I 100% agree with you on the quality of Coach. The big difference is that Coach WANTS to be the Volkswagaon of purses, high quality, good engineering, but in a way that is available to most people.

When I think of Coach, I think of just accessories, specifically bags and small leather goods. Could it be that because the luxury brands have their hands in everything, i.e. ready to wear, jewelry, home goods, etc., that gives them that elevated status? Especially thinking ready to wear and footwear gives them that extra boost. I know these non luxury brands also have these items, but they are not one of the main focuses like it is with luxury brands.

@@patkuykendall-weeks2617 I think you hit the nail on the head -- Coach COULD be "luxury" if it wanted it, but it has chosen a different path. Also, I think it's important to note that there are Coach "snobs" who won't go near a Coach outlet, only retail shops. To be fair, there's a difference in quality of materials, but the construction is usually similar.

Still genuinely hoping that one day you’ll try out a Dooney and Bourke bag from the Florentine leather collection. Same price range as a lot of Coach bags, but quality is amazing. They are definitely an underrated brand that doesn’t get enough attention.

Totally agree with you in this video Sophie. Coach bags gave me an introduction and an understanding to beautiful handcrafted leather goods but at the mall which does not feel very luxe however the coach bags I got in an excitedly shared experience with my mother as a college student still stand the test of time and are beautifully made and they have a guarantee and the staff has always been attentive and wonderful they were like the entryway into the luxurious bag market but yes coach Michael Kors Marc Jacobs etc I would not say qualify For Super Duper luxurious bags like Chanel Louis Vuitton Dior or Hermes. Those brands I believe have a mix of Legacy heritage marketing public relations elusiveness mystery and hype around them always wanting the elite and carefully orchestrating marketing and PR moves in their reach and influence in ways that the other brands aforementioned don’t quite do as well so even if some of these more luxurious brands don’t have as good of quality they make up for it in their marketing and PR. What something is worth is based not solely on the actual sum of its physical parts but also what people BELIEVE it to be worth.

This is such a good point Frecie, I think you’ve just hit the nail on the head here!!👍👍👍xx

Exclusivity costs money...

I would also argue the brands with outlet shops are seen as less luxurious. I personally love Kate Spade, for example, but I know it's not luxury. 🤷🏾 I see it as designer goods.

That’s a good point. Especially since brands like Dior was founded after Coach. Saint Laurent is heading in that direction too. Before you could get YSL on sale more readily available. Now certain lines are excluded from promo codes at Neiman Narcus etc, if not all.

Wow, I didn't know that but that makes a lot of sense. That's also so recent. The way Chanel is priced and revered now, I would think it was always exclusive and considered top tier.

@Word Jam, no I wouldn't say that Chanel is not luxury. It is pure luxury even though not only film stars wear them. Why can't a normal working person wear Chanel? I work just as hard as a celebrity. It definitely takes time for me to save up for it, but I will appreciate it even more than them. I don't have any issues with its quality either. Chanel has the heritage, the price, the classic look, which at the same time so timeless and chic and now it is hard to get yes, and is still a premium quality. I buy it because I feel good wearing it, not because I want to keep up with some KZfaq-ers...

What deli was this? I may have to catch a flight!

@@tisheetee It was in Downtown Vancouver 19 years ago. Doubt it's still there but Vancouver's always worth the flight !!!

Yes, yes, and yes

Wow ❤

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I agree ☝️

Totally agree!!

LV is that

You should watch some documentaries on the tanneries, you would never want to use leather again.

Tell your sister-in law she’s a cultural icon. 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

I purchased a Nancy Gonzales crocodile bag. It’s beautiful and I was thrilled to get it pre-loved. Then I watched a video about how croc bags are made and I can’t even carry it anymore. I’m not a PETA person, but I felt ill after seeing how these poor animals are treated.

And because I work in the industry, I'd never purchase any designer for the full price it was either an employee discount or a luxury consignment store. Kudos to your sister-in-law!!

Thank you,

I have worked with most of the popular watch companies like Movado (Coach, Tommy Hilfiger), Fossil (Michael Kors, Tory Burch), Timex (Versace, Missoni) and they are all not worth it compared to the Swatch Group (Swatch, Tissot, Logines, Rado) which are truly a Swiss made and not made in China like MK, Coach or Tommy watches.

@@elfenprinzessin22 Before cell phones I had to wear a watch. Once my swatch watch got run over by a car and stil worked, lol. That and great designs I became a fan.

I like the old Coach-before they were bought by Sara Lee-was that in the 80s? I have a bag from 1988 and if still looks new. Of course, I take care of it, but it’s like a horse saddle!

