Would you guys say that the Burning Legion was ultimately an effective army or not? (Cast your vote in the community tab poll)

Legion made biggest mistake, they had epics to drop

Are Nerubians still around? They had really good lore before Warth. I hope we see them again, in some way shape or form.

Illidan had a vision of what the legion had accomplished: enumerable stars and world extinguished and destroyed. Part of the reason he would do anything it took to defeat the legion.

What someone said earlier: they had the combination of ego driven leaders and being too big of an organization.

The Burning Legion did great, when facing opponents, that didn't utilize good tactics and strategy. Up until they got to Azeroth (as far as we know), they could just brute force through everything, but when they couldn't do that, they pretty much didn't know what to do. They might've had good schemers among them, but their military commanders were severely lacking, and they let their pride come before taking a step back and assessing the situation. If their one, tried and true tactic wasn't working, they really didn't have any backup plans. It's telling, that the Legion was most successful in their campaigns on Azeroth, when they utilized outside forces to do their work (The Orcish Horde, The Scourge), instead of committing actual Legion forces into battle. The denizens of Azeroth were ultimately successful, because they (due to necessity) devised cunning plans and forged alliances to overcome and hinder the endless Legion. Still, the victories over the Legion were, at best, pyrrhic, as they came with very high prices.

ILLidan killed the dreadlord's (Nathrezim) homeworld, that's why Azeroth managed to pull trough. the ilidari secured the back of Azeroth's armies and command.

The Legion defeat was so inconsistant. In the War of the Ancients, they feared the open of a second portal on Suramar, because the Legion's numbers would overrun the defenders of Azeroth. On the second invasion, the Night Elf's with help from tens of thousands of survivors from Lordaeron and the Orcs didn't dear to take the open field against the legion. So a super alliance with at least 5 races and a super alliance with the night elfs, 4 dragon flights, wild gods, taurens and a shit ton of creatures couldn't beat a percentage of the legion, but a broken azeroth after 20 years of endless war could beat them IN THEIR HOMEWORLD? Ridiculous. The right way to dispense with the Legion would be in a Avengers Endgame style, with the Keepers, Dragon Flights, Wild Gods, including the ones from Pandaria and Zandalar, new Bolvar Scourge, all the intelligent races and horde + alliance in a big 2 hours raid holding the line against the full power of the legion while the titans seal Sargeras.

I see this in many story lines: They need a threat that everyone is afraid of, a Sauron as it were, but if they were as powerful as they are hyped to be then it would all be over. So they build them up and then have them make stupid mistakes, have a Deus Ex Machina or a mugufin and to allow the heroes to beat them.

Excelent topic to talk about can you maybe talk about the titans and their goals in a future video

I mean they destroyed and conquered thousands of worlds so I can’t say they were ineffective

Video idea. an in depth look into How each class order hall fought against the legion and their efforts In the war

The Legion has extinguished uncountable worlds, and they kept coming relentlessly

I think help of the titans was a key aspect in victory. Even if engine was destroyed, sargeras just could cleave azeroth in half and then spit on little vindicar and thats it. He could easly 1v1 us but again, titans. Without them his imprisonment would not be possible.

Because Plotarmor for the good guys is too strong!

At least they always have the best music :D

The Legion was terrifying enough to make the Titans concern even before Sargeras led them. Was really only because of Medivh did Azeroth stand a chance against Archimonde and his invasion.

Too many big powerful egomaniacs leaders calling their shots on their own, pulling the summoning energy to their side, kinda like a tug-o-war.

The demons that showed Sargeras the potential ruin of the Galaxy was probably just pranking Sargeras so they can get away alive. And since they couldn't be killed by folks on other planets, just went along with his plans and put zero effort into his plans.

I’d say the burning legion was effective through brute force just because they could. The world soul of Argus was being made to reuse its power to constantly revive the demons in the twisting nether. That’s why we kept seeing demons previously killed in previous invasions alive during the Legion expansion. So an army that never dies and can never tire for their conquest of Azeroth I’d say is effective in theory. Besides they made the lich king which made the scourge army which decimated the human kingdoms and most of the native life forms in northrend.

