Why This F1 Car Has FOUR PEDALS

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This F1 car has two brake pedals - and one of them didn't just slow the car down…
As always in F1, there is a VERY thin line between cheating and innovation. And one of my favourite examples is McLaren’s genius ‘Brake-Steer’ system.
The system was so clever it was banned.
This is the fascinating story of how McLaren outwitted the F1 world with £50 worth of tech , how Hakkinen and Coulthard had to change their driving entirely, and how this technology was so ingenious - it was banned.
In 1996, McLaren chief designer Steve Nicols was trying to figure out how to make his McLaren quicker.
The tyres at the time were a bit bizarre. Compared to today’s cars (where the rear tyres are MUCH wider than the fronts) - the tyres in the late 90s were pretty skinny at the rear and relatively chunky at the front.
This meant that the cars were very rear-limited - meaning you struggled more with corner exit than entry.
So the McLaren at the time was set up with a decent amount of understeer, and this was to protect those rear tyres on the exit from the corner. As an understeery setup typically helps with traction on exit.
But - understeer is never good. As you may need to over-slow the car to be hitting the correct racing line.
So - they wanted to protect those rear tyres, but they didn’t want the understeer.
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@abnfalcon3901 Жыл бұрын

You know that you've made it in F1 as an engineer, when your innovation gets banned for being too good

@ozamatazbuckshank7467 Жыл бұрын

Basically colin chapman and adrian newey problems lol

@abnfalcon3901 Жыл бұрын

@@ozamatazbuckshank7467 And Gordon Murray

@EldubeG25 Жыл бұрын

DAS a good point👀

@A..T..M.. Жыл бұрын

You know, taking that into account, and if we remove the steering system from the front wheels, and what activates the steering wheel are the brakes on both the left and right sides of the car, as if it were some kind of track system

@pinkikoley397 Жыл бұрын

the rival teams get innovations banned cause they are jealous.

@bearpapa1606 Жыл бұрын

not cheating, this kind of engineering is the reason why i watch F1.

@tjampman Жыл бұрын

You watch Formula 1 to see how the ban tech?

@GertvandenBerg Жыл бұрын

And the cost cap might make this type of thing a lot less common...

@grayaj23 Жыл бұрын

"Rulesmithing" is a term used in tabletop gaming (and probably lots of other places), and I think it fits F1 to a tee. Give engineers and physics nerds a set of rules and let them figure out ways to follow those rules creatively. All the teams do it when they think they can get away with it, and all of them whine like schoolchildren when their rival team does it too.

@deadprivacy Жыл бұрын

So clever and simple. They banned it.

@nando03012009 Жыл бұрын

@@tjampman haha exactly.. the only thing not banned in F1 is actual cheating!

@mrragge7986 Жыл бұрын

The skill you need to drive this is out of this world. Mika Häkkinen is truly amazing and underrated.

@Slide100 Жыл бұрын

That’s the first thing I thought of. Like trying to balance on a medicine ball on one leg while juggling. 🙂

@elmurcis1 Жыл бұрын

Well, we are talking about fastest driver in the world (by his own words)! No wonder he made it work easily.

@kimiraikkonen949 Жыл бұрын

and coulthard. coulthard underrated

@dimitarvenedikov Жыл бұрын

@@Slide100 As a kid Mika took some training as an acrobat at a circus school, so maybe it helped a bit.

@Eat-MyGoal Жыл бұрын

How is he underrated? He's one of the most lauded drivers in modern F1 history, and the only driver Schumacher admitted he was scared of. He's highly-rated and rightly so...

@oj7177 Жыл бұрын

Weird choice by the fia to say it was illegal, since it wasn't really a 4 wheel steering system. They should have changed the rules during the off season to explicitly say it was illegal, not deeming it legal for then banning it in a span of 2 races Ferrari international assistance was how people called the fia back in the day, and i like how it sounds 😂

@AJZulu Жыл бұрын

Bribes were handed out. Or so I was told...

@dimitarvenedikov Жыл бұрын

@@AJZulu Don't forget the animosity between Ron Dennis and Max Mosley.

@Yousuck00 Жыл бұрын

And they allowed Merc to run with Dual-Axis steering for a whole season until they banned it.

