Why Trunks COULDN'T go Super Saiyan 2 like Gohan

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@eugenioasanchezperez1406 2 ай бұрын

Wtf u talking about? Super Trunks and Super Vegeta ARE Super Saiyan 2 , followed by Goku. Gohan was actually the last to achieve the form. He just perfected it more than the others fighting cell. Even Trunks says “he increased his streght without losing speed” meaning Gohan was in the same state as the but he just dominated it better.

@bwill1268 2 ай бұрын

Super trunks and Super vegeta are another grade of regular Super Saiyan. You can see for yourself on the wiki

@Shonicss4 2 ай бұрын

No, they were Super Sayian Grade 1 and Grade 2(Trunks and Goku), which is the form Goku says is too slow in the Chamber and isn't useful in drawn-out fights.

@xXdreamon95Xx 2 ай бұрын

Tell me you don’t know dbz without telling me. He never even showed the lighting.

@Techyfication 2 ай бұрын

No lightning no SSJ2. They ascended SSJ1 more like SSJ 1.5 to be fair

@eugenioasanchezperez1406 2 ай бұрын

@@Techyfication it is indeed SSJ. The #2 was added after Gohan, but “ascended” means SSJ2. Gohan simply trained with Goku and was as strong as everyone else.

@drigondii 3 ай бұрын

Gohan has the blood of the Ox King flowing in his veins

@guarinagarcia2424 3 ай бұрын

But that's His Grandfather , even if he has Three different species, we need to know If Ox-kings race has Special abilities or properties.

@tobygarton9494 3 ай бұрын

The Ox kings blood line is absolutely the difference maker in gohan being stronger lol.

@StevenJones851 3 ай бұрын

The ox king is OP

@fxailing1201 3 ай бұрын

@@guarinagarcia2424where do you think the Beast comes from? An Ox is a beast.

@quietguyjosh4643 3 ай бұрын

@@fxailing1201 Ox + Monkey = Horned beast king Kong

@sonandrew1454 3 ай бұрын

Gohan just had better mentors and training. Vegeta didn’t exactly know what he was doing as much as Goku when it came to improving super saiyan

@michaelmayers3622 3 ай бұрын

And yet he becomes stronger than goku

@_____8676 3 ай бұрын

@@michaelmayers3622 wild statement ngl

@guarinagarcia2424 3 ай бұрын

@@michaelmayers3622Meat riding

@upfrontspeaker77777 3 ай бұрын

You would know all about riding ,🤣

@StevenJones851 3 ай бұрын

Gohan had more potential than Trunks as well

@user-te9ym5ky3iBagman2.0 3 ай бұрын

DBZ: weaker that he should be DBS: Stronger Than He Should Be

@guarinagarcia2424 3 ай бұрын

True.

@quietguyjosh4643 3 ай бұрын

Why do you think he's stronger than he should be in dbs ?

@tomsmithok 3 ай бұрын

@@quietguyjosh4643he was strong enough to cut fused zamasu when he got super saiyan rage

@quietguyjosh4643 3 ай бұрын

@@tomsmithok with a spirit bomb sword Amp

@BjornHeiden 3 ай бұрын

@@user-ee8eo4hi6qBecause Gohan is ridiculously powerful while trunks isn’t

@tacticalministries3508 3 ай бұрын

Goku had at least a year of more experience with super Saiyan than Vegeta did, plus he also cared a lot more about training his son than Vegeta did. Better teacher I suppose

@doomknight2542 3 ай бұрын

People tend to forget that Gohan's potential was UNLEASHED earlier on Namek, some of it was unlocked. indicating that his power would of been easier to come out, since it wasn't locked away. So training for it wasn't going to take forever, vs Trunks who never had such luxury

@dominiquerobinson8888 3 ай бұрын

But Trunks went in there already a ssj for far more years than gohan, plus was in the time chamber longer

@detailedgold1521 3 ай бұрын

WAS LOOKING FOR THIS COMMENT

@doomknight2542 3 ай бұрын

@@dominiquerobinson8888 Yet had nobody to train with, and nobody to push him You can train for several years alone and still get outperformed by someone else that has a training Partner

@dominiquerobinson8888 3 ай бұрын

@@doomknight2542 According to Vegeta in Super they did train together. Gohan just got to ssj2 due to the rage/hidden potential that’s exclusive to him

@dominiquerobinson8888 3 ай бұрын

@@doomknight2542 If Trunks trained with Goku he would got to probably around his full ssj level. But ssj 2 at that point was just something for Gohan due to his rage

@jplaya2023 3 ай бұрын

Short Answer - Plot Long Answer - vegets neglected him

@aster4jaden 3 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same.

@Nestle245 3 ай бұрын

Yeah I don't think Toriyama makes it this critical lol. It just wouldn't have been as great if Trunks did it first lol, it was perfect for Gohan and the way it happened.

@natakuu13 3 ай бұрын

Bro i always wished that trunks went in the time chamber with piccolo. Like vegeta could have been typical vegeta and wanted to go in alone. The potential trunks could have had that was missed. Man......

