Pin update bc some ppl are confused: this video was made in response to the increasingly wild reasons ppl were giving for not liking Rae (& by extension the comic) but never elaborated on or provided receipts for. I decided to take two list that had most of these claims & either go “yeah there’s no proof this happened” or “yeah this happened”. I personally don’t give a shit abt Rae tbh! This vid was just me looking into the insane controversy around him. Additionally the video is literally titled “creator controversy” idk why some ppl thought this would be comic centered 💀finally: stop purposefully misgendering him in the comments like?? I’m not w the transphobic shit idc if u like him or not. Peace and love 🫶🏽

I like that the homophobic dog is just hanging out in the background

Shipping real people is just weird. I don’t care what you ship as long as it’s fiction and not real people who can potentially be affected by the content.

this is probably the most informative video about the creator of boyfriends that ive seen so far thank you for making this

can’t believe i found out the creator of boyfriends made weird jungkook content + a myriad of other weird things via a youtube video essay like 😭 ?? anyways can’t wait for part 2 !!!

This is why Heartstopper has way more good reputation than Boyfriends. I haven’t fully watched it or read it yet, however it has good representation. Especially it isn’t exclusive to gay couples as well. It also has lesbian and straight couples.

as an indonesian highschooler here, i want to unfortunately say slurs are often normalized- made for jokes here and most people are uneducated about slur-claiming.. such as the N word is made a joke (i've heard it so much around the students), not to forget the immense LGBTQ+ hate around here are made to jokes/insults and it's just so disheartening to hear it everyday as a bi and genderfluid person. ahh, proshipping is also made to a joke here with people enjoying l/li content like it's a normal thing 💀

As an asian person who interacts with Asian online and irl communities I can confirm, the n-word, cultural appropriation, etc is taken extremely lightly in most all cases (especially middle-high school). Dreadlocks, blaccents, gang culture is often just associated with being “hip”, “cool” and “American”. The n-word is usually chalked down to a joke. This is part of the reason why you’ll see so much appropriation in K-pop, c-pop, and indo pop.

When you said the n-word I was so shocked cause I’ve always watched non black people talk about this so when you did my thought process was “WAIT SHE JUST SAID THE- oh she’s black nvm”

THANK YOU, I've been noticing non black people on either side saying everything to defend him and tell US to forgive and forget

Omg, yes, I hate it so much when people I know use the n-word like it's nothing. I'm from south america, so many of them really don't speak english or are never planning to learn about USA culture, but I find it so upsetting knowing that they are in no position of using that slur even if they mean no wrong with it.

Look, I’ll ship characters, i won’t get into ship wars, and don’t harass people of they don’t like the characters i ship, but literally making NSFW content of minors and abusive relationships are…that goes too far.

This was really informative, thank you!!! I've just been watching slander videos of this Webtoon, glad people are talking about it more honestly and logically.

Webtoons actually has a rule where you can’t draw smut of minors (even on the side) or else your work will be terminated. So I’m not surprised Ray deleted all his accounts alluding to proshipping and smut of kids.

Me watching this being named ray and trying to ignore the defamation of my name 💀

