Can you make a video on warhammer 40k lasgun (laser weapons)

Maybe the "fighter plane in space" stereotype is more at fault here? ANY spaceship would need high cargo capacity as you're not actually in a car stuck in traffic, you're in an independently operating vessel that can spend years away from infrastructure. So rather then these being wrong, it's "fighter" vessels, who are. Maybe these are just proper "fighters"/corvettes?

Thanks - it was great to finally get that season completed. Fair winds for Season 2!

sorry but it is still not available on spotify in not english spoken countries...the other services i do not use...

YT-1300 was meant to push big cargo in front of herself. That's why she's got the prongs and the cockpit sideways. And the super-strong engine. This entire video is built around a miscomprehended design. It's an embarrassment and you should better take it down!!!

Hold on, you mean the " " i " h " " " e g " " r" " L " " t " " r " " h e" ? " " g " " f " i " t " "

Pretty much just making pirate ships.

@@P3x310did you have a seizure

I like to think that they aren't even meant for smugglers, it's just a marketing term to sell to people undergoing a midlife crisis.

Companies have always found loopholes to get around regulations. For example arcade cabinets. There where specialized arcade cabinets that have gimmicks tailored to the game. But there where also blank arcade cabinets with circuit boards and decals sold separately. But regulation stated it was illegal to sell cabinets without installed games. So the cabinets had something that met the minimum requirements to qualify as a game preinstalled. They even bought back the circuit boards to install in the next batch of cabinets, which is why so few of them are still around.

Call it "proactive security" in either case

@@Alpostpone *preemptive security, dealing with problems before they arise.

Mocking Reply: Please don't give the game away meatbag! 😀

And some got classified as "human relations" droids

Subcategories of battle droid

but these are more like oceangoing ships than like trucks. Trucks are bound by road sizes, whereas oceangoing ships are bound only by dock sizes and some restricted passages like the Panama and Suez canals.

@danielkorladis7869 So, if we are comparing them to naval vessels, they are all tramp freighters. Basically, ships that aren't on any kind of regular schedule or routing. More specifically, they would appear to be pre 1960s containerization freighters. So they would still be all over the map for size and specific role. In most tramp ship situations, the ship owner is obligated to provide for everything the ship needs, and the charterer is just supplying the cargo and schedule. So the ship owner is responsible for the timely intact arrival of the freight in question. Now, if you have cargo and its going to a very safe and settled world, are you going to charter a small vessel, or are you going to pay a lot less for partial leasing of a much cheaper bulk hauler on a set schedule? Probably the latter. Which pushes the small independent guys further to the edges of the shipping economy... where they are likely to need more ability to protect themselves. The heavy firepower is part of their obligation to protect the cargo. Basically, to boldly go where we were paid to go.

Companies will make a product if there is a need, if pirates, smugglers, cartels, mafias and crime lords need it, someone will make it. That is what light freighters are for and they make PERFECT sense in universe. as said by Tom05011996 said in his comment, "Light Freighter" was the code for "designed for smuggling" But not advertised as such. I should also point out that there are still MANY logical and LEGAL uses for a light freighter. In system transport of goods, resupply of patrol forces in less secure areas of space. Of course most of these especially the Millennium Falcon were designed with modularity in mind, meaning they could easily be converted to fuel transports, passenger craft, and even medical transports. Logistics is a complex industry and to flippantly say that light armed transports make no sense, well that just means you didn't REALLY think about it very hard. I'm clad that Crackedjabber you understand this. hats off to you for explaining it so well.

I like this analogy, mind if I steal it?

@@peterwestmer576 not at all.

In hindsight yes they probably all should have gotten that designation, but instead Courier seems to have been applied only to these light ships which are actually built with all out speed as their main design goal and sacrifice most internal cargo volume for it. The Moldy Crow is what I think of as a true Courier ship as it never had significant cargo space. What we often see are light-freighters that are modified INTO courier ships via engine upgrades that sacrifice or fill cargo space.

They could always wait for the space police to arrive while pirates EMP or Concussion Missile the ship without any armament or means of self defence.

I like to think that the two prong fork on the front of The Falcon is for pushing Cargo Crates in space

@@klaykid117 The problem is that any cargo setup designed to be pushed using them would either need to be relatively small or be specially designed since the prongs do not seem to be a standard feature on ships of this size, meaning that all the equipment would have to be specially designed for this type of ship. Having some level of capacity for such would explain the offset cockpit better than most explanations though. This system would have to at least increase the ship's cargo capacity by a factor of four to match very small early 20th century tramp freighters, meaning that as a true freighter it would certainly be uneconomical in a pan-galactic economy.

​@@matthewkeeling886it is literally designed to push large cargo pods through space

Basically the Toyota Landcruiser 70 series technical of spaceships

@@fernandomarques5166 HILUX!!!

More like the RV from Stripes.

@@MonkeyJedi99 What spaceship from SW would be basically a Toyota Hilux in space? (the Millennium Falcon doesn't count)

@@evinbraley Probably the Ghost, it's the only one, other the the Falcon that made sense to me.