@oj7177 Жыл бұрын

@@Yousuck00 apparently it was a grey zone technology, so they did the right thing by banning it for the next season. But if it was illegal, then they shouldn't have let them run with it What i don't like is how the fia banned the mass damper during mid 2006 (in the middle of the title fight), after letting renault, and other teams too, using it for 2005 and half 06 You either ban things immediately, or say they're legal for 1 season only, if you don't like the solution they came up with, but it still is within the rules

@oj7177 Жыл бұрын

@@AJZulu i wouldn't be surprised Ferrari already was the most important team back then, and they had a rather young star in schumacher driving for them. Ecclestone said that him and the fia helped ferrari winning multiple times, and that everyone was interested in having a competitive Ferrari since it was good for the sport And said that merc 2014-16 dominance was also due to the fact that brawn switched from ferrari to merc and carried very important infos about the new engines regs with him, that others didn't know

@President_Grover_Cleveland Жыл бұрын

Not cheating, in-genius engineering. It’s stuff like that that gets me as hyped as I do for F1 . Such a shame FIA keeps banning all of these awesome inventions that all the teams could’ve eventually used themselves possibly.

@tavyturean5725 Жыл бұрын

If all great innovations were allowed, then, at some point, there would be nothing more to come up with. You would basically have a perfect racing car with a lot of gizmos on it. This way, engineers have to come up with new things all the time. And that's what make Formula 1 amazing.

@vidianosdrossos2296 Жыл бұрын

@@tavyturean5725 I disagree, innovation never stops. If they stopped banning every big ingenious change that engineers came up with, we could have even better cars and spectacle than now and someone would always come up with the next better idea. After all it is a constructors competition, ingenuity must be rewarded

@hughlevantjames905 Жыл бұрын

@@vidianosdrossos2296 F1 tends to keep tech that makes cars on a basis that is road-relevant. DAS and this brake system in particular don’t really have benefits on the road.

@richardshippful Жыл бұрын

@@hughlevantjames905 My 2008 Honda Accord has rear trail braking E.G. it brake the inside rear wheel on a sharp turn. you have to replace the rear pads every other front pad change.

@boopitywoop7981 Жыл бұрын

The ban was probably more of a safety oriented one rather than the cheating allegation.

@MattGP01 Жыл бұрын

There was an interview with Steve Nichols where he said that ironically, weeks after Ferrari got it banned, they presented the exact same system to the FIA McLaren had devised. Brawn and Co. Left red-faced... As they discovered they banned the very system they were developing and were now arguing its legality.

@puzzledandconfused Жыл бұрын

Pretty much a matter of "It's not good if it's not mine"... Childish tantrum.

@sepg5084 Жыл бұрын

@@puzzledandconfused on par with Ferrari

@meekrab9027 Жыл бұрын

This is probably the real reason it was banned... if it's legal, eventually everyone is going to have to develop it, and anyone not running it might as well be racing F1.5.

@damarfadlan9251 Жыл бұрын

@@puzzledandconfused more like proper tantrum from anyone.

@mikey_bb 10 ай бұрын

Pretty much the whole of F1 is rich people having childish tantrums 🤣

@shinyribs2178 Жыл бұрын

Tractors and earth moving equipment have been steering with split brake pedals since forever. Pretty cool to see it used like this.

@halfrhovsquared Жыл бұрын

So have aircraft. It's called differential braking.

@MrBIooder Жыл бұрын

My favourite bit about this story is Nichols laughing at all the other teams overestimating the cost of the system. They said it was a hundreds of thousands of dollars, while it was actually 50 dollars worth of parts they already had lying around.

@MrSeanman30 Жыл бұрын

How? Aren't the titanium/other material bolts and parts like $80 for a single lug? Assuming they needed to use a few bolts to put the pedals in. I remember hearing Pagani uses titanium screws/lug nuts at $80 a piece and it has over 1000 throughout the car. Im assuming machined screws for F1 cars would be even more expensive than Paganis.

@MrBIooder Жыл бұрын

@@MrSeanman30 They probably used regular screws. No need for precision machined screws when all you have to do is put an extra pedal and brake line in the car.

@PanduAsli 10 ай бұрын

@@MrBIooderexactly, wheel nuts are different story because they need to optimise it for pit time. Engine pistons and parts, also optimisations.

@ronaldojoe3011 Жыл бұрын

Sounds to me like the other teams were just salty that they couldn't figure it out.

@tomoliver5861 Жыл бұрын

Welcome to the world of f1 regs changes

@Kaimax61 Жыл бұрын

Welcome to every team that's not a front runner. Like even this season, remember when merc cried about flexy floors, had it banned mid season, and somehow RB was still faster after that TD?