@NoName-cz3wn 3 ай бұрын

@Nestle245 I think it's pretty clear, at least in the anime, that they were drawing a parallel between Trunks and Gohan. How all Trunks wanted was to know his dad, but got nothing out of a whole year alone with him. Meanwhile, Goku spent most of his time in the chamber nurturing Gohan's power. Which is again drawn a parallel to Future Gohan, who still had that Gohan-only special potential, but didn't get that crucial support at the most crucial time. Vegeta doesn't show any care for Trunks until he's dead. Goku gives up his own life to protect Gohan, and even supports him from the afterlife. Future Trunks was always a tragic character, a reflection of Gohan, just as kid Trunks is a reflection of Goten. I also don't think Toriyama started "winging it" until after the Cell Saga. There is too much payoff to too many throughlines that it would take forever to explain them all. Callbacks like Goku realizing he was the one who killed his grandpa are not the and kind of writing as Super going "remember that character?" It's clear imo that he intended for Piccolo to be Gokus true rival (just compare their backgrounds) and that's why Piccolo specifically bonds with Gohan specifically... he may not have had "Cell" figured out when he introduced us to Gohan, but I do think he had the ending of the series with that passing of the torch in mind... but everyone loves Goku and Vegeta, so we got the Buu Saga, a far inferior ending imo, and then Super. I think the reason it felt like he winged it so much is bc he put so much care into everything from the King Piccolo to Cell arcs and how those 4 arcs tied the whole series up that, once the decision was made to keep going, he had kinda already paid off everything he was supposed to, except for Goku and Vegeta settling a score that only existed in Vegeta's mind. That's why Piccolo's final power upgrade for 25 YEARS was when he reunited with Kami, which again ties him back to Goku AND Gohan much stronger than any connection Vegeta had to them. This is why I'm extremely happy that his final major contribution to his iconic series was bringing Piccolo and Gohan back up to a relevant level, no matter how he had to get there. It's like Super Hero is a love letter to that original vision with the Cell Saga Ending, and I am so happy about that, now more than ever

@blackpanther6389 3 ай бұрын

The anime clearly shows the father son dynamic between the two within the hyperbolic time chamber by only giving bits, but enough that you can clearly see why two advanced wayyyy further than the other two - even as a kid it was clear why Trunks didn't go full 2, just like Vegeta didn't. Would've been a totally different plot and story if Vegeta and Trunks worked together like Goku and Gohan did. But like you said, it favored the plot to write Vegeta and Trunks being stunted in this way. You summed it up quite perfectly, lol.

@Kakarot6204s 3 ай бұрын

Bro really edited the word cope on the Time Machine

@SaiyanScholar 3 ай бұрын

😂👍🏻

@ThunderNecros 3 ай бұрын

Coping is easy sensei@@SaiyanScholar

@auslandermercury972 2 ай бұрын

I wondered about that 😄

@Sjono 3 ай бұрын

So what you’re saying is…all timelines of Universe 7 would’ve been screwed if Yamcha ended up with Bulma

@katrita1146 3 ай бұрын

Well i think as long as Bulma survived long enough to create a time machine anyone could have gone back in time to give Goku the medicine

@Sjono 3 ай бұрын

@@katrita1146 Future Trunks was probably the only reason Future Bulma was still alive

@eskewroberts7663 3 ай бұрын

Dang, fate itself declared that Yamaha gets no b****es

@lonerevenant 3 ай бұрын

@@Sjono isn't future gohan the one keeping them both alive?

@Sjono 3 ай бұрын

@@lonerevenant Who you think keeps Bulma alive after Gohan dies?

@Kusanagikaiser999 3 ай бұрын

In my opinion what makes Young Gohan surpass Future Trunks so quickly was his mentors......Gohan had great teachers that always help him to surpass his limits plus his natural potential been a human / Saiyan hybrid, all the years training with Piccolo and Goku helps a lot, but is the time in the Time Chamber that was key.....while Gohan had Goku support and both train to unlock their potentials, Vegeta pretty much enter the room with Trunks for obligation, he never try or attempted to train with his son, pretty much they trained separated, maybe occasionally spar but out of necessity to test their progress, this lead to Trunk naively assume he found a technique to surpass his dad, if Vegeta and Trunks trained together, Vegeta would have told Trunks his error just like Goku did to Gohan.....also they would have collaborated with each other trying to help the other to grow, but no, Vegeta close himself to Trunks because of how prideful he is, and Trunks been out of respect, naivety or fear, never show Vegeta what he assume was he unlocking his potential, While Goku and Gohan trust each other, Vegeta and Trunks did not.

@igorwest 3 ай бұрын

Great explanation!

@jeremyabbott4537 3 ай бұрын

ngl I would love a what if story of Trunks showing off Super Trunks to Vegeta in the Time Chamber. How would that effect their training/relationship. And would Trunks have come out of the chamber stronger.

@richardh9828 3 ай бұрын

So ... Future Trunka lived like the original saiyans, and Gohan lived like a human?

@borby4584 3 ай бұрын

Short answer: a lack of effective mentoring. Future Gohan, though he meant well, just didn't have the tools necessary to truly train someone, especially since his only *real* training was with Piccolo. Then there was training on his own, which can only do so much Vegeta, meanwhile? He likely just flat out neglected Trunks in the time chamber, focusing himself. Why ELSE would he not know that Vegeta had unlocked Grade 3, or that its flaws caused him to ignore it in favor of Grade 2? And then once it was back to the future, I doubt either of the Kais could give him too much training before they died at Dabura's hands.

@Zeromaru42 3 ай бұрын

I also think that Grade 2 and 3 along with Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are two sides of the same coin and thus directly contradict each other. Grade 2 is compressing energy into your muscles for more raw strength at the cost of speed. While Super Saiyan 2 is letting all that energy out and letting it flow using the concentrated anger used to obtain it. That's why Super Saiyan 2 is stronger, it's not just bulking up it's both controlling and letting your Ki explode at the same time. Grade 3 funnily enough has the same problem as Super Saiyan 3 but reversed. Super Saiyan 3 gives your Ki a massive boost by letting it explode out but burns your physical stamina in exchange. Grade 3 is compressing your Ki like a water balloon, creating huge muscles and giving you ridiculous amounts of physical strength. The only problem being that there's only so much you can roid up with your Ki before it gets wildly inefficient. Ironically enough, making you so slow that it doesn't matter if you're looking like Mister Olympia if you can't hit shit. The funniest thing though is that Super Saiyan 3 and Grade 3 ultimately fell out of use for the same reason. Like yeah you could theoretically perfect both of them, but in the end Super Saiyan is just gonna be better because its ceiling is at worst only gonna be slightly worse than Super Saiyan 3 and drastically more efficient.

