Forces is like how WWE treat alot of their talent these days. Classic (Sonic) the returning Legend brought in for a one off match, to try and drum up interest in the event. Where they're made to look strong, and to be put over Wrestlemania, never to be seen again - until next year - at the expense of someone (Tails) who is there day in and day out, regardless of the damage it could do to their character. And the Player Avatar is the Celebrity brought in for a one off match, to try and drum up interest in the event. Where they're made to look strong, and to be put over Wrestlemania, never to be seen again at the expense of someone (Tails) who is there day in and day out regardless of the damage it could do to their character. Tails isn't some enhancement talent to put over other characters! He's the little fox who could! At least that Sonic And Tails R is giving him a better showing.

@@DemonDethchase yeah it's freaking sad and it's very weird because Tails is part of the main cast but now he just feels like a secondary character just like Knuckles Amy Shadow and Metal Sonic and it also feels like they just mainly focus on Sonic and Eggman and those two aren't even done right most of the time Sega is doing the Sonic franchise bad right now despite it being the same franchise that's keeping Sega alive

also sonic x

@@kwamedamuah1838 Knuckles is ok in Sonic X. Maybe in the Adventure arc and season one because in Metarex arc he's annoying.

@@elmemearana is Japanese Sonic X a joke to you?

@@ChuckE.CheesesIllinois in both versions he's still a hothead and a bit douchebag, so...

now with sonic movie 2, knuckles is becoming badass again

I thought seeing GUN in 06 was really cool

what about unleashed?

@@iimaa Doesn't feel like the world in that game matches up with the one of the prior games. Kinda seems like they scrapped what they had and started over from that game on.

Unleashed didn't take in consideration the former lore as fancy as that game was

Or they just don't care anymore.

True.

Yeah, like theyvhate each other, but they work together well. And i love their banter! Especially in adventure 2 when knuckles saves rouge.

@@thedman1754 it's a complicated relationship they have to say the least.

@@dougwalker8068 Yeah, i guess you could say that. I cant beleive you understand their dynamic better than sega themselves.

Sonic X did this relationship very well

when he started saying "SONIC! HELP ME!" i felt my heart crack...

@@kaexewires7531 i was hurting when he said that. Not because he was scared, but because all of the devolopment he had made had been gone.

@@kaexewires7531 It doesn't make sense for him to call out to Sonic when he knew he was "dead," other than a means of setting up the soulless imposter, the marketing gimmick, the bad tribute act to what Sonic used to be like and not only did it make Tails look bad, it also made Chaos look weak too, what with being taken out in one hit - I'll say it again ONE HIT - right away two established characters have to be nerfed so Classic can look good... god I hope he never comes back to rub shoulders with Sonic again as he should stay in his lane!

It was since Unleashed, in the end of the idw' metal virus arc and no one gives a shit, only about Forces.

I know right. So annoying and painful to see him being portrayed like that. Unlike the old games.

I'm pretty sure all of these characters mentioned in this video are friends of Sonic

Honestly I agree with you here. I feel like there are so many characters now you could actually have it so certain groups have their own games. Team Sonic plus Amy, Team Dark, Team Chaotix and then a series using Silver, Blaze, Cream and Cheese. Maybe bring back old characters to live in Silvers timeline 🤔

I mean Sonic does have a lot of friends from close ones like Tails, Knuckles, and Amy to other ones who are not as close but still friends like Blaze, Silver, and the Chaotix

@@justyouraveragegamer4033 That is correct

@@tommyhamlin4611 so I get why people like to consider everybody to be Sonic's friend

I agree with everything that you are saying but how is the bond stronger than Team Sonic’s? They always were equal to me and others.

@@andreasmeelie1889 Think about it, if we exclude Sonic heroes, have you ever seen tails interact with Knuckles and viceversa?, they only do that in Sonic heroes and even then i think they only do it once, while Team Dark always talks to eachother in most games where they are all present, i still think Team Sonic's as a really good bond like the chaotix, but team Dark will always be my favorite,

Team Dark has huge found family energy and Rouge cares about Shadow and Omega alot!

BuT tHeY aReN’t FrIeNdS!!!

