It’s treason then….

My opinion: characters having weaknesses doesn’t diminish their strengths unless it directly conflicts with their ability to utilize said strengths. As an example Tulak Hord, if his legend is accurate, is probably the best lightsaber duelist ever and he died from getting literally stabbed in the back. If he had fought his assassin head on he would have won. This makes his strength unquestionable even while his weakness was exploited.

4:46 “…and in one sequence, the Starkiller clone even manages to telekinetically manipulate an entire Star Destroyer on Cato Neimoidia.” It was actually the original StarKiller who brought down that ISD with the force. And that was on Raxus Prime, not Cato Neimoidia.

Eating a planet, Pulling yourself together through hate, shifting from body to body but heaven forbid a single ship is yanked down from the clouds. A feat Vader or Post Endor Luke could pull off if they wanted.

Starkiller was only 19 years when he “guided” that Star destroyer into the ground. An impressive feat none the less. Edit: there’s no direct answer sadly. Someone say 17, others say 20. I’m sticking with age 19 as a medium choice. And NO, Galen Marek is NOT a grey Jedi.

Geetsly's: "Do you seriously believe your own hype that much?" Starkiller: *"I AM THE HYPE!!!"*

He is very powerful, just as Vader, Yoda, Luke, Palpatine, etc were very powerful. He's not OP, he's not weak. He did *not pull a Star Destroyer out of the sky,* he just redirected it. Powerful, but not OP. He was raw power, but somewhat unfocused. He was like a grenade. Raw power, but no single direction. Idk why people either say he's weak or he's overpowered, when the truth is in between.

Force Users are pretty nuts, we really don't see that in movies because there's not that many force users around in the time of the Empire, mostly because Palpatine didn't want competition. In the last days of the Old Republic, the Jedi had lost a step or two since their glory days and the Sith were laying low. Certainly nothing like Naga Sadow or Darth Bane achieved. Sadow and his Meditation Sphere could turn the course of wars and Bane once kept himself perfectly dry during a torrential rainstorm using only his lightsaber to block each raindrop.

In the 2D Clone Wars cartoon, Yoda used the force to knock two Trade Federation Landing Ships together. While Starkiller's force feats are visually cool, Yoda displayed the more impressive telekinetic feat during the Battle of Coruscant.

Starkiller: I can yeet an entire spacecraft of epic proportions to my feet! Yoda: Compensating for something you are?

Remember the Nomad comic serious? The antagonist, Lycan, was a dark Jedi who killed an entire casino at once by crushing their arteries. That always struck me as far more impressive.

I'm here after the video has only been up for 3 minutes, I haven't finished the video. I'm just here to say that Rahm Kota is the most based Jedi of all time. That is all.

Ooh some people might get pissed off because of the video title.

Starkiller was Old Republic kind of power. Unfortunately the Jedi of the Clone Wars were not as powerful as them so while Starkiller is indeed powerful for his time, he would be kinda overshadowed by Old Republic era Jedi and Sith

Naga Sadow caused supernovas, Tulak Hord brought down ships from orbit, Vitiate and Darth Nihilus were walking apocalipses and things keep going on... Force sensitives in the true canon are capable of impressive feats that makes Starkiller not overpowered, just powered.

100% agreed...He was extremely overpowered too. The power input of a hypermatter reactor of an ISD is enough to keep it safe from some force user. They could had put all power to frontal shields, hold a hover pattern and turn the ship hard to port while the dude cooks his brains trying to force it down.

3:33 While I can’t say exactly what the ultimate fate of ‘Subject 1138’ is, I can say with confidence that I believe his story did continue after the Force Unleashed 2, where he would eventually realize that he *is* the original Galen Marek.

Idk how truthful this is but I heard Starkiller had like the same Midichlorians count as Obi Wan

Okay but can we say he would decimate the people in the new star wars movies

Still pulling a big ass spaceship is pretty impressive

I am surprised this is still a discussion. Starkiller never brought down a star destroyer, the thing was already falling, what he did was redirect it so it wouldn’t land in him XD.