@damarfadlan9251 Жыл бұрын

@@tomoliver5861 yep. And it keeps on changing. Even in 2023.

@ryanwagner637 Жыл бұрын

Fun fact pretty much all tractors used in agriculture have separate left and right brakes because when large force is applied to the rear of the tractor during heavy operations the front tires get very little grip and so you can steer with brakes

@snack711 Жыл бұрын

totally legal, other teams just realised how much this put them behind

@bragee Жыл бұрын

I was furious at the time when they banned the car for basically two reasons: 1) it's one of those clever/borderline solutions that made F1 interesting and fascinating. 2) a friend of mine "invented" it on his ethanol RC car in 1992 (by connecting some rods from the steering servo to some sort of custom drum brakes which were able to destroy his RCcar plastic rims in seconds... LOL). I remeber he wanted to build himself some aluminium rims but eventually gave up for lack of tools... But, after seeing the pedal picture in the newspapers in 1996/1997, I remember I called him to admit he was right.

@Rmagid Жыл бұрын

Its in ams2 and has the fully functioning 2nd brake pedal if you want to try it

@mikblues_146 Жыл бұрын

How?

@jgagnier Жыл бұрын

@@mikblues_146 Automobilista 2 has a keybind for extra brake pedal. If you have a pedal set, bind it to, say, your clutch pedal.

@mikblues_146 Жыл бұрын

@@jgagnier Damn, will have to try it out, although I'll have to change it again if I want to drive manual, thanks anyway!

@jgagnier Жыл бұрын

@@mikblues_146 Or, get a 4th pedal :D

@mikblues_146 Жыл бұрын

@@jgagnier How tf am I gonna get a 4th pedal? xDDDD

@gt2rs260 Жыл бұрын

This was such a good story, really shows how political this sport is.

@rorybninetythree Жыл бұрын

Ferrari: The only cheating that is allowed is the cheating that we are smart enough to do ourselves.

@AlonsoRules Жыл бұрын

like the engine thing that we still don't know what the penalty was

@Tayoisdead Жыл бұрын

@@AlonsoRules they had to run their engines on lower power modes for the next 2 years after penalty application.

@stefang1087 Жыл бұрын

No cheating, just briliant engineering.

@timh6845 Жыл бұрын

It’s a shame they didn’t link the extra pedal to the steering rack. Turn left and it enables left caliper, turn right for right caliper.

@vincev5242 Жыл бұрын

@@timh6845 then you'd end up with pointless braking on high speed corners

@crinkly.love-stick Жыл бұрын

@@timh6845 farm tractors have that technology.

@artbk Жыл бұрын

@@vincev5242 only with pressing the second brake pedal

@robdavies82 Жыл бұрын

Learning to drive a racing car with a different pedal layout in the days before simulators…🏆

@joaquins90 Жыл бұрын

Thanks McLaren for the torque vectoring that guides our cars into the corners!

@koston_varjo3536 Жыл бұрын

One day I'd love to see a deregulation of things like these in F1: just trow brake steer, f-duct, steer adjustment (push the steering wheel) and so on. The important part is that all those systems need to be operated manually. That way the drivers become the limiting factor. You could maybe regulate it so that teams can choose a few of them, giving more diversity in the lineup? It's not like I know enough about F1 to say if this was possible though....

@gave2haze Жыл бұрын

The problem with having F1 drivers as the limiting factor is that they don't respect their limits and end up crashing

@koston_varjo3536 Жыл бұрын

@@gave2haze Personally I think you're mistaken. If you want to win a championship or keep a seat in a team, you better learn how to get results. If drivers can't do it, they will be swapped out, someone out there will be able to do it - it's not a small grass roots event.

@Hamachingo Жыл бұрын

Meh, do it all driver-less and only regulate the amount of fuel permitted and the overall dimensions. Like a mix of battle-bots and Mario cart.

@456MrPeople Жыл бұрын

F duct is legitimately dangerous since it requires one limb to loosely grip or completely be off the steering wheel or pedals. The others should definitely come back.

@koston_varjo3536 Жыл бұрын

@@456MrPeople If only there were knee controlled F Ducts in the past...

@Hamachingo Жыл бұрын

I love how braking just one rear wheel is pretty much standard on Mazda road cars now with "G-Vectoring Control ". Brakes the inner rear wheel on corner entry and the outer one on exit.

