As long as the Orcs are amazing and the barbarians look like Conan, I am in. I am a simple man. I just want to crush my enemies.

Looking forward to use the minis to start a frostgrave game. the starting box seems perfect for it

I really like your enthusiasm about this and your take on the culture is correct, imo. I was not impressed by Warcrow when it was announced, I didn't feel it departed strongly enough (or at all really) from the usual fantasy tropes. That said, as you point out, maybe it is not really for me. If CB are able to meaningfully tap into the new generation of DnD players that are much more diverse than previous generations it could be a massive game changer for them. I don't honestly imagine they will, just because tabletop wargaming is so different from ttrpgs, but I certainly hope they can. I would love to see more women and girls at my lfgs and I would 100% get into Warcrow if it meant I would see a wider range of players across the table from me.

Warcrow adventures has some of the most awesome miniatures I’ve ever seen. I couldn’t back the project because life got in the way, but I will be picking up some individual miniatures when the wargame comes out! I did back TAG raid though and can’t wait for those minis!

Love your take, and have to say I agree with the sentiment wholeheartedly. Thank you for making this video! Also, crazy high production values, and killer jacket!

Great Vid Derek! You’ve brought a light towards Warcrow that I didn’t realize I would have. Looking forward to see where CB takes it :)

So shocked that you dont have more views. Keep up the great work!

I think you're right that this game isn't specifically aimed at Infinity players. It doesn't feel like it. I think there's a lot of people who like CB's minis and how they run their shop, but just don't dig Infinity for whatever reason. I hope this is a huge untapped market and we'll see a bunch of articles from mainstream hobby sources saying: "Is Warcrow going to take the top spot from AOS?"

Your points are great, especially the talk about GW being more faceless and less about the community, and they've stated before they're just a miniatures company and they couldn't care a hoot about people.

Love the massive lighthouse bro. That can be a fantasy terrain piece to use

I threw a buck into the KS for Warcrow Adventures because I wanted to keep tabs on what they were doing, but this is what I was really waiting for. I can't wait to see what they come up with for this!

Seeing those miniatures for WarCrow made me so happy!!!!!!! 🙂😲😲😲😲🤩🤩🤩

Great video! I spent the last days trying to figure out what to play since I am looking for a good FantasyGame. It is tough... as you said. Most games are either army size with high model counts (Conquest, AoS, TOW, KOW etc.), have a pretty restrictive IP (LTOR) that limits creativity when painting (most people paint Gandalf as Gandalf like in the movies i.e.), have sub-par rules (AoS) or are over-simplified Skirmishers like Warcry which limits long term playability. There is nothing like Infinity for Fantasy Fans, so I am really hyped for Warcrow right now. The Minis look great, CORVUS BELLI knows how to write engaging and fun rulesets, the universe is classic fantasy with some little fun twists and I just hope that they can fill that niche that exists in the wargaming world. I am totally here for it!

The ride-or-die energy is strong, I respect it! I won't lie, not being a fantasy fan, Warcrow exists in a 'this mini might be cool to have' territory for me depending on what they release, but I'm definitely looking forward to seeing how they expand on their factions. CB have proven themselves with Infinity that they have a strong sense of fashion and outfit design, so if any minis could be recontextulaised as modern-era fashionistas I'd definitely be listening.

I'm cautiously looking forward to knowing more of it.

I don't think they will attract the infinity community. The infinity community is very tournament driven and very hardcore. As a infinity player my mind can't process more games. But that is a good thing. Infinity is like a punch to the face to get into. Very hard. If you are not prepared to lose every game you will not stay in the game.

Looking forward to seeing more on this game as more info gets released. Also have my eye on the moonstone miniatures game :s.

Always a pleasure to hear Wrath of Kings get a mention. My play group is small but we know when we have a gem on our hands.

really hope this game takes off. will use the minis for dnd/ frostgrave for sure :)

That Bard is great. So funny.

oh an atlatl, that's a weapon you don't see too often!