The only thing he said I agreed with is power and strength is a matter of perspective. While he is not wrong how the force works generally works, how many people we see actually pull off what Starkiller has done? It really gets under my skin when someone just tries to downplay the video games the force unleashed 1/2. There's a video on KZfaq where you can watch how the game was made. They literally took notes from Lucas himself to make that game to what it became. Yea StarKiller had weaknesses, if you familiar with the story you know why. Instead of that being respected, it's like the narrator uses that to justify his reasoning on Starkiller not being special. The Force Unleashed series is what made me care about Star Wars. So in turn I explored more of it. It never makes sense to me why these old heads or fans of lore before Starkiller go out their way to minimize Starkiller's achievements. Something about Starkiller to me at least seems to really rub them the wrong way somehow.

This video suddenly gets philosophically deep. I was not here for that

That force lightning tho

Dude saved the Rebellion, punked Vader and stood up to Palpatine AND landed Juno Eclipse. Chad doesn't begin to cover it.

Video Idea: The Worst Planet to live in Star Wars

Starkiller is one of those star wars characters i grew up with, i always liked his character.

10:23: You just defined the "Retroactive Recognition" trope there.

Admittedly he was a bit overpower but that's why we loved The Force Unleashed. We can go crazy with the force and not worry about the details. But as a character Starkiller is a badass and we love him.

It’s just he’s our favorite Sith assassin and most popular

Starkiller: I brought down a ship. Sidious: (Lifts a fleet of thousands of ships out of the ground by raising his hands and not even straining)

“Starkiller? how adorable” - Gabriel Seth

You forget the biggest reason people say he was powerful. Sidious himself said Starkiller had force lightning on par with his own and that if he had lived he would have rivaled Sidious in power. He didn't get to achieve that level of power obviously but had Disney not bought out star wars he could have been way up there.

As a Starkiller stan, I agree with everything said in this video

Starkiller may not have been at the levels of beings like Nihilus, Vitiate, Marka Ragnos, Luke, Anakin pre-Mustafar, or other mega-powered Force-users but he was absolutely one of the strongest Force-wielders in the Galaxy AT THE TIME that he lived. I mean, he literally pulled a Star Destroyer down onto the surface of Raxus Prime, and you can see parts of it blowing up under the sheer strain caused by the engines overworking trying to right the ship. He was trained by Vader, a former Jedi Council member, to kill rebels and Force-wielders, and he arguably only beat Shaak-Ti because of the sheer Dark Side energies all over Felucia. He beat Vader in combat because he knew Vader's fighting style and weaknesses. Palpatine arguably let Starkiller win to try and replace Vader like with Luke later on. Yeah the 2nd game is kinda hokey and Force Unleashed has that "hack and slash" vibe to it but I've never seen Starkiller as super strong or crazy OP, he's a Secret Apprentice of Darth Vader who was born to 2 Jedi parents and raised on Kasshyyk until he was like 8 where he watched everyone he knew die and then was honed into an assassin's blade until he was 18 or 19

As much as I love The Force Unleashed, I've often found myself mentioning in various comments sections that Starkiller is nowhere near as OP as many Sith... especially as the most powerful ancient Sith were able to cause supernovae or drain life from entire planets. Also I think that the Starkiller clone using force lightning to charge a cannon to one shot a Star Destroyer is more OP than TFU1's Star Destroyer feat.

If due to his faith and belief in the Force, Starkiller could redirect the fall of a Star Destroyer, what could Anakin and his bloodline do with that same mental strength? if the number of midichlorians really doesn't determine your potential in the force, I think the importance of the Skywalker bloodline would be unfairly overshadowed

Who did this video? The Star destroyer feat was almost entirely wrong firstly it wasn't the clone who did it, and the location wasn't Cato Namordia it was Raxus Prime

Can you guys do a video on the different rebel cells that Gerrera was talking about?

