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The scene when Loki confronts Odin to know the truth is the best scene in my opinion. Hiddleston's acting is fantastic.

As a wise man was say... "The real Villain of DC is Warner bros"

Loki’s ready to commit genocide against his own race just to earn the approval of Anthony Hopkins 😂😂

Thor 1 is definitely underrated. The father, step-brother, brother relationship has many elements from my life i found very relatable.

Ares, the Greek god of war, secretly being the English general was fine, but why did he stay an old English guy when they fought? Why didn't he turn into a younger Greek guy?

It should have been a video about why Thor Ragnarok worked and wonder woman 2 didn't... Maybe...

I would say Wonder Woman thematically feels more like CA: First Avenger. But I also think most people liked Wonder Woman would say it "did work". The thing that makes Thor a better movie is Loki. Loki is a GREAT villain and has the screen presence required to upstage every Avenger whereas Ares is never a real threat. Loki may be not super powerful but there are always emotional stakes. Regardless of how many times he deceives Thor, he still genuinely cares for him.

I was honestly betting on that it was the Worthy Scene where he wasn’t able to acquire Mjolnir. The fact that he was stripped of his power and the weapon we all apply to Thor rejected him because he wasn’t ready was not only a plot twist, but was a huge character development scene

The major difference of the films is the direction of Kenneth Branagh of "Thor." He brought his experiences directing and producing Shakespeare to the production making "Thor" a mythical prototype. He also brought in Tom Huddleson who he was directing in an Ibsen play in England

Kenneth Branagh was the perfect director for Thor considering the Shakespearean style of the screenplay/plot. Definitely an underrated MCU movie!

"He also wants a life with Natalie Portman".......we can all relate.

I love how thoughtful these comparisons are. Also "And then Anthony Hopkins and Tom Hiddleston go to work for a living" too true.

The other reason was that we hadn't seen Diana being defeated, having troubles at fight. She was unstopable so there was no reason to even think that she could lose. It made her fights less suspenseful.

5:04 I just wanna remind you that loki never wanted the throne at the time, he only wanted a spot from his family

pls keep doing more of this kind!! "I liked it, ANOTHER!" - THOR

That point about the studio messing with the vfx quality. I remember feige speaking about how it took them 4months to make that grand entrance scene for the big battle in marvel end game. A visual masterpiece showing so much detail, man knows his business!!

The real difference is the villain. Loki is an excellent villain with perfect casting.

'The real Wonder Woman is the friends we made along the way' is quote of the year so far for me 😂😂😂

I agree and disagree with the "confined fight space" sometimes it's amazing to have the fight scenes in a confined place a great example is many of the Kill Bill fights the limited spaces really pulls you in but the same is true for an open space. One of the things Man of Steel does well is show what it would looked like if 2 Gods fought each other and all the destruction it would cause and then cutting to Bruce to show the devastation on the ground. An open fight is also what we get in the airport battle in Civil War, the fight is all over the place and that's what makes it so interesting

17:40 - "Irregardless" ugh I died a little inside

I love Wonder Woman, but in general, I criticize how they downplay or diminish her powers in all 4 movies in which she has appeared. Speaking for myself, if I watch a superhero movie, I want to see the characters use their powers.

I didn't like that much Thor when i saw it for the 1st time, but every time i've seen that movie afterwards, i've been liking it a little more, and now-a-days is one of my favorites

"He also desires a life with Natalie Portman." Me too, Thor, me too

Wonder Woman tried harder and stumbled in the climax. Thor aimed lower and stuck the landing in the climax. Wonder Woman is widely regarded as the better movie by critics and audiences, but Thor is probably the most consistent of the two.

Wow, this is AMAZING. I never realized the parallels in Thor and Wonder Woman until you pointed them out! Also, yeah that Wonder Woman end battle was just so hokey visually too. Very cool observation that you pointed out about sizes of fight arenas that if you make the arena too large, there's no grounding and the audience can't tell what's at stake.

I’ve got a soft spot for the first Thor film. I actually did a PowerPoint project on it for a college class, talking about the influence of Norse Mythology on it, and ended up with a 100%

I feel that this contradicts your video in which you explain why Wonder Woman does work and Captain Marvel doesn't

i definitely see your point, and I agree with the video, although I like how Wonderwoman looks overall with the photography. Thor's sideways frames always bother me

Always love to hear people appreciating the first Thor movie, especially with well thought out breakdowns.