Par is a bit of a strong word given the staggeringly different design philosophies behind weapon hardpoint placement but definitely in a similar weight-bracket. The Mon-Calamari Cruisers tended to have an omnidirectional firing angle layout that minimized dead space that could be used to the advantage of attackers, where the Star Destroyer's wedge-shaped design was explicitly made to allow the potential to focus every single gun on the exterior of the craft into a forward firing arc if the need arose, resulting in a much higher damage output when presenting the narrowest target at longer at the cost of efficiency of flank coverage when the fighters and bombers get into range. Tl;dr: The Mon-Calamari ship doesn't have near the directed firepower but since it has a broadside-favoring gun setup but it has much better protection from fighter/bomber swarm runs

They were the size of star destroyers, but they lost every 1v1 with one, what won them those fights were the starfighters they could carry

@@calebbarnhouse496 In SW:6 canon, MC80 wins against ISD on 1v1.

@@semicuriosity257 in episode 6 it was a massive fleet battle, there was no 1v1 and again the fighter compliment of them is doing 90 percent of the work

i all fairness to the story writers ... in WWII the US refitted lots of ships into air craft carrieres.

Yeah, far as I know, the "stock" YT-1300 has a single dorsal-mounted laser cannon with about a quarter the power of either of the Falcon's turrets. Enough to dissuade a curious bandit or blast mynocks, basically. It just happened to have a powerplant that could support considerably more powerful armaments.

Oh yeah, the Falcon is modified in pretty much every way it can be modified. Its sensor suite, shields, and weapons have all been replaced with military hardware, and it even has a few heavy concussion missiles (which don't see much use, as they're real hard for a private owner to replace). And everything related to going fast has been souped up, because souping up cars was something Lucas loved and wanted in his space movie.

Someone familiar with the actual history of pirate ships could find the Star Wars light freighter to be VERY plausible! Actual pirate ships in the golden age of piracy were essentially: Light Freighters. Most often sloops. (If they weren't piraguas or essentially very large canoes with sails.) They were chosen to be maneuverable and fast. Almost always, they were modified with additional weapons.

@@stcredzero IIRC, Edward Teach (aka Blackbeard) had armed sloops in his fleet, though the Flagship, The Queen Anne's Revenge, was a frigate.

@@lyingbastard The ships commonly portrayed in movies are larger than 95%+ of all the pirate ships that ever existed. Yes, there were are few larger ships, and generally pirates sought out “frigate built” vessels - ie, the fast, sleek built ones. But anything which was a true frigate ship of the line was a rarity for a pirate. This is why Queen Anne’s Revenge and the few other large pirate ships are noteworthy.

And if you look at the ship design it looks like it can physically tow, which in space where weight isn't as much of a issue as mass, it actually was a job performing vessel... But then everyone wanted a millennium Falcon. Which is part of why I liked Mando's original ship so much a clearly purpose built vessel that filled a similar role in the story without just being a million copycat...I mean "light freighter"

In legends, it' actually two different YT-1300's welded together after one crashed in the assembly line and the other was wrecked from the other end so they welded them together to get one functional ship.

This is sort of backed up by how much time Han and Chewie spend in the original movies tinkering and hitting things. Their modifications, and of course Lando Calrissian's before them, are *great* when they actually work, but they've created lots of extra failure points, either by pushing the envelope too far, or just not being very good engineers, it's not clear which. And with _Solo_ canon, they also have to work around a droid AI that's integrated into the ship's computer, and a highly independent-minded one, at that! And, exactly, Gear3k, failing to emulate that "highly modified" bit has weakened the worldbuilding with (ugh) powercreep. Although I know that if you put the _Ebon Hawk_ up against the _Falcon,_ it's clearly pretty crap. Atton and T3 are clearly the only reason it only gets badly damaged and not destroyed any time anyone shoots at it. Sure, it's armed and presumably upgraded, but it's no comparison to the _Falcon._

According to the Legends material for YT-1300 line the default ship is much more lightly armed and less capable in all areas. The cargo bays for both the Falcon and stock models are still surprisingly small though.

B@@GeoRyukaiser But big enough to legally qualify it as a freighter, lol

The box truck for in a city as opposed to semi and trailer for interstate. Makes sense, given how big the galaxy is, not every freight destination will be able to handle a larger medium or heavy freighter.

The engine banks don't quite jive with that, massively overpowered for a "box truck" equivalent...

@@GeshronTyler1 You should see the engine I once saw crammed into the nose of a Goggomobil coupe. It wasn't put there by the designers; it's because a previous owner got a bit drunk one night and thought he was Tim Taylor.

More of a high speed Van or Suv. It can "carry" stuff. But I wouldnt call it a cargo vehicle.

Yeah, that was pretty much my interpretation as well. It's a fairly loose analogy, obviously, but it seems to fit.

In FFG star wars role playing i ran a game where the players started with a unarmered HWK 1000 and over 2 years real time with a season every week made that ship able to dog fight like a fighter while carrying the fire power of a corvet and it was stealth. it even had a full on NPC crew on it so that if needed it could swoop in and rescue the players.

