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The Turtle Tank is evolving into a Crab, because well, everything evolves into a crab.

If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid.

It looks like something the A-Team would drive out of a barn.

The low visibility and tank being able to shoot only if the entire tank moves reminders me of a Jagdpanther. Same concept nearly 90 years ago.

I prefer the name "Blyatmobile"

Never forget, Daffy Duck joined the U.S. marines and saved bugs bunny from an Albanian prison

That cut to turtle tank maintenance is genius, thank you

The UAF captured a turtle tank yesterday. It was gutted inside. The active protection pods were empty. The 'armor' was sheet metal. It was a giant APC with literally no armor, even the captains turret hatch was welded shut. The only opening was the driver seat.

Tsar mangal is literally "king BBQ box"

The kill dozers two fatal flaws was that its cooling system wasn't modified and its designer hadn't done enough planning to account for getting stuck

They were doing this in the Philippines back in 2016, they used wood and scrapmetal to form "armor" or copecages for their APCs

"That barn just moved" that bit of humor so quintessentially American, that it left me smelling the Chicken and Gravy meal and the apple pie dessert 😂😂😂❤.

The cut to the lady talking about "you need to clean your turtle's tank once a week" killed me!

I prefer what Perun called them "Assault Sheds" since they no longer perform the tank function

Love the analysis and the quips. Hell yea for the Perun shoutout! Love both channels for my analysis!

There's one footage where a turtle tank took 10 drone hits and still kept on going, it drop off infantry at a forest line then went back. So yeah they work.

Tsar Mangal: mangal is not a slang for anti drone armor. mangal means barbecue grill

Kappy trying to understand Tsar Mangal is hilarious. It's just a fancy way to say "Big Grill"... that's it. To deduce it to Emperor of Anti Drone armor is a whole lot of mental gymnastics I couldn't even come up with :D

What I don't understand about the captured turtle tank with the disabled gun and non-rotating turret: why not lift the entire turret off the vehicle? Saves a ton of weight and creates space to carry more troops. And it's not as if that hasn't been done before: the Canadian Kangaroo from WW2 comes to mind.

Thanks for making your content. You balance facts, analysis and comedic bits really well. Much future success. Keep up the content!

I've said for ages that there were gaps in short range air defence - the UK has practically none.

I'm amazed how much of modern warfare was invented decades before in sandbox style video games. I remember a famous ARMA clip of someone who put a C4 on a quadcopter, and we all speculated if one day, someone would do that. Turtle tanks are and have been a staple for games where you can randomly place plates on tanks, and expect small rocket or drone attacks.

For performing ordinary tank roles it looks like a downgrade, but as a mobile jammer for the rest of the platoon it makes sense.

the epitome of "if it looks stupid but works, it ain't stupid"

Turtles done with those straws

The News reporter part about cleaning your turtle tanks got me real good!

one practical purpose is it keeps the guy wielding instead of out on the front getting ground up. "cant go out there I gotta wield these chains on next!"

If you taking your enemy unseriously than you already lost.

So basically the Turtle Tank is meant to be like a real life DISTRACTION CARNIFEX… In tabletop war game terms, the short version is that you plonk a huge, scary-looking model in the middle of the table, which draws a tremendous amount of enemy gunfire, while the real threats make it up the field relatively unmolested. Basically like an RPG tank. It fulfills all the basic requirements: It’s big, it’s tough, it’s (kinda) scary, at least for Ukraines that are trying to fight it off before it can get within firing range, and it’s relatively cheap. Edit: I appear to have started another fight… *_Whoopsies!_*

@Taskandpurpose "mangal" is a brazier with a grill grate, visually similar to the first versions of the protective grates that were installed on tanks. So the correct translation would be king of grates. And about tsar you are correct, but the continuity comes from the Tsar Cannon, with a diameter of 890 mm, one of the largest cannons in the world for that time.

Given the fact that the Russians are moving forward all along the front would say this turtle is just one of the reason for all that movement.

