Why This Feminist Became Anti-Progressive | The Lila Rose Podcast E112

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Күн бұрын

Today I sit down with British journalist and author, Mary Harrington, to discuss her transition from leftist feminism to promoting an anti-progressive feminism. We discuss some of the history of feminism, how the cultural changes of Industrial Revolution became the catalyst for the first feminist movements, why a true feminist sees good marriages as part of the solution, how contraception is ultimately anti-feminist, and much more.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Intro Sequence
00:33 Introduction
01:40 Nimi Skincare
02:36 Hallow
03:33 Welcome Mary!
03:55 Mary's Background to "Reactionary Feminist"
06:35 From Leftist to SAHM
15:01 Feminism As A Response to Industrial Revolution
25:21 Contraception As Transhumanism
30:14 The Inversion of Medicine
33:05 Seven Weeks Coffee
34:13 Every Life
35:24 Economic Value of The Domestic Women
37:27 Trade-offs With Personal Freedom
40:55 Betty Friedan
42:34 Solutions To All The Mess
45:59 Pre-Requisites for Marriage
50:21 Feminist Point Against Birth Control
51:46 Should We Use The Word "Feminist"

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@starstoryteller Ай бұрын

Her correlation of the pill being the start of transhumanism is really fascinating and changing the medicine at large. It is also part of the current medical model of treating fertility as disease.

@toddness305 Ай бұрын

Brilliant revelation.

@chivalryisdead6440 Ай бұрын

I strongly agree. Very clever way of looking at things that happened.

@jennylynn215 Ай бұрын

Im deconstructing my own liberalism. Thank you for this.

@desireegreen653 Ай бұрын

I love both of these women, so happy for their conversation...can I ask what lead to you deconstructing liberalism?

@Nylon_riot Ай бұрын

As a classic lib which is a reduced calorie libertarian, I was an ally over workers rights issues and protecting fa. I bolted when the promotion of maps started attacks on men and free speech. Best of luck on your journey, like so many others, I think you will find you are so much happier not stuck on the doom and gloom cycle. Many even stopped needing antidepressants. It is a sick system. I am so tired of them preying on us.

@skylinefever 23 күн бұрын

@@Nylon_riot I could not go full libertarian because I saw free trade as a way of megacorps to ignore environmental safety and labor safety laws. They'll just make more shit in Chyyyna

@blondetapperware8289 Ай бұрын

THANK YOU for having Ms. Harrington on! I love her work!!

@murphymomof9 Ай бұрын

This was so unbelievably good. Posting about this when I have a chance on X. Thanks to both of you.

@drxljrcc Ай бұрын

I am enthralled by this. It is enlightening.

@ianwynne764 Ай бұрын

Hello Lila and Mary: Regarding what men talk about when we together, much of it is understated and ironic little jokes. To many women looking on, it would probably appear that nothing is happening. However, when you are part of it, a huge amount of warmth and affection is being expressed. I hope that helps.

@megalopolis2015 Ай бұрын

Mary speaks like a writer, with all of these amazing, innovative ideas coming into her head at 120 MPH and no place to put them but on paper. :0) I really will be looking for her work to get to read more often. As an aside, her skin is amazing, especially for her approximate age. You are absolutely gorgeous, as well. I also wanted to mention your stunning backdrop. I want to find it and hang it somewhere in my home just to look at it and be happier. :0) Happy new baby.

@lancewalker2595 Ай бұрын

You should check out Camille Paglia.

@juliagriffiths3291 Ай бұрын

Brilliant Mary ❤ her book. I am with her. Lies we have been fed.

@mariahrossi3072 Ай бұрын

In an agrian society children are also part of the household economy. Thus moving the focus of work out of the home also devalued children.

@skylinefever 23 күн бұрын

This is something people don't like to face. When kids don't have an ROI, why have any?

@JohnHenrysaysHi Ай бұрын

Welcome back, Lila! Was happy to see a new episode in my podcast feed on my phone this morning! Hope you and your family are well. Really enjoyed your previous episodes on femininity and masculinity, so thank you for covering this related topic further. Also, yesterday's Live Action video S*xual Ethics: Rome to Christianity was great imo! The visual quality was stunning. Thank you for being so loving for the dignity of life! Hope you and your family have a light-filled peaceful joyful week!