Agree with you, also there "stock" exceptions like the YV-929. More a "small gunship/patrol boat" with Double turbolaser cannons (2) Ion cannons (2) Triple blasters (2) Concussion missile launchers (4) And 150t of cargo to transport the tears of wannabee pirates crossing your path....

He also mentioned the Action series of ship, which all are easily modified to act as light frigates. Hell if I remember correctly you can technically build a hangar in one and house 2 squadrons of 4 fighters.

@@watdaduckfuk Action-series transports are CEC-designed, retrofit ready boxes with a gazillion hardpoints ready for installing gear and easy modular structures. They're practically made for aftermarket customization.

The problem is that they're awful freighters. They're tramp freighters, without the ability to haul full-sized cargo containers in most circumstances, more useful as light tugs. They're like the pick-up trucks of the Star Wars shipping lanes, transporting a few mattresses at a time. I would reclassify them as light utility ships for the more developed sci-fi genre we now enjoy. They're not as effective as specialized ships of similar size, but they can do a lot and have enough adaptability to probably not damage anything they don't intend to damage.

Kinda? For developed core worlds you'd have a different type of light freighter for that, especially if an intermodal container system is in use. A ship like what we see used for "Hero Ships" would be used more for transporting low-volume, high-value goods to and from frontier worlds or by independent pilots.

The term Bulk Freighter in modern terms is any ship that hauls large bulk loose cargoes, such as grain, iron ore, coal, etc. Container ships carry manufactured or non bulk cargoes which have already been packaged all of which placed in shipping containers.

my headcanon was something more along the lines of how precious the cargo they carried: if the big ones carry grain, the small ones carry gold. Ok, those are earth trade goods, but it would explain the size/armament disparity if the small "freighters" are for carrying art/museum pieces, small quantities of special-order goods, niche machinery, produced somewhere remote or taken to somewhere else remote, far from highly guarded trade routes.

The difference between using a road train and using a panel-van.

The problem with that idea is that the most a ship like the Falcon could carry would be ~4 sea-cans, both by volume and by its in-universe specified max hauling weight. 4 seacans... from a hub system to a PLANET? An entire planet only needs that much stuff? Even the smallest population worlds we see in Star Wars have enough people on them to justify bulk carriers visiting them. It's also extremely expensive to transport small quantities of things, on a per unit basis. In the real world you can track this in numerous ways, but I find carbon emissions to be an amusing one. When you buy a banana at your local grocery store, half the emissions of transporting that banana from the other side of the planet take place when you get in your inefficient gas guzzling 6 person SUV and drive yourself to the grocery store and back. Much of the rest of the emissions comes from moving the banana from your local seaport or train station to the grocery store via semi or box truck. Actually moving the banana from the other side of the planet? A tiny fraction of the total. Not because giant ships are clean transport (they're anything but that), but because per unit emissions are tiny on bulk transport. This carries over to the money it costs to transport something too, roughly in proportion to the carbon emissions. Back to the YT freighters vs bulk transport: this is equivalent to - in the real world - if we exclusively used cessnas to service every small town on the planet (everything we don't consider a "hub"), instead of building roads or train tracks that much cheaper bulk transport vehicles could travel down. How expensive would it be to live in those places? We actually know the answer to that, because there are small towns in northern Canada and Russia that are exclusively serviceable by light aircraft. Everything in those towns is either government or corporate subsidized (often both) because no one can afford to live there due to the lack of cheap bulk transport that we in more southern regions take for granted. Now imagine entire planets where an icecream cone cost 500 dollars, because they're only serviced by YT freighters instead of cheaper bulk transport. That's absurd. Economics don't work that way. No one would live there until the space equivalent of rail access or a road was brought in.

This channel really has fallen way off.

@@XMysticHerox Yeah, the guy even likes "Andor" . . .

Plus the companies that can afford those larger freighters and passenger liners can also probably afford to contract with mercenaries or forces local to the regions they travel to have support if they do cross near to pirate infested areas. The folks flying these smaller personal freighters are independent workers either hauling cargo that has a high value per square metre (hence not requiring a lot of volume for cargo) or actively smuggling illicit goods, so the smaller size is handy for avoiding detection.

Yes thats a weak part of the video, I did a poor job of refocusing on the larger issue of so many things just redoing exactly what the Falcon did. The galaxy is dangerous due to war, criminals, oppressive governments, shadowy organisations, so sure defending yourself is a good idea. (Unless you're a civilian then you gotta wait for a hero to save you.) Like I said in another comment, theres scrapyards everywhere, multiple wars to generate military surplus, capable people who can put together space worthy ships. So many options for original hero ships without just redoing the Falcon. - hoojiwana from Spacedock

Andor is great... Thats not the issue@@bubbagump2341

Yeah they basically confirmed this the basic YT-1300 is only armed with a single dual laser cannon turret where as the Millennium Falcon has two quad laser turrets and two torpedo launchers and the torpedo launchers are where the forward cargo bay was originally

That is actually the in-universe explanation.