@borby4584 3 ай бұрын

@@Zeromaru42 it’s a shame too because I really wish they at least had it used like Master Roshi’s Bulked Up mode

@mka6245 3 ай бұрын

If Trunks had gotten a few more months of training with Future Gohan it would have made a huge difference. He was SO CLOSE to being able to turn Super Saiyan before Gohan died., but he never got to train in actual super saiyan form with anyone.

@spiritteddy9393 3 ай бұрын

Trunks and spiderman have occupied similar narrative spaces for the last 20 years.

@lightyoshiman 3 ай бұрын

honestly just chucked it up to the training they did gohan got better training that trunks did its why when trunks and vegeta came out of the chamber they couldn't match up to perfect cell at all but when goku and gohan came out because of the way they trained not only were they stronger but gohan got close to ssj2 faster than trunks did. Still I liked how Kakarot explained how trunks got ssj2 that was pretty clever

@dylancox2157 3 ай бұрын

How was that?

@neosonic199 3 ай бұрын

@@dylancox2157: He attained ssj2 because 1. the stress of Future Babidi and Dabura being rather close to undoing everything he’s fought to protect and desperation to maintain that peace. 2. The shock and anger at the deaths of Supreme Kai and Kibito.

@sfbeninati320 3 ай бұрын

I saw Gohan turn SSJ2 in Okinawa back in ‘93, changed my life. Still have it from a recording on VHS. Original Japanese commercials and all. RIP Toriyama

@streptococo4735 3 ай бұрын

These are my 3 reasons as for why he never achieved the higher power younger: His only master was Gohan, who was ALSO having a massive mental block himself, tormented whit the Androids and getting desperate, Gohan was too immature when he lost Goku and Piccolo, he needed a LOT more training. 2. Trunks only learned by watching other people, never got REALLY trained, imagine if Goku took Trunks and Gohan to the Time Chamber, we DEFINITELY could have gotten a SSJ2 combo (i even have a theory that Goku himself could have achieved SSJ2 but decided not to because when he saw Gohan he realized he didn't really need to) 3. Vegeta did harm Trunks progress a massive fuck ton, Vegeta's training was ALL about himself, while Goku was ALL about Gohan, and Vegeta only knows how to brute force things, so when he finally got the power he wanted he thought it was the maximum power because of his pride, meanwhile Goku knew there was WAY more than that. Hell SSJ3 might as well be a glitch because realistically speaking no LIVING saiyan (unless they are a fusion because Fusions have near unlimited Ki) can ACHIEVE such power, all because Goku uses logic.

@mka6245 3 ай бұрын

I feel like Goku is so competitive and pushing his limits that he would not want to ever see a level and not want to achieve it. Maybe he knew he could reach that level at some point but not before the Cell Games.

@streptococo4735 3 ай бұрын

@@mka6245 I think Goku was reflecting on Gohan, he was probably thinking that Gohan could reach that level of power faster than him, so he decided to fully focus on the potential Gohan showed.

@mr.lovetaps792 3 ай бұрын

I love this answer.. if people go back and watch the cell game saga they'll realize Vegeta was training to increase JUST the strength factor of the Ssj form but Goku was thinking about the endurance factor of Ssj basically staying in ssj form for prolonged periods of time and this was probably the key to going further up the ladder in terms of the ssj form

@In_Gods_Hands 3 ай бұрын

Remember tho Gohan had his potential unlocked by Guru and Grand Kai. That's probably what gave him the edge over Trunks. I'm sure Trunks could do the same if he had his potentials unlocked maybe even find a form that rivals Gohans the ways Vegitas ultra ego rivals Gokus ultra instinct

@kamenrangerzeo8251 3 ай бұрын

Trunks: "Why couldn't I get Super Saiyan 2?" Toriyama: "Due to my plot power and writing. Basically I forbidden you from getting this power until much later also you're not that popular unlike Gohan."

@francisgomes9976 3 ай бұрын

He was way more popular than Gohan when he was introduced

@Th4tNiggaSpiderman 3 ай бұрын

He's way popular gohsns shine was only cell games

@daniellysohirka4258 3 ай бұрын

Every one wanted to know who the guy with the purple hair was at the start music was with the sword. But it kept resetting for like 2 years because of translations I found out later after high school after the Frieza Saga back to the Saiyan Saga all over again.. So yeah, he yeah when the android Saga finally came out it was quite popular. But a lot of people got sick of the resetting by then.

@drksideofthewal 3 ай бұрын

@@francisgomes9976 But stopped being as popular as Gohan when Super Saiyan 2 was introduced.

@bladimircarrion780 3 ай бұрын

Your break downs be fire 🔥

@SaiyanScholar 3 ай бұрын

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@luckimonster2298 3 ай бұрын

This is a case of train smarter not harder 🙂. Goku had always been a smarter trainer tho Vegeta does have more potential.

@larry-xs6uh 3 ай бұрын

Seemed pretty reasonable to me why trunks couldnt do it at the because he and Vegeta both couldn't reach the mastered super Saiyan state that Gohan and Goku achieved where they could basically live their daily lives while In super Saiyan plus at the time Gohan had the most potential as stated by Goku so at the time no one else could have achieved ss2 in such a short time and gohan at that point even though he didnt reach super Saiyan 2 yet was stronger than the rest meanwhile Goku was the only one on par with Gohan in that regard

@StevenJones851 3 ай бұрын

@@luckimonster2298i feel like Vegeta needed more mentors

@luckimonster2298 3 ай бұрын

@@StevenJones851 yah Nappa wasn't enough 🤭😊

@StevenJones851 3 ай бұрын

@@luckimonster2298 he definitely wasn't

@Joshua.Carrasco 3 ай бұрын

Thank you for the video!