@aenigmatica8 Ай бұрын

Such a great conversation. Let’s take back the feminism label!

@arthurw8054 Ай бұрын

I have read and most highly recommend Mary's book, Feminism Against Progress. She's one of a very, very few contemporary thinkers who actually sparked a paradigm shift in my thinking. Great interview, thanks.

@cm2019 Ай бұрын

Thank you for this interview!

@vitspenatek455 Ай бұрын

The worst lie we tell girls is that they can do everything men can. But the competition is solely defined by terms of men's success. When they keep losing, then, they feel inferior, powerless, inadequate. All the while the society keeps hammering them with every successful woman who got a great job, founded a business or won a race. I saw what that thinking does to a woman and it was just miserable. I can barely distinguish basic colours, I could live in a cave and I wouldn't be bothered and first and for all, I'm horrible at having babies. Yet nobody aims to diminish my value because of that. Why do we do that only to women? ... Love Mary, love her book and how she giggles. Thanks for bringing her on.

@chrismassie3493 Ай бұрын

Also not that the Industrial Revolution replaced all the important jobs that women found honor in with machine. Clothes being made at a factory instead of a wife sitting at a fabric loom for 100s of hours to clothe the family. Is a big change in what a women did. Men made machines to make there women’s lives easier but removed the tasks that gave them purpose besides just having children

@chivalryisdead6440 Ай бұрын

Goes to show you that automation or industrialisation is only useful given the precondition that it improves quality of life. ... chances are that if events of the past 200 years would have taken place of the course of 2000 years it may well have been better for humanity because it would have given people more time to adapt their cultures more appropriately.

@halevirginia9523 Ай бұрын

Mary is such an incredible thinker, I'm so grateful for her work. Her book was one of the best I ready last year. Thank you so much for this interview!

@Joshua-eo5hr Ай бұрын

Feminism was never about equality

@Weavileiscool Ай бұрын

Wollstonecraft mostly was but ever since then it hasn’t been

@DennisNeijmeijer Ай бұрын

It has always been about advocacy for women. Can be interpreted as striving for equality where women are behind. But the disinterest in taking a step back when women are ahead shows the intention was always Forward fpr women, no matter the position of men. So it's a supremacy movement now women have caught up but are not slowing down.

@asparagus5428 Ай бұрын

Lol.

@Nylon_riot Ай бұрын

Womens lib was funded by Rockefeller and Carnegie because they needed more factory workers and the government wanted a new tax base. As well as kids now having to be put into schools for indoctrination, also started by Rockefeller and Carnegie to make more factory workers.

@chivalryisdead6440 Ай бұрын

Nope. At first it was about redefining the position of women under the influence of early industrialism. After that it was solely about (hedonistic) freedoms that hardly improve quality of life (or undermine it).

@fortunefair Ай бұрын

53:41 "signal scrambler" excellent term

@christinelynch1111 Ай бұрын

I did a lot of head nodding during this interview. Mary speaks a lot of truth regarding the history of the nuclear family in an agrarian to industrial society. I would add that my childhood in the 70s and 80s included neighbors that were home in an overall Judeo Christian society. In several neighborhoods we've lived, neighbors aren't available, no one is home or want to visit like I grew up with. Not many women stay home these days. It's a totally different world!

@chivalryisdead6440 Ай бұрын

Agreed. I wonder what her thoughts are on the development of the role of grandparents. Particularly because we have lost the cultural focus on stable families where there would have been an ideal 'vacancy' for grandparents to look after grandchildren while parents were working. It may well have been a perfect 'stabilizing influence' in households. But instead for some reason we've put grandparents in independant households where they can contribute much less.

@katiestevenson8920 Ай бұрын

As globalization has increased more people have had to continually relocate to advance their career. People no longer live close to extended family. Plus people love their privacy and independence which is less when living in close proximity to family.