I agree that the last 1/3 of WW was anti-climactic. It seemed tacked on. The villain didn't scare me at all. The rapport btwn Gal and Chris is best part of film.

I'm surprised no one talks about how goofy Aries looked with his old man head in his 'dark souls' like armor. It would have been much less goofy to do a full cg character and black out the facial features, giving him like glowing eyes or something.

My only disagreement with this analysis is on the twist itself. One big problem for the movie to begin with was it set up WWI Germany to be equally evil as WWII Germany, which simply was not the case. The twist was needed to fix that, to show that *all* humans are both good and evil. But how the twist was handled, the fight, etc., etc.: I agree.

I'd like to see the same kind of commentary about the last fight scene on WW84. It was so dark that I couldn't tell if it was actually Cheetah, a cast member from Cats or some weird human-like reflection over the screen.

8:31 well the hammer only became unliftable when odin enchanted it, so this is probably the first time he does it

Thor is heavily underrated. Although the film drags, has underdeveloped human characters, budget constraints, average visual effects even for a 2011 film and camera angles ( not the cinematography), the film was rich in its theme of humility, family and brotherhood. The shakespearan take for the characters was really good.

I even like Dark World shrug.

I liked both movies. But apart from the CGI mess of WW 3rd act, I liked WW more. Still, I think the 1st Thor movie is underrated. And I would still like to see the impossible…a Thor/WW team up 😁 as they’re both my favorite characters from their respective cinematic universes.

Always providing quality content Ryan, you’ve been getting me through being in this autoimmune-disease-related housebound state during this pandemic so thank you kindly sir ☺️👍🏼 Also I really loved your video on why Thor Ragnarocks!

I remember watching Wonder Woman the first time in theater and thinking in the end just how much of an absolute WASTE killing of Ares this early was. I still think so. The fact that Ares is shown to have been manipulating peoples minds into war and destruction for HUNDREDS of years should have been a plot twist for a much MUCH later point in the franchise when this truth can be interwoven into previous events/villains or even a gigantic plot twist in the "phase 2 or 3" of the DCEU they still tried to make happen at that point. The concept behind Ares characters as a villainous GOD has so much potential to turn the entire narrative of a whole cinematic universe into a new direction, but they just wasted him in the very first wonder woman movie that played almost one hundred years before the normal events of the DCEU, literally working directly AGAINST the huge narrative potential this villain had for the long game. I will never get over this and it bothers me every time I watch wonder woman

I love these breakdowns. Ryan, you do an amazing job!

Oh gosh, never knew how similar the movies are

Shocking WB adding unnecessary crap and overriding a solid director...

Honestly I thought wonder woman was a better movie by far. While yes the ending of Thor was better than that of Wonder Woman, the trenches scene was just fantastic. A lot of people who have dabbled in WW1(learning) know just how terrible trenches are. This paired with the city saving scene was beautiful. While both moves did have a lot of character development, I feel wonder woman did it better. While Thor learned about respect and life, Diana learned about the powerful things like war. She made huge sacrifices to attempt to fix a broken world, and the love of her life ended up making a similar sacrifice. In the end she learned that there is no “man is good” or “man is evil”, it’s that both traits exist in all people, and there is not always something you can do about it.

When Hiddleston Was crying tears at the end of the scene fighting his brother Thor at the end of Thor one it was gut wrenching and that’s when I knew I fell in love with loki

maybe it's because I paused it for 5 minutes at the 6 minute mark, but this was the best weighted video you've ever done. You toned down the puns, and showed the manager more. Thank you.

Always love these comparison videos

Great video Doug!

I enjoyed the WW movie overall but thought the ending was weak but couldn't articulate why. Your analysis makes sense. The point about use of space especially. Thanks!

Great video and thank you for the Garth Marenghi's Darkplace reference!

Now I want the Corridor Crew to enlighten the scene & Ares costume.

Considering WW84, unless WW ended with Ludendorf (?), I don't think Patty Jenkins ending would have been much better. Edit: Sorry, auto correct changed don't to do.

One of the best touches of Wonder Woman was having Ares be the one who drafted the treaty that was so punitive it guaranteed WWII, great way to subtly sow war.

