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cant wait for 4th form papaluga to get 1 more second of curse uptime 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶

They better make the lugas good. This is literally their fourth chance to make them decent

One of the things I'm most annoyed about this update is that a lot of ubers STILL don't have 3rd forms, and they're already rolling out 4th forms despite that. Hell I would've been so much more hyped if they added Legend Rare 3rd forms before working on 4th forms.

Looking forward to NOVA PRO’s new video: “Fourth Form Lugas VS ALL BOSSES”

I'd have prefered Alternative forms instead of these, rather than having a next level, have an alternative TF that made the unit work different, I feel that would give more freedom to how they are designed as well.

This update defeats the whole purpose of "True Forms" - the final and strongest form a unit is supposed to have. The awesomeness of a unit getting "True Forms" would now lose its value because there is still another form that surpasses it. It's kinda like the Super Saiyan God form in Dragon Ball. Super Saiyan God is supposed to be some sort of "legend among legends" thing, this is what made it so special. However, this form kinda got forgotten because of the existence of stronger forms like SSGSS and Ultra Instinct.

Can’t wait for a 5 gold fruit, 10 aku fruit and 10 relic fruit for lasvoss 4th form 💀

i agree with everything said but im also irrationally peeved about the nerfed tornado carnival rewards tbh 🤧

This is probably the one thing that i'm worried about and this was the same thought ever since Ultra Talents got released and it is game balancing. Ok hear me out I like the idea of Ultra Talents and 4th form but what i REALLY hated about this is that its locked off by level 60. And you know what happens with units reaching higher level? Higher stats. With the implementation of UT and 4th form combined with high stats means that game balancing will change. You see what happened with the existence of Courier. Many behemoths with high stats appeared and the same goes with Luza. What was initially thought to be the counter for Megamojoe ended up becoming the birth of Ibilujon which is one of the worst behemoths to exist in this game. Now with 4th forms. I'm afraid of newer level stage design and newer enemies coming out. You see what happen to Windy. Having Insane damage and Nyandam like range means tougher floating enemy stages. And that's only without talents. With talents she's busted. Like yeah i like big numbers but this is too much. Same goes with other ubers that have UT like W&P, Coppermine and Shingen. With level 60 and UT they're busted for their specific niches. And this is only the beginning. We don't know what other busted stuff will come out with UT and 4th form. Going to your opinion about lower rarity. I thought about it and i agree. They really should just focus on them more than Ubers. If they focus on these ubers with UT and 4th form only that means most of the stage's difficulty are based around the high stats of those said ubers. I'm sorry if i sound like i'm complaining about this but man I just hate that this game goes further with high stats vs high stats. Yeah game's 11 years old now but damn. We already have barons and behemoths and what did they do? Give units with high stats to fight against them and they are ONLY focusing on ubers like wtf. Ponos i know you want money but this is just scummy and greedy.

I think 13.0 was a throw away update. As 13 is a bad number in English ( 4 in japan). They glossed over update 4 too. Probably didn't want all their ul work to come down to bad luck

They BETTER add more ways to get Dcatseye and Uber catseye in the next couple' of updates because with the increasing appearance of Ultra Talents and now these new 4th form cats, we're going to need A LOT of them.

I (rebbydoesstuff) was the guy who expressed my annoyance at the “boost and resources” necessary for the 4th forms and I found it kinda funny that the immediate Lucas take was that I was talking about exclusively bgems and special fruits when less than a few chat prompts later he went on a rant about Dark eyes/Lv 60 which was what I was getting at in the first place lmao