Because in World Of Warcraft, unless you're a part of the Alliance or Horde, you are destined to become a loot pinata. Back in Warcraft 3, the story was told from multiple perspectives, we see each side, including the scourge, we got to play as the villains in that game and it was great. The Burning Legion was a massive threat in that game because unlike World Of Warcraft where people play as their own avatar, in Warcraft 3, you're playing out an actual story with actual characters. So they could afford to make certain characters die in Warcraft 3 like Uther and Grom Hellscream. The player avatar in World Of Warcraft can not die and this is a problem. The player avatars are like super saiyans now, they are unstoppable and the reason for this is that Blizzard wants players to feel powerful and heroic by killing all of these powerful villains. Trouble is that the player avatar has rarely ever faced defeat... and if they do, they always get out of it unscathed. So because of this, the player avatar always wins. The Burning Legion can not work without some kind of sacrifice on the opposing side, since the player avatars cannot die, there is no sacrifice... at least not from the player's perspective so it doesn't work. Therefore the Burning Legion exist purely for cannon fodder, filler material to pad out the game longer and make it feel epic so that players keep paying their monthly subscription fee. Put simply, the Burning Legion has been milked dry, their potential wasted because Blizzard wants to stroke their paying customer's ego by making them win all the time, because of this, the bad guys never win. Another trend that Modern WOW seems to do is to make poorly written characters turn heel to justify their bad writing which is basically damage control. Look at Sylvanas, she's turned heel simply because Blizzard realizes that players have caught on to how badly written she is so they made her turn heel to try and take advantage of this fact since players hate her now. It just feels cheap at this point. This is what WOW lore is all about now, writing bad characters, players hate the badly written characters, badly written characters turn heel, are milked to death to make them seem more badass than they have any right to be, then they are given ultimate power out of nowhere and after many patches become a raid boss... then a new character turns heel, rinse and repeat. Blizzard panders to the community, that's the problem. They need to stop pandering to what the masses want and start doing what is best for the story. The problem is that the nature of WOW requires them to pander to the masses because that's the only thing that keeps the masses subscribed to the game.

Because we were NOT prepared!

I watched the video now and it is one of the best videos on the chanell this one and the one about the scourge.Can you do the same video structure like this but just about the old gods and the titan forged armies and maybe the mogu army aswell

Two words : Plot Armour.

Idk if the Burning Legion was effective...they had moments :D

I'd love to see the burning legion and the covenant from halo go head to head. They basically are the same thing.

Here's a video idea a Race Faction swap! What if the Night Elves were on the Horde side from the start and the Forsaken were on the Alliance side? I imagine for the Forsaken to be on the Alliance side they would have to be lead by another force. Maybe the Dreadlords killed Sylvanas and put a puppet on the throne, but then said puppet overthrew the Dreadlords or the Dreadlords were defeaten by an outside force? Maybe the Silver Hand and Tyrion?

Because the villains have to lose for the game to continue. Realistically Azeroth would have been doomed in Cataclysm. N'Zoth would have just used the full might of Firelands, Black and Twilight Dragonflights to attack the world tree, while using Al'akir to cause chaos in Uldum, using Twilight's Hammer Cult to manipulate Horde and Alliance from the inside and on top of that, he should have also unleashed the full might of the Empire of Nazjatar.

Because Activision Blizzard has poor writers.

The biggest reason why the legion couldnt take over Azeroth is because they betrayed the scourge and no one betrays the lichking, when Archimonde gave leadership to the Nathrezim to watch over the scourge thats when they got cocky and lost and couldnt go further. The scourge mustered up their armies from the fallen mortals of Azeroth and they knew the Lichking even in his jail had great powers they knew Arthas as a deathknight was powerfull if they let the scourge do their thing it would be enough to conquer Azeroth. The legion waited toooo long, now all the forces of azeroth worked together including Illidan and the scourge. Cause they had a score to settle

Legion was so strange but it was unable to deffend their capital planet from 1 spaceship with few dozens of guys

The Burning Legion's biggest win was finding the planet Argus. Not only did it lead them to the world-soul Argus who made demons harder to kill, but... I'll leave this quote from Xal'atath. "The recruitment of the eredar was quite a win for Sargeras. He desperately needed more intelligence in his warhost."

well the burning legion won battles due to brute force, otherwise, they where quite dissorganiced, you se once they landed on a planet, many of their leaders did their own thing, instead of following orders, heck even Kil´ jaden questioned sargeras on multiple ocations, Archimonde tried to gain power to take over Azeroth him self, instead of waiting for his armies, what led to him dying at hyal, so legion had massive numbers, but due to their own high egos they failed hard.