Space gunboats?

Yeah, the corellian manufacturers do things like: Maker A sells a light freighter with powerful engines and multiple mount hardpoints, but no parts. Maker B ONLY makes "generic" space parts that just so happen to coincidentally mount onto shipyard A's hardpoints, by pure chance. Neither can be accused of making over armed gunboats, and neither officially authorizes the use of parts from the other, but if buyers happen to self modify their own ships, well thats just good business.

Still doesn't make sense, Who would want modular freighters? Not merchants, that's for sure. So other ideas like "they are intended for smugglers, but renamed for legal reasons" make more sense.

Showdown in Little China, or Escape from New York.

Suppose in your analogy then the Falcon would be a souped up light plane with machine guns, used for drug running and strafing rival cartels occasionally.

@@ctrlaltdebug Yep. At home in the outer rim, but modded with the firepower to shoot first.

IMO, they're more like the carracks, caravels, and galleons that were widely used to explore and transport goods during the Age of Sail. These were small ships that carried a mix of cargo and people and were often armed.

That's the impression I always got. These bigger, unarmed cargo vessels are used in safer, more prosperous regions. Regions with well-defined hyperlanes and enough money to afford a proper system security force to deal with pirates. The light freighter would then be used to carry their cargo from these hubs into the frontier. It's also often hinted that companies like CEC, who build the falcon and most of the lookalikes, knew that they were selling light warships, but the profits made it worth it for them.

Exactly. His argument just silently assumes that the Star Wars galaxy is uniformly secures, which is not the case.

You also forgot that those unarmed Cargos were not alone they traveld with Escort, thats just the money talk buy big cargo hire merc or buy self defend capable smal frighter for same money

Tatooine during the early New Republic (Book of Boba Fett) is shown as being a place run by warring crime syndicates, but it has unarmed transports arriving very frequently. You'd think that would be the exact sort of place those ships would avoid, but nope. Tatooine has long since stopped being a backwater though with how everything important happens there. Even on Nevarro, those pirates were sent there by Moff Gideon, and the place was only vulnerable because the people of Nevarro explicitly chose to be independant and put themselves at risk, exactly as I said in the video. - hoojiwana from Spacedock

No, no. Let's watch that campy story arc of the rag-tag crew of freighter tramps that never get into real trouble or mix it up with "an empire." I bet that's like "Real World: Ferrix"

The same sources (West End Games RPG material released just after RotJ and a direct source for the Thrawn trilogy) establish *most* light freighters are unarmed or armed only with a nominal laser cannon for removing space debris (asteroids etc.), especially when designed in more peaceful eras. It's just that when a ship is mostly empty space and has enough power to move literally tens of thousands of kilograms of cargo it's quite easy to use that space and power for something other than crates full of goods. Also helps many are modular to accommodate varying goods storage (refrigeration for meat, gas chambers to keep fruits from aging) or types of passengers (humans are the most common, but plenty of species breath different atmosphere or have differing size).

YT series freighters were infamous for this, they were purposefully built to be heavily modified by their captains and as a result this would end up with a TON of them being used illegally and having features that were simply illegal or heavily restricted on civilian ships.

The problem is that they aren't built like freighters. Their designs offer limited cargo capacity and loading/unloading that cargo is an awkward affair. They don't make sense as freighters.

Sure thats great, but why do so many hero ships end up being modified "light freighters"? - hoojiwana from Spacedock

@@CptJistuce That's a fair point. Although, what term would you use to describe them? To me these ships seem like the space versions of a mobile home? A Pickup truck? A small private boat? Not sure what ship class or type that would fall under

That's true, when Malcolm decided to go to Miranda, they attached the anti-aircraft gun that Book used to shoot down the Fed ship that killed him. But after the Reaver attack was over and they were repairing Serenity they removed the AA gun. I've read that few if any of the light transports in SW come with guns. The ships are heavily modified by the owners.

It can also attach additional crates on the underside.

THANK you.

If you ever play an RPG and try to make their deckplans work, they prove to be terrible. The vehicles you mention make management and loading of people and cargo efficient. Star Wars ships are absolutely counterproductive to even light cargo hauling.

@@RecklessFables Hence, they're not freighters. They're something else. Personally, I view the Freighter moniker like 2-by-4, that is, marketing.