Because where does Coach make their stuff? China?

I don’t know if it was the same in other countries, but in mine Coach was the big deal in the 00’s. It was considered expensive and aspirational, every popular girl here had one. But they fell when the fakes started to getting popular. It took away that sense of exclusivity and since now everyone (fake or not) could have it, it loose it’s popularity.

This is a FANTASTIC observation.

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Me too.

They also hired an LV designer.

@@alexarotheschild4169 yes, I would credit the turnaround to better designs than Selena Gomez. She did bring some hype for the younger audience but it's the current designs that are making people interested.

Yes, and wear them to work! I mean , I don’t have a job we’re I can carry a $5k bag to work or go to enough events to justify the purchase.

That is very obvious! You can tell someone at coach used to work at Louis vuttion.

As someone who was working at a retail Coach store before, during and after the Selena x Coach collection. I did not feel like Coach was going out of business. But as a sales rep, what did I know.

Exactly!

I have an old Kors that’s as soft as butter. I lost interest when they started making bags out of a stiff leather…forget what it’s called.

Wrong. Michael Kors is still contemporary luxury. To even say Kate Spade is in a higher ranking than MK is absurd 😂

And many Michael Kors stores are closing nationwide-

@@scottiliciousmcfabulous I think they might mean there not popular any more. They lost their image, I remember the best thing you could have was an MK bag on your arm not so much any more. There quality is way better than LV though maybe even Chanel MK hardware never tarnishes smh lol

And they resell for a premium!

Great point. The Basquiat series is a great example of that.

Ive seen some nice vintage ones too, saw one i really liked but its around 800. Dont know if i am willing to pay that for coach lol

Coach 1941

This is true I missed some metallic ones but I got a smaller one which I haven’t seen anywhere else and it’s possibly my favorite one!

They are luxury, dont let anyone ever tell you otherwise! 🥰

Coach is my thing!!!❤️❤️xx

I love MK. I going to wear it because i think its beautiful not because of someones else’s opinion.

Same here, to me coach is luxury.

Me too. I love my Coach and Dooney and Bourke bags. I will never be able to afford Chanel or Louis Vuitton. I buy the nicest bags I can afford.

I really like some of recent collab they have done. It's really cute and fun!

I agree. I gave away my Vuitton messenger bag that was that treated canvas and instead I bought one in all leather from Coach and I am very happy. Plus Vuitton and Chanel have so many fakes out there.

That’s the draw of the LV canvas, it makes the bag lightweight and comfortable against the body.

Definitely agree

Love coach. Have some bags from them and it’s great

I agree . Marc jacobs has a great quality bags . But he is a new designer comparing to Chanel . My husband collects art and he gets me Marc jacobs bags because he thinks it it’s a good investment for the future .

@@Valeria-jy1ti Love my Marc Jacobs bags. They are very good quality and have held up well over the years even though I haven't been the gentlest with them. I still bring out my Stam on a regular basis and get a ton of compliments.

@@Valeria-jy1ti finally someone speaks about MJ bags. Love them 👌

Michael Kors Collection is an amazing brand, it has nothing in common with the cheapest line!

@@veronicavenditti3614 MICHAEL Michael Kors is more like name brand I feel like lol

We forget because he's all over the place with this and that line.

I feel like this too!!! I am always shocked when people mention those. I think Marc Jacobs discontinued their luxury handbag line (priced much higher than their current one, all leather, on the runway). It is kind of weird that if Chanel had a line called Coco C by Chanel and it was cheaper than the runway stuff, then people would start saying Chanel was not luxury, too.

And, those collections are fabulous!!

Can I ask which bag from Coach ?

Go for the Coach Rogue or a classic coach ❤

I understand what you mean, but nowadays Chanel classic flaps are mass produced as well but they still are priced top notch and still rising up in price... It's all about availability like you mentioned, when people can't get something easily, it becomes desirable.

Some consumers also discern the location of manufacture, even between France vs Spain, let alone coach and Michael Kors that are made in Asia.

@@achromaphile I wouldn't go as far as saying Chanel is mass produced, there's still a lot of craftsmanship that goes into their bags. But they definitly have expanded their production facilities to different European countries, which causes quality instability issues. Over time that could pose a risk to their desirability factor..

@@DaniOchannel So true!! The label made in France or Italy somehow suggests high(er) quality and craftsmanship.

I agree. She is iconic and has cult status. Fascinating story and style. Way cooler than Coco imho! Legend.

So true!! I love Vivienne Westwood! Her 18th century inspiration and the vibe has me obsessed! I’m so willing to save up just to get a Vivienne Westwood item.