@Schizz_Popinov Жыл бұрын

Farm tractors you can brake either rear wheel separately or simultaneously. This seems like very similar thinking.

@crinkly.love-stick Жыл бұрын

Many of them also speed up the front axle at a certain steering angle, which drags the machine around tight corners. Bi-speed steering.

@duanezablocki8249 Жыл бұрын

American dirt sprint cars have a similar setup but it's not an optional additional peddle. They have a solid rear axle with one rotor on it with the caliper mounted to the rear housing. They also have a single left front rotor with no brake at all on the right front. The left front rotor is used to help pull the car to the left being they run only ovals. Some teams will run a third brake, mounted to the right rear bearing hanger but many teams do not.

@hitop2365 Жыл бұрын

Trials cars and many old agricultural tractors have fiddle brakes, essentially 2 handbrakes one for each rear brake. By slowing or stopping the inside rear wheel and powering the outer wheel a very tight turn can be made. Caterpillar tractors work on a similar system.

@mtnbkr79 Жыл бұрын

Dirt Late models have a switch to completely turn off the right front via solenoid in line with the brake. Really makes the car turn left. This is in addition to front-rear brake bias adjustment.

@Robert-cu9bm Жыл бұрын

If it's a solid rear axle it doesn't matter where you put the caliper it's not going to make it torque vector around the corner.

@duanezablocki8249 Жыл бұрын

@@Robert-cu9bm the fact some cars put an additional brake on the right rear bearing hanger, when the brakes are applied, the torque applied to that hanger, rotates the hanger and actually prevents the car from wanting to roll onto the right rear tire, which is bad when the track is wet and heavy (actually sticky) or trying to set the right rear tire against the cushion. Keep in mind this is not an independent suspension design. As the car squats, the whole rear end rolls forward in the car, increasing drive off the corners

@bernardmcmahon2383 Жыл бұрын

For those who can remember,98 startwed with massive changes to the cars(similar to this year in impact). In Australia the Mclarens were so far in frontof the feild it was scary,Schumi retired early and threw his steering wheel out of the car. The FIA(killers of inovation) folded to Ferrari(yet again)and to be fair,that season was one of the greatest battles of all time,Mika and Schumi were incredable,so in hindsight it was a good thing. If any of you out there cannont remeber it as you are young or new to F1,pleasse watch this amazing season,like Martin said at Monza,you could not wright a script like this!

@kwasg3 9 ай бұрын

Yup!! Heydey of innovation killer period and headed towards the psuedo spec racer car we have today.

@glaucomedia Жыл бұрын

I don't think it's illegal. A Brazilian engineer put something similar in a car based on the beatle volkswagem to improve its off-road capability. You could use the rear brakes independently of each other. If a wheel runs out of traction, you apply the handbrake only to that wheel and get grip to get the car out of the mud. This in 1960, 70. Gurgel is the brand.

@crash8803 8 күн бұрын

That is genuinely brilliant! Simple, direct, and effective, not like modern so-called clever AI assisted Limited Slip differential used in hightech LUV(L-Suv). Ease of operation is the Key point in pushing this branch of tech tree.

@yeahrightmate Жыл бұрын

I ran a 125 Super kart 20 years ago with 4 peddles mainly for the starts but it was good to be able to trail brake as well, and I use to race a gymkhana car that I had setup the clutch peddle to operate the hand brake when fully depressed so I always had 2 hands free for steering and changing gears, so as I pushed the clutch in at a hairpin it would disengage the clutch so I could shift back gears and keep the revs and handbrake turn all at the same time and then just dump the clutch as I came out of the turn and off it would go for the next turn. It was so fast and some people tried to get me disqualified but there was no rules saying you had to use a hand operated hand brake to turn so it never got them anywhere.

@queefqueefington Жыл бұрын

Man i love the f1 cars from this era. I started watching f1 with my grandpa when Mika won his championships

@shifty1927 Жыл бұрын

In offroad racing they are called "cut brakes" you get a lever for each individual rear brake.

@andrewboschmann9880 Жыл бұрын

Many agricultural machinery has two independent brake padels close together (one system for each side, that can be either pushed simultaneously or locked together if needed) and use brake steer to help with tight turns or generally steering heavy equipment. It becomes natural quite fast to use the pedals to aid steering.

@eli_7295 Жыл бұрын

And you can steer with the brakes if the front is lifted into the air because of too much weight on the back, so you basically balance the tractor on two wheels.