@tsamoka6496 The best analogous example for light freighters in Star Wars are tramp freighters IRL. That's almost certainly where Lucas got his inspiration from. The unarmed transports they talk about in the video are supposed to be large bulk carriers like freight liners. Bulk freight liners have ports of call, routes and schedules and belong to large corporations/banks/investment firms. Tramp freighters are more freelance and would belong to independent owner operators. Bulk freight liners generally have higher profit margins, using economies of scale to ship in bulk. They wouldn't have weapons mounted because they would be flying the same routes in relatively safe sectors with police protection, but can afford armed escort where necessary. Light freighters focus on low volume higher value cargo, passenger or time critical freight. Which is why they don't require large cargo doors. It's why Han bragged about fast delivery too. Also light freighters would have tighter profit margins. Which means taking riskier runs to unlawful areas. It makes perfect sense that they'd have to rely on mounting their own weapons, speed and maneuverability to get away from trouble. It's not about "winning", just being hard enough nut to crack so they can get away. It's where Lucas drew some inspiration for the name "Solo", because he's an archetype for the independent freelancer perhaps? I dunno. There are logistical issues for pirates wanting to attack large bulk carriers. They either have to steal the entire ship or have their own bulk carrier that they can transfer cargo over to. Both options are difficult, time consuming and dangerous. Here's the thing about bulk freight, it's generally speaking low value cargo, which is why they ship it via bulk carriers. It's the economies of scale that make shipping low value cargo viable. So if a pirate wants to steal from a bulk carrier they're going to have to take a lot. If an item is high value it's generally lower volume too. So that would be shipped in smaller safer ships. Light freighters with their higher value, lower volume cargo would be a more attractive prize. So being fast, maneuverable and able to fight are kind of a necessity. Speaking of niches, they're not taking the size of the galaxy into consideration. Civilization stretches on and on. In a galaxy that size a ship building company like Corellian would find a market for almost any size freighter. They could probably sell hundreds of thousands if not millions of light freighters over time. The video is just wrong when they say light freighters are nonsense. They fill a niche. But if I were to compare light freighters to any military transport, I'd say duece and a half is the closest fit.

Technical

They honestly seem more like an RV with a couple of guns strapped on so that people can live out their space cowboy fantasies.

Space Balls!

The thing Jabba wants Han for is dumping his load of spice when he got boarded. So before he was taking Luke as a passenger he was hauling inanimate cargo.

​@@greatsayainThe two are not mutually exclusive. It is possible for a ship to do both.

It's even in the lore, where the manufacturer of the Falcon or the Ghost, wasn't allowed to build warships so they build ships that could easily be retrofitted to fill that role and called them freighters and such.

Escort fits well if Defiant class is meant for fleet actions where its supposed to be like a destroyer, but that would be too aggressive sounding classification. If it was meant to be a more independent ship, then it would've likely been something like corvette or frigate, which aren't any more aggressive sounding than cruiser, one of the common Starfleet ship classifications, and cruisers are explicitly a warship classification too

The USS Defient was designed for fighting the Borg specifically. It was also a top secret program because it used a cloaking device on loan from the Romulan Empire. That would explain why it was classified as a "Escort Ship".

@@coolsenjoyer It has a cloaking too, so I think it is more of a submarine type role in their fleet composition.

Thing is, Defiant as a warship isn’t that impressive. The “Escort” classification actually works and works well. It’s only when you get to the big ships. Prometheus & Sovereign where it really is a battleship.

☝🏼 also, look at the designation Sport Utility Vehicle in the USA and its popularity despite being utterly un-needed and un-utilized for said purpose.

I was thinking along similar lines, like the big unarmed ships are the 747s and 18 wheelers. The “light freighter” is a modified Hilux in Afghanistan

@@Jonny5a I like the idea of these being "space technicals."

Yep, if you put guns directly /on/ the transport, you're asking for it to be shot at and risk damaging the cargo. If 99% of the shooting is at the escorts, and 1% at the engines to disable movement, there's a much greater chance you, as the people on the transport ship, don't get killed when pirates hit your convoy. Your hired escorts die.

​@@warmachine5835that is honestly such a great idea XD

This is a huge factor I hadn’t thought about at all. Good point.

Of course, Han allegedly won the Falcon from Lando in a card game. And Lando allegedly won it himself in a card game, according to the old L. Neil Smith novels from 40 years ago. I can't imagine being such an avid card player that I'd bet my starship. That's like betting your house, your car, AND your business, all at once...

This is a great point but Din Djarin had an old junker that could be taken apart and put together in like a day and still be spaceworthy. There's scrapyards full of parts and there are multiple wars which would generate old surplus equipment when they end. Take a LAAT and jam a hyperdrive in it. Cobble together a new ship out of parts. You know, kinda like Dins N1, but more practical. Anything but modifying a light freighter because thats what Han did! - hoojiwana from Spacedock

​​@@stevenscott2136ppl do that tho

And without the need of being lucky enough to stumble over an outright warship that one can claim as... "legitimate salvage"

"This js also why the engines are so large and why the unloaded light freighters are so fast." Or... they designed the ships that way to appeal to enthusiasts. The YT-1300 with its overbuilt engines would be like a Dodge Durango SRT Hellcat. Not saying that you couldn't use a YT-1300 to tow barges, just that the engines make sense even if that wasn't the original intent. The economy of the Star Wars galaxy is heavily capitalist and starship manufacturers are always looking for ways to boost their sales. Making enthusiast models is one way to do that. And if someone doesn't want to pay the extra for a YT-1300 with its overbuilt engines and heavy fighter-like handling, they can always buy an older YT-1210 or a bigger, bulkier YT-2000 or YT-2400 instead.