@@Puyopuyotsu SEGA- 2020

Sega was told by dumbass critics to get rid off Sonic's stupid friends. Back in the 2000s Sonic overall was just in a better place

@@donathan2933 back in 2000s sega listened too much to dumb ign that's why they made many changes in sonic

@@arturocastroverde3349 that explains why sonic has been shittey in 2010

I mean I could also blame 06 for that. That game had way too many play styles. They should of just kept the amount to a minimum

@@slayerstarx7109 I appreciate it. It adds more diversity to the game. If 06 had better mechanics and gameplay styles it woulda been better

*this is why i fucking hate critics so much* NOW I CAN'T SKIP HALF THE PLATFORMING SECTIONS, YOU FUCKING DICKHEADS! ALL BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T LIKE ONE FUCKIN GAME? I'M GONNA FIDN THESE NIGGAS AND GIVE THEM A very stern talking to.

Since the early 2010's? The "Sonic's Stupid Friends" argument has been around practically ever since Tails was introduced!

That whole argument is just bullshit. The people who use said argument think that they know what Sonic should be, but they don't.

@@bowmaj8666 No it was mainly after 06. Bias internet critics who suck ass at games and are clearly not a fan of the series.

@@jordancromwell Trust me, I grew up with games like Sonic 2 and you would not believe the amount of times I heard other kids saying things like "TAILS SUCKS! HE'S SO ANNOYING AND USELESS! NOBODY LIKES HIM! THEY SHOULD JUST GET RID OF HIM!" All before the days of the internet, all before arguments like the "Too Many Characters" one; it just feels like there had always been fans who have this very negative attitude towards any playable character who isn't Sonic, which has sadly never gone away!

Hmmm, not sure. I feel like if Sonic Team wanted to take the feedback of the "Sonic and Friends" argument they'd just straight up not include any of the side characters. Who knows their method of thinking though, doesn't make sense a lot of the time.

Wow they were the ones who ruined them

hey critics you know what is trash look in a mirror

They are also the reason why the the franchise went from being somewhat serious to unfunny comedy they kept bitchin about how it was silly how they were trying to be serious.

Basically because it was retconned in Sonic Heroes.

@@chaomix knuckles chaotix happens in a different universe from sonic heroes so it isnt exactly retconned

From what I’ve seen, the canonicity of Knuckle’s Chaotix has flip-flopped through the years. And with Sega aiming to make the Classic Era an alternate universe thing lately, it’s canonicity is flip-flopping even more.

@Sonic the Hedgehog Sorry, but that appears to be the case with Forces. And canonicity of Knuckle’s Chaotix is still somewhat uncertain with the random interviews I’ve seen.

@@kaylemathewcomendador6964 You mean the game where Classic Sonic came from Sonic Mania?

Rivals was November 16th, 06 was November 14th.

Tbh, 06 was deleted sooo…

You have my agreement.

Agreed.

Basically, yeah.

Tbh both Black Knight and Secret Rings had cool concepts for storytelling in the Sonic universe

IKR?? 😭😭😭💔💔💔

@@violetthebat8810 I honestly would like too see confidence writers like shiro Maekawa who wrote shadows backstory in sa2 we need him back in sick of this light hearted childish comedy

Basically ever since sonic colors.

I LOVE SONIC SO MUCH

@@maude7420 sonic was better when he was T rated

Christ

People: sonic and friends are useless Sega: okay then there is no point of having the- People: WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING YOU IDIOT?1?1?

*i would like to know who they are.*

@@seashellguy9416 Blame the game critics who constantly have classed Sonic’s friends as annoying.

I always find it weird how they have Cream and Cheese hiding at home whenever something is happening now. Last time I checked she chose to go save her mum in the Advance games and then also chose to get into the fight again to find Chocola. Now they say she’s too much of a pacifist to do anything 😅

@@ROT695 she should be the opposite honestly. she should be the most violent character based on sonic advance 2. give cream a gun you cowards

the fact that he added "and Sonic" to it.

Holy shit

😂

well that explains everything

To be honest, place ANY established character in this situation and people will be pissed off.

Oh please in today's era of Meme's can you be damn sure that there would turn Cream into Omega both in lines and in actual usefulness (the latter for Forces)

@@rynobehnke8289 That's what I mean. Back when she was introduced she was right there with the rest, either to save her mom or chocola chao. Today she'd probably end up not even getting lines and just be someone sonic saves because "girl", like what amy was in sonic CD at the time.