@1000petabytes Жыл бұрын

Brilliant video here. Appreciate it. 1 question here though... Were FIA Stewards not checking the car post race everytime ? As I know, FIA checks weight, underbody plank etc after each race. Why it was only uncovered when photographer took photo of retired car.

@TheSnaveeelPlaysGames Жыл бұрын

It was uncovered to the public and other teams. As far as I know, the FIA will have deemed it legal privately with no obligation to make Mclaren’s design public

@meekrab9027 Жыл бұрын

@@TheSnaveeelPlaysGames Yep, it passed all the rules about "the driver must pilot the car alone, unaided" and whatnot at the time since it was just a simple mechanical connection. There were no rules about having a brake pedal only connected to one wheel XD

@markl4670 Жыл бұрын

The FIA had already visited Albert drive ( Mclaren factory) and agreed it was legal before the car was raced.

@savageduck4487 Жыл бұрын

Funny thing, this tech has been in tractors for years. I remember an old Chamberlain having one my old man's friend had

@monetary_episode494 Жыл бұрын

How many years, because these cars are from the 97' season

@offmerla Жыл бұрын

@@monetary_episode494 in 79 tractors already had it but they could have had it before that

@crinkly.love-stick Жыл бұрын

@@monetary_episode494 I've driven tractors from the 50s that had independent brakes, and it wasn't a new concept when they were new.

@euandykes Жыл бұрын

In motorcycle racing there's drag braking. Holding a bit of rear brake that helps keep the trailing arm suspension squat. I believe it helps enable an earlier delivery of power on exit. Which would squat the back if trail braking wasn't used. Less bobbing of the rear = smoother and more effective power delivery. On an F1 car there's an extra x axis for brake steering. I wonder if this feature also helps with keeping the rear squat? It's a double effect maybe.

@gdogg3710 Жыл бұрын

There’s a very long Steve Nichol interview on the YT channel Jay Emms on Cars, where he’s mainly talking about the MP4/4, but also about the fiddle brake on this. A few grand of already manufactured spare parts was worth half a second a lap, making this £ for £ probably the best F1 invention ever. Was Ferrari (of course) who got it banned, without ever really understanding what it was they were getting banned…then a few weeks later they submitted a clarification/proposal to Charlie Whiting for their own version of this, which was identical to the McLaren system they had just gotten banned. Charlie went mad at them apparently and I can’t say I blame him…

@peterhall6656 Жыл бұрын

I was not aware of this. Massive respect for DC having to deal with 4 pedals!!

@SHRModding Жыл бұрын

You can drive this car in Automobilista 2 and you can assign the second brake pedal to your clutch if you have a wheel and pedals

@brettdart Жыл бұрын

I just love how innovative yet simple and effective it was. Engineering at its finest.

@itt2055 Жыл бұрын

Tractors and other large farm machinery have had split brakes for over 50 years, one break pedal for each of the 2 drive wheels that were close enough so you could use them both at the same time. When using a rear wheel steering vehicle you can turn on one wheel.

@esdeekay4344 Жыл бұрын

Back then, McLaren had beautiful cars too.

@jamesfiegel9675 Жыл бұрын

They need a New Race director!!!

@peterwilles7227 Жыл бұрын

@@jamesfiegel9675 and a new teamboss

@Niamato_inc Жыл бұрын

I hope you will make a series of videos about F1 banned technologies and innovations. Thank you in advance

@damarfadlan9251 Жыл бұрын

The skills for these F1 drivers considering those technologies is simply amazing.

@MTThought Жыл бұрын

Hemi Under Glass had a similar concept. Had to have a way to steer while it was going along on two wheels. That system was hand operated I think

@ryanlukens9280 Жыл бұрын

This was an interesting bit of design and engineering, but not cheating under the rules of the time. While it was truly amazing to see it used in F1, it was being used off road quite a bit before F1. My Dad and many of his friends build “sand rails” or “dune buggies” with steel tube hand-made frames powered by air cooled VW power trains. Most of these buggies had steering brakes, separate activators for the rear brakes. Our buggies used hand levers instead of an extra pedal or so, but they accomplished the same thing. They allowed the buggy to make tighter turns (sometimes we used them to steer when we could manage to get the front end in the air).

@dpause10 Жыл бұрын

If you haven't done it already, I'd be curious to see a video on the short-lived four wheel steering system used by Benetton on the B193, the races in Japan and Australia I believe.