@Sjono 3 ай бұрын

I’m still mad Future Trunks barely had any interaction with Goten in DBS

@KALICOE 3 ай бұрын

Goku died before goten was created that's why it was always trunks and Gohan

@Sjono 3 ай бұрын

@@KALICOE Future Trunks barely acknowledging Goten’s existence is a huge missed opportunity

@KALICOE 3 ай бұрын

@@Sjono how this his 1st time ever meeting him he just noticed he looked like goku that was the moment

@Sjono 3 ай бұрын

@@KALICOE Like I said, barely any meaningful interaction

@Mr.Wilson_exist 3 ай бұрын

Same

@MikeBLAZE_420 2 ай бұрын

I believe the real difference was their mothers. Trunks his mother was Bulma. She was a scientist not a fighter. Gohan's mother was chichi. Chichi was a martial artist and had the genes of the powerful Ox King. The Ox King had no blast techniques. However it was said his strength could split mountains. Chi-Chi herself can still crush boulders.

@Tactical.chocolate 3 ай бұрын

Does it help tgat gohan had his power unlocked by guru on namek?

@SaiyanScholar 3 ай бұрын

It helps but Gohan was still weaker than Base Trunks before the time chamber.

@Anthony-pi6pf 3 ай бұрын

@@SaiyanScholar still weaker at what point?? Are you talking about kid gohan?? Or adult gohan?

@Historicutuber 3 ай бұрын

Wow you really went in depth with it!!!

@Rakushio 3 ай бұрын

If we accept that SSJ Rage is a Pseudo God Form, then it absolutely argues in favour of Trunks' potential. Because that means within the short span of time the Arc takes place, Trunks' body had already begun to adapt to and replicate the power of God Ki through his extremely limited exposure to God Ki users in Vegeta, Goku, and Black. Thats pretty impressive if you ask me. If you choose to believe it, it makes even more sense given that Saiyans grow the fastest during arduous battle; look at how Goku and Vegeta's powers grew within the Tournament of power. So its not as much of an asspull either if viewed from that perspective.

@KALICOE 3 ай бұрын

It definitely was god ki mix with the spirit bomb

@theonetruefusion8533 3 ай бұрын

@@KALICOE Spirit bomb??

@KALICOE 3 ай бұрын

@theonetruefusion8533 yep he took everyone power and goku was like vegeta this is like the spirit bomb let's help

@theonetruefusion8533 3 ай бұрын

@@KALICOE the spirit Bomb hasn't been used since the end of Dragon Ball? not even once during super

@imhimdk1785 3 ай бұрын

@@theonetruefusion8533top?? He used it against jiren and got it sent back to him thats how he unlocked ui in the first place

@Galacticphroggie 3 ай бұрын

I wonder if we'll see future trunks canonicaly in the future

@patrickhenderson216 3 ай бұрын

We technically can’t since they changed that version of the would be future for the present trunks

@FrankCosbyNo-Relation 3 ай бұрын

Real reason: it's whatever the writers want

@junraywardleuterio2014 3 ай бұрын

Possible reason (for me): 1. Gohan has a lot of battle experience with different beings in base form, thus giving him high zenkai boost (Trunks only has his experience with the Androids). 2. Gohan has an incredible amount of S-cells since birth (manifesting in the high battle power during the fight with Raditz) 3. Gohan has mentors who supervise his trainings (Trunks only has Mirai Gohan). 4. Gohan has his potential unlocked in Planet Namek (Trunks did not experienced it). 4. Goku is encouraging Gohan to surpass him (In Trunks case, if he surpass Vegeta, it will hurt his ego).

@BabyIA3 3 ай бұрын

You gained a subscriber with that intro. At first i was thinking “why is he going to talk about this while playing the game” then seen and was like wooord

@PolkCountyNoleSportsandENTTV 3 ай бұрын

RIP to Akira Toryiama 🕊️🙏🏽

@mangocatgamer6992 3 ай бұрын

really good video

@mangocatgamer6992 3 ай бұрын

awesome video

@mangocatgamer6992 3 ай бұрын

This video is really good

@TheDeadlyTikka 3 ай бұрын

It was always kind of hinted at in Dragon Ball that Gohan had massive potential that needed dragging out of him. Early on this was always achieved through rage

@TheDeadlyTikka 3 ай бұрын

Gohan also had the benefit of being trained by multiple people for long periods of time. Trunks basically only had future Gohan. Vegeta never really trained him

@itz_akuma 3 ай бұрын

@@TheDeadlyTikkaman gohan was born for it he defeated garlic jr at like 5 when nobody else could 😂😭😭

@carlosanderson4479 3 ай бұрын

I like the memory card intro. Nice touch.

@TaeSunWoo 3 ай бұрын

Toriyama and Toei: “I forgor” Toyotaro: “I forgor the built up to his new form”

@lascaossos 3 ай бұрын

cause trunks didn't snap out like gohan. gohan just makes every transformation look easy with a snap

@myeternalsin 3 ай бұрын

What if its also like training in real life, Trunks is always on attack mode in the future there was no time to rest and reset. Just like working out IRL, you need rest days and cheat days. Since Gohan in present day was able to train correctly by spending time with his family, having down time and training hard when he needed to he was able to do what future trunks didn't have the luxury to to in his time line. idk just thinking out loud, I love these videos you're making man, keep it up!