Windy said it's her turn to be an ultra busted galaxy gal

I like the idea of 4th forms being a sort of rebalance attempt for units. The thing is though, is that it is just ANOTHER rebalancing mechanism like talents and orbs. The reason why units don't release with true forms is because Ponos wants to see the unit in action before deciding on how to buff it for a true form. The main point of why 4th forms need to exist that you made in the video is that it allows for Ponos to implement crazier mechanical changes, like range, multi hits, and funky ld shenanigans. But at that point, why not just rebalance the unit? For my knowledge, Battle Cats has never had a proper rebalance of units. Now, I don't think Ponos needs to nerf overpowered units, its a single player game, nobody's forcing you to roll for OP units. There's no PvP mode that forces players to abide by the metagame. But for the lame units that just don't see action, why do we need 4th forms or ultra talents? Why can't we just have a balance change update? The only reason I could perceive is cuz "Muh greedy company", but that's a boring response to what I feel is an interesting idea. Why don't we have balance changes in Battle Cats? Why not just make it so all of Windy's forms have insane damage instead of massive damage? Why not make all her 4th form changes part of her true form? The only reason I can really think as to why we should have 4th forms/ultra talents is because these buffs are only necessary for the late game and would be busted for the early game. But even then, people get carried by busted ubers all the time, so the addition of 4th forms seems kinda pointless when you could just rebalance the unit.

Still Missing: Shingong and Rover Talents EOC Legend (Beans, Moneco, Valk and Bahamut) Talents SL Legend Talents Foodstall, Present, Marshmallow cats true forms UL Legend Talents (At least Dogumaru and Urs need them) Super, Miasma, Tea Master, Voda, Boomerang, Slime and Rock cats true forms (Though the ladder two don't need them yet) Idi and Jangando True Forms (Fillibuster got one so clearly invasion unit true forms are allowed) Monthly even units talents Other SR/R Gatcha talents (Cat Jobs, Sniper the Heavy, Rich Cat the Third, Cat Base Mini, etc) True Forms/Talents for 90% of collab ubers Gatcha SR/R Ultra Talents or similar mechanic Manic Moneko Sirius true form (Final ___ Buster Exclusive) Remaining Summer, Winter and Halloween ubers true forms (Possibly other season banners ubers too) Remaining Ubers Ultra Talents Remaining Legend Rare true forms Legend Rare Talents Possibly exclusive uber true forms like Princess cat and the Li'l Valkyrie's We got Uril, Bean Cats and the Brainwashed units true forms recently so that's a start but there's still quite a lot to do before we need to add yet another possible form/talent feature for ubers to add more progression.

Seeing that some of the ubers got a ultra form, like windy was bonkers (also rip massive dmg orb)

4th forms have always been a bad concept to me Mainly because the idea of it just sounds stupid to me and because if they did add it (which they did) people will *expect* other units to get 4th forms

i feel like ponos is trying to move the game away from like strategies everyone can do to like playing with the ubers that you have, like i'm assuming their just trying to make ubers more expected at this point.

At least they gave Windy more clothing like you asked for!

It feels like this update was tailored towards the longtime and hardcore players who have the patience and energy to play 24/7. Which is unbelievably fucking stupid.

Honestly, ponos should just make either UTs or 4th forms unlockable at lvl 50 so that non ubers get something again Or the worse option of making darkseyes/a new eye that effect(s) non ubers...

I remember looking at 4th forms and being like: "Oh this is gonna be a game changer!" And then i saw the units that got it. The first unit that got 4th form should've been skelecat

We're 4th forms needed? Probably not, but are they cool tho? Yeah absolutely. Powercreep be creepin, nonetheless.

I would fucking love legend units 4th forms. Give lil nyandam a CHANCE

12:59 Honestly even though I use extreme uber carry i still really want talents for shigong and rover given they are really important units to have in general. Supercat would also be nice since it has potential but has been forgotten about by ponos

I do wish we could've got 4th forms initially instead of ultra talents. These are so much better. I also really hope we get some 4th forms for certain non-uber units like pastry and valk and whatnot. (Also... i honestly think PONOS just forgot about catellite and shigong ☹️)

It really is disappointing how little new non-uber stuff we get now. The only non-uber stuff in this update is Uril TF. Also Green Stone Desert IV got nerfed so thats cool ig.

At this state of the game 4th forms we’re NOT necessary yet, I honestly just want to just Rebalance, nerf or buff cat units, it would be better just fixing bad characters, instead of insanely expensive and grindy methods to potentially fix them. And second of all, so many Ubers don’t even have TFs, like… uberfest and epic, they should have TFs, maybe just not so hard to get TFs that don’t change much since they are overpowered, but Iz and Garu would really need a big boost in a TF.