@trattoretrattore8228 Жыл бұрын

Imagine a brake pedal with 4 points that you can apply more or less pressure on to affect the brake force going into each wheel.

@jeryjohn Жыл бұрын

My 2017 type r has brake steer as part of its vehicle stability assist and its crazy how hard the car turns in low speed corners thanks McLaren

@fladave99 Жыл бұрын

Did that with my porsche by letting off the throttle and therefore braking the inside tire which was light and rotating the car. Lots of Porsches do this and its a riot as it swings and then to into full throttle as it instantly straightens the corner

@deadbeef576 Жыл бұрын

what kind of porsche?

@eli_7295 Жыл бұрын

Isn't that just lift-off oversteer? you go into the corner on throttle, lift it off so the mass of the engine etc. in the back wants to swing forward, and once you are rotated enough you apply throttle again to straighten it out?

@simeonstankov513 Жыл бұрын

Nicee, this explains my W211's SBC system.

@trance9158 Жыл бұрын

Clever but also making it a bit more difficult for the driver.

@cyan_oxy6734 Жыл бұрын

And now drivers are changing settings while driving.

@garyhalsey7693 Жыл бұрын

Definitely NOT cheating, just a damn ingenious innovation!! New subscriber!! Keep the content coming, loving it!!!

@ibkawan1652 9 ай бұрын

Hi there... Where can I get the technicals Rules of F1 ?

@TedSchoenling Жыл бұрын

I don't see it as much different than all the diff settings today to be honest

@youtubebannedme Жыл бұрын

i think the system fall to the "passive 4 wheel steering" some cars nowadays have traction control to limit the inner wheelspin to make the car better at cornering, i even think diffs could be called passive 4 wheel steering to some extent

@TheLtVoss 9 ай бұрын

The part that is mind boggling too me is that they didn't install a valve linked to the stearing rack to switch the side on what the stearing break is active to gain for the full potential of the system

@AugmentedGravity Жыл бұрын

This is basically the exact system which some tanks and tracked vehicles use.

@rdaw33 Жыл бұрын

Call "skid steer"

@danielsgrunge Жыл бұрын

That's why F1 is so fascinating

@human890209yang 18 күн бұрын

It is a steering system of the rear wheel, the tank example is reasonable. Because F1 is driven by rear wheels with differential. If you brake the inside rear tire, it not only pulls to rotate the car, more engine power will be put on the outside rear wheel by the differential which push the car to rotate. How a tank steers? it pull one side and push the other side. The question is if the 4 wheel system is better than the 2 wheel ones why ban it?

@Kesh789 10 ай бұрын

This is really cool, and this kind of engineering is exactly what people want to see.

@steelers4974 Жыл бұрын

It remembers me to the tractor braking system that uses two brake pedals, One for left and the other for right

@dman8951 Жыл бұрын

Mazda does use this brake steer method on the mx-5. They call it Kinematic Posture Control (KPC). It’s computer controlled so no second brake pedal but it does the same general thing.

@san-joshuabarrett Жыл бұрын

I was so fed up they seemingly banned that recent Mercedes front wing. Really wanted to see what it could do. This is what F1 is about, those cheeky innovations. Atleast let them run it for the rest o the season and not ban them immediately, and not mask them as cheating.

@Kaimax61 Жыл бұрын

No they can't, because that wing creates more dirty air. which was against the point of the current Car designs.

@youfillmylifewithjello6661 Жыл бұрын

Where did you get the diecast from?

@RTPJu Жыл бұрын

Automobilista 2 have this car and the second brake. If in simulation it's hard to use, just can imagine in RL. Cheers!

@AlonsoRules Жыл бұрын

F1 has seen some of the best innovations in history. My favourite is the Brabham Fan Car and the DAS. Total genius.

@fjcarmo0369 Жыл бұрын

It's not cheating, it's just clever engineering.

@digit975 Жыл бұрын

I wish F1 teams were more open about their past innovations. Technology in F1, even back 20-30 years ago, is so mind blowing to us non-F1 insiders.

@keensweep Жыл бұрын

Seems like it could have been link to the steering. Right turn activates the right brake and same for left. Probably could have made it regulate braking pressure based on steering input.