Regarding the N-word, mostly mentioning this because it's a common issue in many places: First off, this is not to say in any way that the n-word is not a harmful word, nor am I explaining this with the intent of advocating for non-black people to use it. I am Latine, and while I am not defending the creator, I am making a note that this is not just applicable to Spanish-speakers in Latin America, but most non-English countries especially. I am also almost graduating in English-teaching and linguistics. Now, this term is a very English-language term, most often related to the US. This already causes issue with non-English speakers who learn English from unreliable sources or social spaces, as there isn't always someone there, *from the specific group related to the term* to tell you "oh, btw, only we can say this word, not you, because it's a slur/reclaimed slur/closed-cultural term (talking about general situations, not just the n-word)" (this is very simplified, I'm not saying this is word for word how it should be said). Many times we interact with black people from the US and we pick up the term because we just pick up conversational words for when we're talking with them, and to many of us, no one ever told us what said word means, nor how it would be harmful to use it. In Latinamerican countries, to this day, little kids, teenagers, adults, old people, will say it without ever thinking it means anything wrong, but rather as a synonym to "friend", as most times they have seen black creators using it in said context. There's even the bizarre situation where one person I know who's almost 60 by now would use it as a greeting because he picked it up from watching the movie Rush Hour, where Jackie Chan says it in a scene. This person believed that the reaction of Jackie Chan saying it in the scene, by the black characters in said scene was just an accent gag of "foreign person trying to pronounce casual English" and was not a bad intention to say the n-word. When corrected or called out for this, a lot of people fail to understand the problem right away because a lot of the time, the person correcting/calling out is using a US point of view, which includes the explicit knowledge of why it's a harmful term, while the other person doesn't have the knowledge that can make the connection between the term and racism. Not only that, in many places (at least in Latin America), calling dark-skinned people "negro" *(the literal Spanish word for the color black)* or "moreno" (word that refers to someone of dark-skin/tan-skin) is a term of endearment, and everyone says it, not just dark-skinned people. Again, it's an *endearment* term, like calling someone "honey/ sweetheart/ babe/ darling" and it makes the confusion about why the n-word is bad even bigger. I've heard some people in their 20's, genuinely not understanding why US people get mad at them for even using the Spanish word when referring to their partners or even their children, as to them it has never had a negative connotation. Now, going back to the subject itself, I do not know about how the influence of English-spoken content works in Indonesia. I know how it works in Latin America. So this could be a very different context. But given that Indonesia is not a predominantly English-speaking country, there's little space for correction outside of the internet in young people who use the word because they saw it on the internet out of a negative/closed context and without prior knowledge of it.

I used to use the word trap a lot during my late teens/early young adult life, especially since people in the anime community were using this term a lot. No one told me how offensive it was (they would just avoid talking to me) until I saw videos like this. I wish people would be more open on correcting people with words and terms instead of getting angry and avoiding them

hey! Indonesian here. to clarify; I am not trying to excuse or defend Ray's actions since i am not black. antiblackness and colorism is very normalized here until nowadays to the point where it's considered as a "joke", and so as someone who is raised from indonesia, the n-word is sadly very normalized here. I keep hearing my classmates going around saying SPECIFICALLY the n-word when i was around 7-9th grade. even there was a time my teacher had told me that he was bullied when he was younger for being "too dark". so I think it's no surprising that ray had said the n-word, yet i can confirm that this is a very ignorant behaviour.

I cant believe i share the same country as the creator of boyfriend 💀 This is not a defend to the creator but im Indonesians myself and i get why the boyfriend is so stereotypical and why the creator had some bad reputation. lgbt representation isnt the best here, if you ask anyone here what do they think lgbt are the first thing they say is probably sex driven cult, and it doesn't help that the majority are islamic (they even ignored the main thing about islam, being kind to each other even if theyre nonmuslim...) so my theory (probably not true) is that the creator was a mlm or "shoujou" and find slurs that are commonly used near their school and though they were "cool" and "trendy" (i cannot tell you how much racist shit i had to endure from my classmate that has joke about or said, i was guilty of this too but thankfully at that time i didnt post my bigoted thoughts online lol) Though it doesn't really make sense why boyfriend is like that today, i assumed the creator has learned their lesson since the allegations was years ago and tried to make a more realistic approach of the topic but i guess they just like making gay boys uwu'ing

As a trans guy who just found this video now, I've encountered some mixed feelings about the "femboy" thing. Some embrace it and even present in a feminine way, which I'm like "do you, boo" about. But it's not for me and anyone trying to even nudge me in that direction is going to face serious pushback.

i don't really understand how people are okay with this comic , i like read it because it looks cute and somehow it made me feel worse about my sexuality and all

Dude this is your FIRST video??? it's so well constructed and articulate!! crazy

Can't believe that he's been accused of being/doing all of these things and most of the accusations are backed up with proof (at least some of them have proof)

The dog in the background really brings in the mood to this video 😭I really hope to see more if your type of commentary soo

Weighing in with my two cents as a trans person! From what I've seen, the general consensus is that tr*p is a transmisogynistic slur, while femboy can be a somewhat derogatory term but isn't quite as bad? Great video talking about the controversy, though!