When i first saw 4th form i was kinda excited, but now that you say it, it does feel like a massive cash grab. I think they could fix the issue if maybe you can unlock 4th form at lvl 50 (so theres a chance all cats can have one instead of only ubers), i thunk this would make more sense because if you wanted ulyra talents then you push to lvl 60, i know this is a bad comparison since i dont really grind alot but i have colected like a total of 13 dark cats eyes since they where added, and i really dont think it would matter if they increased the cost for 4th form if you only needed lvl 50

you know UT and UF are a bit cheating by creating Lv60 as main requirement at that level, everyone is so strong already that any changes made to them will be good regardless for example, if akira's aku typing talent were added as regular talent, it will be shit because he doesn't have key ability to fight aku but it works as Ultra Talent because Lv60 provides all necessary stats to pull it out

As someone who started 2 weeks ago, and just got Oda Nobunaga AND Momotaro yesterday, I am quite hyped, even tho I am still in EoC c3 still, but I am happy they get cooler :3

I'm just thinking why 4 froms why not jelly cat true form or talents on cats that dont have any. I benn waiting for cattlite talents

I really wanted them to give Fest ubers 3rd forms first tbh. But I am curious if Rares and Super Rares will get 4th forms too, eventually. Or even normals and Specials...

The new floors of infernal tower were missed opportunities to feature the tier 2 advent bosses

I’ve just thought, if they are making forth forms then why the hell did they make fallen Aku bear have to exist when it could of just been the forth form of teacher bear cat? WHERE IS CAN CAN 4TH FORM? WHERE IS ISSUN BOSHI and Daliasans TRUE FORMS? Where are all these catseyes going to come from, gamatoto sure as shit aint giving them to me. (Edited)

The only major complaints I have with the update are that the 4th forms require 15 Darkseyes, which is scarce as hell, and the fact that now they have a second thing to do besides ultra-talents. Now PONOS has to do another thing for the game and im pretty sure that one of these is going to end up half-assed innfavor of the other. They should have either stuck with ultra-talents or not done them at all. Not only that, where are things like the Legend true forms, we got it for babel at 12.2 and literally nothing else. They could have at least bothered to once in a while add one.

Heavenly tower was made to give players more access to catfruit, seeds, and tickets. Infernal tower was made to give players more access to catseye, gold/aku/relic/epic seeds, and a variety of materials. I could see a third tower being made in the far off future for items like stones, gems, more dark catseye, even more materials, and whatever new items Ponos may introduce in the future.

wait, this is the first time a new talen was added so to speak, this means 'increased doge' , and 'teleport' or more unused or enemy only feats might have a chance to be added o.o are magine like, balrog with 'burror' or something

One thing I want to add is that I question their commitment to the 4th forms, as you have shown is that there is only 14 units have received Ultra talents despite them being a thing sense the beginning of this year, and even if they were hell bent on focusing on ubers, there are other, more acceptable options. Like a new legend rare true form, we havent had one since the same update with Ultra talents. Which was back in January. Maybe give some of the colossus slayers a true form like Hanzo for instance. I would personally prefer more of a focus on non uber cats, maybe not a new advent, but perhaps new gacha non limited rare/ super rare would be cool! Perhaps an addition to the limited units or perhaps a crazed / brainwashed / lil superfiline is in the cards. So many ideas, yet they chose THIS! I am just spitballing here, so probably some or even all of these ideas suck.

ponos is just pwercreeping ubers up to 11 because to get specific ubers sometimes you have to spend money on the agme and i agree shigong and catelite deserve talents

@LucasIVYT, just got my very first Legend Rare today, Lumina!! From a regular ol’ Rare Ticket of all things! Got her up to level 39 and she’s a beast. Any suggestions or tips on how I should use her, to make the most of her?

I wish super cat true form is like super feline where it just gets even smaller but somehow 4 times as strong but in my opinion the true form should knock back and instead of wave blocker it has wave reflector but to compensate for how broken this could be for wave stages make it have even less range than before

Tbh, if these 4 forms are going to be insanely busted and possibly game changing, they should keep dark eyes extremly rare, except when your in really late game, cause if dark eyes were common, ponos might make starred zl balanced around 4 form ubers. But they should really make a different dark eye farming then labyrinth, becauss you can only go as far as the amount of units you have, which isn't really fair.

