"Myers Briggs is always positive" My type is literally associated with Hitler and Bin Laden.

yes the test isn't meaningless yet a lot of people don't know how to use it and just use stereotypes in harmful ways...

Everyone should also remember that Wright Brothers weren't scientists or engineers but still they invented airplanes

The Vox argument is poor, and this rebuttal is also poor.

Nobody in their right mind makes an INTP a manager. Sincerely, INTJ

MBTI Helped me a lot with understanding why I do what I do. It helped me a lot with personal growth, I most certainly don’t think it’s useless

It's not that it can't be personally valuable, it's just not scientifically valid or reliable. And it is true that almost all licensed clinicians do not use this test for that reason. MBTI was good for it's time but there are now better, more objective measures of personality such as OCEAN which are derived from factor analysis.

I think a great place to start is the book gifts differing by Isabel Briggs Myers, she addresses all of Vox’s critiques and backs up the theory with a multitude of statistically sound studies. She really fleshes out the entire theory and goes into ALL of the cognitive functions. The argument that they aren’t from academia so they have nothing useful to say says more about academia than it does about the theory itself and the fact that Vox uses that as a point is elitist. Vox has a history of simmering down a complex argument with intricate nuances to a quirky little video that definitively rejects a theory based on flawed logic to appeal to someone performing a google search such as “MBTI Bad” and give them what they think is ammunition to make their point. Before accepting any overarching theory it’s important to do one’s own open source reasearch. I’m going to leave this comment on the Vox video to see what happens.

Selfish, lazy and mean - *Laughs in ENTP*

The 50% different results not only can mean the test takers' mindset can be flawed, but the "totally different type" could simply be the difference of one letter which could have been close to the center both times. So, in all likelihood, the each of the 50% that were different, could have been 90% the same, but a balanced/ centered binary shifted over slightly.

I remember reading this article when it was published. I was really irritated at the arrogant pontification of their shallow depth in research.

So this entire channel started out as a diss video for Vox? *subs* :)

no kidding but this video was really funny

Love your sense of humor! And nobody watching the video will ever forget the term “cognitive functions (unless, perhaps, he gets started on a second bottle...).

R.I.P headphone listeners at 6:45 bless your hearts!

who else actually did the drinking game?

I love this video! I’m so glad you made this and the worst part is that there are people who believe the Vox video and assume it’s fake info. What’s ironic is arrogant types trust the Vox info immediately like ESTJs and ENTJs. Thomas Frank on his website got ENTJ and used this Vox video and site as a research. But of course some ENTJs are arrogant and work all day and don’t have time to do further research. This video shows that Vox is run by people who don’t do depth research. You can learn a lot about yourself with MBTI and it’s helped me find careers and choices. So it’s not “worthless.” I think people who call it worthless are arrogant themselves because they completely ignore it’s helped MILLIONS of people find jobs and paths in life. It’s just ESTJs and ISTJs and ENTJs believe they know it all so they don’t believe in MBTI. I’m glad you pointed this out. The MBTI has helped me and my friend get better communication and now we are building a website and writing stories and I picked programming because I got INTP and I love it. My friend is ENFJ and because I studied his cognitive functions we can now talk about book ideas much better. So it definitely improves communication and thank you for making this

those questions are not a Test. Questionnaire would be more accurate. a (Ti) comment

I can testify for the "job" part as an INFJ who hated even the idea of teaching people anything. I always used to say that "teacher is the last thing I will ever be". Well look at me now, I'm pretty happy as a teacher and working my way towards becoming a therapist. So yeah, both teaching and helping professions turned out to be good for me, but ONLY when I sorted out my mental issues which led me to think otherwise and generally not be myself in many regards

As an enfj the mbti test gave me an explanation as to why my personality changes so much around different types of people and that was CERTAINTLY not totally meaningless and invaluable

I'm so glad you made this video, my friend was arguing that it WAS meaningless, even though he knows not to trust Vox. This has educated both of us greatly

People who don't like mbti do seem to prefer type systems that classify people along a good-bad or healthy-pathological binary, which might be helpful to a therapist, but less so to the average person, and binary thinking does also seem to be a cognitive bias

what's ironic is that people saying "DoN't BoX mE iNtO a PeRsOnAlItY tYpE" actually narrows it down more

I find 16 personalities does a good job in highlighting the weaknesses of a type, and I find weaknesses to actually be a far better way to be sure of a person's type. Positives are too applicable and malleable, but negatives tend to be more specific.