@exclusive_98 3 ай бұрын

this intro go hard 👏🏾👏🏾

@metalsteel86 3 ай бұрын

Gohan just becoming a teen. So, maybe puberty had a part to play. Strong emotions he hasn't learned to control. So letting go, extreme reaction as a teen. New level of rage plus tapping into potential. Ss2

@Andrea-dw1ps 3 ай бұрын

the mentor thing is pretty bullshit lets be real here, at best you can find the excuse in the general mood that they had so in the future they would be weaker and with less potential because always distressed. Gohan in super does 1 pushup and reaches beerus in power, he is bullshit and his future counterpard should have been too. future gohan trained years and years and was barely a super sayian while present gohan does nothing and he is as strong as mui goku. the mentor excuse is pretty bad. every excuse is pretty bad lets be real here, not to mention that future goku never used kaio to talk to gohan and maybe tell him about the time chamber or talk to the namekians to get revived with porunga. the whole android arc is FULL of plotholes . You say that consistency is important in training and present gohan does half a fight and suddenly grows as strong as goku and vegeta the ones training every day with gods and angels .

@EndoScorpion 3 ай бұрын

Your first mistake is trying to use Super to make sense of anything, when Super is absolutely illogical. Secondly, mentoring is always shown to have a huge effect on characters. They get their biggest power boosts when training with a mentor. Even mentors that are physically weaker than them. Future Gohan, when he was 5 years old, only had 6 months of mentoring from a 9 year old Piccolo. And a potential unlock from a 500+ year old Namekian Guru. Future Trunks was mentored by this very inexperienced Gohan. And it shows. If you want to consider Super, then consider that this version of Gohan had the same mentoring and potential unlock as above, but also trained 3 years with Piccolo (fused with Nail, giving this Piccolo a LOT more experience and knowledge), and a SSJ Goku (who has had many mentors). Another full year training with Goku, learning specifically how to MASTER the Super Saiyan form. Had his potential unlocked a second time by an Supreme Kai who had fused with a Witch. And then went on to have further mentoring from Piccolo (fused with Nail and Kami, which would give this Piccolo vastly more experience and knowledge), and had participated in many battles against various foes with all sorts of strange abilities. Gohan in Super is VASTLY more experienced than Future Trunks or Future Gohan. With magical power boosts/potential unlocks on top of that.

@darkprime7000 3 ай бұрын

The answer is *Plot*

@mangocatgamer6992 3 ай бұрын

nice video

@skiesofrust 3 ай бұрын

I think one of the biggest reasons why the future Gohan and Trunks couldn’t access Super Saiyan Two is because they simply didn’t know how. Goku spent a full year trying to discover how to obtain it. Because it’s more than just getting angry and having a high Ki output. Super Saiyan Two is a mastery of Super Saiyan. Meaning your body also had to maintain that level of power. Like the creator of this video said. You need the conditioning to have it otherwise you got a smaller version of a Broly problem. Even Goku said he couldn’t have rational thoughts in Super Saiyan when he fought Frieza. That’s why he had Gohan leave and remember Goku had the power of ESP too, and read minds. His mental fortitude is nothing to sneeze at. Either way, Future Gohan and Trubks never considered the possibility of Super Saiyan Two. And that’s why Trunks thought he could use pumped up muscles. Experience matters. Like the OP said.

@wat1526 3 ай бұрын

My theory is that you have to master ssj1 before being able to go ssj2 apart from the potential aspect obviously. Thats why Vegeta didnt go ssj2 against cell when cell killed trunks. He just went basic ssj1 (grade 1) with rage buff. Vegeta and Trunks learned mssj (mastered aka grade 4 ssj) after the cell games and then in a specific situation they achieved ssj2

@andyw_uk74 2 ай бұрын

You're correct about the issue being the writing. In my opinion, the reason was that, at the time of writing the Cell saga, there were no more plans for more DBZ on the cards. Therefore, what later became known as "Super Saiyan 2" was meant to be a Gohan-specific form: his rage channelled through his Super Saiyan power. It was only after the decisions was made to create more DBZ with the Buu Saga that it got retconned into a generic form, and given to Goku and Vegeta as well.

@jotarojoestar898 3 ай бұрын

It's because of Chi Chi!! Ok, jokes aside, also, Gohan had his potential lifted by The Highest Elder during the Namek Arc. This could be also a factor as to why he is one step further than Future Trunks, plus of course with more fighting experience during the Frieza Arc. And perhaps the conditions were met during his training in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. I mean Goku was training in there with him and saw something, if not, why would he believe in Gohan and let him fight Perfect Cell.

@evanhayes5891 3 ай бұрын

Love, Harry.

@mangocatgamer6992 3 ай бұрын

cool video

@Zell9000 3 ай бұрын

as someone who though (i was strong) my mentality changed one year ago after i started learning Boxing and counite to learn and Train to this day when you have a mentor and Sparing partners that change it Tests a persons Limits and makes a person Question him or herself how to improve in Trunks case he never had a proper mentor Sure gohan was Ok but keep in mind goku didn't train gohan properly before he died which is only battle experience although hybrids sayins have more potential what the have in potential they Lacked in Not having a proper master to start with. Gohan started young and had piccolo first to Train in the Sayin Saga then 3 years with goku and piccolo and then 1 in the Time chamber with Goku to master and perfect Super Sayin. Trunks had a gohan that for all intoned only train with piccolo before the Sayin Saga then goku got sick and died Then The androids Attacked which means he mostly trained alone since piccolo died after Vegete not giving gohan Time to reach is potential to be a better mentor and then he died and Surviving is different than Training Trunks mental state has always been get stronger so i can bring peace and harmony. not to be stronger or want to be stronger and that what Dragonball super addresses in the end of the goku black arc when Vegeta had that talk with trunks.

