I live by Seattle also - what’s the best location to buy and shop Grand Seiko for us? I’m looking at the SBGA415, SLGA009, SLGA007

Gotta say this GS has grown on me, and that's rare

So what you wanted to say is GS are beyond boring :)

Seikos have the best dials

@@arctic_skies *classy

@@WatchCrunchOfficial An honest assessment. What you're getting is more viewing time, which allows you to see planned effects as they become clear. If you visit a Japanese garden you find such planned effects everywhere. The same applies to their architecture. See enough of that and you'll become sensitized to that kind of thing. So, it becomes very important when the underside of one watch hand is reflected on a lower watch hand with no distortion but with less light. The endless ways the hands and indexes reflect light become a source of pleasure, as does the interaction between dial texture, amount of light, and warmth or coldness of that light. These effects are very important to the aesthetic. GS uses certain hands repeatedly because all the effects are understood to the artist-designers. Also, every change in hand design will likely change their weight. The GS movements are optimized for very specific weights of hands. In my view, GS is as much a precision engineering and industrial design company as a watchmaker. That's why a Spring Drive movement can exist in watches actually available to the public. It's not just the movement. For this moment to drive a watch, there must be extreme precision in the functioning of the other components. This watch sips barely any power. Mine was exactly on time over a five-day period, based on an atomic clock.

You stand correct. Plus ill add over priced. The maker of this video commented on every single comment except yours. Hmmm... Wonder why?. These youtube "watch experts" are all full of shit. I stopped watching them. Cant say nothing bad or the truth about rolex!. You will be hanged an judged!. Its all nonsense.

I want to agree with you so bad. My problem is if I ever need to liquidate my assets I won’t get anything near my initial cost. Grand seiko doesn’t hold its value, at least yet

Yes I feel the same way Bubba I want to agree so bad with Dario but cannot afford to spend 5500 on a GS and see it depreciate 35%. Besides a Rolex Explorer, Submariner or Seadweller are considered classics. A Spring Drive GS is a great addition to any collection plus they are fun to have. But the questions is if you could only own one luxury watch under 9K (Retail) which one will it be. The answer most likely will be Rolex Explorer or Submariner. And let's not forget Omega Speedster or Aquaterra. However without talking availability Rolex is #1 Omega #2 GS Close 3rd. Own all if you can.

Damn that is a Grand Toyota Camry!!!... Said no one literally... No one. Same reaction to grand seiko. Because its a seiko. Japanese got the world saying oh what a feeling.. Yes feeling bored of toyotas and seikos.

@@happiness8138 buy a GS because some of their designs are by far the most beautiful.

Definitely, I feel like it takes an important spot in mine

I agree!!

Both cost the same to make but one charges $5000 and the other $30000. With Rolex you pay for the brand, nothing else!

wait is there something way more affordable say ur 27 just outta college got an ok job and want to buy just 1 cool all year round great watch up to i guess ... 1k? 2 maybe if its fire fire.. im getting the feeling the minimum for real dopeness seems to be 5 k... or 6k for that cartier watch, any calls for something sleeper 1k 2k mega fire?

Yeah I think that could've been articulated better, I mean to say they got some things to fix before they are at Rolex level. Buy they got the craftsmanship nailed

@@WatchCrunchOfficial No worries, and I enjoyed your take on the Grand Seiko vs. Rolex conversation. Grand Seiko do indeed have some critical issues to fix, especially their bracelets. Rolex has some of the best bracelets, but Grand Seiko's bracelets are not what I would consider even close to luxury level.

That's the low hanging fruit

@@WatchCrunchOfficial it’s what detracted me from getting the GS that I sort of want. I want the SBGC221 I saw one at my local dealer and it had a pinned bracelet with no on the fly adjustment. I love the look, the spring drive and the complications of the watch as well as the thought of the accuracy. BUT I work a blue collar job and my wrist swells and shrinks from day to day and activity to activity. I was at the watch dealer and I currently have a submariner I got 2 years ago, I love the watch AND the bracelet so the dealer told me they could order me any DateJust. I couldn’t pass it up. I got me a two tone DateJust, rose gold, chocolate dial, on a jubilee bracelet, I like that even the jubilee bracelet has the quick adjustment to it. I will say I still WANT the SBGC221 but until I stop finding other watches I want a little more, the SBGC221 will have to wait.

The bracelets are great! They could be improved, but they are still great

AGREE! For me, esthetics wise of the bracelets keeps me from pulling the trigger. Probable because it has no taper. But this is just my opinion.

@@WatchCrunchOfficial where did you get your strap? It looks great! I’m looking for one for my spring SBGA413.

Right! Seiko/GS dive watches look the same to me, with 20x price diff

@@WatchCrunchOfficial what? sbgc 201 or 223? or 231?

Imo the heritage line is where its at. Tbh i bought my SBGA413 over a Dj41 because i wasnt going to play waiting games, and looking back, i dont think I settled, i stepped up. The finish on some of these GS pieces is so much closer to that of Patek or something of that caliber than rolex imo

@@kingoftampa I do not like the heritage case shape and the snowflake feels too big when I tried it on else I might have gotten it. No doubt the GS dial details and finishing is great but there is always a deal breaker for me when I was considering the 3 watches below: 1) Snowflake - case shape, size and bracelet. 2) Skyflake - the power reserve on the dial seems to be darker blue tone when viewed at many angles. 3) SBGY007 - too dressy and only WR 3bar All the above are great watches, its just me that I can't get over the above.