I agree with you for the most part, but I don't believe the 16Personalities website was a particularly good example to use to argue the complexity of the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator Theory. The 16Personalities website is actually based on the Big Five Personality Assessment, not the cognitive functions. That's why you're assigned an A (for Assertive) or a T (for Turbulent) at the end of your personality designation, as you would be in the Big Five Personality Assessment. I don't believe it offers (or that it can, by very nature of not being based on the cognitive functions) an extensive distinction between, for example, the different types of feeling (Introverted Feeling (Fi) and Extraverted Feeling (Fe)). Without learning about the nuances of both Introverted and Extraverted feeling (and of Introverted and Extraverted Thinking), and the qualities their dominant users typically embody, it was fairly easy to confuse myself for a Feeling type based on the results of the 16Personalities assessment, as I would sometimes get a Feeling type designation from it. The 16Personalities assessments is also primarily based on the behaviors you embody, not your preferences of going about life. As a Perceiving type, I have definitely had to orient myself in ways more associated with Judging types to get by and survive in my work environment. When left to my own devices, I am not this way, and the 16Personalities assessment can't necessarily account for the complexities of different environmental situations at any given time. So, theoretically, if you are orienting yourself that is not your preferred way of being for the majority of your time out of necessity, the assessment won't accurately assess your personality type designation either. You could argue this is the fault of the test-taker and not the test-maker, but, as stated before, this personality assessment (16Personalities) is based on behavior, not preferences, as designated by the cognitive functions. Only by gaining a holistic understanding of ourselves and of the functions can we come to the right conclusions, and any given test (not just 16Personalities) can only offer so much insight. I would say it's better to first look into the preferences and cognitive functions to type yourself, then taking personality tests to confirm your conclusions.

The Myers Briggs helped me realize that I was being an unhealthy INTJ. It also helped me empathize with my family and got us through some issues I was having with socializing. The test is totally not meaningless.

The concept isn't the test! A test can be shitty. That doesn't mean that we don't have natural preferences for cognitive functions which result in predictable behaviors.

btw, the MBTI is just an american cultural phenomenon. In europe (I live in germany), no one ever brings it up as something important. No recruiter uses it. Not even instagram girlies identify with it. And, more importantly: It plays no role in psychology research or therapy.

This was an amazing commentary video! Awesome Creation!

I wonder what made vox so against the test. I feel like one of the managers took the test and didn't like his results.

It's a bs test for entertainment. Some people are so gullible.

I'm not saying that its useless, but what about neurodivergent ppl? Things like autism fundamentally change how ppl's brains work, if a personality classification does not account for this then it needs to be updated.

Their main argument isn’t that the test was made by non-specialists. The main argument is that peoples’ personalities don’t fall into those categories consistently. Also, statistically, most people will be between the extremes but the test paints test takers as existing on the fringes. And the main issue is that employers use these tests in ways it was never meant to be used.

Not going to Tumbler should be the standard mode for humanity.

I literally took the quiz in school to put in a portfolio? Yes... education is know for putting things that have no logical making behind it before throwing it in there... I swear these are so stupid

I've taken the test several times on several different websites. I usually only get INFJ. But once I got ENFP and INFP. This doesn't disprove the test or it's usefulness. These are all types that share common traits.

No psychologist uses the MBTI. The big Five predict can predict a person much better then the MBTI. This should settle it.

My MBTI test told me I'm a supervillian (INTJ) :)

Awesome videos. Also, it's worth mentioning that the personality types point to the behavioral patterns you would be most willing to exhibit, and have nothing to do with out actual personalities (or "unique" factor). Two ENFP's for example, might have the same COGNITIVE FUNCTIONS but have completely different personalities.

Can anyone here share an academic paper that agrees with the test? That is all you would need in this video.

Is this the 50 page questionnaire I have to take in college? Good times. **shudder** I got INTP.

You're entire argumentation consists of: "actually, nuh uh", "i don't think so" or "this isn't important". If there's actually something to the MBTI, you've done a god awful job at defending it

"They just pulled it out of the ... air". I expected a different word here:))

Tumblr posts as sources 🤣. I am laughing. Thank you! I loOoveEe your opinion! This contains sarcastic humor too though which i like the most.

This is absolutely well done!! COGNITIVE FUNCTIONS!!

Hahahahahaha "it is only the official version" hahaha thats his critique. Im dying

I always get something different Intj,intp,entj and isfp like wtf?

