Why We Never Agree On Zack Snyder

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Zack Snyder is one of the most divisive filmmakers out there -- but, well, have you seen the movies he makes?
0:00 What Defines a Snyder Cut?
1:27 Writing Tip!
3:10 300
8:57 Sucker Punch
13:29 Man of Steel
16:04 BvS
17:22 What Defines a Snyder Cut
18:37 Secret Bonus Outro
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@wheet5782 Жыл бұрын

Bro this mans star wars series is one of a kind, probably my favorite video essays on youtube. It really opened my eyes on how much of a masterpiece star wars is.

@derrickstorm6976 Жыл бұрын

So true! A lot of new aspects to things you've not thought about, disregarded, and even somewhat agreed with already

@wheet5782 Жыл бұрын

@@derrickstorm6976 absolutely

@psychfi4995 Жыл бұрын

Have you checked the ring theory on SW?

@wheet5782 Жыл бұрын

@@psychfi4995 No I haven’t, thanks for the recommendation.

@psychfi4995 Жыл бұрын

@@wheet5782 you think SW is a masterpiece now... you'll be even more impressed

@ManSeekingMeaning Жыл бұрын

This was nothing short of incredible. I’m by no means a huge fan or apologist for Snyder, but this was a rather refreshing, concise, and neutral look at the man’s filmography and what he likes to bring to his films narratively/philosophically. That open-ended nature is frustrating, but it is undoubtedly different. Love that you’re branching out to other content, please keep up the great work.

@hulkhatepunybanner 8 ай бұрын

*It's not that neutral. This tries to make Zack Snyder look like Christopher Nolan.* Nolan is giving audiences an idea to think about. Snyder is giving us pictures and... well, just walks away to let you figure it out after buying the movie ticket.

@julianseguin2748 5 ай бұрын

@@hulkhatepunybanner Didn't watch the video.

@hulkhatepunybanner 5 ай бұрын

@@julianseguin2748 *Sure. And I have the PTSD to prove it.* Happy Christmas.

@theunknowncommenter725 4 ай бұрын

@@hulkhatepunybanner typical Zack Snyder hater. Extremely fragile, severely lacking intelligence, and refuses to let him have his credit.

@kyleradams7523 Жыл бұрын

What I have always enjoyed about this channel is that it came out of the blue and dropped the hardest star wars analysis videos on the internet. Then continues to make amazing videos

@psychfi4995 Жыл бұрын

Have you seen the channel Rick Worley?

@giovannibertaina2621 6 ай бұрын

We’ll said!

@onemoreminute0543 Жыл бұрын

When people try to assume Snyder's political leanings from his movies, they often fail to consider how much of his work are adaptations from various sources of different political leanings. Yes, he has brushed with the right wing Miller in adapting '300' and has expressed a desire to adapt the Fountainhead, but he also adapted the anti-fascist owl books and 'Watchmen', which was created by the anarchist Alan Moore. Looking at his original work (such as his DC films or Sucker Punch), it's clear that Snyder is more of a generic liberal, not the quasi randian/fascist/nihilist that people claim him to be

@onemoreminute0543 Жыл бұрын

I know lots of people laugh at how hyper-masculine the Spartans look in 300 but, having literally just come back from a holiday in Greece, I think that also ties into the propaganda at play by Delios. In all of the Greek artistry on vases and statues, the strong men are depicted with abs. It's the Greeks portraying (in a romanticised sense) their own idealised version of a male body. The Spartans in 300 also bare those abs, as if taken straight from the marble carvings of a statue of Zeus. It's a glorification of the Greek body through their own propagandistic lens.

@jhinabloomingflower807 8 ай бұрын

Greeks having a perfect body or not matters little when their history is filled with a ton of wars So they are worthy of having godlike bodies in their imagination Or if the correct nutrition and knowledge of how to work out your body to get a specific physique Ancient Greeks have one of the oldest histories and they are known worldwide for many reasons

@BiriBiri925 8 ай бұрын

True and there is nothing inherently wrong with this, it is wonderful and should be praised. Just like beautiful women.