A very information-packed video enjoyable to watch. Good work!

I wish RTS games were still in vogue. The voice acknowledgements from Russian tanks being equipped with turtle armor or moving with turtle armor would be comedy gold in a new C&C Red Alert.

Tsar Mangal roughly translates as - Tsar's (King's) BBQ Grill. Mangal is a type of BBQ grill that most of russki and Ukrainian people grill meats on. It's a metal cased box where you put metal skewers with meats on top and cook Shashlik (type of Shish Kebab), or fish or any other kind of BBQ things.

"...did that Barn just moved?..."😊

40k reference, as someone whose been subscribed from many years prior. thank you Cappy!

First thing I learned in armor school at Fort Knox was “if you can be seen, you can be killed” followed by “if you can see them they can see you” a tank on the move is the most vulnerable target. I used keep these rules in mind when parking in hull defilade and preparing my next three positions.

Woo, Perun call out! Love you too, Task and Purpose.

that Rob Lee shoutout much deserved, dude grinded first year, still just posts solid info

1- Hey Comrade help me I can't find the right set of keys for the tank. 2- It's the set with the turtle key holder!

Giving a shout out to Perun! Good on you Cappy! Class recognizes class. Salute!

Managal is a BBQ grill in russian, Tsar-mangal is analogy with tsar-pushka(tsar-cannon) and tsar-colocol(tsar-bell). Simply means the biggest BBQ grill.

This was very informative, thank you.

There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent. Lao tzu

When I see a turtle tank I can't help but think Jawas will pour out and try to sell some droids.

Most of the men in my family in Ukraine are fighting Russia. Two of my cousins are drone operators. So far, they say the turtle tanks have only presented a "modest" problem for them when it comes to killing the tank. The actual metal is NOT a problem for their FPV drones apparently, as that metal is NOT armor, it's just common scrap sheet metal / aluminum and offers no actual protection (none of my cousins failed to achieve, at bare minimum, a mobility kill on a turtle tank with any of their FPVs. However, the real problem from these tanks isn't the idiotic metal sheets (again, they do nothing) - it's that MANY of these tanks are fitted with extensive jammer suites, making it very difficult to get drones to hit them. Both of my cousins say they often have to fly 5 to 10 FPVs at the tank just to get 1 of the drones past the jamming and hit the tank.

Dude the Perun plug tho!!! He’s so good even other mil channels are reccomending him!

Very educational. Thanks.

Forced to use old ones? That's some military grade copium. You literally just said they utilize junk to do something useful and unique. Should they waste t90 on that?

Shoigu!!!! Where's the ammo in my turtle tank Shoigu?!?!?!?!

Clearly there are "revisions" being implemented that help soldiers survive in the present environment. Great report.

Great call too.

This is like war in Marawi, Philippines. The tanks where retrofitted with wood, and it works. You can alao paint it with free wifi as a lure for enemies. Haha

"No ammunition found in the tank" This is probably the most survivable tank Russia has in its arsenal given that their tanks love doing turret tosses 😅😅

It's wild your vehicle ended up online.

An interesting comparison to make might be torpedo nets on Battleships in the late 1800s and early 1900s (They came back for a bit in WW2 as well). Cheap, fast-moving torpedo boats that could harm giant battleships had just become a thing, and this led to the adoption of awkward spars sticking out the sides of large ships to hold nets that would "catch" the torpedoes and prevent them from damaging the ship. In concept, pretty similar to what the turtle shell is doing on these tanks, and nearly as awkward-looking. Ultimately, these were a clunky stopgap measure, like the Turtle Tanks. Spaced armor in the form of torpedo bulges and torpedo belts replaced the nets, and torpedo boats were partly countered by dedicated "Torpedo boat destroyers" - or, as we call them now, just Destroyers. Which would potentially line up with what's being said here about the potential of new SHORAD vehicles.

It's like the head of the AT-AT from Star Wars come to life.