That's not why I buy LV or other luxury brands. I will agree with you that buying one of these brands is fun and thrilling, but I buy LV because I absolutely love the monogram. I think it is so classy and beautiful. I also buy other brands like Coach (Rogue's only), Senreve and Aspinal of London. If a bag is beautiful, I want it regardless of the brand, but I'm cray for LV.

I'd say it has a lot to do with low self-esteem. Women buy bags to show off to other women, wanting to put themselves "above the others" (same goes for men and their cars - and women and their cars). Tbh, when I meet a finically well to do man for a date: he does not care what type of bag I have, his eyes are on: how presentable is she (for me), does she have nice skin, smell good, wear nice dress/clothes, her her is shiny and healthy, does she look after herself.. and not, does she wear a Dior, Chanel, Hermes, Prada or god forbid a LV bag.. (LV bags are for travelling - not for handbags - in my opinion). Nothing wrong with buying a fancy expensive designer item... if you like it. If you buy it so "you have it" (to show off) - I'd consider to see a psychiatrist rather than another trip to the shopping center.

@@laurelledubois I think that's an unfair generalization. I buy LV bags because they are beautiful and I love them. I don't buy them to show off or create some illusion I have all this money or are above anyone. I like beautiful things. I have designer bags and I have non-designer bags that I love. I also wouldn't judge someone on the bag they are carrying. I used to not even notice these things, but now that I'm into handbags I do, but I'm noticing to find pieces/brands I like, not judge someone. LV bags are for traveling - not for handbags? I'm sorry, but that's a silly thing to say. My two favorite every day bags are my Pochette Metis and Cluny. They are both great every day bags. One of my favorite work bags is my OnTheGo GM. It's a great work bag.

@@totesgene I'm not here to argue over what's "fair or unfair" and what I consider "tacky or stylish". I just said, personally I have no consideration for LV handbags. I also have zero consideration for people lacking individuality. But let me explain: I was invited to a Rolex Apéro riche a couple of yrs ago. So what to wear...? Yeah the Rolex watch of course.. which handbag? Well with a $$$ watch I guess the H&M faux leather bag wont do the trick.. Well not a CC bag either, b/c if I go to Rolex, I don't want to wear CC logo - actually I don't want to war any logo, b/c Rolex is the logo 😉 I am a huge fan of handbags with NO logo (you get me) - so I drew out my snakeskin Celine - no logo and "if you know - you know... " I swear every women at that event walked in with a black CC lambskin 2.55. So my question: How do you stand out, if every other woman has the same bloody handbag as you? A few yrs ago 50% of women population were walking around with a Neverfull... Why? Well, I sold all my designer handbags in the last couple of yrs, waste of money, I'd rather spend that money on memories not to companies. Happy life!

@@laurelledubois You are here to argue and you’re rude. Making generalizations about people (saying our passion is about low self-esteem) is rude, unnecessary and uncalled for. If you’re so secure in yourself you wouldn’t find it necessary to knock others down. Bye now. I won’t engage with you further but there’s a learning opportunity for you here - don’t let it slip through your fingers.

I always wanted one because a large part of me owning designer handbags are for the investment. Otherwise realistically I can pay much cheaper if its just for quality elsewhere. Now seeing the re-sale value on those flaps being destroyed (possibly due to their over-inflated price tag), I am less interested.

Concur. Can't say I'm overly impressed by much of what passes as "luxury" these days. To me, a brand like Joseph Duclos embodies true luxury because of the material, craftsmanship, and overall quality put into the bags which is far superior to what we're seeing from current Chanel and LV collections, and at a fraction of the cost.

Agree

LV Bags are EVERYWHERE, specially the big tote bag, its like a mom bag... i don't see that as luxury....

Agreed

@@CyndiCaviedes because something is everywhere you don't consider it luxury?

I’ve had LV and a few other lux brands but vintage coach is unmatched!!! In terms of quality

I bet she never wears Coach or other cheaper brands herself.. I noticed that many luxury influencers occasionally promote some lower/ medium range goods not just bags, but clothing as well. They are doing it to for two reasons- because they are paid to do it or they want to appeal to much broader audience.