14:49 femboy isn’t offensive typically, it’s something a lot of queer people, including trans people, identify with. Tr*p is def a slur but some trans fems have reclaimed it. It’s def a nuanced topic but it is def not good to call people these things when they don’t call themselves that. One being a slur and the other isn’t good cuz if you call a trans fem a femboy when they don’t ever call themselves that you’re essentially just misgendering them

The biggest problem I have w WEBTOON is the terrible poly representation, which just portrays poly relationships as ‘cheating’

As an Indonesian student, the use of the n-word is SUPER normalized here to the point where it's normal daily things to hear a kid shout it in the middle of my class, in front of a teacher no less The racism and lgbtq-phobia is also super casual here like I'm half-chinese and kids would constantly shout "hey Chinese" to each other as a joke (one time I'm pretty sure one of them called me Chinese because I finished a test early and he got scolded by the teacher) for context, the way the kids use Chinese or "Cina" in Indonesian is as in a derogatory manner similar to racial slurs and one of my friends stopped playing Minecraft due to a lot of queer people playing it (which made me feel super weird because I'm closeted straight-passing) And from the comments I assume this is also present in other schools

Perspective from a gay man here: I made comments a few months back about how fetishistic and stereotypical the comic is, and I faced nothing but harassment from the fans. I don't know why we're still not at the point where we can hear out people's criticism even if it differs in opinion from our own. Especially when the only reason people start to criticize something is that it's become popular or trendy to do so. Why can't people hear us out before it's a trend? It really doesn't help that most of the viewers of media like this are cis, str8 women. They refuse to listen to queer people who find something disrespectful, even when it's offensive. I guess because they'll never quite understand what that's like. And it's so much more disappointing to see this kind of behavior coming from a fellow queer man.

i want to say as someone who's born and raised in Indonesia, yeah he could've know better, true that a lot of people are ignorant about the word but they still know the word is an insult in someway, also our education system doesn't really say anything about black people and slurs but we have access to the internet which where a lot of people know the word from and so i really feel like that should say enough, sorry if it's worded badly doe just wanted to say

It's mostly the creator but the boyfriend comic itself isn't bad it's just cheesy and doesn't really have a plot

i'm not trying to defend ray, but most of the issues i have with people being against him comes back to the fact he did bad shit when he was like 14 to 16 years old and they keep calling him out on that even after he apologized. it's like people forget that teenagers are dumbasses and do dumb shit all the time. i did stupid shit too at that age that i just want to forget about now because i've grown up and i'm a different person who knows better. i just hate how the internet acts like people have to be perfect all the time, and if you made a mistake 6 years ago then that means you're still just as shitty of a person now as you were back then.

You're so pretty! Idk how your channel isn't bigger tbh, you seem rlly cool ngl

If anyone is curious, Duchess Celestia has a video about this same topic, however she found screenshots of most of the topics (n-word tweet, proship, fanfiction, other stuff), including an anti-semitist tweet. However, she does not cover the transphobia stuff, so I think watching both of these videos is best.

I've only ever seen femboy in reference to cis dudes who dress feminine. As transmasc, I get the discomfort it might cause, at first I thought it was another derogatory term for trans people until I actually looked it up, but it's just guys in general who dress and act deliberately "girlish". Imagine it as basically the exaggerated guy version of tomboy.

I’m dying at the background by the way this is so good

I feel like a lot of things he did was definitely wrong, and it’s right to call them out. At the same time, I don’t believe he deserves the amount of hate he is getting over his comic. I’ve seen so many comments of gay people saying Ray made them homophobic or they wanted to commit hate crimes against him and his characters. And I can’t help but feel bad for him. I feel like I should point out I’m bi so that people don’t mistake me for a cishet woman defending Ray. I feel like his art is heavily rooted in anime culture, and a lot of the “fetishy scenes” that people hate are meant to be jokes and not taken seriously. Like if one character was being “sexy”, normally it results in another character being a fumbling clutz and runs into a wall, or ironically being unphased by the situation, saying silly stuff like “honey you’ll catch a cold”. I know Boyfriends has been heavily criticized as fetishy but when I read the comics it just seemed like stupid wholesome fluff. It’s a slice of life where a group of lgbt people can be goofy without worrying about homophobia and transphobia. It’s like a fantasy world where their only worry is “do they like me” And it’s one of the first series that I’ve seen that didn’t demonize polygamy but rather tried to show it in a positive light that was opposite to its stereotype. A bunch of guys who are not sex crazed immoral monsters, but instead just cares about one another and wants the best for each other. As someone who constantly gets depressed by the news and seeing so much anti-lgbt related content, I just want to see a bunch of idiots have fun and be happy without worrying about whether they’re going to get hate-crimed for things they can’t control.