@darthgamer9861 Жыл бұрын

film critics calling anything “politically naive” just sets me off in a way I didnt know existed

@sunsetman22 Жыл бұрын

film critics are known to publish some of the dumbest takes imaginable

@gianni206 Жыл бұрын

Film critics are some of the laziest writers you’ll find out there. KZfaqr Local mentioned a lazy review The Guardian gave on Avatar 2. They really just say whatever they think will get the most eyeballs.

@Toxodos Жыл бұрын

bit unfair to lump in all critics because of the few clickbaiters who get the most attention

@gianni206 Жыл бұрын

@@Toxodos Lol it’s not a few

@Toxodos Жыл бұрын

@@gianni206 it is if you actually look at all critics, or even just the famous ones. You only ever see the "loud" ones, the ones with the "hot takes" or the most extreme opinions, because those are naturally the most interesting. This is like the popular thinking that journalists or at least main stream media is nothing but clickbait anymore, when not only WE are the ones who keep clicking the bait, and more importantly (and worse), we only remember the clickbait headlines anyway

@NickLysander Жыл бұрын

I love how you chose to focus on Snyder. I feel that him and Lucas are similar in the way they are willing to be stylishly vulnerable... and how their audiences tragically reject it.

@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily Snyder’s audience that rejects him but more of those who don’t see film the way he does. Snyder is a cinematic storyteller in a medium that is primarily visuals. From what I can tell from the side that hate his work they focus more on things like dialogue or realism rather than the interpretation of the visuals. If you make a movie the visuals should be the primary method of conveying story in a visual medium.

@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom Жыл бұрын

@@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT Then maybe he should stick with paintings...? Loads of allegories in visual department with no substance to support them is just pretensiousness, which is what Snyder's critics are actually saying.

@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT Жыл бұрын

@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom you do realize that film started off being SILENT without DIALOGUE right? How did they convey story? VISUALS.

@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom Жыл бұрын

@@Sci-Fi_Freak_YT They had dialogue, in text. And a lot of those silent movies still has far more substance than the average Snyder stuff.

@kartikadewi3270 Жыл бұрын

@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom maybe it's the substances you are not engaged with . Cause, clearly, Zack Snyder makes expensive indie films with the story, plot points, executions and styles and cinematography.

@onemoreminute0543 Жыл бұрын

I do like how you did something similar (and quite meta if I'm honest) for the video itself - is it pro-Snyder or anti-Snyder? Neither - it merely presents the two sides just as Snyder does in his own work

@gavinmcphie6936 Жыл бұрын

No, this video is very absolutely pro-Snyder. It uses a lot of neutral language but the bias is clear

@onemoreminute0543 Жыл бұрын

@@gavinmcphie6936 It still acknowledges the less favourable interpretations of his work, which is the point- Snyders work is open ended to his supporters and detractors

@psychfi4995 Жыл бұрын

@@gavinmcphie6936 I think so too. He called snyder of things that are clearly compliments. An artist that makes you think. Can't get better than that.

@borkwoof696 Жыл бұрын

Creating discussion and controversy with your films really isn’t a big achievement.

@onemoreminute0543 Жыл бұрын

@@borkwoof696 That's usually how art house films work

@SuperMoviemaster21 9 ай бұрын

I’d more than argue that he is more like Christopher Nolan then some realize :-)

@22sfs22 Жыл бұрын

You've heard of death of the author where meaning of art is completely divorced from the intent of the author, this is its contraposed : the resurection of the author where you derive your own meaning by first understanding who the author is.