TMNTs: "Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power!"

One of the greatest problems in making smaller "personal jammers", for individual soldiers, is the power supplie - jammers use a LOT of energy, and a soldier will have to carry a very large assembly of batteries, if the jammer shall work for more than a small periode of time.

Just to let you know i sure do enjoy your videos can't wait for the next one keep up the good work !

WTF is Cappy gonna do when he finally upgrades from his 2006 toyota camry? Those are my favorite jokes lmao

STuG IV on the Turtle Tank: I... I have GRANDKIDS!

So in a way, the turtle tank is a support tank, not a bad idea.

Welcome back A7V, we recognised you.

"you should clean your turtle tank once a week" I almost spat out my lunch XDXD good video

For the entire video I couldn't stop thinking of the Brain Bug from Starship Troopers.

It may not be the precision of the Tunguska that is the problem. The operational envelope that FPV drones exist in is challenging for older radars. Because of their _relatively_ low speed and low RCS, powerful *microdoppler* radars are an absolute musts for detecting small drones in time to do anything about them. Tunguska were optimized for higher speed threats with better radar returns.

They are easily blinded completely from the front, and then the crew/personel have no idea where they are going.

You know, that for your average infantrymen, you’re pretty dang smart. thanks for a good examination of the turtle tank and its purpose. Of course since your’re task and purpose I suppose that makes sense. Enjoy your videos. Please keep them coming.🍺 Cheers!

actually,for what it is being used (a battering ram that absorb ukrainian fire) the turtle tank is good. The last 80 yeas are full of examples of tanks modief even in grotesque fashion to get the job done. In ww2,the US tankers even used to apply concrete on the hull of their tanks becuse they were scared af of the german guns.

The full range of capabilities for the Turtle tank or similar styled modification is something we can fully investigate after the war is over. With that said, it sure is interesting to see the crews of these tanks purposefully trade in their awareness for additional armor. I'm no soldier but last I checked it was imperative to stay aware of your surroundings especially as a tanker, who's awareness is already reduced by the nature of being inside essentially an armored box with tracks.

Based on some media information, while they do not protect entirely from drones and heavily decrease situational awareness of crew, these constructs allow tanks to survive several drone strikes, usually long enough for supporting infantry to shoot down other threats or for vehicles to retreat. It is mostly anti-drone defense though and partially protects from diving munitions.

the impact of killdozers legacy lives on. rip legend

Literally a T-62 with a cage that does the job with few losses and able to be used effectively in 90% of the operations as a massive assault breacher destroying countless fpv and land mines along the way- and again this being a T-62 which was first tested in 1958!!

Adaptation and improvisation might look strange but just look at the Super Pershing from World War 2 that had armor plates welded to the front for extra protection. Shermans at the time also had sandbags, logs, track links, and extra steel plates welded to them to act as improvised armor.

I find it hilarious that tanks are starting to look like they did when they first made their appearance.

People tend to forget we did somethi g similar in iraq in afghanistan with the RPG cages and the modifications we did to our turrets when grenades were dropped from bridges into the trucks

The major problem with the proliferation of aerial drones is that the cost-to-kill ratio of conventional weapons is horrible. If an FPV drone with a warhead can cost as little as $500 while it costs between $10,000 - $20,000 fully amortized to shoot it down, then that's ultimately a losing proposition even for the USA. While experiments with laser weapons may (or may not....) pay off, it's clear that a radical rethink of how to deal with aerial threats is needed. Also clear is the need for huge quantities of ATGMs. Shame the production lines mostly got shut down.....

The soldiers, having the goal to survive always have interesting if not always good ideas)

Yes.

Perun!!! Best PowerPoint creator on the Internet!! Such a good channel

Can't help but find it hilarious that this 100% looks like something that orks from WH40K would put together.