Imagine talents for basic cats, eraser cost reduction and health boost for the win 🥶

I don't really know what to think about 4th forms... The biggest problem is that if getting catfruits and behemoth remains the same this forms will literally be almost impossible to get and to just upgrade some new abilities that will do not much in the bigger picture

I just want my one true waifu, Catellite, to get talents... I still don't know how I feel about the 4th forms. Money, Ponos as a company, I understand that, but the 4th forms are so unecessary. I am happy that Windy, as my first uber, was one of the first to get one.

I really hope they add a way to craft dark eyes through Ototo Corps. It would be nice if we could merge one or even two of every cat eye and get a single dark cat eye.

Since my Mad Doctor Clay is now Level 60, I can’t wait to get the 4th Form in 2026!! Although I really want Mad Doctor Clay’s 4th form to target Floating and Angel. Maybe an immunity to toxic attacks as well.

What’s the chance they’ll give ultra tallents/form to ramen after seeing this, or another powercreeped unit

I literally thought that people were joking when they were talking about 4th forms, now I see this

I do think with the development of 4th forms fest true forms probably aren't that far off

Its amazing how we have 4 forms but not true froms for epic and uberfest ubers XD

There's many cats that would get a lot of help with true forms or ultra talents yet they add 4th forms and still dont make dark eyes easier to get.

I’m not even a no uber player and I feel the exact same way I hate how they ignore nonubers, slime, mighty, I WANT USE VODKA CAT I MEAN LOOK AT HIS LIL LEGS KICK, I also thought we’d be getting talents for advent cats but tbh we don’t need more ways to spend np but idk fourth forms could’ve waited

I don't get why they limit these things to just ubers, I saw 4th forms and I really want them to be for behemoth egg cats, to give them another form other than just a dang egg, but I guess that might not happen.

also u forgot to mention that they completly forgot about crazed moneko and her tf like they managed to add a fully new normal cats type and give it tfs before crazed moneko tf

El problema con las 4th formas en la EN version es la manera tan complicada que es conseguir dark cat eyes realmente el concepto esta bien pero es un poco complicado y poe ejemplo oda dios sigue siendo malo el tipo aku era tan innecesario en el la verdad la version 13 decepciono hubiera preferido aku realms 2 xd

How do you get so many dark cateyes.. do you think they’ll add anything to make them more accessible?

I expect ponos to make darkeyes cavern i gamatoto to make 15% chance to get 1 eye per hour. But you need to have at least 9 golden recruits, 1 legend rare recruit. And 150 lvl gamatoto and 16000 user rank.

The update has been large as said , tho as Ponos planned to NERF the green stone forest IV To increase the magnification on cadaver bears to 300 to 350.

4th forms are hype but i am very scared to see some of my favorite units get shafted with their 4th and probably final true form. Mainly im looking at my boys the lugas. And mainly mainly im looking and nekoluga. I feel like he deserves a really good 4th form since all of his talents plus his ultra talents suck ass. Not to mention his brothers and sisters do his niche way better. Id like to see him as a damage dealer, either with waves or a savage blow ability. Hell give him a new ability to do savage waves or some shit. I feel like for the very first uber in the game, they have fucked him into obscurity.

Having 4th forms is really cool, but the execution is weird, only a couple cats are getting them so far, and it still feels like some cats are waiting on 3rd forms or talents

I would've like this update if it was for lv50 bc it makes it more accesible but lv60... Maybe I just hate going for dark eyes...

The talent orb thing shouldn’t matter tbh. Insane damage is a much better upgrade and that orb can go to something else considering windy already has 70k dos to floatings lmao

Valkyrie has been neglected for years i feel like she wold have potential or maybe 4 form

I feel like the main issue here is that true forms are supposed to be final forms

When will we get fest true forms? Also we need better ways to farm dark cat eyes and behemoth stones

Nova pro licking his lips deviously at this update...

