Why WAGO's will always FAIL this TEST...

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@truckgotstuck 3 ай бұрын

Remember, you are measuring the temperature on the outside of the wire nut. If it's that hot through all the plastic, the connection is going to be MUCH hotter.

@fxw 5 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure the WAGO is not rated for 62 A - so this "test" shows nothing other than when you are over the rated current the connectors will get very hot.

@damustermann 5 ай бұрын

Better rename the video to something like "Why you shouldn't use twice the rated current on a connector" - This is not a test on anything anybody should ever do. You could downsize the wire to burn everything down and call it a failed wire. About as useful as this....

@lefixes 5 ай бұрын

at 80 amps when wagos are rated for 32

@electro2606 5 ай бұрын

I have never seen a wago fail when used correctly. I have seen fake ones that where melted

@AK-vx4dy 5 ай бұрын

@3:30 You cheated, for WAGO you showed temperature as a temperatur of WAGO of cables and for blue point you don't

@brycedonfrancisco2926 5 ай бұрын

I use WAGOs all the time for low voltage wiring. Card readers, security panels, fire alarm controllers, they're great

@MichaelRBaron 5 ай бұрын

In damp environments you're gonna have failures in 5 years on DC

@retrozmachine1189 5 ай бұрын

I did my own tests some time ago. Spring lever type (so Wago, other brand names and fakos) vs good old Aussie twist up and whack into a terminal. I daisy chained 10 of each to amplify the results and measured / jiggled the string. Beyond any question that spring lever ones had higher resistance and were mechanically unstable, ie resistance varies if you twiddle them rather than leave them alone. Guess what? It didn't matter. In any sane application of wiring design you won't have enough dedicated joints (ie not a joint at the back of a power outlet, switch etc) for the increased resistance of the spring lever type to push the circuit out of spec. With the mechanical stability aspect, if your terminations are flapping around in the breeze you've screwed things up royally anyway and the connectors aren't a factor in that.

@Heisenberg618 5 ай бұрын

"Flapping in the breeze", I'm detecting Dave Jones energy. ;-) WINNAH WINNAH CHICKEN DINNAH!

@derKarl_stp 5 ай бұрын

I do enjoy a lot of your comment and I really like the overload component on many tests but honestly this time it is a bit weird... I know that blue point connectors are the closest to our screw type connectors but comparing something to a product not rated to the amount of current just to have something fail... yeah... every connector has its use... just the wire nuts are kinda yeah... oldschool and US-American tradition the blue points are some tough things but I am sure they are rated for a different current range than the WAGO 221 clamps it is kinda weird to compare connectors on a multiple of the current that they are rated for (wago clamps for example are rated for 32A at max. for usage but in the vid you went up to 80A+ and for normal every breaker should have popped way before that level on current twould have been reached in a regular use) And actually it was the wire failing first... on ALL connectors from what I have seen. I bet you can break the blue points as well with the "wrong current" used and "usage above rating" just that it has not been shown in the video by the way, for high current usage you don't use any of these clamps but you use crimp connectors that hold up to way higher currents, at least if you know what you are doing (which I guess you do know) but for entertaining reasons... goal achieved

@luixmod1 5 ай бұрын

why test a 2,5mm2 cable with 64A? you should test all in normal conditions in this case for that type of cable should be 16A or 20A.

@SimonBauer7 2 ай бұрын

if you run 80 amps through something rated for 32 amps something went very wrong in your wiring.

@potatosordfighter666 3 ай бұрын

Interesting to see how they reach failure points individually. It definitely makes sense that having a busbar as opposed to wire-wire connection would make it less efficient, and therefore hotter. This video gives good info in the event that you need to use one of these in an application with too high of current, or in an area with poor/no cooling. That said, none of these will likely be used often in high current applications, but I can absolutely see someone using them because it's all they have, or because they think "it'll be good enough"

@gregchambers6100 2 сағат бұрын

Why use the cheapo yellow wire nut? Why not use a good yellow or a tan?

@AK-vx4dy 5 ай бұрын

@5:12 why failure on WAGO ? Does WAGO lost connection ? Increased resistance ? Exposed connectors ? It only became one use, providing safety. Blue point @5:24 seems to expose metal also i see some shady cheating here, one conductor is not inserted or broke off (at least partialy) ?

@ElementalITcc 5 ай бұрын

GREAT video! the fact that all of them even survived that torture test is impressive. at the end, it looked like some of the plastic / insulation had melted enough to expose conductor. did you see any of this?