@@VestedUTuber could be a case of the YT-1300 as stock is designed to haul cargo barges... buyer buys it because big engines, looks cool and so on. see people driving around whit pickup trucks that can fit a few cows in it truck drive on wet dirt roads, what is it used for... drive to the grocery store 5 min from home on perfect pavements/tarmac somewhint where a small tuc tuc truck would perform better at.

Also quite a few of the CEC ones, like the YT-1300 are explicitly modular. An off-the-shelf Yt-1300 is completely unarmed and has more raw (but obvious) cargo space than the Falcon.

Aye additionally this was initially a heavily modified vessel to fit the needs of an individual. Unfortunately Disney can't seem to really create anything unique nowadays. Instead they copy from the original movies and the so-called Legacy Extended Universe. Now every group of heroes has to have their own "millennium falcon" or a clumsy rip off of it.

@@Zack_Wester You're entirely missing my point. I'm pointing out that a ship having excessively powerful engines doesn't _have_ to be a practical design decision, just like how we have SUVs with muscle car engines and street-tuned suspension out of the factory IRL. Or do you think the Dodge Durango Hellcat was designed primarily to tow cattle trailers?

Sounds fantastic and is exactly the sort of thing the setting needs more of rather than retreading the same ground. - hoojiwana from Spacedock

@@hoojiwana This is far from the most egregious bit of canon idiocy that George shoved in to explain away a plot hole on a meta level but never bothered (or likely even thought about) whether it made the slightest bit of sense in-universe. Like, say, The Rusan Reformation, the Tarkin Doctrine, or the Rule of Two.

"and the OTO-Malera 3" turret" *lol* There's no kill just like OVERkill...

@@DrBunnyMedicinal Oh god, the Rule of Two. I've already ranted sooo many times about that one piece of idiocy. It's like a straight road to loosing all knowledge.

@@AraliciaMoran I hate that particular bit of lore as well. It's an interesting attempt to try and mitigate the fact that Sith are inherently self-serving and ambitious, but it relies on so many of them ultimately working towards a goal they will never benefit from, and taking on apprentices that they know will either usurp them, or die trying. It would not have taken long at all for a Sith master to either branch out and start creating a more numerous order, change the very ideology of the Sith in some manner, or simply say, "I'm not taking an apprentice, I know how that ends, and it doesn't benefit me in the meantime."

The earlier YT-1200 design became popular with smugglers and Rim traders because they were more heavily armed and armored than similar sized freighters. When the 2400 line (Millennium Falcon) came out, it was to meet customer demand for a faster, even more heavily armed and armored ship. CE basically builds for a niche market; legitimate traders in civilized space go with cheaper, less combat capable options. At least that's my understanding based on the stuff I've read. There's an endless mess of lore out there, most of it contradictory. Edit: My model numbers are all wrong because I'm going off crappy memory, ignore those. The point is, they built a somewhat tougher freighter and it sold so well amongst smugglers that they pushed for an even better line of smuggler gunships.

crew quarters and cargo holds can be same same space, with some tweaks, the biggest mod is powerplant, which can power guns, shields and more powerful hyperdrive, and some other cool stuff, like cloaking

Real problem is they kept scaling DOWN the size of the light freighters when purpose built ships that were also easily modifiable in the EU and Disney verses existed already. I think the real problem is that it's the freighter aspect and how they kept making them so much smaller to try and somehow convince us that these we're not trying to outdo the Falcon... By making a ship that could do more than the falcon while being smaller... Like with the Falcon you can tell it was stripped, modified, originally could use it's front to push larger area size containers, or just have a larger front container built in. And it needed constant work... And then we needed Rebels to have a "not millennium falcon" and the ship was smaller, had a whole other jump capable ship built into it, etc etc. At the rate of shrinkage as opposed to performance, give Starwars another decade and the Doctor will be suing for theft of Time Lord tech.

for the TTRPG nerds out there, look into parasite fighters if you want to try and mix things up with the "hero-ship" dynamic for your campaigns. another idea is the converted light carrier as well. take a GR-75 and add some makeshift hangers out of some cargo containers.

I had a different Traveller take away. I thought that light freighters were subsidized mail ships. Then again Star Wars has FTL communications with the HoloNet so that might not be the case.

That's exactly it. I always thought of Light Freighters like courier vans or box trucks of the Star Wars Universe. If you want a small amount of something delivered fast and safely, choose a light freighter. If you want a large quantity of something, choose a BFF-1.

Yes, and the free trader "hero ship" run by an 'intrepid merchant' is a standard trope in sci fi writing and RPGs going way back. Going where the big freighters won't or can't, carrying (or recovering) small, valuable, sometimes illegal cargoes and high value passengers, also somewhat capable of supplementing income with piracy, bounty hunting, treasure hunting, etc. when they didn't have a delivery contract. These were the staple of Traveller, which was released the same year as the very first Star Wars. It was already a well-established standard sci-fi trope by then. And older than that. TV Tropes says the 'intrepid merchant' trope is "dating back in poetry, folklore, and history to at least Sinbad the Sailor, continuing as a staple of adventure fiction until the present day, and finding its way into science-fiction almost as soon as the genre came into existence." It has always made for potentially interesting stories of adventure.