Gotta say, while I'm not heavily agreeing with the points you first lay out, I am incredibly impressed with your research and I find your demeanor very ideal for a content creator. I'll be checking out your other videos for sure^^

I can tell so much time and effort went into this video, awesome job :D

Moral Of The Story: Never leave a K pop Stan with a drawing tablet.

Finally! I'm so sick of feeling insane about disliking this comic as a queer person; it seems like some of the only sides I've seen folks take are "this is why all gay media sucks" or "if you don't like this, you're homophobic".

hello! i grew up in indonesia and just saying, ray absolutely knew what the n-slur meant. i don't wanna say "absolutely", but there's a high chance that he did, 90%. the first time I heard that word was in 4th grade, where other kids were throwing it around like it was nothing, and using it degradingly towards darker skinned kids. antiblackness & colorism is still a very big issue in Indonesia, so defending ray by saying "he didn't know any better" just isn't true...

Am i too desensitised to the internets bullshit or this just seems like a very mild controversy? The majority feels like an ignorant kid that didnt know any better and that somehow got a platform big enough to get called out--- idk the serious claims were the racism and the transphobia ones but then even those are pretty mild imo, its not like hes spreading dangerous rhetorics or anything (i know nothing about that guy or the content he makes i just clicked on this video to know what the fuss was all about lmao)

“You mean to tell me this channel doesn’t have a lot of videos and a no 1k subs bullshit this video is high quality”

Apologies from how late I am lol. I'm Indonesian, schools here are horrid when it comes to kids saying slurs and such, and that's from the perspective of someone in a *private school* so I can't even imagine what it would be like for standard public schools. They do prohibit inappropriate behavior, but saying the N slur doesn't have any consequences and is treated equal as any other cuss words even though in the rule book, so technically, it would be prohibited if they cared enough. I assume it's far from how the U.S works since black people are extremely rare to see in Indonesia unless if you're Papuan. TL;DR: Teachers do not care if students use the N slur. They do tell them off, but sexual jokes are still treated as something worse than a *racial slur*. We've been taught to tolerate each other in text books, but most kids don't actually put that into practice and still make racist jokes.

Wow I never knew about this 🤡 I was just curious why no one liked the WEBTOON.

I started reading Boyfriends years ago, way before it became an Original and around the time I first started coming to terms with my sexuality/gender so I really liked it, especially since it was so cute. I was raised hella religious so I had never been allowed to learn anything about LGBTQ and it was basically the only thing I had. That's why I was so excited to see it become an Original and hella confused when everyone started hating on it so violently without explanation. But finally learning all this stuff makes me so sick. I hate this all so much, Boyfriends used to be one of my biggest comfort series but now I'm never going to be able to think about it the same :((

My two cents on the term femboy, as an ftm enby and a guy who presents entirely masculine irl but uses mostly femme/femboy avatars online/in games - gender is weird (and anything that makes cis people confused or mad has my approval). The femboy aesthetic is for any masculine or masculine-adjacent person who wants to rock it. It's a way to acknowledge that you can be masculine and soft, manly and pretty. Clothes are gender expression, not gender identity. Trans women can't be femboys because they're women. (Unless there's at least one trans woman out there who likes to use the term for herself, which is her business and I wouldn't want to speak for her.) But like how hard is it to just respect people's pronouns and respect the terms they may or may not apply to themselves? Idk I'm sleep deprived I hope this makes sense lol Edit: my replies are getting deleted or something so here's an edit. It's bad to call a woman a femboy. It's not bad if a man calls himself a femboy. Words change meaning in different contexts and over time. Every trans woman I've talked to about it thinks that the femboy debate is basically a non-issue. I've only ever seen cishet people try to get people to stop using the word femboy. And with all due respect, it is not cishet people's business.