@volvodoc01 28 күн бұрын

WAGOs hold the wire so much better than wire nuts. Seen plenty of wire nuts let loose later for no obvious reason

@TUSIP 5 ай бұрын

I have a question.(I'm living in europe) I was thinking use wago connectors for a future project. it will be a small room with 2 outlets and one lamp. I will protect whole room with B16 circuit breaker and use 2.5 mm thick cables. Will it be safe to use wago connectors?

@Lennart_Jensen 5 ай бұрын

Yeah They are good for up to 32A. I have never had one failed me. The only reason I don't use the clip version, is they are to easy to pull out off when you arr open boxes and are going to debug.

@derKarl_stp 5 ай бұрын

they are rated to not make any issues in domestic use, this test in the vid is over the certified range tho so you might not take the results for your own decission unless you want to get beyond certification on the use as said, we are way past the 32A which they are rated for and with enough current you can roast any connector

@adoughertycontracting7243 5 ай бұрын

Yes 100%

@Ornithopter470 5 ай бұрын

@@derKarl_stpgets really spicy when you short out a bus bar.

@tfrowlett8752 5 ай бұрын

As a fridge mechanic apprentice, this is all very relevant, I have used wire nuts before for certain compressors

@potatosordfighter666 3 ай бұрын

Would be cool to see this done again but comparing real wago Vs knockoffs

@Muck-qy2oo 2 ай бұрын

I always knew that my amateurishly selfmade botch connectors are the best in the world!😁

@hernerweisenberg7052 Ай бұрын

At 1:30 you can see that text on the side of the Wago saying its rated for 20A. You "test" it with more then 3x that current.

@stepanvinnikov6024 4 ай бұрын

Guys should understand series and parallel circuits how they how circuit works. Before make a video.

@AlienInSider 5 ай бұрын

In this clip you are making a major mistake! I think you will understand it from the following: The hotter the wire, the less electricity flows through it! To make the experience fair, you'll need to do 5 more tests with new items ;)

@andymuzzo8568 5 ай бұрын

Awesome. I commented on the Greatscott video about testing our blue points

@thinklist 5 ай бұрын

I still love them 🤙

@aserta 5 ай бұрын

Best method is the old method. Take a high grade bolt. Said bolt will be sliced down the middle to accept wire. The slice should be one third of the bolt's diameter, not bigger (so appropriate sized bolt required). Silver plating of bolt, washer and nut. You insert the wires in, opposite one another. Three wires are two one way, one in the center facing the other way. Put washer, tighten nut, snap excess prongs bending outwards towards the nut and drive one of the prongs back into the hole as a wedge to permanently lock it in place. High quality shrinktube. Copper on copper, where the nut is purely mechanical advantage to keep the wires together. The whole wire will melt before anything else will. No BS, no long term issues with plastic aging. No issues with cheaply machined (thin) jackets that are cut to leave the bare minimum brass tube around where time would eventually fracture the brass from expansion of materials under heat, no wire twisting garbage. Just pure. Mechanical. Connection as the Amp gods intended.

@user-cl8us2kl7b 3 ай бұрын

Definitely these are not designed to that current wht they say it can handle. I'd say its good for low current appliances like decorative LED lights, or other low consumption stuff.

@SuperUltimateLP 2 ай бұрын

They are rated to 32A and here in Germany thay are the standard for a reason. We generally use a higer voltage, so voltage drop and current will be lessened.

@hackbyteDanielMitzlaff 5 ай бұрын

O.k. i have to be honest.... i didn't like your video at all ..... i still don't really like it.. But you're actually right, the Technical Design Aspect of the Wago and other Cage Clamp connectors, will always suffer heating on the busbar and it's connections.. So .. at least now we actually know why we should never buy any cheapo alternatives.... because ..... from wago, at least you get guaranteed that they won't melt down just in normal usage. :) Meh ... "Blue Point" ... Who comes up with such names? Whats bad on the god old german "Lüsterklemme"? *EvilGrin* Hacky. ;)

@thinklist 5 ай бұрын

What didn’t you like about it?

@crissalex8906 5 ай бұрын

Americans should firstly get to the 21st century in the matter of electrical installation. I have seen A LOT of videos about electrical installations in US, and talked to friends who are electrical engineers, myself being an electronics engineer, and everybody says the same thing, US electricians need to adapt the rule book to the present day, and toss the 20th century one.

@ElementalITcc 5 ай бұрын

in what regard? like specific examples? (serious question). I'm not an electrician, but love the science and engineering of the field. What is the US doing wrong?