Well swtor actually did pretty well im this regard. The only player ship that is a like freighter is the smuggler's ship.

@@eight-cloudspurple5871 Yes. But the X-70B... light looked at that ship and said "Nah, that's too pretty for me to touch that". All the other ships feel just like an RV (except for the Smuggler's "light freighter" and the Soldier's "assault transport" which was a gunship that could drop off a whole unit of troops, which it does well).

Those aren't cannons. They're high-speed ballistic package-delivery projectors.

@@stevenscott2136 See, our company terms even state our torpedo deliveries are fully refundable if the recipient isn't completely satisfied with the service.

Agreed, they actually use the cargo handling aspects of the Ghost in several episodes.

@@Halo1Buff It helps that The Ghost has external cargo pods. They don't have to explain why an interstellar freighter was designed to carry cargo only in its entryway, with less space than a U-Haul.

@@drksideofthewal The Falcon itself would be able to accept external cargo pods in the front claw, but somebody replaced the cargo clamp with a missile launcher.

@@drksideofthewal If you actually do the math on the cargo bays, there's multiple semi-trucks' worth of capacity in the Millennium Falcon, but Han set up a couch in one of the bays

@@slothfulcobra The problem is that it's rather difficult to get cargo in and out of the Falcon unless the floors of all of the cargo bays also double as freight elevators. Somebody, I forget who, recently posted a video discussing and according to published blueprints of the Falcon, the only real way of getting cargo in and out of the Falcon is through the boarding ramp. While the Falcon does have a single freight elevator, it's small and only services a single cargo hold.

Star Wars actually *does* have a DMV, the Bureau of Ships and Services. Weapons loadout forms aren't typically scrutinized at most ports unless they're blatantly false.

It makes sense, and this is literally what the Falcon does on its first flight (blowing past a bunch of Star Destroyers by escaping into hyperspace). Obviously such a vessel would need a top tier navicomputer...one that could do the Kessel Run in less than 3 parsecs. :p

@@DrTssha "IT WAS TWELVE!"

Besides, we do not know the tech curve of aggregates for such crafts. Usually all those are a balance of size/power/cost, and it is very much possible that falcon and friends can get the most efficient of the all three. Like cheap, but supersized fighter part, or weak and undersized capital ship part, basic option for full-capitals, which works in this scenario like near-elite variant.

Unfortunately the CR-90 Corvette aka the first ship actually seen in the franchise has that designation locked down.

The Falcon is also heavily modified away from it's original design.

Han Solo at Star's End IIRC. Great book. Damn that lift/mass ratio!

That's part of the problem. How many of those Falconlike hero ships I mentioned are also modified and upgunned just like the Falcon is? Why can't they just be something else that isn't a modified freighter that gets used in a similar role? - hoojiwana from Spacedock

@@hoojiwana Because it's an easy to obtain platform that has legal lining and is easy to upgrade and adapt if necessary. It's actually pretty fantastic platform for militia and survival. It could be transformed into just about anything: an escort, an ambulance, a private transport, a gunship, long distance recon, a home; it's like having an armoured RV that can defend itself. Honestly i'd be more surprised these utility craft not being one of the most common vehicles in space. Most logistics and such in Star Wars are actually surprisingly very solid and logical in their design. If they are suboptimal, there is usually a reason for it.

There are examples of ships other than light freighters that have been modified, Boba Fetts patrol craft turned into a heavily armed gunship, Lando has a luxury yacht modified. But light freighters are so versatile, easy to come by and easy to modify. The YT series specifically. Same reason why after Fast and the Furious first came out the Honda Civic saw a huge boom in modifications.

The first few episodes dragged, but once I got over the hump I loved it!

People's attention span has been destroyed by Disney

@@mryellow6918 Yeah, no, can't blame Diseny for that one; KZfaq/TikTok/Vine are far more culpable than Disney for attention spans shorteniSQUIRREL!

Well, most people who actually like star wars gave up after kenobi and didn't watch Andor and the people who stayed are the kind of people who like Disney star wars

@@leonrussell9607 I watched it out of boredom and it turned out really good. I have seen some people complaining it to be too slow, but none that its not Star Wars enough or "too Disney".

Interestingly, the EU established that most smuggling, like in the real world, isn't actually spice, weapons or slaves and it's actually otherwise legitimate goods that are evading tariffs (which are much higher under the Empire than before it) that make up the bulk of the Galaxy's "smuggling". The stereotypical illicit cargoes are really only viable if you have a buyer lined up already, but thousands of remote factories would be willing to buy (for example) cheap copper ingots without telling the tax man. It's also far easier to get people to ignore financial crimes through bribes (etc.), especially if the victim is an unpopular government.

Plus the Bebop is a cool ship on its own and has several instances of it in action/combat when the need for it arises.