You are a smart guy Cappy, i love this whole take especially the "we ignore what they are doing at our peril" The entire emergency of these I think mirrors exactly how it was when tanks first appeared on the battlefield. The first reactions were laughter. Resisting that urge means more good men and women will survive as we can adapt faster.

14:35 these external jammers strapped onto a pallet placed on top of a tank were very short lived, like 1 week. The turtle/shed tanks then appeared with some of the first clearly having jammers installed. The first of these apparently took something like 24 FPV drones out. This number fluctuates as sometimes Ukraine captures the EW and there is a window of Ukraine's drones being unjammed. I've heard one stat about how Ukraine will send a wave of 3 FPV drones against a tank; however, if it is a turtle/shed tank then that becomes 6 FPV drones.

I think the old T28 Super Heavy Tank (also had the T95 name) is feeling a little left out. Cant have a turtle tank fight without the Doom Turtle!

Perun getting shoutout from Task & Purpose. Crossover when?

Depends on effectiveness of newer armor arrangements. I could see either companion vehicles for drone defense, or 2nd mini turret on an MBT driven by sensor array autofiring flak air burst rounds.

10:28 Not "limited our field of fire almost in half" but either "limited our field of fire to almost half" or "cut our field of fire almost in half".

8:39 what is that website called?

Philippines: 😅😅😅 your not the first one

That crossbow giveaway is pretty cool.

Yea, this seems like it's just returning to tutel tanks. One tabk can be up armoured in a platoon, carrying all the vital instruments such as navigation and anti-drone jamming devices, while the rest of the platoon are regular tanks that are protected from drones by the first up-armoured tank.

I despise the whole "the tank is dead" I see because of drones. I just see it as a matter of time before a counter measure is properly found. It is something one needs to tackle no matter what sooner or later, seen ideas of RWS fitted with ammo that fragments to take down drones, ECM systems that are in general stronger and on more frequencies and more. I think just ECM warfare will get way more focused on going forward.

When Russia uses a t72 turtle its "proof' that they are out of tanks and need to resort to such "desperate" but when Ukraine uses T55s & Vickers mgs from WW1, They're "innovators adapting to the modern battlefield with whatever they can"

Thanks

It makes sense to use it now as it the ground is semi drying out, I can’t see this lasting for winter though

We designed the Early LAVs, and they were originally supposed to be lightning fast, responsive, and go-anywhere vehicles (why the 8 wheels and able to float over water). At first they weighed only 14-tons. The footprint pressure was so small, that they could drive over many of the old mines. They were intended to get a squad In and Out, before the heavy armor or artillery could gets its act together. This worked for about 10+years. Now, After a few combat missions with modern drones, fire-controlled fast turrets, dual-warhead TOWs, AIM-120 GPS-guided Mortar vehicles, and any form of a 6kgram IED, these vehicles have been MUTATED well beyond their original functions. Add-on spaced armor and grilles, and active armor, and bottom protection from smart mines, have just made these vehicles into another form of the M2 Bradley. None of them can float. The top armor is so cheesy that any 2kgram/warhead drone can disable them. Credit goes to the US Army and Marines, since they added-on whatever devices needed to make them viable on an actual battlefield. That probably cost many lives. It is clear that vehicles of this type need some kind of "overhead protection" mechanism or electronic devices, which reduce or eliminate small drone attacks. Drones can go for 10-to-20-times the distances of artillery rounds. Russian forces have artillery as their fundamental battle doctrine. They are responding just like the US forces did, to mitigate the threats for their enemy. I predict that electronic warfare will be the next actual battleground at a tactical level. At a strategic level, it will be heavy warheads, launched from a vast distance, where the launching platform will be safer. For the Ukraine, any electrical power plant, water supply facility, railroad transfer yard, gasoline and diesel storage facility, and heavy bridge crossover, will soon be destroyed, from a far distance.

Can't wait to see what else you have up your sleeve!

Mangal is metal structure for frying shashlik outside a house. Like a bbq. So they themselves consider this protection layer as a bbq grill for theirs soldiers)