@josef206 3 ай бұрын

the fact that the next legendary sayan ll be hybred is awesome

@AnchorOfTime 3 ай бұрын

I'd like to believe Gohan having his potential unlocked by Elder Guru gave him a large step ahead of Future Trunks

@raulmoreno5726 3 ай бұрын

Future trunks has always been one of my favorite characters, I think he's so underrated, in terms of power and screen time, I would love to see just a separate series on future trunks and his time from after the cells games to the time we meet him again in the black arc and even after that, I would love to see episodes that focus on him and his time line every now and then.

@danielhenry4365 3 ай бұрын

Present Gohan as had proper training since he was a kid.... ... And remember Gohan got some of his potential unlocked by Elder Guru alongside Krilling back on Namek! I bet that unlock is what allowed Gohan to temporarily rage and summon enough power to give 2nd Form Frieza some trouble lol. Plus, I don't think F. Trunks really completed his Z-Sword training, or at least compared to the degree of Gohan who unlocked his Ultimate/Mystic form. I suppose it did factor into F. Trunks getting SS2 shortly after his Z-Sword training then raging though.

@newhybrid101 3 ай бұрын

He achieved Perfected SSJ2 in the Super manga though and Vegeta achieved in the new DLC for Z Kakarot against SSJ3 Goku. And i dont know about Trunks potential compared to Gohan Sure his father is Vegeta(who we know for a FACT has far better genes than Goku but didnt start training till he was like 30 years old and doesnt train as smart) but his mother is Bulma,whereas Gohans mother is Chi Chi. So Trunks has the edge in paternal genetics but Gohan has a massive edge in maternal genetics. And his rage comes from his mother from the looks of it Gokus genes give him a base and Chi Chis emotions are like an amp on it of it Chi Chi is a fighter as was her father,its in their blood, Bulma is a spoiled rich girl Thats what low class and elite mean,a genetic foundation. But FAR more training,knowledge on how to train more effectively etc helped Goku be this strong.

@prisoniffyuhsoapisgettinslippy 3 ай бұрын

WHERE THE MUSIC FROM THE START FROM AGAIN? THE NOSTALIA IS HITTING

@TaviusXP 3 ай бұрын

That intro was fire. Old vibes, fr. Shoutout BT3.

@fxailing1201 3 ай бұрын

Trunks is weak in Z because he uses KI to keep his hair moisturised

@itz_akuma 3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@DarthKanon 3 ай бұрын

Thats dumb. He is weak because he does not have enough rage in him like gohan and goku. Rage makes SS1- SS2-SS3 more stronger.

@fxailing1201 3 ай бұрын

@@DarthKanon cap

@DarthKanon 3 ай бұрын

@@fxailing1201 super saiyan is fueled by rage. Not God ki. God ki is fueled by genetics or knowledge of a gods teachings. Trunks is weak because he has not archived any other form besides super saiyan and he is definitely not getting God ki. Trunks pushed beyond his limit and reached SS2 out of rage.

@fxailing1201 3 ай бұрын

@@DarthKanon nope!

@awesomereviews1561 Ай бұрын

The real reason is that Toriyama didn’t come up with SSJ2 until Cell’s tournament.

@auslandermercury972 2 ай бұрын

Love the idea behind Goku’s training with Gohan in the Time Chamber. Raise the floor to raise the ceiling.

@jeleopard 2 ай бұрын

There's also plot armor. I remember reading at one point that Akira Toriyama wanted DBZ to shift and feature Gohan as the main character - there's even several hints of it throughout the Saiyan and Namek saga saying that Gohan is just WAY stronger than anyone knows and that he'd get more potential as he aged.

@rickblaine9670 3 ай бұрын

Also there’s the fact that Super Saiyan 2 wasn’t even a thing when it first happened; it was just the true appearance of Gohan’s Super Saiyan form, with no more inhibitions on. Meaning it was unique to him.

@Sjono 3 ай бұрын

0:38 Who is this Mysterious Youth guy onscreen and why aren’t you making a video about him?

@ripcityblazers7574 2 ай бұрын

I think leaving out the two times Gohan had his potential unleashed, more specifically his first time on namek. Trunk has enormous potential that rivals Gohan. But to your point, the early onset of consistent training and topped off with potential unlocked is a major x factor

@dwightnorton3398 3 ай бұрын

An electric ⚡️ video

@TheForeverBean 3 ай бұрын

Gohan was already constantly in super saiyan leading up to Cell, and then he went super saiyan again while already in super saiyan as his base. Thats basically how i understand super saiyan 2, at least in Gohan's case.

@artistanthony1007 3 ай бұрын

That's exactly what I mentioned, the Super Saiyan form needs to be the user's base form to then obtain the more powerful form which acts as Super Saiyan's Super Saiyan form in the simplest explanation.

@artistanthony1007 3 ай бұрын

3 makes sense to be a power only obtained when brought back to life with power from whatever it was and then 4 had needed the natural & original Saiyan biology to be obtained but ofc 3 and 4 need moments of power, emotion & ki build up.

@OrevShalom 3 ай бұрын

Hey family, Glad to see you're still here making great videos as usual. Now we have to keep in mind future Gohan didn't even have Super Saiyan 2. Trunks had immaturity with the Super Saiyan form already. He just wasn't mentally ready to go Super Saiyan 2. Like I said that version of Gohan didn't even have it. No matter how much trunks raised, I don't think he would have unlocked a power he wasn't even working towards.

@wanzeviera 3 ай бұрын

When I was a kid, I called this transformation Super Saiyan 1 ½, not fully Saiyan 2.

@9unslin9er 16 күн бұрын

Trunks in Bojack Unbound was absolutely ripped. He was getting close.