@onemoreminute0543 Жыл бұрын

Damn, that's a great way of putting it

@joshuakeller7217 7 ай бұрын

The Martha scene in BvS is not about Batman and Superman becoming “best friends” because they realized their moms had the same first name. That scene is about Superman reminding Batman of Bruce’s own humanity, and after self reflection, Batman realizes the error of his way. Bruce Wayne is coming to the brutal realization that he has become a villain to stop someone else from maybe becoming a villain, and his and Clark’s Mom’s name are completely coincidental. While we can argue about the execution of the scene, the purpose of it is extremely important to Batman’s character arc in the movie, and i find it quite absurd that people genuinely believe that Bruce’s ptsd flashback is actually just him and Superman turning into the super friends because of a stupid meme.

@blw4089 5 ай бұрын

The nuances of that scene are completely lost on a lot of people. Afflecks performance was perfect in that moment, it was 90 percent body language. Someone with deep trauma can feel like they're in a deep trance. And hearing his mothers name snapped him out if it in that moment.

@Era-lk1lo 5 ай бұрын

@@blw4089because the delivery flopped and they had to throw out all realism in dialogue to make it happen, even in this video he called it a clumsy move. I don't think anyone thinks it was about superman and batman becoming "best friends", everyone knew Batman would have to see the humanity in superman to come to a sort of truce, it's just how they reached it. Superman could of just said "lex luthor has my mom, can we continue this after I save her" and it would of had the same affect.

@blw4089 5 ай бұрын

@@Era-lk1lo and Batman attacked him immediately. And even is he had said that, Bruce was in no state of mind to listen to him in that moment.

@DurgeDiggler Жыл бұрын

I loved your Star Wars videos, and was beyond elated when you teased one about Snyder -- and you didn't disappoint.

@SoUncivilized414 Жыл бұрын

Glad to deliver for you!

@GODCONVOYPRIME Жыл бұрын

@@SoUncivilized414 this video made me unsubscribe, just saying.

@bretts8070 Жыл бұрын

I see what you did there, not giving us a resolution or picking a conclusion, and forcing us to actually contemplate Snyder's motivations. From someone who hates his interpretation of Superman... well done, you just forced me to tackle this from a completely off-balance perspective that short-circuited my usual response. While I believe Superman is best interpreted through a traditionalist perspective, with the core heart being the inherent clear goodness of Clark and the Kents, and that is my biggest criticism of Man of Steel, I will at the very least now find myself wrestling with Snyder's vision with fresh eyes. I may be due for a rewatch of his filmography. This isn't the first time you've done it either, providing an incisive take on the Prequels that resonated with me as well. This was all just a long way of saying thank you, once again.

@JoeLiningToolFilms Жыл бұрын

Your practice of posting high quality, thoughtful videos every couple months is an inspiration

@renderproductions1032 Жыл бұрын

The only other KZfaq channel that has the same upload schedule and content quality as Vsauce! (Keep up the good work.)

@melontusk7358 Жыл бұрын

Zack Snyder is like George Lucas. Everyone praised him for his early works, then criticized him for the more philosophical approach, and now we all want both of them back.

@trequor Жыл бұрын

Yes and no. George Lucas is a infinite font of creativity. Zach almost wholly lacks it

@HappyLarry. Жыл бұрын

That is not at all true lmao

@power279 Жыл бұрын

@@trequor hahaha..yeah..cuz WB nowadays made more than 500 million after Zack left😂

@ashishhembrom3905 Жыл бұрын

No no no. Totally different. George Lucas creativity and simplisitic story never stopped. Zack Synder copy paste comics frame by frame without knowing the context for half of it. For context, the literal copy paste film - The Watchmen.