14:26 femboy is a seperate thing from being transgender

People be like: Don't take it seriously! It's just comedyyyyyy Like bro its FETISHIZING the gays-

Part 2 is out woo!! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mNWBhqSUzNTXkY0.html feel free to watch it after this one for my thoughts on the comic :3

As someone who was a huge fan of the comic, I was honestly was just blind because I thought it was adorable, and now I back 100 steps to take a look at the bigger picture, I felt really uncomfrotable and just stopped reading it, I feel really uncomfrotable and now I bearly read webcomic on webtoons, I just stop reading and got back to my normal life with my friends

I remember when it first was posted i had discovered the webtoon, i was a baby queer still, i genuinely believed it was about a bunch of couples being formed, y'know? Like, it would be a lot of different guys just learning about love, themselves and how to treat others :) and then almost a year later my bsf sent me a video of Prep saying, in a very uncomfortable voice "i want choccy milk". Glad i dodged a bullet.

refrainbow more like refrain from being near me

7:47 That's not what proshipping is. It simply means you are "for shipping". It doesnt mean "problematic shipping".

wait ray was 14 that time???doesnt mean that time he was still in middle school????damn he alredy gone crazy that time..

regarding the n word, as an indonesian myself, most us indonesians mostly boys (in my area atleast) arent really well educated with slurs and such (willing to bet maybe 70% us dont even know what slurs are) even my class mates who r almost 17 still use asian slurs (?) and the n word :/

Just a small point, I think creating nsfw work w/ any real ppl I’d wrong & completely inappropriate. Now, I don’t rlly believe him being 17 is the main issue here. Like you said, he was 15- clearly a child would think “yeah this is fine, I’m a kid too and I do these things” so I don’t think THATS the issue here lol. It would be a huge issue if he were, idk 40 & made content about a 17 year old- but he wasn’t, he was an even younger kid. The issue here should 100% be the creation of nsfw content about real humans. THAT is the issue. I don’t think a child acting out their fantasies (IN THEIR MIND) on another fellow teen character is wrong… like it’s not wrong for a fifteen year old to be sexually attracted to a fifteen year old (NOT REAL CHARACTER LOL) and create content about them.. imo that’s just a space adults should stay out of. Like I’m 23, don’t wanna see that shit- but I won’t shoot down a kid for expressing their personal feelings about a fellow minor character in a show… yk? Seems super gatekeepy to tell a teen they can’t be sexually interested in other teens.

Thank you for compiling all this information together in a short video. You're completely right that its hard to trck community discussion around the author. I also appreciate your investigative follow ups to these claims. There was a lot of thoughtful work put into this and I think its a fantastic debut video :)

Femboy is basically a term that describes a slim and feminine looking guy. It’s not a term directed at trans people.

This is a very well put, very thought out video essay and I highly appreciate you putting all of this information together. ❤

The world needed this video and my mental health needed your shiny lip gloss and awesome gallery wall

Y'ALL THE HOMOPHOBIC DOG IN THE BACKGROUND SENT ME.

This was a REALLY well made video, I can tell you put a lot of work and research into this to make sure you got your main points across, I’ve never really been a fan of the Boyfriends Webtoon because it definitely portrayed stereotypes but also because I’m one of those people that can’t stand high levels of forced cartoony behavior, in short you could say I find it really cringe worthy. Again though, awesome video👏👏👏👏

CLAPPING MY HANDS SO HARD

hi nice video, btw i'm from indonesia, and i agree with you with the school system in my country :v The thing that I don't like the most is that children with talents such as sports and art are not seen much more than children with high grades, although this year there have been changes, but the changes are really not visible. sory my english bad :'v

you need your own podcast. like i got soooo invested with this. thank you for sharing bc i actually had no idea about any of this before i saw this video.

While I agree that saying that racial slur is bad, I think it is unfair to judge an adult for what they said when they were 14 years old, and this goes beyond this specific situation. there are very few situations in which it is fair to judge someone for something they did when they could have been in middle school, and this definitely isn't one of them. People need to remember how they were in middle school/ freshman year of high school and how much they have changed since then.

translation at 11:58 = "Those accusation are out of line, people with no critical thinking, equating fiction = reality to the point of not knowing what is real and what is fake, stay strong ray, :( no need to log in twitter, no need to look at weird accusations, your mental health is first!"