Oof. I know y’all pissed some ppl off 😂

I headcanon that the Clone, Juno and Kota died on Alderaan, it makes the most sense in absence of TFU 3

What do midichlorians do for the force user if not strengthen their use of the force?

This is a fine addition to the algorithm.

I think the reason why peoples thought he is special is that he went toe-to-toe with Darth Vader and actually beaten him. Unlike the others who simply just confronted him a few times and always ended up either being killed or on the run, Starkiller actually defeated him in combat.

“So you have chosen… death.”

You should do a series of Starkiller vs different characters in star wars

This vid is top tier geetsly

This vid gonna trigger some people...

Force healing is a strict light side ability. The other abilities mentioned are often taught. When comes to taught abilities Galen was more advance then even some sith masters. Anikan and luke having the same midichlorian counts was capable of feats beyond normal. Luke was more well learned than his father in legends therefore became more powerful but there potential was the same.

looking at those game screen of the FU i didn’t know you could blow the troopers around or plates off

Good video

Haha this is a great title. I forgot how goof this channel was tho. I've been wanting to make a video rant about Starkville forever but couldn't get around to replaying force unleashed again

There is a reason he's just in a video game

My headcanon for Starkiller's immense power was he had a unique ability to overload his capacity to channel the Force, at the price of quickly burning out. While he could tap into his full potential at such a young age, that potential was capped. He'll never be a master. Like Maul before him, he was a weapon, but instead of a scalpel, he was a wrecking ball, a blunt instrument.

This video makes good points, but power levels in Star Wars, to whatever extent they actually exist, are purely based on how cool a character is. Thats why Starkiller/Galen is in a league of his own imo

I think this whole discussion of the power of characters revolving around power levels would be quite a good one to have, because it's quite a common occurrence. The idea of power levels feels directly like it comes from a game, where a level 50 player has nothing to fear from level 3 chickens. In this case, seeing as Starkiller is from one, it makes sense why it's so heavily mixed in, but in a lot of cases it feels like this kind of thinking leaks in regardless of are we talking a game or not. Curiously, it leads to a lot of trying to objectively decide who is more powerful than the other, when that usually leads to mostly it being, as per usual, a matter of opinion. The key point is trying to just dress this opinion as an "objective fact." Furthermore, this idea of gamifying power tends to also time to time leak into real life too, which I won't go into much more beyond saying it's not at all a good way of thinking about the world. Backing up a bit, and going into the power scaling of characters, this whole thing is always framed as the level 50 player and the level 3 chicken. Which forgets, that fights (as usually power is linked closely to looking at combat ability, rather than outside of it) are unpredictable chaotic messes, where sure being pretty experienced, well-trained, and all that helps...but it is not any guarantee you are walking off the battlefield intact. Or alive, for that matter. Especially because even trained combatants have off days. Underdogs can pull completely amazing performances, and beat opponents far better than them. Chance and luck can play a part: Even the mightiest warrior who ever lived can't do jack if they happen to during a ferocious fight slip on an inconvenient bit of ice, and get speared through the face during that loss of balance. Fights are not power fantasies after all, and a pack of angry chickens can cause a big time battler to trip off a cliff. Mind you, this aint me saying this way of thinking is bad, or to stop doing it, but merely pondering a bit more upon it. It's all fun and games as long as people are civil about it, and it remains in the realm of fiction. I also wonder, as a writer, apparent as it might be, how much do writers have to do with this way of thinking continuing to prevail? Certainly if power levels keep being brought up there has to be something in the pudding that proves writers are feeding this sort of thinking too. I personally feel the most spice is kept when it's a bit vague on how the power scaling works, or even if it's apparent a character is a powerhouse, there is still plenty of show that underdogs can still take rounds, and that the chaos of battle makes it, so even a lesser opponent can come out on top.