@HappyLarry. Жыл бұрын

@@ashishhembrom3905 except he didn't even copy and paste half the actual symbolic scenes. For example, when Rorschach leaves a child killer handcuffed in a burning house, with an axe. instead, he just has Rorschach kill him. He's so bad at understanding any form of genuine symbology and philosophy

@mightymurph3949 Жыл бұрын

One thing I love about Snyders movies is that if you take random clips from all his movies and put them together like you did at the end of this video, it seems to create one universe

@szakkaydani Жыл бұрын

Wow I just finished rewatching all of your videos for the 3rd time and realizing sadly that there are still no new videos and thinking you quit and then this masterpiece pops up. What a timing

@GeorgeThoughts Жыл бұрын

Awesome video. So well edited. And OMG you mentioned GUARDIANS!! I was watching the whole video imagining what comment I can make about Guardians, my favorite Snyder film (Ikr) and then bam you put it in at the end. ❤‍🔥🦉

@gaudbodi6985 6 ай бұрын

Beautifully done. As a person who's been preaching the gospel of "Snyder's movies have a DIY interpretation" for years now, I teared up a bit towards the end of this. Thank you for making and sharing this with the world.

@clintmcgann2098 Жыл бұрын

I have been waiting 6 months for your next release and I was not disappointed. I am much less familiar with Snyder than Stars Wars, but your same artistic and clear way of breaking down directors and their vision was as keen as ever. I appreciate how you do not even give an opinion but instead, like Snyder, present a story that allows our own interpretation.

@onemoreminute0543 Жыл бұрын

I do find his work to be highly fascinating for the reasons you listed -it presents us with two sides of the same coin concerning a conflict: - 300: Inspiration or propaganda? - Sucker Punch: Exploitation or empowerment? - Man of Steel: Salvation or destruction?

@pierredufour6164 Жыл бұрын

BvS: fear or faith Army of the Dead: greed or convictions

@TheGeorgeD13 Жыл бұрын

@@pierredufour6164 BvS to me strikes me more of a story about Power. Batman's arc is of a man learning to overcome his own anger over his own powerlessness (powerless to save his parents, powerless to save Robin, powerless to save his employees in Metropolis). As Alfred says to Bruce, "it's the feeling of powerlessness that turns a good man cruel." And that's what has happened to him. Superman, conversely, is confronted about having ultimate power and everyone on Earth having an opinion on what he should do with his power. This is carried over from Man of Steel a bit as his two father have different ideas on how he should use his powers. Even Lex Luthor has an arc related to the notions of power. Obviously, he wants to gain more power and kill the most powerful man in the world, but he also says something quite interesting to Superman, "I figured it out way back. If god is all powerful, then he cannot be all good. If he is all good, then he cannot be all powerful." And he says to Superman when he's on his knees, "and now god bends to my will." Anyway, the film doesn't quite put it all together, but there's interesting ideas that Snyder was going for.

@theendersmirk5851 Жыл бұрын

@@TheGeorgeD13 my main issue with it, more than anything, is just how far he removes the characters from what their usual use case is, in that sense. Superman is, fundamentally, an accusation leveled at everyone who has ever used the excuse of "power corrupts" to explain a moral failing, as he is virtually all powerful, yet he still tries to help people instead of exploit them. Batman is a combination between dealing with trauma, and trying to use the emotions that trauma caused to help prevent others from feeling that same trauma. And Lex is a description of greedy, corrupt businessmen, but unlike most of them, is genuinely smart enough to deserve even a fraction of the wealth they possess. None of the characters Snyder produced touched on those more subtle cornerstones of their characters in a way that felt like he understood those cornerstones, which left them feeling more dark or, in Lex's case, more of a joke, than they more commonly are portrayed, and in a way which does not benefit my, and a decent number of other people's, enjoyment of the characters.

@alexispityris1660 Жыл бұрын

Impeccable work my man! Thank you for commiting to low volume and excellent quality!

@BboyYoutubeHandle Жыл бұрын

I was reluctant to watch this as every other Snyder video decides that he’s either the worst or the best and offers nothing of substance more but I’m so glad I watched this as it offered more insight than I could have ever expected

@aidenmohrmann1850 Жыл бұрын

It's funny, the order of the videos you have been making has been tracking almost exactly with the movies I have been watching or thinking about at the time. Always great to hear your insights

@onemoreminute0543 Жыл бұрын

Same. I only finished Snyders DC trilogy for the first time a few months ago

@Jake-im8eq Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t say the Martha scene is clumsy. I think its actually pretty realistic tbh. Bruce goes into shock when he hears that name and then comes to the realization that superman might be more human than he previously thought

@itsvignan Жыл бұрын

Simply put….but correct…people make videos on how batman realizes superman has a human mother all Other bullshit …but this is correct…martha scene serves the purpose of only Kicking his PTSD in. Then he turns little sane and understands that superman maybe is a good person.