@@lPsychoMax I mean I daub that as this what there did with her in Shadow's game and sega seams to believe that everything that was in Shadow's game must be pure evil. Also my joke mostly comes because to a less drastic extent is that what the mobile games with Dialogue did with her. (I thing the Sega Heroes Cream and Death Adder scene should be rather popular)

What about shadow

@@freyaljones7368 Shadow’s character definitely needs some fixing. Also that racing short wasn’t too bad since everything was for the sake of comedy so I’m more forgiving to how the characters are portrayed.

​@@walkermcmurrin7452 People keep calling him a heartless jerk in IDW; yet since he first appeared in the comic, his primary goal has been bring Eggman to justice for the War, and now the Metal Virus Saga. Also, just recently, when he was investigating a rich Chao-racing creep's penthouse apartment; Shadow found a cage, looked in and was disgusted at what he saw. He later give's said creep a surprise kick to the back of the head while Rouge, Amy, Cream, and Gemerl were trying to negotiate with him. Rouge thanks Shadow, as she was trying to trick the guy; but Shadow states that he didn't do it for her and points them to the cage, revealing that the creep locked any Chao that failed him in a race even once in there. What kind of "heartless jerk" wants to avenge wrongs, take preventative measures against villains, and utterly hates Chao abuse?! None that I know of. Really, the biggest thing wrong with IDW Shadow, if you ask me, is that he keeps suffering one humiliating defeat after another, even though he SHOULD be able to go toe to toe with Sonic!

@@freyaljones7368 What about Sonic himself?

@@walkermcmurrin7452 sega mandates

Now if only Sega would allow them to give Sonic character development.

@Adri345 Two words, Classic cast.

@Adri345 Mania's still considered a mainstream game.

he isnt your metal sonic??

Ken and Graff, they wrote for games after Colors and Ken doesn't care, he just wants the position and money.

Honestly, I think we should have everyone, Amy, shadow, rouge, big, omega, blaze, silver, cream, espio, vector, charmy, sticks, and everyone else.

I think people take that scene of Shadow stomping Infinite a little too hard. Aside from that, he was honestly kind of normal. Not the best, it was okay, but not terrible. Kirk's voice direction in Forces was pretty good too. But recently with TSR, the twitter takeover before TSR, and Mario & Sonic 2020, his voice went back to being raspy and well, edgy. But yeah, the gold standard should be SA2/Heroes/06

@@gamejitzu sonic battle had some good moments of him too I think

​@@littlemissdeadly24papyrus36 I meant more about the games with the best mix of writing and voicing, though tbh I don't know much about Battle's dialogue and cutscenes. Battle is said to be one of the best Sonic stories, and the game was made when they cared about Shadow, so I can believe it

Knuckles in Forces thinks up a battle strategy by his own admission "in like a second" and gets hundreds of his soldiers slaughtered. The game treats this like a joke, as if Knuckles being actually retarded enough to be so careless with hundreds of lives during a war is supposed to be funny. Knuckles is awful in Forces as well. Him being a leader totally doesn't make any sense, that is like the opposite of Knuckles' strengths. It's almost as stupid as making Amy the techy computer guy- Oh wait... Also Shadow was just some psycho asshole and the whole story was his fault for no reason, he was completely bastardized still.

Look no further than Mania or Frontiers

Definetly

facts IDW does Sonic, Tails, Shadow, Amy and Rouge justice

@@donathan2933 Although they can get a bit iffy with Shadow, mostly due to mandates. Most notable example of this is what he did in the Metal Virus arc. But he still has his moments.

@@kaylemathewcomendador6964 yes but IDW Shadow is getting better and I'm not going to bitch about the Metal Virus cuz that already happened and Shadow seems to have learned his lesson

@@donathan2933 "poorly aged things"

Yeah but Sonic wouldn't have remembered who Silver is because 06 retcons itself.

@@YujiUedaFan That's not what retcon means.

@@EmperorKarino Retroactive continuity. 06 undoes its own events because Sonic, Shadow and Silver made sure Iblis and the events leading the princess to Sonic never happened.

@@YujiUedaFan That's not a retcon. When Shadow lost all his memories at the start of Sonic Heroes, it must have been a retcon of SA2 by your logic.