The real answer... plot armor.

Imagine beating the most powerful army in the whole known cannon of the game in one patch........... oh wait, we did lol.

They're badass

The legion just stood around not killomg

how did we win. The power of respond and other worldly help in the form of us. lol

Classic flaws of a top-down dictatorial power structure, especially one where everyone is so evil and backstabby that there's no trust except what you can secure by fear. The people with the power have to design the whole system to revolve around themselves, just to secure their position, and taking them out drops the whole thing.

Straight up face to face the burning legion would beat all of Azeroths armies without our help

We just legit have plot armor thats what wow is.... our character is plot armor

Here why plot armor

Not first!

Nathrezim should be higher than pitlord

Because they have slaves instead of employees.

I don't think it's fair to suggest that the Burning Legion was in any way ineffective, even if only proportionally compared to other armies and forces. They still came closer to universal domination than any other force in the cosmos, even while fighting against (and largely overcoming) both the Light and the Void. Their defeat came over a long period of time and was only due to a highly improbable convergence of several forces and machinations uniquely qualified to resist them, including but not limited to the Titans, the Army of the Light, their uncorrupted kin (Velen and the Draenei), Illidan and the Illidari, and several things that were themselves creations of the Legion like the Orcish Horde and the Scourge (and by extensions Death Knights and the Forsaken), all wielding some of the most powerful weapons in existence. And even THEN, we had to chink-in-the-armor up this bitch, because we sure as hell weren't gonna take them down head-on.

First.

Antibiotics.

They were ineffective because if they weren't the game would end.

early gang

It's simple, we cheated SEVERAL TIMES along the way. Champions of the future were sent back into the past to help in the War of the Ancients, Medivh came back from death to coordinate the efforts on Warcraft 3, and finally, in Legion, Illidan used the sargerite key to bypass the entire Legion, opening a portal directly into Argus, the "Heart" of their armies. We had advantages that any other race prior has, thanks to beings like Medivh, Illidan, Velen and the Naaru - all of them being very familiar with the Legion's schemes.

Honestly the BL story-wise was really just bad storytelling. Now I can't blame Blizz too much because it would be quite difficult to modify WoW to such a scale that it would accurately represent the 3rd invasion. But let's just think about it this way... The Legion utterly sacked the Eastern Kingdoms during Warcraft 3. Granted, they were weakened by the Scourge, and then proceeded to run rampant through Kalimdor as well. Now if we use the argument of "not being able to summon too many demons because no source of power", in W3, Archimonde was the "source of power" per say. KT summoned him and Archimonde brought the Legion. Comparing that with them using the Tomb of Sargeras AND having Suramar AND Kil'Jaeden... I mean.... they should've completely wiped the floor with Azeroth's armies. And... they had spaceships... and an "infinite" army. Question is, why not simply get a few of those flying battleships over Stormwind / Org, port an array of demons in the cities, rain artillery fire from above, and even if they get defeated, you'll have caused massive casualties that would take way more than "a year or two" to be rebult. Like I get the "can't summon too many demons because need power" argument, but it's still a respawning army, just slow siege Azeroth and eventually it crumbles.

The video starts at 03:00

Burning Legion = Cannon Fodder ;-)

I think were effective and should have ended with wc3. They launched their big invasion and failed. Legion ruins them by making 1 planet of sentiments able to defeat an unlimited army of demons controlling 10,000 of planets.

God I hate what they did to the lore of wow

Because bad writing.

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Because Blizzards story in WoW is pretty much garbage and any villains aren't allowed to achieve anything, not to mention being competent and surviving. Thats the big problem with a story that depicts every damn villain as an world ending or universe ending threat. Its cancer for the story.

Bad writing

Because everything after Wotlk has been trash lore wise. 🤷‍♂️