I agree! These brands seem to think that consumers will accept their name as an indicator of luxury rather than anything inherent to the bag itself. "Luxury" is defined by a logo, but not by the properties in the product itself which seems upside down to me. They will give consumers products made with lower quality materials and questionable craftmanship - it is almost like a form of disrespect to the consumer. I feel low-key insulted by some of the modern products available today on the luxury market. I think these companies (collectively) have shifted consumers to purchase by branding rather than by having a true understanding and appreciation of what constitutes quality. True quality is expensive to produce - the materials are expensive and good workmanship is expensive because it requires skill to execute properly. This used to be what you paid for in a luxury product. These companies have decoupled pricing from the actual quality of the product.

yes HRH Collection had a video about the handbag collection fad being over because of quality and prestige issues

AOL is great you can get so much bag for your money

I don’t have an Aspinal bag but I have been eyeing one for a while. Maybe I will splurge soon!

exactly.well said

Michael Kors and Marc Jacobs are definitely not luxury brands. No attention to details, generally poor quality. i'd call them wannabe luxury at most. Higher end? yes. Justified to ask that price point? no. Can't talk about Coach, haven't owned anything from Coach.

@@helen6k I really dont care what you think in all honesty.

@@scottiliciousmcfabulous It's fine if you can't afford real luxury haha

@@helen6k I dont NEED Chanel or LV to feel luxurious. Have fun being a snob Helen. 🙂

@@scottiliciousmcfabulous You clearly do haha

Very good point, Susan. A brand conjures up an image. By the same token, not everyone sees themselves as so high-end, so perhaps they gravitate to other brands they feel more replicate how they see themselves? So much psychology here, it is fascinating.

this

love that it also fits in the old money aesthetic which I love!

Agree!

Longchamp, Staud and Furla have amazing quality bags

Lonchamp doesn’t get nearly enough love!!!

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Your aunt was wasted on you, LOL. I hope you found my joke funny because I am joking. It'd be like if I inherited expensive cars by my uncle - I'd have no appreciation. I wish your aunt was mine, I'd be in heaven with all that vintage stuff :)

@@totesgene haha yes I agree, it’s a very different lifestyle than mine so that’s why I’m starting to learn more about it from people like Sophie, so I can educate myself. Sometimes I wear them though! For special occasions. They are very beautiful bags, and I’m glad that bags that are less costly are made just as well with materials that at least to me, are as good.

@@cel7691 That's great. Sophie is wonderful. You should do videos on these bags????

well said! although many luxury brands have surpluses they burn at the end of the year so it's not as scarce as they like to make it out to be

@@marielang9474 Yes! This makes me so sad. I understand the business scheme behind it, but for sustainability reasons alone, it hurts!!

I totally agree. They just copy each other so it's not only Michael Kors doing that. But I'm seeing a lot of youtubers talking about Coach these days so prices of Coach handbags have gone up.

Preach!

I agree. I've had a Barbour jacket for years. The quality is outstanding.

Absolutely. I inherited my great uncle's Barbour coat and aside from getting routine waxing every 3 years, it is in pristine condition.

I completely agree. I actually bought my first mulberry last week and the quality is just impeccable. Not to mention everyone in the store was absolutely lovely and couldn’t do more to help.

Love love Mulberry. Quality and style. Beautiful British vibe.

Mulberry quality is outstanding

Angie B You are correct.

@@janisezack1610 ♥️

RIGHT!!!

I'm glad someone else knows. My grandmother used to buy all of her bags in department stores. She could buy both Louis Vuitton and Coach in the same store in the 90s

@@joypeaceandhappiness1501 Gucci too!

@@dawnlovescouture2644 When you know, you know. Funny thing is Coach is starting to raise their prices too taking after the others.

like MK and Coach shoes and their flats are HEAVENLY....I bought some Coach flats for like $40 at Marshalls once and they are my comfiest shoes.

I heard so much about the cassie and i bought it for 200euro on sale and tax free. But i was disappointed by the quality. Then my daughter bought the LV pochette matisse for 2000£. Get this! The quality was NO BETTER! my conclusion from all this? we are all nuts. A square piece of leather sewn around the edges should not cost 2000, nor 400, nor 200. But if we are willing to pay that- why shouldn't they charge whatever they can? I am still on the lookout for a beautiful bag in fabulous quality that is worth the cost. If anyone has any tips, id love to hear them

@@tamarfischer283 There is nothing wrong with paying for people's hard work, labor, and ingenuity. If you think an industry could subsist on producing $20 bags, that is foolishness. That means someone, somewhere along the line is being robbed of their labor and a fair wage- and that will usually be the people that actually have a hand in assembling your bag. The fashion industry already has an issue with proper payment of people that dye leathers, but what would the industry look like if they charged what you suggest? The bag had to be designed, go through approval, patterns created, leather sourced, leather tanned and dyed (sometimes by hand), cut and sewn together, finished (special coating, assembling handles, ect), and then checked for quality control. Even when parts of the process are automated, depending on the company and bag, there are still any army of workers that must be present still to assist in the automated process. It is fine to say that paying $200 or $2000 is not worth it to you. I am sure there is somewhere that you spend money that others would pass on, howevert that is a heck of a lot different than saying that the combined labor of what individuals have produced for you is not collectively worth $200. I was very happy with my $250 Cassie (got it on sale). The bag quality is commiserate with the price and maybe even undervalued. It feels nothing, quality wise, like a bag that is under $100 or like those fast fashion bags. With the bag, you are not paying for a name, you are paying for what it cost to sell a bag of that quality and I will always be down for that kind of bargain.