@grannyannie2948 Ай бұрын

First time listener, it was recommended by Mary being your guest. I am not American and I was interested by your prolife stance which I share. My country has socialised health care and scans are performed at six weeks as part of the confirmation of pregnancy. They are obviously tiny babies. I don't know why it is such a charged topic in the US. My state doesn't have abortion, not because its ilegal but because not a single doctor is prepared to perform one. I've never heard a woman complain.

@truthnotlies Ай бұрын

What country is this??

@grannyannie2948 Ай бұрын

@@truthnotlies Australia

@desireegreen653 Ай бұрын

Really? Australia doesn't have abortion? I didn't know that!

@desireegreen653 Ай бұрын

Wikipedia says it's legal there...

@grannyannie2948 Ай бұрын

@@desireegreen653 If you read my comment, I say it is not available in my state. My state is not the entire country.

@shaulkramer7425 Ай бұрын

Mary Harrington is one of the most important voices for women to listen to...

@racheljames7 Ай бұрын

Not even close. Harrison Butker spoke more truth in 20 minutes.

@Weavileiscool Ай бұрын

⁠@@racheljames7he’s not the best speaker unlike her

@aquious953 Ай бұрын

If women believed replacing water with gasoline on firetrucks would be better for firefighting, they would spend eternity lobbying to continue the process, regardless.

@skylinefever 23 күн бұрын

Perhaps the greatest movement won't be using facts and logic, it will be better programming code for the NPCs.

@joekeegan937 Ай бұрын

Thank you for a very interesting interview.

@b.melakail Ай бұрын

Mary is great

@AnastasiaR Ай бұрын

Love this!! Mary is so wise

@jvrza373 Ай бұрын

Excellent conversation.

@hengineer Ай бұрын

I think its not that you arent against progress, i think its a question of what exactly IS progress. How does that manifest to you?

@desireegreen653 Ай бұрын

Ring by Spring 💍 My daughter went to a Christian college and that's a saying there. Meaning aim to be engaged to a good man by Spring of senior year. She is applying for medical school, and she was very focused that she preferred to begin building her family during her undergrad. She hopes to have a baby during her residency. She has wonderful women 15-50 years older than her encouraging her, mentoring her spiritually, professionally, and in marraige and family. That's what is working for her.

@bumpercoach Ай бұрын

Imagine if there was a pill which would allow a HORSE to now TALK at the cost of NOT RUNNING or carrying a rider... would you do that?

@ianmiles2505 Ай бұрын

I am not a horse.

@bumpercoach Ай бұрын

@@ianmiles2505 and yet there's something magnificent you're uniquely for ... the reason we all "that's ok you have other talents" when a woman can't have her own children is because its such a profound tragedy

@Laurefin Ай бұрын

Yes! Lila and Mary! What a treat ❤

@LillyAlbright Ай бұрын

Even though I don't have a baby I think I will buy a case of Pampers!!!

@zgobermn6895 Ай бұрын

Mary is always interesting!

@simshengvue5799 Ай бұрын

Who were the feminists going against the maternalists. I would like to know who they were and what their objectives are

@ianmiles2505 Ай бұрын

Me too. But one thing is certain they hate us.

@GairikGhosh-bx8ks Ай бұрын

Bottom line. Her husband is the reason she managed this far. Pretty based.

@DennisNeijmeijer Ай бұрын

She definitely got bailed out. At least she doesn't claim to have done it on her own steam.

@chivalryisdead6440 Ай бұрын

It seems so yes. This woman is very very clever for sure. ... but it may well be that the real genius is her husband. Hard to say.

@Pinkui Ай бұрын

Very nice and educational interview. She was able to explain a lot of open points in my discussion with my daughter over feminism, the role of women in society together with the rampant misogyny that we see these days. As usual Lila, very good content

@ianmiles2505 Ай бұрын

Rampant myisiogeny? Carry on.....

@chivalryisdead6440 Ай бұрын

... rampant misoginy? If there's any rampant sexism nowadays it would by misandry. As a response there may be some actual misoginy here and there... but the root cause is misandry. Did you listen to the interview?