It's art on the wrist 👌

Well said, wanna write my scripts? 😉

Superior watchmaking, yes. But bracelet, sports models design, marketing. All these things they have hiccups with. One day they'll be there with Rolex 👍

@@WatchCrunchOfficial I found the "diver's" Spring Drive watch appealing in photos. Given the increased price of Seikos nowadays, the GS was priced competitively (SBGA463). It's made of titanium (important for repeated dive use) with a black dial. Given that a real dive watch must be designed to withstand huge pressures, this kind of watch is generally heavy. Titanium reduces the weight needed. It's a very GS approach to the problem. And it's not a case of just adding a bezel and calling it a dive watch.

@@skzion2 Tudor Pelagos Best tool diver watch.

Thanks! Glad you found my ramblings cogent 😅

Well said 👍

It is king for the people who doesn’t know about watches. There is nothing special about a mass produced watch.

@@lengue2001 yes it’s no Roger Smith right? I’d agree with you there. But Roger would say there’s no Roger Smith without Rolex…in other words Ferrari today (commercialized or not) doesn’t take away from why Ferrari is Ferrari. In my opinion, there’s a dialogue because Rolex well is Rolex. Especially if someone cannot stand them…it only proves the point more. Personal opinion.

@@ClassicalProtestant I am not a hater, I just say that there are more beautiful and luxurious watches for the same or less for those who know about watches. Ferrari is not an example of your point, I would say a Lexus.

Thanks Andrei! Welcome 👍

Maybe Accutron movement is somewhat similar to Spring Drive but they use a capacitor instead of a main spring.

Lexus is a good analogy, their finishing is really second to none! If you are into that 😉. Very different brands, catering to different aesthetics

@@WatchCrunchOfficial Keep your Sub and add a GS spring drive. Why not own a Ferrari and an NSX if you can.

Thank you! Appreciate that and more to come!

Thanks dude! You notice the details 😉👍

Debate? What debate? Lol

I like your thinking. The GS is definately growing on me.

Nooooooo😂

Exactly 💯

Interesting strategy! If only everyone can think like you 👍

Thanks Milan! I left out cheese references🧀

It's definitely a more subtle beauty, your watch is 🔥

You are not alone bud 😞

Thanks! Yes I forgot to mention no lume 👍

Haha, dude I thought you were gonna send me hate mail for criticizing your fav brand. This watch has really grown on me (on a strap) 🤣

Yeah spring drive is so impressive to me, the more I learn about it 👍

How is it a dead brand if demand is out stripping supply?

@@jalanc5095 it is dead because you can not purchase their product. Eventually old customers will tire and new cuatomers will find other brands. IMHO

If not dead then definitely off-putting. I was saving up for an Explorer thinking I really wanted one but I can’t give my money to someone who won’t take it. If anything I imagine here recently that Rolex has helped GS sales. I bought two myself this year.

Absolutely agree. They are long on craftsmanship but short on design to me.

Very high craftsmanship! That's their forte

Thanks Lydia! Yeah I just found that a day I want to wear a Rolex, has a very different mood than a GS day 🤷‍♂️

Cheers my man, had to put in my 2 cents 😉👍

Thanks! I'm still learning to appreciate the fine finishing of GS 😁 Yes you are right, it goes down to 18 at the clasp.

@@WatchCrunchOfficial I agree! This was my first luxury watch purchase and I’m still enjoying it 1 year later. I’ve found the bracelet to be comfortable most the time. If they upgraded clasp and got some micro adjust, I think I’d have much less complaints. Only half links are challenging lol

It's pretty snappy 😉👍

Yeah I remeasured and you are right, it goes down to 18 at the clasp 😁

Thank you Paul! Glad your enjoyed it 😁👍

Thanks! 10 years and still learning 😉

Both great watches! The dial on yours glows 🤩

Yes, I keep seeing dress dials inside sports cases 😅

I believe that Mike, if you like horology how can you not love the most advanced mechanical movement to date

Yes, they got the hard part down 👌

Thanks Mark. The strap is from Delugs, I think it's the grey ostrich!

Thank you Max - I will check them out. Much appreciated!

Exactly Steve, their aesthetics can't be more different

Thanks! It's from delugs

Thanks Darrell, welcome 👍

Grings! I'm looking forward to your 4 seasons review as well ☺️👏👏

GS finishing is 👌 but Rolex has other fortes as mentioned in the vid

Good points, patiently waiting for Rolex demand to come back down to earth 🤔😆

For me, the mechanical feat of the Spring drive makes up for the thickness.

Delugs

Thanks Dave, appreciate that bud👍

You're right, just measured it with my caliper. Guess I needed a bit more taper, it's the lip of the clasp that annoys me 🤷‍♂️

I have the SBGH271 summer edition. It is a lovely watch! The green dial is splendid in direct Sunlight, but in low light conditions during the winter season, the dial looks almost black and the magic vanishes...

Yeah I've played with that one, love the depth in that dial 😍

@@WatchCrunchOfficial Yep, this is a wonderful watch for the spring and summer seasons! 😎

Thanks Alena! Yes I made sure to put Mercedes in there 😉

Sweet, watch twins 😆

Yes thats true but you have lost about 30% of its value. Im not rich and if I could only own one piece it would be a Rolex Explorer, Submariner or Sea Dweller. I get to enjoy it without loosing money.

@@gito4130 Don't get me wrong, if I get a chance at retail I'll get a submariner. But the only way you loose money on a watch is if you sell it and I'm a buy and keep type of collector.

It's a delugs ostrich 👍