@crissalex8906 5 ай бұрын

@@ElementalITcc Nice seeing a person asking a question in a serious way on internet these days:). First, the electrical panels. As you probably know, there are multiple types of protections, ones for the circuits, to protect the wires in the installation, to not overheat them if the device connected to the outlet of these wires is consuming too much amps or if the wires make a short circuit. These are called MCB's. There are protections to protect the people of electrocution called RCD or GFCI in America. They are checking if the current consumed by the devices is the same as the one returning to the RCD(if a heating device is using 5 amps, 5 amps must turn back from where they came from). If the current returning is not the same, it means it goes somewhere else, maybe through a person and to the ground. A human heart can stand up to 30 miliamps, above this value can be fatal. Americans are usually using those only in places like bathrooms and kitchens. They MUST be in every circuit in every house. These can save lives. There can be electrical devices wich came with a fabrication fault, that's why we need these. Apart from those 2, there are relays to interrupt the phase in case of lighting strikes to not fry the 2k dollars tv or anything else. Protection from electrical arc, AFDD. Using cables instead of pipes and those kind of things. Not twisting wires for God sake:) It is wrong in every way. Most of electricians think that if you have 3 or 4 centimeters of twisted wires, it is a good connection. Wrong. Current will only use the first milimeters from the twisted wires, the rest is pointless. Because of earthquakes, vibrations etc, twisted wires, if not done correctly, can suffer modifications, which is bad. A wago connecter is much more easy to use and elegant. If you want to moify something after the connection was done, the wago can let you do that, but a wire connector is destroying the conductor. They are tested and re tested and they can withstand up to 80 amps ac current 230V(a man from my country did that test). Protection from direct touch, anywhere in the installation. Pigtails? Prehistoric. I saw a video in which an electrician was installing the lightning in a kitchen, and the device came with a wago. He cut the wago and put a wire nut:(. There are things that are not coming through my mind right now, but those i wrote about above are the most important. Thank you for reading this, hope was not too long and my english was good enough:)

@lorddissy 5 ай бұрын

@@crissalex8906 I'm confused about your complaint. American code requires GFCI on each circuit or on each outlet if not on the circuit. We also require arc fault protection on any circuit not hard wired to an arc welder. We require conduits/armor behind walls, we require lightning arrest. You are also wrong saying our code requires wire nuts. They are still allowed to be used but so are wago and many other junction devices. The only requirement in the code is that you must follow the manufacturers directions when using them. Of course wago would be far more popular without scare videos like this one saying how they fail and burn when that is demonstrably false. People just aren't smart, they read the clickbait and thumbnail, but don't watch the video to see how not only does the wago work up to their max ratings, but many times above their max ratings. So of course people are scared to use them.

@wreckage-vs5jv 4 ай бұрын

Sorry but clickbait. Your Electroboom reaction showed up under his video this I came here. If you want to attract a loyal audience for more than a few clicks add s o m e credibility. It's not in burning wagos.

@dus10dnd 2 ай бұрын

The reason the wire nut is having issues is because the Wago connector is inline with it. When you have a compromise on a circuit, the entire circuit is compromised... that is how electricity works. The Wago will cause the wire to get hot when there is a significant load because its limited contact surface makes that point like having a smaller gauge wire in place that isn't rated for that current. This means the entire wire gets hotter and resistance increases, creating a runaway effect and screwing up EVERYTHING, including the wire nut.

@Faraonqa 5 ай бұрын

its Vago you know like that certain V word

@walrus10001 5 ай бұрын

Outstandingly pointless.

@sebyrobert1102 14 күн бұрын

The test is very wrong. Was it so hard to test them individually??? 👎👎👎

@knightsun2920 5 ай бұрын

i will stick to the wire nuts. When heated they can expand and contract back to original size. What I dislike the Blue point is its screw and WAGO looks to flimsy. The heat and cooling cycles might loosen the parts over time. My dad still have a few wire nuts that use a screw, the3y dont work so well.

@DerZayc 5 ай бұрын

is "The heat and cooling cycles might loosen the parts over time." not basically the same like "When heated they can expand and contract back to original size." ? The spring mechanism inside the wago can compensate for that. i didnt use wire nuts before (they are just not common here) so i dont know, do they have a way to compansate?

@VjSky 5 ай бұрын

I swear these wago fanboys are worse than apple 🤣

@derKarl_stp 5 ай бұрын

let me guess you are a blue point fanboy that finally feels as a winner? ever considered the rating on the different products? and when you take a 32A rated product to like more than twice the rated current... it doesn't surprise me it got a bit hot... 🥴