I decided to test the authenticity of this test. So I've taken it 4 times over 3 years and always got the same result , INTJ. (No, I don't have eidetic memory and had forgotten the questions each time I did a re-test.)

You mentioned and used 16personalities to support your arguements- would you say that's your personal choice? Or is there one you recommend more? Do you think the 16personalities test is at least good? Appreciate the input and loved the video

It doesn't mean shit to tree .

Thank You!!!!!! I thought I was going to have to do this myself! Very good! You caught most of the points I would have too. The only thing needed is the point that Big 5 is the same thing, and why it's acceptable yet MBTI is not.

"Think stuff through don't force stuff through" Amen Brother

do you not think the big 5 is a better model than the myers-briggs?

As a psychologist student i would love so much to have a discussion with you about this Carsten... I find you entertaining but i think most of the arguments you are bringing are pretty shallow and could be defuted or at least discussed within a couple of sentences. So i am really wondering while watching the video whether they would hold up better if you would go more in depth what you mean by certain statements 🤔 Seeing a debate between you and someone who is an MBTI critic would be so interesting. I don't agree with the points you made in the video but it was quite a nice video! ❤

Well I am just gona say that because of the mbti's popularity.it seems legit mbti is just total bs.

Insightful information on these MBTI types! I stumbled upon your channel through the KZfaq algorithm today. My MBTI channel does the same. Thanks for sharing! 🌟🌟🌟

Why don't you have any sources?

Yes MBTI is not useless...It helps me understand myself better and embrace my personality...

Me, an ENTP watching a devils advocate on a devils advocate

You get your result and then.. And then.. You study your result and the other ones and don't rely simply on the result itself. Come on people THINK! We can take these tests at home as much as you want..

I see this a lot: people critiquing myers-briggs without proper knowledge of myers-briggs.

Also the description of the original video is so weird

"I answer differently to the same questions, and I get different results. Therefore, the test is bad". Suppose you said the same thing taking math tests in school, the exact same test over and over again. You get different results because you gave different answers. Does it not reveal it's not the questions, but your answers that is at fault? In the same way of answering correctly regarding math on a math test, mbti is about you knowing yourself. If you are getting different results, you are either doing it on purpose, or you don't know yourself as much as you think. Not everything the types say is good. I'm on the border of INFJ and INTJ. A functions test, like dlr labs, would reveal that Fe is much higher than Te. A little known fact: many INFJs don't like being INFJs. About 8 times out of ten, it shows INFJ. INFJs tend to be conflict avoidant, unless you threaten something we care deeply about. That implies a lack of physical confidence (inferior Se) in regards to other people (the empathic tendency is likely to blame). No one would say that is a good thing. Their interpretation of something is that it is meant to be good. Something can be good because of X and bad because of Y. Descriptions are only tendencies, not absolutes like some detractors like to make them out to be. If they can't take it seriously, they shouldn't take the results seriously either. My guess is their biases exist prior to taking it. And their distaste for the results is basically confirmations bias.

I always get nearly 50/50 introvert/extravert on all tests and I can't decide myself whether am I one or another, so what conclusion can I reach other than me being somewhere in between? About MBTI: I completed a lot of MBTI tests with different results and also a test on cognitive functions. The latest test, of this year (on 16 personalities site), gave me ENTJ, with I-E again being about 49/51. My temperament (choleric) is associated with ENTJ. I got 77% Te and 74% Fi as my main functions and the test said again I am an ENTJ (though there is no Fi in sight for this type). I read all about this type and mostly it fits, except for one thing: they are not supposed to be emotional, and I am. I still have no idea what type I am but would love to find out. I don't think the test is meaningless, we all want to know more about ourselves and understand ourselves and others better.

i searched for this after watching the vid of vox instantly.

The point about Charles Darwin and Edison was quite weak to be honest. Sure there had been some early work on what we would come to know as evolution by Lamarck in the 18th century but evolutionary biology hadn’t become its own field one could study by the time Darwin was in education. Also, there is much contention over who invented the light bulb as it were so Edison isn’t a great example either

Nice ENTP video u did the job for me!

"Its not even the most reliable *ive heard*" "Please do your research"> Hmm...

They laughed at the Wright Brothers but they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. -Carl Sagan

Dude definitely has a point

i took the test 10 TIMES and i always got INTJ, i just made it a lot of times to see if it was accurate and... yes UPDATE: TEST RESULT ARE NOT 100% ACCURATE i dont know if im intp or intj :((

This underrated video!