Thank you. Cause I’ve seen polls where people think that Starkiller would be able to rag doll people like Darth Revan, and Mace Windu. Starkiller is the byproduct of Darth Vader course correcting the flaws he made as Anakin. He had Starkiller create a wide skill set, where as Anakin overly focused on a core number of skills that carried him through.

I mean, you can say it’s not about raw power but it’s canon that anakin, luke and the last few Sith Lords had insane midochlorian counts, anakin being around 25k per cell which was insane (average jedi was like 3-5k). Yoda was said to be very high too, qui-gon commenting that anakin was higher than master yoda and seeming very surprised about it. Grogu seems to indicate the same, as he’s just a baby and thus can’t really believe anything to that level yet he’s doing some pretty impressive feats of raw power. I think it’s more fair to say that power is helpful but skill can make up for it, like anything else. People like anakin have a handicap of sorts in their power, his force usage won’t exhaust him as easily and he can more easily accomplish great feats. He isn’t exactly struggling that hard when he conquered two force gods at once. Similarly Darth Palegious (spell check) was specifically bred for natural power in the force by his master and because he was so strong he was able to influence the force itself, changing the nature of it. On the inverse side those of low midichlorian counts could hardly manipulate the force at all, low enough and it was literally impossible. Sure skill helped, surrendering to the will of the force and whatnot, but at the end of the day it’s hard to argue that the strongest force users ever had either really high midichlorian counts or a crutch like nihilius.

*StarkIller* needs to make a Comeback to the "Star Wars" Canon, they gotta give him the DBS Broly Treatment.

Rly good video This channel in general I think "gets" stuff in the same way I do, huge likr. Never been a fan of "power level" discussions. Like "anakin full potential" discussions To me him going into that suit made him way more powerful and able to connect to the dark side then he otherwise would.

I had no idea there was another narrator on this channel

Sadly I'm actually most familiar with him as playing Aiden from being human, lol

Ah, I see what they did with the "Subject 1138" numbering there.

It was just the first time you could actually play how Jedi are portrayed

It makes sense I mean look at the fight between obi wan and anakin. Anakin was way more powerful but obi wan allowed the force to flow through him and guide every move. Awesome video

Don't forget he played aiden in the us version of being human.

Judge me by my size do you. Luke "Did you just talk normal"

i hold the games in a higher regard canon wise because george lucas was WAY more involved in supervising the game, authorizing things being implemented and was involved in creating the story. (eg: he liked and approved of leia to be in the game and to have a section on kashyyk) vs him just allowing the novel to be published that he had no involvement with.

The issue I take with this is that it's in no uncertain terms presenting the notion that the force is only limited by a user's mentality, pretty much all but outright stating that genetics or learned talent or natural affinity don't have any bearing so long as the force user can essentially *want* it strongly enough, and we already, all of us, know that this is just plain downright false. There are dozens of examples that contradict this claim, from Anakin and his latent potential due to being a literal force-conceived child, to Darth Bane and Darth Sidious performing impressive dark side feats as *actual children* without ever having received any training or knowledge of the force. The Nihlus downplay is just denial plain and simple. He is absolutely one of the strongest force wielders in the entire series and only the ignorant would scoff at his ability. Nihlus essentially has a curse. His power is some of the greatest the SW galaxy has seen, with his ability to drain the life of an entire planet being matched by few if any. His dependency on force vampirism however is essentially like a chain on his leg, forcing him to continually seek out and drain the life of things to live. But it needs to be understood that while Nihlus needs to do this to stay alive, it does not stifle his real power and and absolutely doesn't negate his past feats. *TL;DR:* His ability to use force drain on a massive scale with extreme potency isn't removed by his need to use it to live. I know most everyone makes a stinker of a video sometimes, but this one has to be the fattest L I've seen this channel take in a long while. This is not about difference of opinion; Some of the statements made in this video are misleading to plain wrong. It really is one thing to have an opinion but this is not presented as one individual's preference or personal thoughts; this all feels like someone who has personal beef with the power scaling and versus communities and is disguising a passive aggressive rant against them as a faux truth bomb type of video.