Oh god i really hate how the n-word is so normalized in my country 😔

I will say. femboy I don't see as offensive unless it is specifically used to refer to a trans woman, or a trans man depending on exactly how the trans man expresses their gender identity. I personally think in its current form that femboy is literally just a way to describe more feminine men and stuff. so calling a trans woman one is just as offesive as just calling them a man, and calling a trans man that is bad unless they choose to express themselves in a more feminine way. However trap is just not a good word to use referring to any human whatsoever in my opinion. I personally wouldn't call it a slur or something like that, but trap is a word that literally can't be good, something that is a trap really cannot have good intentions, so calling a trans person a "trap" in this context is just bad, same with calling a femboy a trap or anything like that. This is coming from a trans woman btw (so I can't necessarily speak on how a term like femboy may affect a trans man, but I still felt like I had to mention what my thoughts were on that)

Hi I'm indonesian love your content, coincidencely i was wondering about the bts incident but too lazy to find out about it 😅, but hey found ur video in the youtube recommendation. Ok so about what he said the n word. It just maybe he doesn't understand and just follow something that foreigner use. I know this since some of friend weren't that quite knowledgeable about foreignword and they just thought it was cool or something. And if the teacher hear this, it depends... since not everyone here speak english also the teacher is really old so many of them don't understand. But you know if ray using sosial media a lot and speak english, supposedly he knew what it means or know that it is a very bad word. Well maybe yes it doesn't carry the same weight in here as much in the US. And the fact that indonesian is multicultural (many races, language, religion, etc) there are many people who are black there, he should know better. But yeah that just what i know and what i think, sorry if there are grammar mistakes but i hope this helps. 😁

Your content is so good! I subed to you already. Can't wait for part two!

The fact that most people I've known and most celebrities I've seen have done significantly worse than this and not gotten on half the backlash really makes me think. Freaking, Game Grumps use the N word like five times and no one ever said anything. By the way I am black so don't act like this is just an excuse from a non- black person.

Trans guy here! "Trap" is def a pretty nasty word in the community, but femboy is pretty common to see thrown around everywhere so I wouldn't say it's offensive (imo at least). It's more of an aesthetic than anything bad, and even trans men can call themselves femboys. I myself am more femboy than big strong manly man, it's just how I display myself.

I'm so glad I found this video. I am so enlightened now,thank you so much !!

loved the video! it was super informative! tiny suggestion tho, maybe it would've been better to mention that it's a possibility that rey might just not give a shit abt the entire pro/anti discourse..? i've seen a lot of people online who people would categorize as a proship when in reality they barely involve themself in the community -they just get grouped as one bcs they don't outwardly state that they're an anti or have a nonchalant attitude abt the entire debate (while also avoiding the content ppl would typically associate w proshippers like inc*st etc). even if he was involved in the past for real, i think mentioning that a gray area also exists in pro/anti discourse exist would make that specific section of the video more neutral! but if you disagree of course that's completely your right to do so!

i can speak on pretty much everything here except the n-word. my main take away from the controversy is that, while the creator has done some Not Good things, i think the general hate the comic gets for being “stereotypical” is poor media literacy. the point of the comic is that the characters are four stereotypes. all other criticisms seem to be warranted, but a lot of people demonizing the comic are actually just talking about their media tastes and not the real issues with it.

I just recently found your channel and i'm really enjoying your videos! The design/frames of those glasses look so great on you!! 🌻

i came into this knowing absolutely nothing about this webtoon but clicking on the video because u looked pretty in the thumbnail. now i'm obsessed with this controversy and the bad shit about this comic

im not even a minute in and i want to subscribe already 😭😭 you have like this really nice vibe 🫶

As someone who is an Indonesian and generally pretty active on social media since elementary, I just learnt the N-word is a slur 2 years ago from twitter. Most Indonesian will probably tell you that the N-word is just a slang in English to call black people. They don't know it's racist to call black people that. To also add context, most Indonesian can't speak English. They learn it in school but never venture far from that, just the formal stuff like grammar, vocab, etc, never the culture or historical nuance. Ray is 14 when he said that, idk I feel like cut him some slack? I also think you got proshipping definition a bit wrong? People can dislike problematic stuff and still be a proshipper bcs proshipper from what I've read is basically someone who doesn't attack (sending threats, doxxing, etc) other people for what they like, in short if you don't like it, walk away.

As said that's really first video explaining the problems with the creator and I'm really glad you made it. But I really recommend you blur or censor words like 4buse or s3x because KZfaq can be weird sometimes and may strike you for that.