Amazing explanation/comparison!

I want Loki's dad to love me too :c

Neo and Agent Smith's last fight was meant to be two powerful entities battling it out with no one winning. The unstoppable force verses the unmovable object, the point was how do we get back to the way things were and stop the war. No if they hurt each other in the fight. Thor and Loki' last fight was the top of the pyramid two arcs reaching the same point but both characters are where the other started kind of. With the added emotional weight of them being brothers. Now Wonder Woman's end was crap. They had the perfect ending and WB blew it big time. It linked in with Zack's shaky universe he was building. But then Wonder Woman 84 also destroys the good ending by fighting crime in the 80s in public. Then in BvS she is meant to be hiding since the end of WW1. With nobody seeing her. That clearly doesn't work. Wonder Woman was so close and yet so far. Still the best "DCEU" by far it just could have been so much better. Yet WB wonder why they are still far, far behind the MCU.

Brilliant. So well analyzed and such funny cutaways. The Downfall one was genius

Warner had such an amazing opportunity to make good DC movies but they just seem to not care. They were so desperate to be on pair with Marvel/Disney that they rushed everything and that's why he have weak storylines, unrelatable characters, pointless villains, some of the worst cgi, dark battles that you can't enjoy, etc. I mean, not everything has been bad. Some of the acting is good, a few of the stories are decent, a couple of scenes are really memorable, and overall you can enjoy most DC movies. And Marvel has had flaws too. But when the movie ends, you just know that it could have been way better and it's kind of sad to know that Warner will keep producing mediocre stuff because we will watch it anyway.

This was a fantastic analysis 👏🏾

Also reminds me of soft-hearted Luke "Father, I will not fight you." Thor didn't want to hurt Loki either.

How are people randomly coming out saying Thor was any good now? Everyone called Thor 1 and 2 trash and all of a sudden they are classics now.

One thing I appreciate about the WW ending, for lack of a better term, is how wacky it was. As disclaimers - it was tacked on and ruined an obviously better ending. When I saw it in the theater, my son had to use the bathroom right after Diana killed the general. I walked him out explaining that Ares is a very notable villain in the comics, but the movie is going for a message about man's capacity for inhumanity. Walked back in to Ares floating around with fire everywhere and I was like...oh, ok that's the guy I told you about I guess. Also, I agree the cgi was undercooked and Ares being tacked on this way prevented his presence from having enough emotional impact. So what I mean about appreciating? It's sort of a push and pull comic fans have with these movies, about what is wild enough without scaring away general audiences. And most of us know we went through a long phase of studios insisting the mainstream wouldn't accept things too outlandish. So, on some level, I did find it enjoyable that the British guy would pop up and yell "surprise!" before morphing into the God of War and setting everything ablaze. It felt fairly "comic book" zany, even if it stole something from the movie. Thor's final battle has more emotional weight and is the better film scene for sure. But, as a long time comic reader, Thor and Loki have felt underwhelming in the MCU as far as ability. Thor started inching closer with Ragnarok and up, but I still can't really picture Hemsworth hitting a Celestial hard enough to crack it, or having a fight with Gor so intense that neighboring planets break.

Good Stuff! I'm glad Doug is letting you off the leash.

I miss scene fights! I've always hated Wonder Woman's ending. It could've been better without it.

What would have helped WW1 is already having the fight scene so ppl would have time for everything like mentioned in the video. While the "humans destroy themselves, no Ares" might seem like the perfect ending it's not, this is a action movie so a ending big battle is essential 1 reason ppl go se superheroe movies is for those big action scenes. Patty Jenkins was so happy that WW2 didn't have a big villain ending battle and she was saying how the studio wanted one and she convinced them not to and all but she counted her chick way too early bc of if the main complaints of the movie was that there was no ending battle, like I said superhero movies need one, so if they had accounted for the final battle from the start I think WW1 would have turned out much better

One thing I can't get over about Wonder Woman was the villianizing of WW1 Germany. WW1 Germany was no worse than any of the other nations involved!

Weird. I always felt Wonder Woman was the stronger movie out of the two. I’m not even a fan of the recent slew of DC movies, but WW is strong as hell.