The "away from the main ship" aspect also allows a wider variety of dramatic situations.

I think you hit the nail on the head with this comment. For a real world analogy, the 18-wheeler semi hauling food from distribution centers to grocery stores along interstate highways isn't protected and optimizes for cargo capacity and efficiency. Money transport companies making cash pickups and servicing ATMs use heavily armored vehicles, many of which are standard truck or van chassis with alternate bodies that trade cargo transport effectiveness for protection and performance. If you needed a "hero truck" it would be much closer to a brinks van than a tractor-trailer.

@@redramage Just want to say these two comments between them are the sort of thoughtful, helpful, interesting, and positive remarks that make me like the internet.

I'd take my ill-gotten cabbages to some little planet with a famine going on. As crooked as galactic politics seem to be, you can count on there ALWAYS being a famine somewhere. It may not be my biggest profit, but a pirate needs that kind of aggressive, self-starter attitude. 😁

@@stevenscott2136 How do you plan to do that without everyone knowing who they're buying from?

Historically, pirates often had such trouble with supplies, they would raid not only cargo but a target's food, weapons, parts and medical supplies. The pirates may not be happy to eat cabbage, but they have some food. They could even pickle it into sauerkraut. Keeps away the dreaded scurvy, that stuff.

It's canon and we used it in our recent tugs video! - hoojiwana from Spacedock

All the Corellian light freighters were designed to carry external cargo pods in "canon" and in the real Star Wars. It's mentioned a few times in different books and games

Though the ships we see are modified variants of the originals that are never really shown. It's likely they often sacrificed cargo space or other transport related systems for other things.

@@clancykohl They did, and also in the case of YT-1300s like the Falcon, they were also designed to clamp freight containers in their front prongs, hence the massively overpowered engines. Just Han and the other owners of the Falcon don't really do that on screen.

A you're saying a "light freighter" is basically a Twin Otter to a DC-3.

@@inventor121 that's a good example, yeah.

Good thing dogs aren't depicted in Star Wars much. The Empire sounds like they'd have quite the penchant for popping puppers.

There was usually one laser cannon when you bought one in the old West End RPG.

@@labrat810 Or using them for evil.

makes me think of a time period when GM had a company policy that nothing could be faster than the Corvette. So Pontiac would often ship out some of their biggest engine cars with a 2 barrel carb there by reducing the power and making them slower. And then the dealers would offer a reasonably priced performance upgrade and throw on a 4 barrel Holley.

You called it!

I think random people probably could get ahold of old military equipment thanks to the multiple large wars and subsequent huge changes in government. That leads to a lot of military surplus and ships waiting to be scrapped lying around that no one would miss. But that does also apply to the idea of modifying the family hauler I suppose. - hoojiwana from Spacedock

@@hoojiwanaBut but... That's the problem with SW worldbuilding. The Millennium Falcon only makes sense in the context of the original trilogy, before anything hinting at "decommissioned warships just lying around" has been established.

@@ThisCanBePronounced In Legends the YT-1300 Corellian light freighter had been out for decades by the time of New Hope. Can't find anything about when it came out in Disney Wars though.

@@ThisCanBePronounced No. Even if the original movie is considered on its own in a vacuum, Luke's first reaction is that it's a piece of junk. The Falcon was old when Solo first got her.

"I’ve always assumed they were more more convenience of bringing freight down planetside without having to drop a huge freighter into the atmosphere." This is correct. Something the size of an Action series or CR90 needs dedicated docks, anything bigger is unlikely to survive a trip to the atmosphere (let alone landing) without being built specifically for that ability, while a light freighter can land as long as the area is roughly flat.

Yup, this is all 100% correct. Almost all the ships on the list were build by the CEC and were designed to be customizable for 'wink and a nod' transporting cargo.

Correct except for the Old Republic thing. Pirates were actually so bad in the outer rim in its last days, as there wasn't a proper military to patrol it, the Republic let the Trade Federation have a defacto army for the purpose of escorting and pirate hunting (which also explains what's going on at Naboo: The Trade Federation is well aware they have more military might than the Republic at that point and trying to extort its way to lower taxes and having their way in contract disputes)

I was JUST about to say... What can a freighter be? Hmmm... C-130 AC-130 DC-130 EC-130 EC-130H Compass Call HC-130 KC-130 LC-130 MC-130 RC-130 WC-130 C-130J Super Hercules

It's terrifying only if your country has zero or near-zero anti air defences, and at that point you should be terrified in general and go live in the woods. The Spectre is just a slow propeller cargo plane with artillery cannons on the side. Same situation as the A10 aka the Brrrt plane. It's very cool but it's still getting shredded by air force or any decent air defence from the 80s onwards. A "gunship" in modern terms is an attack helicopter.

Honestly I'd be considerably less terrified if I spotted a hostile one overhead, because if I'm seeing it then I know that it's not shooting at me.

Well actually the lore for those two ship classes is that they were designed to carry essentially a few very high value or very important items very fast essentially like an express delivery