You're so underrated!!! I really hope your account will get more attention!!!

The pro shipping thing kind of irks me because ppl don’t realize how much brainrot is on both sides of that discourse. I hate pro shippers and antis because both sides are pretty toxic actually. Pro shippers act like no fiction is harmful and like having a critical eye is bad, ignoring the fact that fiction has been used to dehumanize and hurt marginalized ppl since forever. They pretty much see any criticism as bad and oppressive despite how valid it might be. Anti shippers pretty much harass anyone who ships anything that isn't the most pure and unproblematic thing under the sun. They accuse irl ppl of being p*ds for age gap ships and go much farther than just hating immoral things. They like to feel morally superior whilst actually hurting irl ppl and not actually doing anything about real victims of abuse. Basically, they’re slacktivists, the worst type of twitter person. To be honest alot of ppl go down the proship pipeline because they were harassed by antis for a ship that sometimes is toxic at best, antis continue to broaden the criteria for what is unforgivable and problematic to the point that relatively harmless ships get roped in. Imo ppl should be able to explore more toxic parts of relationships under the safety of fiction but should also not internalize everything they consume. Art is complicated, it should be consumed with nuance. I personally think the author falls more under the extreme part of proshipping, he probably is using it to excuse his interest in fetishizing irl ppl (which quite literally blurs the line of fiction and reality) so I understand why him possibly being pro shipper is questionable. Btw I think you should watch Princess Weekes(sp?) video on pro and anti shipping. I feel like ppl have a bias against proshipping and tend to be unaware of or minimize just how batshit and toxic antis are as well. She has a nuanced perspective that I think highlights why both sides suck in their own way.

I don’t care if the creator was a minor when he did the bts comic that’s still gross and I got so tired of so many videos saying he was a minor so he didn’t know but are forgetting that they’re real people?? I don’t trust his apology but that’s just me

I been trying to find something video explaining the situation so thanks for creating this 😭

You know in movies how they hear something then do a spit take? I had that moment, thankfully while still taking my sip when you mentioned the technical cp creation Edit: Hey Im glad I wasnt drinking anything when the slur came up. I dont know why, but i think your casual tone and way of speaking makes each thing hit like a damn bus.

7:30 Woah there, wasn't expecting a little bit of racism here. 😳

First video of I’ve seen of yours and I can already tell I’ll be binging your videos

so happy to see someone mention the actual past of the creator and not not just the webtoon itself

Great video I would just like to say that the word trap is not just used to refer to male characters who just like dressing fem it is also very often used to refer to characters who are actually canonly trans girls/women or heavily coded to be for example the characters grell from black butler and alluka from hunter x hunter are both canoncially trans but a lot of people in fandom still refer to them as traps

As an Indonesian, the use of the n word is like almost normalized.. and when people call it out, the people that call it out get called sensitive or whatever, Indonesians especially the younger boys just love using slurs for some reason??? I dont know of theyre not educated enough or they just like to say offensive shit, and when they get called out for it they claim that its just a joke or its "dark humor" when theyre just saying slurs that they have no right to say. (honestly this video was a bit annoying to watch because like half of the stuff in the video couldnt even be confirmed to be true but okay😭.)

That's a really good video. Tbh I'm not surprised that someone who made characters that stereotypical also enjoy all of that stuff. It's worth mentioning that I got spooked when I opened your video because my brain immediately decided you have two really big and bright eyes instead of the reflection in your glasses and I find it stupidly funny

Off topic about the vid, but your channel is really interesting! I find it interesting because I like watching people talk about stuff and that's what I dream about doing when I start making vids!

Near 7:28. I agree you don’t have to support him if you don’t want. But, in my opinion. As a black person Ray or Rey was a minor at the time. 2013-2018 was a fever dream/very different time then now. Rey has apologized/taken accountability for their actions regarding slurs, CP accusations, and drama. I, as a black person forgive him as a lot of those accusations are back when people would throw it around mainly minors/ignorant people/thinking it’s meme material. Yes, it’s wrong but I’m not gonna Drag someone for something they’ve apologized for that happened years ago. That’s just me tho if you have a different opinion that’s fine.

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I had no idea. I read it while waiting for new episodes of take off to come out. Damn this is crazy

Been looking on twitter to find the drama to no avail. Good video keep it up!

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