@@AC-ih1dr wouldn't it be wonderful if even 1% of that 8000$ you pay for a chanel bag went to a poor worker. Unfortunately most of the money goes to the wealthy brand owners. I have no issue with paying even $1000 for a trueli beautiful bag, made of quality materials. But we all know we are paying for a brand and most of the time it is to show off and there is nothing in the least bit altruistic about that and some greedy guy is leeching off our desire to announce to strangers that we have more money than we actually have.

I agree however Coco Chanel herself did not start out as a rich person but only gave the illusion that she was - AKA fake it till you make it.

All history behind the name is not good. Do a little more research

@@nitajoesplaytherapy4639 I’ve done a lot of research into many luxury houses and have a wealth of knowledge particularly on the house of Chanel, don’t make assumptions.

Vivienne Westwood had to fight the fashion world first to get accepted as a respected designer. Because her designs were so different and more rebellious. The other brands quite frankly did not want a brand like that to be considered one of them.

Agreed. I have a few vivienne westwood bags and slgs and they are all made in Italy

@@spiderbait88 I use my Viviennes almost every day. My Valentino I don't dare to use any more. The letters came off in the first few weeks. I had it replaced but then the same thing happened to the matching wallet. It just sits on a shelf now. Never buying that again. Except for the heart shaped one my Viviennes are very practical because so much fits in it.

I totally agree. Vivian Westwood was a wonderful and revolutionary designer, her items are iconic. I definitely don't think that brand belongs to the same category as Michael Kors.

Yes I agree. Vivienne Westwood is definitely luxury, but not for bags really.

Um… Cassie came out in 2019 and Pochette Métis came out in 2012

They're both similar the the vintage Coach Court

@@CandleAshes Cassie is the newer version of the Court bag that came out in 1989

Thank you, I’m going to watch it 😍

@@Natalia91 It's pretty funny and interesting haha. It DOES have some 'cater to men' parts but those aren't very serious and they're for a specific reason.

Coach is my jam!😋❤️xx

@@SophieShohetOfficial i own 3 Coach Bags and they are just beautiful xx

Tory Burch I find is actually doing pretty well. Their craftsmanship has gotten better which may be the reason their prices are steadily increasing. I would not be surprised if they starting running up to LV level at some point. As of now, I think they are right between mid-tier and high end.

Chanel, LV, Dior etc are also not made in France or Italy. There are all sorts of legal loopholes that allow them to stamp made in Italy or made in France on the products, but the majority of it is constructed in China, Turkey or somewhere else with low overhead and low wages for workers. It’s all just about social currency.

@@Julia36D regardless if that is the case, stamping that alone gives prestige and people buy prestige. Factor in the exclusivity aspect with the price increases and influencers carrying what are deemed higher end, people gravitate towards them. Everything is marketing.

There’s a Gucci at the outlet in my area - Massachusetts

@@empireorient733 There's a Karl Lagerfeld at an outlet in my part of MA which I find to be incredibly ironic since he is famous for removing most Chanel products from high-access distribution points.

Coach is one of my favourite brands, my mum got me onto it a few years back and I love their quality and designs. Happy Easter btw!💐🐰🐥🐣🍰🍾xx

Yes (and dresses)! I love them too, feels like nobody speaks about them at all.

Totally agree. Kim Kardashian saying it’s her favorite designer and wears a lot of her clothes for key events has elevated the VW clothing as prestige.

I had the same experience with a Calvin Klein Collection dress I have. It is red-carpet worthy and not my image of their usual suburban mom.

I agree, Vivienne Westwood is different from Coach, there’s a different «appeal» to her designs compared to brands like MK, Coach etc.

I'd love to know the name of the shop

But LV have fakes and super fakes all over the place. The Never full is soooo common- LV fakes everywhere. But if folks love the brand buy it because you love it.

It’s funny because that’s more or less how I feel about Chanel and LV (and slowly Hermes tbh). 90-95% of the times I see a bag with those logos I just automatically assume it’s a fake. Especially if the person wearing it is under 35