Wonder Woman: *has higher positive critical and audience reaction, made twice as much BO despite DCEU reception and is generally considered to be better than most DC and more than half of MCU films including the first lukewarm Thor movie* ScreenCrush: "I'm gonna ignore that"

Love Thor more but WW 1 was damn good introduction movie

" I could have done it father, I could have done it!! for you!! For us" when Lokis said that I felt his pain 💔

Wow such a great comparison. Thank you sir.

Garth Merengihi's Darkplace ! That was one epic reference

this dude is a great writer -- love your videos bro

Great video.

My favorite type of vids you make🙂✋

Hey Ryan, I've seen you mention Shazam in several videos but I haven't found you actually breaking down the movie live you've done for others, maybe I missed it, and if I have then maybe you could link it cause I'd love your perspective on it, and if I haven't maybe you could consider doing it?

Wait, Rene Russo has been my mom this whole time? It all makes sense now.

8:06 Loki: Bro, I'm right here. Why are you yelling? Thor: BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DO!

The lighting was my biggest complaint with wonder woman. I saw it at a drive in and could barely see anything going on

Amazing insights

I actually liked Ares scraping the face hole in his mask😅I thought shit was about to go down....but then it didn’t 🤦🏽‍♂️

thank you Ryan! 👍 so many people have asked me how I liked the first Wonder Woman movie. I always say "apart from it being late by around 40+ years, I loved it right up until the final fight scene which was just crap" I even like the twist actually but not the fight. nice to know that the real problem was WB. I've always felt that WB was the problem in all the DC movies or else DC. I know that the characters are better than what we've seen on screen and that there are so many more characters that deserve to be on screen. thanks for bringing facts to what I know in my heart. 👍

Although it’s bleak, i like the original WW ending. It would’ve been way more interesting if Diana learned that a lot of people are just evil, and Are’s wasn’t in the movie

The decoloration talked about in the 15 minutes mark can be applied for any Zack Snyder movie :D

Yo screencrush, thx for the cameo

I can’t believe you know Garth Marenghi's Darkplace… Darkplace. You win, legend! 👍🏼

Wow you nailed it

Great analysis. I agree with all the points. I read that Warner is merging with Discovery and after the merger, it is reported that AT&T is wanting to sell the the new group. I am not sure the sell is set in stone but rumors are flying that Disney may pick up the new media group which means that they would own Marvel and DC. I really hope this is true because maybe we would get some decent DC movies. The DC universe would fit in the Marvel multiverse. We will have to wait and see if any of this is actually true but it is interesting.

“I could’ve done it, father. I could’ve done it. For you. For all of us” That’s why Thor worked so well.

Best contained one take shot ever is the Hallway Fight in Oldboy.

Here's a better analogy Wonder Woman (1) = Thor (1) --> Both 100% movies Wonder Woman 1984 = Thor The Dark World (Do you see what I'm saying?)

8:46 I just thought he was thinking of what to do to stop the byfrost

Me loves the Doug he always steals the show of any video he's in. My personal opinion I think Wonder Woman is probably the best DCEU movie all though some may argue Zack Snyder's Justice League may be better. Now let's talk about Wonder Woman 2 that movie could've definitely been better.

Love the video. Just a small thing Ares is originally pronounced "Ah-rehs" not "a-rees."

Amazing 👍🏻

I would love to see WW1944, guest-starring Sgt. Rock, Captain Storm, Johnny Cloud and The Haunted Tank. Battles on land, sea and air, plus a ghost general for the supernatural element.

Thank you, Screen Rant. I alwayd felt they did Wonder Woman dirty with that ending - plus the whole next movie. Now they've gotten rid of Gal Godot, who did a fine job with the material presented. Ugh.

I would highly recommend 'They Shall Not Grow Old' a colorized documentary made by Peter Jackson about The First World War, it's really good. Kudos for mentioning Garth Marenghi's Darkplace! I really enjoy your videos and recommend them to anyone wanting to write stories about the hero's journey and book adaptations. As for the world's biggest monster, I'd look up King Leopold and his actions in The Congo, but your point is still valid, why didn't Wonder Woman intervene.

Didn’t watch this video, but the first Wonder Woman was better than Thor 1 and Dark World no doubt. However, WW84 was worse than either of those movies. Yet still, Ragnarok was better than any other Thor or WW movie because Taika Waititi.

Superb ⚡