@PillsTeam Жыл бұрын

I’d love to see a formula where all the banned stuff is a must have thing

@formulahank1250 Жыл бұрын

A classic Ferrari International Assistance moment

@fabiopedrola8201 8 ай бұрын

In my opinion it was no cheating at all, just a genius idea to overcome their problems

@LucasGonzalezA Жыл бұрын

I reccomend Automobilista 2 to try this system out. Is tricky but it's quite satisfying to get right. Plus the 97 McLaren is a lot of fun to drive.

@jamielombardo5292 Жыл бұрын

All they had to do was get a cutter brake from a sand rail. It is on tractors and sandrails. It is alongside regular brakes and hand operation or foot operation. In Michigan that is what sandrails use to avoid trees on tight trails at high speed.

@adambrush5445 Жыл бұрын

Another reason brake steer should be brought back is to provide a greater challenge to the drivers. It's not a driver aid as it gives them more to do. It will make the sport slightly more about the driver than the car.

@kirstenspencer3630 Жыл бұрын

In dirt track racing disabling a corner of the cars brakes is just part of the cars set up. Front rear bias is usually allowed but not individual corners. My old autocross car could bias side to side braking ( prerset ) and other teams took note " how can your car just jump into the corner ? ). My advice is to study ALL FORMS OF WHEELED RACING and be open to try what works for others...if you're not " cheating " your not competitive.

@ApolloBeatzOfficial 10 ай бұрын

The bolides looked gorgeous back in those days!

@jimmydesouza4375 Жыл бұрын

I wonder why they did it this way instead of making a split pedal where each side of the pedal controlled the corresponding rear brake, but that you could also press both of at the same time for uniform braking.

@jkliao6486 Жыл бұрын

9:14 and we thought RB using Albon's filming lap as evidence was a far-fetch XD

@peterruiz6117 Жыл бұрын

I have a 'Hot Wheel' of this car...I am a 'H W' lunatic, with boxes and bags of oened and un opened cars....Specifically, American only street and race cars, but some forign monsters...But this car appeared ,as if I went shopping in my sleep. Very possible. Great tech and detail, history....Great videos.

@halfrhovsquared Жыл бұрын

As soon as the video started, I knew where this was going. In aircraft, it's called differential braking. This is quite a clever application, though. The implementation in aircraft is somewhat different, with the brakes being applied by both feet, one for each side. I applaud their thinking.

@AndyFromBeaverton Жыл бұрын

1:20 Ben Franklin came up with his best ideas sitting on the toilet.

@unnamedracer9757 Жыл бұрын

We need a racing series with no build rules excluding safety, NASCAR on-track rules (mainly rubbing is racing), and tracks that have a mix between F1 and Rally (like Spa with half the track made of dirt, along with the variety of SST tracks where entire sections change every year, and the starting grid of SST where the fastest in qualifying start in the back, potentially even with an up to 5 second start delay

@1ddrizzle Жыл бұрын

It’s like a hand brake or cutting brakes they use in drifting or rally racing. Really common in dune buggies

@nasuh_won Жыл бұрын

I would love to see the true potential of competitive men doing what it takes to win and not complain of others breaking rules, while they themselves are bending the rules. Imagine how more advanced we could actually be.

@jakobipsen8811 Жыл бұрын

I think that's called war

@mattwatson591 Жыл бұрын

@@jakobipsen8811 it was called group B rally

@djjohnnymusic Жыл бұрын

Manybtractors have had this for years. Even out old 1950's Masey Ferguson had it. Makes for easier and sharper turns in the paddocks and fields.

@chrisbouchard4719 Жыл бұрын

Basically proto torque vectoring 🤣

@mohammadhosainusofimotlagh6168 Жыл бұрын

Genious. But don't they have the exact same thing nowadays with all of the diff settings? They have diff entry, diff mid and diff exit as well all the torque settings to make sure they can rotate the car on entry and look after the rear tyres on the exit.

@axhrafjamaxi6530 Жыл бұрын

Hi. How does number on car stay reserved i.e. driver retired e.g. Räikkönen & driver unofficial retire e.g. no contract?

@TheJohtunnBandit 9 ай бұрын

It's a shame it was banned, I would have loved to see a version that had one brake pedal for each side and requiring both feet for full braking. That would make trail braking impossible ( i think) and would make for an interesting choice.

@D3Vlicious Жыл бұрын

Ferrari's tank argument comes down to the fact that tracked vehicles are primarily steered by changing the relative speed of each track through brakes and the gearbox.

@Appletank8 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, this is essentially a basic version of a differential brake steer used in M4s and the like. Maybe someone should try double differential steering.