@zusterMalikaLithgow Ай бұрын

What I miss in this interview is the importance of clothing and the rise of the mini skirt at the same time "the pil" came on the market. The pressure that was put on women to dress themselves in a sexy and provocative way. And that fashion and make up became very important. Women became pleasers who need to look young and willing. And so they became competitors for each other with revenge and jealousy in their hearts. And men laughed at it and made jokes about it.

@MrMark595 Ай бұрын

Well, there is sweeping generalisation collapsjng all complexity if ever I saw it.

@MB-yl9hm Ай бұрын

You have a 5 year olds understanding of history

@samgraham8430 Ай бұрын

@@MB-yl9hm Sophomoric at best

@sarahsanford3682 Ай бұрын

As if women never competed with each other in looks before in history before the mini skirt. 😂

@elizabeth.601 Ай бұрын

I think you are correct. The pill enabled sex to be given and taken on demand "consequence free" (all though it can never really be consequence free the pill just makes it appear that way) and with that came a focus on sex purely for arousal and pleasure. And therefore there was a focus on women to start marketing themselves for free sex to men. Women in hollywood etc... fully leaned into that and it influenced younger generations

@womenagainstfeminismreturns Ай бұрын

I would so love to interview you and other non feminist women.

@dubbomarcus Ай бұрын

Feminism has ruined modern western society. I’m a dedicated Batchelor because what feminism has done to women and society.

@jonahtwhale1779 Ай бұрын

She has nit changed! Her views are still driven by what she wants. When young she wanted the freedom to live life consequence free. With no bad outcomes f o r her. Now her wants have changed. Now she wants life to be stable and consequence free, at others expense! With no bad outcomes for her.

@samgraham8430 Ай бұрын

Who wants bad outcomes? She sounds like someone who's lived a life full of consequences and growth as a result of it.

@daltonbrasier5491 Ай бұрын

@samgraham8430 what consequences?

@racheljames7 Ай бұрын

@samgraham8430 But she hasn't had any consequences. She's been extremely lucky and shouldn't be held up as an example because the likelihood is if you live that kind of life, you will get STDs, will be rendered infertile and will end up alone.

@racheljames7 Ай бұрын

I agree. She's still a feminist. If we're going to listen to any women, they should be authentic Catholics like Mother Angelica.

@vklnew9824 Ай бұрын

@@samgraham8430 defense-bot

@mikem.s.1183 Ай бұрын

Knowing the roots of feminism (ie, 1st Wave Feminism) lie in neomarxism, occultism, free love and dislike for family values, I wonder: - WHY Harrington still considers herself a feminist - WHY Ms. Rose said that technology has had a much deeper impact on women (something Jordan Peterson erroneously considers), especially considering how almost 300 years ago the industrial revolution DID NOT have the impact current tech is having on relationships This is exactly why we must regard anyone who considers herself a feminist with a ton of caution.

@RainbowDevourer Ай бұрын

I agree that she only focuses on the materialist aspect of the feminist movement. I think she should read Occult Feminism, if she has not already. But why do you assert that it is an error to overestimate the impact technology had to the spread of feminism. As far as I can tell, feminism is only able to spread once a certain level of production is reached and tech makes work less dependent on physical strength. - From what I understand, the impulse behind feminism was always lurking in the background, but could only spread to the extent it has done today once a certain tech level was reached. If the tech disappears, the necessity of survival will abolish feminism quickly, or so I would think. But I would love to hear your argument on it.

@chivalryisdead6440 Ай бұрын

@@RainbowDevourerAgreed. I could not have asked the same question in a better way. It seems that the developments of the past 200 years impacted the lives of women more deeply than men making it more difficult for women to redefine culture along with men.

@chivalryisdead6440 Ай бұрын

This woman is not a feminist. I don't understand why she calls herself a feminist. I am positive it undermines the goal of reaching the people she needs to be reaching. I would go as far as saying that if this woman calls herself a feminist it is a bit emberassing. Very very good content. Underrated (for now).