Awesome vid, if Warcrow can do larger scale games like AoS, I’ll definitely keep an eye out for it. Looks very promising.

Great and accurate analysis!

Blorean warhammer here. You had me at "for the culture". Subbed.

I am interested but admittedly I am more into sci fi, so I’m interested to see where this goes, how good the models are, and just how good it feels to win one of these games but after that there’s a good chance I could save up the money for at least a good intro into the game.

great take.

So excited for this game!

16:50 "Maybe you are a keyboard warrior" Me: Glances up from the comment he's typing, makes note to make an additional comment pointing out this coincidence.

I'm interested to see where this game system lands and what it's all about.

Time to make more content about this haha

Excellent and appreciated content! New to the channel, got a like and subscribe out of me. More on the cultural evolution and impact of a variety of wargames very welcome. Cheers!

The Infinity Operation Boxes are 7 models per side and self contained. They could make a Warcrow starter that is similar - the main game is 4x4, but the starter has you playing on a smaller, provided, mat with your smaller forces.

I was excited when this game was announced. It's usually cool to get a new war game. But I still have absolutely no idea what this game is supposed to be. The more board game like approach is nothing new. The setting seems generic at a glance even if there is more to it. I know very little about the factions or how they look or play. It feels like we should have a better idea as a community as to what this game even is by now.

You'd do more for the "importance" of this game by just sticking to the positives of the world and mechanics, and leaving out the virtue signaling. I love waifu games as much as anyone, but shoe horning it always comes off cringy. Women will always be a (general) minority in ttgs, as much as we wish they werent. A bunch of nerdy guys trying too hard to get them involved just seems desperate, which is a turn off to most.

Wait. A faction made up of elves and dwarves working together? Now I'm interested.

From memory the only Table Top Wargame (TTW) I remember getting some traction with female players was Malifaux and I think that was down to the Steampunk Aesthetic which was big around the time of its initial release, and the variety of the characters that could be played from Necromancers to Showgirls. Nothing since has been able to capture that audience IMO and as Malifuax's narrative progressed into its 3rd edition and the Steampunk craze waned the female players moved away from the system into other things. I'd like to hope that you're right about Warcrow being able to bring in some new blood to TTW's that would be really welcome but I think the reason that RPG's in particular have taken off with female players in the last decade has to do with the spotlight RPG's got from Stranger Things and that RPG's encourage a lot of individual creativity both in character creation and how played stories progress. Individual creativity is a big draw to female gamers and its partly the reason why MMO's which have deep and detailed character creation systems have an almost 50-50 split of male to female players. I'm not sure Warcrow or any Wargame in the traditional sense can make use of that creative space especially when it comes to fielding balanced armies against one another which requires a more rigid framework for the system to work, you cant just invent a character or army unit with all their stats and abilities and plug it into a system built for competitive play. Frostgrave and Stargrave are the exceptions here but they are very much built from the ground up as narrative experiences to be played in a campaign and not for competitive games. Finally I'd like to hope that the diversity of characters that have been shown in Warcrow Adventures is something positive that will carry over to the Warcrow wargame, however, there's a risk that any diversity will alienate a portion of the traditional playerbase that the game will initially need to gain traction. Wargaming is still a majority male hobby and like it or not there's allot of players out there who see any embracing of diversity in a setting as an attack of their traditional space, the recent backlash when Battletech got the official collection of stories from LGBT+ authors is a sad example of what can happen. I've been on the Internet long enough that I can see certain reactionary bad actors dubbing the game "Wokecrow" and trying to strangle the game at birth. I really hope I'm wrong about that but recent history has made me cynical.

That is the greatest microphone ever! 👍

More visibility for women is excellent, but I believe that there are a lot of women in the hobby who are purposefully hiding from us men because it hasn't been a great environment for them in the past. I hope that continues to improve.

looks heavy to play

Maths!