@greyborg3846 3 ай бұрын

The lifestyle and training make the most sense. Having strong and knowledgable mentors from a young age clearly played a huge role in drawing out Gohan's potential. The same is actually true of main timeline Trunks, he was the second youngest saiyan to ever achieve Super Saiyan. But despite the fact that Gohan has slacked off on his training after his battle with Cell, Trunks slacked off at an even earlier age. Future Gohan and Future Trunks both never achieved the kind of rapid growth that present Gohan did because they either trained by themselves, or briefly with each other at a significant power mismatch. I really hope that present Trunks and Goten decide to start training again after seeing firsthand what Gohan and Goku (and also Vegeta and Broly) are capable of now. iirc they have't been present for any major battles since Ressurection F so they've missed out on a lot. The older saiyans are all multiversally powerful at this point and I think their future battles are all going to take them all around the universe, if not the other universes. So in their absence it would be cool to see Trunks and Goten step up to be at least the primary defenders of the Earth if not Universe 7.

@shaunharris6932 2 ай бұрын

Also remember that Chichi is also a martial artist. So he has two fighters as parents

@prestonOpiepon Ай бұрын

I think the reason why trunks couldn’t go ssj2 is because no one in that timeline knew there was something “even further beyond” but in present timeline goku knew that something lie in wait for Gohan, something “further beyond” and pushing towards that goal is how it was obtainable.

@badgerforrest-blincoe2879 3 ай бұрын

I think the basic answer is that Trunks never mastered Super Saiyan Grade 4, thus never mastered Super Saiyan 2 early. Gohan was training in the Time Chamber with Goku who always relied more on strategy than just sheer power unlike Vegeta, so Gohan always had the advantage in terms of mentors. This is made even clearer with the fact that Kid Trunks basically spent all his time training with Vegeta, and figured out Super Saiyan on his own, probably based on emulating his dad. But for kid Trunks it was still basically just a raw power boost rather than something devised through strategy like with Gohan.I don't think that potential has anything to do with Super Saiyan 2. I think that every Saiyan has the potential for Super Saiyan 2, but that it needs the right kinds of training to unlock, like mastering Super Saiyan Grade 4 for Super Saiyan 2, and getting deep in touch with your inner Saiyan ancestor roots to unlock Super Saiyan 3, or doing an ancient ritual or training with the gods to unlock Super Saiyan God and beyond.

@wwCs49 3 ай бұрын

I HATE the way Trunks dies in the cell games. Should have actual fight Cell instead of the random sneak attack blast. Have him try and protect Gohan who’s frozen in shock and then Trunks puts up a fight for a few minutes (seconds?). Can have Vegeta too frozen to help to add to his own guilt

@deoxysandmew2162 2 ай бұрын

Does anyone know what is soundtrack called in the intro?!

@lincolnhodge2371 3 ай бұрын

Gohan getting his broken by raccoom was the ultimeant zenkai boost

@itz_akuma 3 ай бұрын

😂😭😭😭😭😭😭

@tapewormrage 3 ай бұрын

Gohan had his potential unlocked on Namek. Trunks did not.

@SaiyanScholar 3 ай бұрын

But Trunks was still stronger than Gohan in the Trunks and Android Saga. Yet he got leapfrogged massively.

@xerodelacroix5552 3 ай бұрын

Don't forget that in the alternate canon, Trunks hit SS1,2,3 and God with no problem. And SS Rage is confirmed more powerful than SS3. I have a feeling we'll see SSGod Trunks in Super eventually.

@JoeyMulvaney 3 ай бұрын

Its because goku is a genius when it comes to training. He went a route with gohan that ultimately led to ss2. When he chose to master the ss form and make it as effortless as being in base form, it left room for growth. Vegeta wasnt equipped to be a teacher like goku was. Had EVERYONE went back in for a second year in the chamber but switched partners, with goku taking trunks and vegeta taking gohan, There would've been improvements. i think trunks would've come out with the ss2 ability, and it wouldve been gohan that taught vegeta something when gohan, in his rage at how shitty vegeta is to everyone, on top of the extreme conditions in the chamber (which most people ive spoken to tend to forget goes from arctic cold to blazing hot, among other things) wouldve turned ss2 or at least showed a snippet of it, letting vegeta know that there is a whole new form to try to reach. I think in this series of events there wouldnt have been time for the trusty old vegeta moment "the thing is, i know youre playing me....." So when they were all said and done after a little over half a week, 4 drastically stronger super saiyans, all with mastered ss forms, wouldve EACH been able to qt least stand their ground or even possibly defeat perfect cell themselves. Goku would've lived, trunks couldve handled majin buu, and while its hard to say if ss3 wouldve been discovered earlier or at all... The group as a cohesive unit wouldve been better prepared for bojack, hiredigarn, janemba, etc. and since goku hadn't died, vegeta wouldve kept hos fighting edge, gohan never wouldve slacked off and become the weakest form of himself yet, and maybe even goku black wouldve had a run for his money. Who knows how other rhings wouldve played out .. Like would gohan still go to high school? If not, he never wpuldve met videl, pan would not exist, and who knows how goku wouldve gotten the needed energy for super saiyan god. Idk. A neat train of thought though.

@willstiehl6079 3 ай бұрын

I love the Raging Blast 2 intro. Best dragonball game in my opinion

@ZaddyGohan 3 ай бұрын

There’s a few points I have in mind that I feel should be brought up: 1. While being incredibly capable and strong fighters, Gohan and Trunks were not battle/ki geniuses quite like how their fathers were. It’s safe to assume that they never thought to try and achieve the ascended grades of super saiyan as Goku and Vegeta did, judging by the fact that trunks didn’t showcase grade 2 or higher until after the hyperbolic time chamber training. As you brought up in the video, it’s shown in DBZ that training with partners ALWAYS yields more power boost. Hence Trunks’ and Gohan’s massive jumps in the Cell Saga. Future Gohan lost Goku 2 years after Mexha Frieza due to the heart virus, and a year later, lost everyone else. He had nobody to train with at all, which undoubtedly hindered his progress. Gohan has also been shown to be the Prodigy of all Prodigies in the series. That’s why, as Goku states before Gohan’s fight with Cell, that gohan was always able to keep up with everyone and even surpass everyone while still being a kid

@ladarionaustin2179 3 ай бұрын

RIP AKira Toriyama 🙏🏾

@WillPower311 3 ай бұрын

What about Kami's unlock?