Starkiller had a midichlorian count of 22,000, Sidious being at 20,000, I know that it is only his potential in the force but that does give credit to his feats and in fact does make him very special as a force sensitive imo

The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force.

Who is the character with the brute and giant worms?

Casually brings down a Star Destroyer with little effort

Starkiller was a force hound lowkey

For me, the original TFU was one of those games where, IMO, it didn’t need to get a sequel.

Yup

Tbf the point brought up he's a game character, that's the biggest reason you can't compare him to anyone else

This is where the fun begins 😈

THANK YOU! Okay, admittedly I still thought Starkiller was more impressive than he really is, but what I'm grateful towards is you addressing that certain feats don't necessarily correlate to power. Not just in Star Wars, but fiction in general. This is also why I usually don't like taking part in power scaling conversations.

Darth Vader still doesn't want to run my fade

If anyone is the real MVP of power in Star Wars it’s The Emperor or maybe Luke.

Time to see the comments section on fire

This. But Revan.

By this point, S.K. is Replace by Little Ms. "All of the Jedi".

I mean him being able to pull down a destroyer is impressive sure but there are sith who eat entire planets so...

You guys are right, but he’s still my favorite character. As a child, he’s submerged in the dark, but finds his way (with some help) to the light. And he’s super fun and cool to play as in the games.

I think what a lot of people miss about Starkiller is that he was trained purely to be a combative Force wielder. And it shows in the game. He's still powerful don't get me wrong, but he's more limited in his abilities as far as versatility goes.

Starkiller didn’t kill Shaak Ti, Shaak Ti committed suicide.

Galen "Starkiller" Marek is from Legends/Expanded Universe. he outright pulled that Star Destroyer out of the sky, he also enhanced an experimental weapon on a Nebulon B frigate, to the point that it cracked a Star Destroyer in half with one shot, to name a few interesting things about him. Legends/Expanded Universe is the *official* Star Wars. what Disney says is "canon" is nothing but a knock off so bad, it'd be better to watch the Sharknado movies. not to mention that they've been stealing artwork from fans, not paying the authors of Star Wars books, stealing material from Legends, to name a few of their crimes. Legends is tried and true, a classic. Disney's "canon" is a one of those brand new products that doesn't work.

Im'a hafta direft you to the two books about TTU, where all those exploits were dead canonized.

so you're telling me that the force is basically the greater waghhhh?!?!?

Alright buddy I'm here ready to fight

I thought the cannon ending of SWFU2 was where you get stabbed in the back by another Star Killer clone, who I always assumed Vader had disposed of later, deeming him too big of a risk to keep with his original plan.

Really wish he would be brought into canon with a sliding altered story. But also don't want the charger to be nerfed.. so maybe leave him out of canon

He didn't learn force healing because it's not something Sith can do, let alone teach others how to do.

It’s been long overdue for force unleashed 3

4:46 That wasnt the clone that was Starkiller...

I think it's a mixture of both belief and power. Only someone strong enough with the force and so connected to the dark side could get powerful enough to pull a star destroyer down. Yoda being Jedi probably couldn't only because it would take falling to the dark side to unlock that kind of raw power. Its been a long time so i forget the exact reason he pulled it down. But if I remember right he was in a lot of emotional pain and suffering when he pulled it down. He channeled so much through the dark side that he could do something no one else has, even if they could given a similar situation.

Hes one of the few sith not to have yellow eyes, the only force user I know of to use force repluse and can produce archs of lightning from his lightsabers, also he defeated vader twice, came close to killing one of the most powerful siths ever so without a doubt in my mind one of the most powerful force users and XD ok I'll give you that he's cool causes he's voiced by that actor.

Witwer was also in Dexter