I wish Corvus Belli a lot of luck... ... They're going to need it... They are trying to enter a very crowded market that is a niche within a niche. Games like Frostgrave already have communities bigger than Infinity and CB will also have to compete with the big boy in the room, GW's Warcry. Unlike 40k, which continues to just be a completely terrible game from a pure game mechanics perspective, Warcry actually works well and has a player base that loves it. At best Corvus Belli is probably going to steal a lot of their Infinity players away from themselves, while probably not putting a sizeable dent in the Frostgrave or Warcry communities. So I see this game limping along, possibly surviving the test of time, possibly being another Aristeia. I also think your arguments here are highly flawed. Games like Frostgrave, Rangers of Shadowdeep, and Five Leagues from the Borderlands have been doing everything you claim Warcrow could do. Warcrow is coming super late to the game and needs to really do something astounding or it's going to be just another fantasy skirmish game and not really stand out among the others.

I don't know much about how the game plays, but the boardgameyness of "Adventures" was a huge turnoff. Propietary dice, a spinny wheel tracker thing, the bizarre unit cards. It all reeks of boargameiness. I really don't want anywhere near it. And the miniatures, while cool I guess and technically well executed, are very boring and generic. They are very clearly digitally sculpted. There's no central theme or aesthetic. They look like literally any other of hundreds of generic fantasy D&D miniatures. It just seems like the most bland of the bland with board gameiness attached. I don't see the hype. If the gameplay ends up being really good, that could be reason enough, but right now there's nothing really appealing standout or unique about this game and a few things that are extremely offputing (kickstarter, gimmicks and boardgame design, mediocre miniatures).

Age of Sigmar is amazing, slaps all over 40K

I love the miniatures so far and the rules might be great. The thing I don’t like however is the usual race vs. race thing. I’m a bit sick of genocide games. Yes, there’s the Hegemony which is Human Dwarf Elf. However, it seems the rest are the usual. I was hoping this was going to be more like my D&D group vs. your D&D group. But not everything is out so I’m hoping the rest is a bit more original.

Whilst I'm very much over 40k as a game, I still like the fiction and I might still paint the occasional model. I'm definitely interested in Epic, if GW can keep a reign on their worst impulses and not monitise it too blatantly. Over in CB land, I will absolutely continue to vote with my wallet and buy Infinity models. They're gorgeous and absolutely an aesthetic I want to explore more, plus the game is very intriguing IF I can find some local players. But for Warcrow, I just don't have space in my brain for a fantasy game. I wish CB every success with the game and with the model line, but I can't buy in. My fantasy itch was supposed to be scratched by Kings of War, but both my Ogres and my Abyssal Dwarves are still unbuilt and unpainted. Maybe that itch just isn't so itchy?

For the culture of what?

None of your points matter at all, if the game isn't fun to play and you failed to give us any reason why we should expect that it will be. No talk of mechanics no talk of innovations no talk of anything other than who got what accolades. None of that matters to me. If you're good at running games and making good product then I'll support it if you're not then I won't

I think you really strike the point about the demographic. My group is very infinity focussed (10to 15 players) and NOBODY is interested in warcrow, me included, but for me is just that I really Dislike classic generic fantasy.

Not interested in the fantasy genre, so I hope CB don't forget about their big dawg infinity and work more on progressing the story and balance the rules in that system.

Resin miniatures is not progress in my opinion. Elves, dwarves, and orcs is not progresion. I don't care about new faces, i care about lovely miniatures and resin is far from that.

Nah.

I'd love to see a game that wasn't 28 or 32 mm scale! 54 mm is ideal. in my opinion. Everyone knows bigger models look better.

Cultural progression, diversity, safe space... Yeah, GW are arseholes but I think I'll stick with WH40k

iam not really with the point that the artists should be aknowledged in the books..because the get aknowledged by geting payed exactly for the job they are doing..creating games and painting miniatures. And i think a Robin Crucdace(i totally butchered the Name) would have loved to not be namend in his books...because the community started to harass him because of his books .And there is a King of Fantasygames..it called Age of Sigmar.

The most important? Because what, you said so?