@blindmanzero3766 3 ай бұрын

I believe it has something to do with the environment they come from meaning a saiyan who lives peacefully is able to be more likely to evolve when presented with the right rage trigger for gohan his trigger is his loved ones and the innocent for trunks his would have to be a mix of being the final hope and rage towards monsters that prey on the weak

@metacactus1410 3 ай бұрын

short answer: gohan was going to become mc thus got more plot armor

@antwanwilliams3347 3 ай бұрын

Its due to Gohan training with different mentors on top of that having his potential unlocked by guru

@DjStiv3 3 ай бұрын

Gohan got a ton of support, extremely kind and gentle, and he saw 10x more death. Emotions carried him to ssj2. Future gohan saw less. And when he did, everyone just died but after that he had no push or friends or a good sparring partner. Clearly would never get anywhere. Present gohan had so much going for him. And yes, look at after trunks kills freeza. How much gohan went thru. His trigger was freaking android 16 i believe and being crushed. Once again, more death right in front of him. Meanwhile trunks only sparred with gohan.. got to ssj1 by 17 was it? (Where as his present self got it at like 10) so after he became ssj1 he stayed there. He gained power with present day fighters. So of course he grew. Clearly his travel to past meant alot and got him bumped up power wise. Lastly, he achieved ascended saiyan.. he knew being bulky isnt everything... he found a way to compact and condense his power and optimize it. To the point he obviously doesnt even need ssj3 or ssjgod. If he too gets a beast form he may pass gohan beast. But both are obviously finding their own way. Which is fair enough considering they are halflings and not full blood. Only makes sense they get differentiated a bit from their dads

@kyotaiken 3 ай бұрын

BOTH, of Gohans parents, IE, the sources of his genetics, were both fighters from the same early age as when Gohan started his martial arts training.

@ryankirkpatrick8062 3 ай бұрын

I’ve always wondered if it’s because Gohan appears to be the only hybrid born with a tail, meaning due to genetics and crossover, he has more Saiyan genes than human

@imhimdk1785 3 ай бұрын

Short answer: writing

@DAWAXFAX 3 ай бұрын

RIP TORIYAMA

@LucLightWolf121 3 ай бұрын

Thanks! The way I see it, Future Trunks was intentionally stunted in his full potential by Akira Toriyama because Future Trunks wasn't the main protagonist, or directly related to the main protagonist. And I say this being a big fan of Future Trunks. He is my favorite DBZ character. That being said, I think that Toriyama only wanted Future Trunks to get strong enough to defeat Androids 17 and 18, and Imperfect Cell, in the dystopian future he came from. Personally, I wanted Future Trunks to evolve into the modern day Legendary Super Saiyan. Especially since his Super Saiyan Grade 3 form inspired Broly's look in the first DBZ BROLY movie. But we got what we got.

@SaiyanScholar 3 ай бұрын

I agree with what you're saying! Same he's definitely one of my favourites (the Z Version). My fave overall is Vegeta. Then I love Trunks, Tien and Piccolo in Z! Thank you so much for the Super Thanks Boss! The Spirit Bomb power helps out each time! 💙💪🏻

@LucLightWolf121 3 ай бұрын

@@SaiyanScholar You're welcome, buddy! Keep making great content, man. 👍🏿💯

@JasonAguirre 3 ай бұрын

Simple answer: Gohan had his potential unlocked. That doesn't just mean an instant power-up like people seem to think; it means that he had a ceiling removed which would otherwise have to be brute forced.

@marshtropics486 3 ай бұрын

It’s simple Gothan had the rage of chi chi flowing through his veins

@jasonblack4208 3 ай бұрын

the "Vegeta has more natural potential than Goku" was always a plot armor-y aspect of the show that never panned out in practice. Like, when you look at their power levels before/after zenkai boosts, Vegeta usually gets less than 50% stronger while Goku gets hundreds of percentage points stronger. ex: Vegeta during the Saiyan Arc has a power level of 18,000. yet gets mogged by beast form Zarbon with a power level of 28,000. One Zenkai boost later, he still is no match for Recoome at 40,000. Meanwhile, Goku shows up to Namek after one zenkai boost and 7 days in a training capsule with a power level closer to 180,000 (there are some inconsistencies here. Vegeta's power level jumps up to 135,000 after eating a senzu bean, and we have to ask: do we count Kaio-Ken? but overall, Goku just seems to progress faster),

@Raymeria 3 ай бұрын

which game footage is shown? im interested to play this ^^

@uzairplaysyt1139 2 ай бұрын

Timestamp?

@eslwgpg1226 Күн бұрын

It’s a very simple question to answer. Trunks hadn’t mastered SS1 so therefore didn’t have access to SS2

@mikitadou 3 ай бұрын

Well he did get SSJ Rage, which is the most OP normal SSJ transformation to date, made him go toe to toe with Super Saiyan Rose and even outperform him. Regarding SSJ2....Real answer. SSJ2 didn't exist at that point yet. Hell even Toriyama forgot that SSJ2 existed.

@othulhock2700 3 ай бұрын

He also needed to be a mastered super saiyan

@everettramsdell5984 2 ай бұрын

I always thought it was because Gohan's time on Planet Namek was a lot of experience training wise also about one Nameking unlocked his powers you know like he did for Krillin.