I am aware of Jung’s cognitive functions. I am An INFJ. I think I am am primarily Introverted Feeling. How do Identify my auxiliary functions and the inferiors ones? Thinking is my inferior. But I am not sure if there are Extra or Intro.

Rather than typing, I find the MBTI a good guide for analyzing a person's cognitive function-related habits, like, for example, how more likely you are to appreciate and enjoy self-study rather than having someone instruct you, or how more likely you are to prioritize or be more comfortable talking to people first rather than go over pre-existing documents to gather information. They're not there for mumbo jumbo personality predictions but rather to help study human behavior (and, in certain ways, help improve), especially in the COGNITION aspect. Heck, it even helped me understand why my parents tend to bug me whenever they get internet or computer-related hiccups 😆 (they were S-types compared to my extroverted N)

Well done - intj.

What makes the other tests any better? I did tests from the internet not that one you say it's the worst and I get different letters. It's absurd. (I watched the vox video later). If you want your personality explained, of course it's a bad test. If it didn't claim to explain personality and instead a temporal state of mind, maybe it'd make more sense.

Hi there Mr. Macdonald I don't know if you're going to be reading this but I took a test and I am an INFJ and I heard that's rare and just wanted to know your opinion on INFJ's.

The websites do mention weaknesses

Is there any scientific evidence supporting MBTI? I like my type so I hope it's a valid test, but it seems it's a lot of bullshit :(

5:20 Gregor Mendel was a thorough scientist.

Quip: Darwin might have been an amateur in biology but when Darwin was at Edinburgh and Cambridge there practically WASN'T any formal academic profession called "biology". Most people who did what would now be biology were gentlemen botanists: Desmond and Moore's biographhy of Darwin describe a field that was not very much developed. It was more developed in France at the time, but not very much more. Even during Darwin's lifetime the field changed in the direction of professionalization.

I take the one on 16 personalities. I retook it recently and got two new personalities? Maybe I overthought about it since it took me an hour?

I have no personality type.

I took it last year and this year, and got INFP on both.

different personalities have different understandings of other personalities therefor it isn't always valid

Thank you !!

I keep varying every time I do this test, and I always try to answer the most truthfully I can. I have no idea why this happens. I got INTP most times, but often I get INFP or INTJ. I really would like to know why this happens, it's really annoying.

I would say that the test is pretty useless but the theory is quite well thought out (especially the morden updated theory), firstly the theory is rather dialectical (the function axis) and is rather formal in a sense so the function considered are quite natural and general , the theory is cognitive based not behavior based which makes it very hard to use a test to determine, so I think it is also very hard to use, it is extremely easy to misuse it if you aren't well-versed with the theory (it is the case in general for any theory in the psychoanalytic tradition), I recommend people like Micheal Pierce if you actually want to understand the theory, I do think the theory has potential and can be made scientific given care (I believe some people are doing this)

I think one of the problems with type dynamics is, there are so much false dichotomies in it. Why can't, for example, being efficient and systematic (Te) coexist with being polite and people-liking (Fe)? Why can't being analytical (Ti) coexist with being good at details (Si)?

So basically, what theyre saying is MBTI is bad because capitalism😒

All I wanna know is why are people scared of MBTI

The type i was was exactly like me and i took the test twice and got rhe same result and it was so accuret it was creepy

The mbti is outdated and it was a spin off of Jung work. That does not mean it is completely useless. One thing that was funny was my friend and I came out as a match. So I think it does have some validity but you should not stretch it .

I was an INFJ in college and after two years I retook it and it was ISTP. Which is crazy but I don’t know I feel I’m in the middle of it somewhere. The site was 16 personality types.

I wouldn't say that the parent function is the second most used function. That would be the child function, wouldn't it?

Myer Briggs does have its use, unfortunately sold to the wrong people to be used for the wrong (and often bs) reasons. Tests like the big 5 probably would be more informative in terms of MB is being used for but middle management hates it because the test itself will actually reveal alot of things they may not want (due to misunderstanding).

The Meyer-Briggs is BS! Counselors, psychiatrists, etc . We all know it's crap. Yet, some schools still do it. I've taken the test and many of the questions answered would depend on the circumstances. I've always had different results. Or I'd want to pick more than one thing. It's like Horoscopes.

What I'd like to know is how much research you did on astrology. Last time I checked, decent astrologers always say that all people are a combination of all 12 signs. It's the placement that makes a difference, much like the way you describe the DOMINANT FUNCTION.

Lets see the references

What's your MBTI type? :)