@praveenkumar-oc4zl Жыл бұрын

All tractors have this system

@user-fj8kp4nf9y 5 ай бұрын

I was hoping you'd say that they had one pedal for the rear right and one for thee rear left, didn't know DC still used a pedal operated clutch

@petermaltha Жыл бұрын

This is real F1 the pinnacle of innovation. Today it is one for all and nothing move again. Really shifty

@_hitomaru Жыл бұрын

this is why i love f1

@manoz6194 9 ай бұрын

Could they have gotten both rear brakes to operate independently if they connected it to the steering? ie if you are turning left it would brake the left rear wheel and turning right would brake the rear right wheel using the same extra pedal?

@schkann1384 Жыл бұрын

8:33 that mclaren with full slicks look weird but also beatiful

@johndavidwolf4239 Жыл бұрын

It was not a new idea, some WW-2 era "Doodlebug tractors" home made from old 1930 vintage Ford model A's had dual rear brake pedals, but for the reason of limited traction in mud on the farm.

@MV1-OP81-Mclaren Жыл бұрын

Hey @Driver61 could you maybe do a video on F1 running 4 cylinder engines. I know that might not be everyone's cup of tea and the chances of running v10's 12's or even 8's being so slim, if you look at how powerful bmw's 4 cylinder f1 engine was that brabham and Benetton used and how successful the Japan Super Formula series is with their 4 cylinders I'm sure F1 could make a success out of it. Sure the engines that is used in the Japan Super Formula series doesn't rev as high as F1 today but in my opinion they sound better. With the planned removal of the mgu-h and an inline 4 cylinder being slimmer than a V6 it could possibly mean slimmer and shorter as well as lighter cars. The Japan Super Formula cars weigh only 660kg with the driver included. Also manufacturers like Mercedes, Redbull with Honda and Renault for Alpine all have big experience and great success with 4 cylinders, I'm not sure of Ferrari but even the new comer Audi or at least VW has experience and success with 4 cylinders so that would mean no team would have a major advantage by being more experienced with those engines and it would be something fresh for F1. Also there were talks of increasing the power output of the mgu-k so with a 2l turbo 4 cylinder engine that makes about 600hp (not impossible the super gt cars make 600- 650hp and uses the same engine as the super formula) with the mgu-k you could be looking at 800 - 900hp.

@hgrghost_actual Жыл бұрын

What if you put a hydraulic pump on the steering column that would increase braking pressure as you turn in? Effectively, all 4 wheels should work in unison in a straight line, but as you enter the corner and trail brake, the inside rear would drag more based on steering input.

@chronophobic Жыл бұрын

Over steering, under steering, and counter steering.

@hgrghost_actual Жыл бұрын

@@chronophobic obviously, it would have a gate so it only worked while under braking. The idea being that at the end of the braking zone, as you trail brake into the corner entry, a slight drag on the inside wheel would help turn in. The harder the turn in, the more drag is increased. Until the brake is released. It would only need to be 5% or so to be huge. And it's still a driver controlled system.

@princesibanda7713 Жыл бұрын

Great engineering 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

@johnboyd6943 Жыл бұрын

It sounds very similar to torque vector steering used on many Ford road cars today. I'm not an automotive engineer but it sounds the same to me.

@mckutzy Жыл бұрын

They should come up with a ultimate racing open series. Allow all "banned" Tech From standard series. Fuel bias weight distribution systems, 4 wheel steeling, brake steer ect..... Teams know itll be a dangerous run... everyone's got an edge over something. Obviously Have a core rule book, No rocket assist, nitro ect.. But ya have a series that has all of these great ideas alloud to be put in a vehicle and see what happens.

@deadbeef576 Жыл бұрын

and no budget limit

@DonziGT230 Жыл бұрын

This is a bit like the turning brakes on a sand rail, it's extremely effective if you use it right and deadly if you use it wrong.

@aaronklein1490 Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure the differential would actually start sending more power to the outer wheel due to the brake force on the inner. Slowing down the inner and speeding up the outer sounds even more like steering then just braking one wheel alone. Nice.

@kelainefes Жыл бұрын

And this would make it a 4 wheel steering system as all 4 wheels are actively turning the vehicle.

@aaronklein1490 Жыл бұрын

@@kelainefes very much so. It's super clever I have to admit. And honestly also I acknowledge a seemingly godly amount of talent a driver would need to use something like this to good effect.