I would much rather have them jump ship with ultra talents given how expensive of an np investment they are. I can afford to grind 15 dark eyes. I cannot afford 200+ np per talent for Ubers

I have gotten a lot of mileage oht of Coppermine, I think her strongest tool is how cost efficent/fast she can be deployed for the damage she can deal. Its also funny to turn her into a specific trait burner by giving her two attack orbs of the same trait. She is just a fun unit, definitely felt worth the dark catseyes. I tend to prioritize untis I feel have potential/units I like

If they added 4th forms to others soon, they need luffian gear 4

I just wish for them to fix Gaia's hitbox a bit.

To be honest, i believe that, alongside mighty katapult's 4th form, this is a new chance for units to become stronger. For example, as i mentioned before, mighty katapult used to be the worst or atleast among the worst of the iron legion set. With the 4th form, i'd rank it about rekonkorps level. Other underpowered units like the nekolugas would hopefully have very very good 4th forms. Though i have one complaint. Instead of 4th form, they couldve done something different, like paths that you can choose between (like bloons td6). The paths could add more imaginative designs and stats. For example, i think that lufalan's kit type is very unique. Honestly, not a bad update but couldve been better. -Dxmxn

I really hope these get used for units other than ubers, or at least give some rares/super rares ultra talents + access to dark catseyes. Gonna be pretty sucky if they just limit it to rng based gacha ubers

reminder that we got 4th forms before catalite and shigong got talents

PONOS making fourth forms and ultra talents for ubers only when the true hype stuff would be giving them to te normal everyday rares.

This is so epic. So when’s Uber/epicfest third forms

What do you mean? I love having to farm Dark Catseyes in order to make Dio usable!

I wonder if even the Normal Cats are getting Fourth Forms

Can you believe it guys? TEVI! Just 2 weeks away!

i dont get it why cant you show enemies or uril true form? i just looked at them and they seem fine

Me (as a mid game player) can't even get 4th forms because they gatekeep all the new cool stuff for super-late game players in zl

I really feel like 4th forms should have been exclusive to the normal cats and the other variants, or just story's cats. The other idea with 4th forms that would have been great is if the did like a "dark hero's" thing and make the 4th form a completely different use for the cat. Thinking closer to Bahamut/ A. Bahamut. But whatever we'll see if (like you said) they add this for non Uber. Sighhhhh

Haven’t watch battle cats content for months… this is really what I’m coming back to? Jeez… what about the people who haven’t beaten zero luza or gotten the specific ubers suppose to do w/ this info?

Shingong cat waiting for talents besides Cattelite: 💀

I feel like with how fourth forms have been made i honestly just really want to see kai's hog just turn into a friggin minature tank

I imagine they are locking the 4th forms to Ubers because they are deathly afraid of what a potential ramen or cameraman 4th form could unleash upon the world

Imagine if they add fourth forms to normal and crazed cats

At this point I'm wondering if we will ever get a true form for uber and epicfest ubers.

Where's the slime tf that makes him have a way shorter tba?

Why won't they change units stats directly? This would fix courier, dasli, lugas and many other things

I doubt 4th forms for non-ubers will ever come since having high +levels for rares and super rares for endgame players is expected. 4th forms are more possible for non-gacha units but I doubt it will ever happen. Ngl, I kinda like the exclusivity that Ubers have and I think it’s completely fine for them to have that exclusivity.

Personally the only thing I like about this update is that Oar finally got talents and curse immune

we have a chance, we can get gacha rares to +10 and get lvl 60. Now we need to wait

Windy was my first uber and I use her regularly so I see this update as a win

Can’t wait for kasa jizo ultra form to be a 5 star hotel with a three Michelin star restaurant and a spacious outdoor pool and a planetarium

So other units need buffs?

I can't really give ponos benefit of the doubt BUT they would have to be much more careful with talents for rares and supers as they are more spammable, talents will count for more What I'd like to get talents or 4th form is surgeon cat, coz he poopy

true, i was very much dissapointed with the things added, and we had to wait longer than usual for an update, fuck lol. what you say in the video is a reaaaally good point