@DebraCozad 22 күн бұрын

I don't agree with the " word feminist " as same as men ...to me is our differences recognized but honored...equality doesn' t mean the same...equality means there must be a difference to create this issue...we are not in competition with men...we are not the same....so competition is moot

@DebraCozad 22 күн бұрын

Ezer = rescuers and strength is proper translation not helper used to cringe whenever I heard this Bible verse, I went straight into defensive mode. I don’t want to be a “helper” or “help meet”, that sounds so lame. Like I was made to be an assistent or servant to a man. This my dear sisters is a lie, you are made for so much more. In Hebrew the word used is Ezer Kenegdo and this is a difficult word to translate into English or any other language. The meaning of Ezer Kenegdo Ezer has originally two meanings in Hebrew, depending on the pronunciation: to rescue/to save and to be strong. In the Old Testament the word Ezer is used 21 times. We can roughly divide the different Scriptures in three ways the word “Ezer” is used: 1. Ezer used for the woman. Show list of Scriptures 2. Ezer used for nations to whom Israel appealed for military aid. Show list of Scriptures 3. Ezer used for God as Israel’s helper. Show list of Scriptures What these Bible verses have in common is that Ezer is used consistently in military context. The Ezer is a warrior. You are a warrior. The Hebrew word Kenegdo means opposite as to him or corresponding as to him. A woman is no better or less than the man. Man and woman are equally and uniquely created, a perfect fit.

@yvesgysel9834 Ай бұрын

You guys have your equality now. Enjoy it. You can defend yourself and work for yourself... You can live your dream's. Join the military. Having your fun...

@ianmiles2505 Ай бұрын

They have opened the doors of Europe to those than would overrun us. They eliminated millions of potential humans. Think about this in terms of numbers and pure potential.

@skylinefever 23 күн бұрын

And if you think if mandating quotas, make sure women pump 50% of septic tanks.

@Vickzq Ай бұрын

It's just feminism, not fake feminism. Declaring men, family and religion as enemies since day #1.

@asparagus5428 Ай бұрын

No. Women didn't have personage, legal and financial independence in pre+industrial times. That's quite the rewriting of history. Women were treated as livestock until they had en early d from childbirth number 10/15. There is a lot to agree with in what Mary says, but without financial independence and the human right of bodily autonomy women are, and will remain, men's property.

@inquisitor4635 Ай бұрын

Livestock? I currently have 150 dairy cows fenced in on my pasture. Back in the day those would have been women contained en masse? Or would a man traditionally have just one wife, unless a Mormon? Coverture certainly legally regarded a man's one wife as his property, but with that he subsumed all liabilities for her as his own liabilities. That was actually a benefit for her with that particular status in muchbm harder times when survival was more paramount than in the current post-modern western society.

@michaelholycross2633 Ай бұрын

You're delusional. Women could, in fact, own businesses, albeit limited in scope, as far back as the Middle Ages. You may also want to investigate Eleanor of Aquitaine and the concept of courtly love.

@chivalryisdead6440 Ай бұрын

It pleases me that this is the only bitter feminist comment that turned up in the comment section. Either be honest about history or sink deeper into the bitterness of modern feminism. Your choice... you are strong and independant right? Good luck. Hahaha!

@user-jy4bd3bo6y Ай бұрын

Some woman want man to suit up nicely but say man cannot tell her what to wear. If you want a rich man for his money, he want your pretty face for his pleasure. You treat him like a wallet, he treat you like object. It is very simple. Conclusion, treat people like you want to be treated. This is just random fact for woman out there, most of you are clueless. You are welcome. Btw, this has nothing to do with your videos

@skylinefever 23 күн бұрын

I often say that if women complain atbout being sex objects, men should feel free for being considered financial or labor objects.

@malhenning1608 Ай бұрын

So the question is "which women as a man do you actually listen to?" I listen to Mary the reactionary feminist.

@racheljames7 Ай бұрын

As a man, dont listen to women at all. You're supposed to be leaders, now start acting like one.

@ianmiles2505 Ай бұрын

Of course you do.

@jonahtwhale1779 Ай бұрын

Just gynocentrism! She wants one set of advantages when she was younger but a different set when her wants change as she ages! It is only and always - society has to be forced to provide what is good for me!