@@EmperorKarino No because the other characters still remembered SA2. None of the characters from 06 remembered the events of 06 at the end, so the events undo themselves. Amnesia isn't the same as undoing the entire plot of a game.

Huge F because those two are my favorites.

They T posed to the sky, at this point i believe Rouge already stole it.

@@dragondelsur5156 t pose *intensifies**

I AM from Chicago! The way I say “hedgehog” gave that away? LOL

@@chaomix lol i knew it and yes it did give it away but I think its cool how you say hedgehog

It's not milking if only the playable characters are the ones actually being advertised. SEGA loses money by paying the voice actors of the characters that don't do much. The reason they do that is probably to keep the voice actors there even when their characters don't have important roles.

haha u have a mighty pfp and i have a ray pfp

you shipping silver with sonic hit me like a fucking truck in the best of ways

I'm not sure if Shadow's IDW treatment was that great, but... I'll admit I liked the issue where he acknowledged he was acting like an arrogant fucker after the Metal Virus was gone

Sonic and Tails R is fantastic. I would be totally down for Sega picking up when its done and making it into a fully animated show, as I'd sooner take that over another season of Boom any day. Also really hope the next game can get back to the tone the radio drama has, because thats how things used to be, before Free Riders and Colours happened at the start of the 2010s.

Part of me kind of liked how Silver would shout his attacks out 😂

@@DemonDethchase "I'd sooner take that over another season of Boom any day" another season of boom, unlike you, would make me happy. also what's sonic & tails r

@@theceoofceo5033 An ongoing 10 part unofficial radio drama series that's more in line with the tone the series had back in the 2000s, when it wasn't afraid to take itself seriously. As well as being a story centered around the Chaos Emeralds (remember when they were a thing?) It features the voices of Mike Pollock and Ryan Drummond as well as a few other surprises... Part 1 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qc9_oclq0dmnmKM.html Part 2 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oJiUn7mUyK_XiYU.html Part 3 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/etKpZcicxsu4lHU.html Part 4 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kNCHY5BntNvYZJs.html

@Adri345ok, they're still cool af tho

The comics have it worse than the games because Iizuka keeps on making up insane mandates, like Team Dark never having been a thing and currency not existing in Sonic's World, despite Vector's whole character revolving around money.

Things can change don't lose hope

@@chill439 It's SEGA I've lost hope in, not Sonic the Hedgehog. SEGA half asses everything Sonic nowadays! This is the same company that allowed Sonic 06, Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric, and Sonic Forces to be released in the state they were in, further tarnishing the reputation of the franchise.

@@faidou9954 sega does need to change

@@faidou9954 I agree with you. Sonic movie was way better then Sonic Forces that's saying much.

Yeah. Let’s go back to the Sol Dimension. Spend more time in it and flesh it out. But perhaps it will appear in Sonic Prime.

@@GIJOEFAN-ys8gp Considering the series is about dimensions, yes.

I think you mean idw imao

@@chill439 The Idw continuity can work as a sequel expansion to it.

I mean do we need the comics to be canon

@@tommyhamlin4611 It can work as a Spinoff game

@@tommyhamlin4611 the idw comics are canon, also for the metal virus could work as a warriors game for sonic

Amy actually had other traits besides her crush on Sonic, more specifically her compasion, love for excitement, interest on mystical things, her ridiculous strength and so on. And that specific trait her detractors always point on was never a problem, it's how it was used because she can still love Sonic and contribute on the story, examples being SA1, 2, Heroes (despite you know what), 06 and the IDW comics.

How about the rest of angle is- Oh yeah no one is there

@@Luvdiscdelgado :'(

What about cream or bla oh wait they died somehow

I guess the master emerald disengaged after heroes

Blaze always appearing in Sonics dimension is like Knuckles never being near the master emerald anymore 😅

That nice but I would like that the game explain why she isn’t there

@@terry9740 But it’s obvious where she is. Last time I checked she’s a princess in her own dimension. She’d have her own things she’d need to do

@@ROT695 i know but when the game say the Phantom ruby power is affecting other dimensions I’m expecting blaze to appear or at show or how it affect her dimensions. Also I would like that Sonic forces told that, not a comic book serie that I’m sure that sure most would not be interested in reading