@TheOnlyDarkKnight Жыл бұрын

@@itsvignan Not only that but the fact that even when he was about to die, he still worried more about his mother than himself. Batman realized two things, first that Superman was more human and caring than him and second, that he was about to take a childs life away from his mother, the same way that robber took his parents life away.

@VitorHugoOliveiraSousa Жыл бұрын

The clumsy part of this scene is not Batman, is Superman in the brink of being murdered and knowing that in his death his mother will die is worried about his secret identity and pleads the bloodthirsty murder blind by self-righteous rage to save "Martha". Someone that for the perspective of Superman/Clark will be a complete stranger and meaningless women and name to Batman. The only in-fiction explanation to him saying that instead of "Save my mom" or something like that, is that Superman is worried to reveal to Batman who he is, something that makes completely no sense given the context he is in. The out of fiction reason for that, is that Snyder wanted REALLY REALLY bad to drown parallel between both having the same mother name because is something he found out and thought was really clever. The majority of the problems with Snyder films is not intent is execution. There thing about Batman realizing that Superman is more human that he thought could easily be accomplished with a desperate Superman pleading Batman to save his mother. The scene would work and not be ridiculous. Hell you could maybe even salvage the "Martha" thing if you incorporate it in a more substantial dialogue. Like I don't know Superman pleads to save his mother, Batman doesn't wavier so Superman tell's a little anecdotal about his mother in his infancy and mentions her name. Snyder is not a fan of subtly but this sometimes would improve his work greatly.

@beastyyypie Жыл бұрын

@@VitorHugoOliveiraSousa I always took it as Superman giving out as much information as he can to Batman before he kills him. Like if Superman says Save my mom and then dies, Batman would just assume it's another alien or even if he comes to his senses later and trues to save Supes' mom, how would he know who she is?

@stardust761 Жыл бұрын

@@beastyyypie true. Plus Batman's rock-heavy boot was on Superman's throat. It was a struggle for Superman to even get those words out.

@AchanCham_ Жыл бұрын

Awesome video! I was certainly taken aback by the mentioning of the Guardians of Ga'hool. Seemed like it was an incredibly movie that is rarely mentioned nowadays. I look forward to seeing your next video!

@onemoreminute0543 Жыл бұрын

"What is Zack Snyder's Justice League rated R for? I think it's rated R for violence and nudity - no, not nudity. That would be cool" - Zack 'Based' Snyder

@Burialofagod 21 күн бұрын

Cringe

@pyropulseIXXI Жыл бұрын

I greatly enjoyed _300_ and _Sucker Punch._ I also greatly enjoyed the director's cut of _BvS._ And the _Man of Steel._ And _Watchmen._ And _Synder Cut: Justice League._

@UndisputedONE2 Жыл бұрын

i liked all of his movies. they have unique style. He belongs to one of the few whose movies have such a unique style u immideately know whom they belong to... Quentin Tarantino, Christopher Nolan, Zac Snyder...

@hulkhatepunybanner 8 ай бұрын

*Curious. What more intellectual (less flashy) movies did you greatly enjoy?*

@thabreez456 Жыл бұрын

Well at least one thing we can all agree on is how cool it is that every person who worked with Snyder has nothing but praise for him. Both Emily Browning and Gal Gadot were about to leave the acting business but working with Snyder changed their minds

@biguy617 Жыл бұрын

Emily isn’t a good actresses

@thabreez456 Жыл бұрын

@@biguy617 how is this exactly relevant?

@biguy617 Жыл бұрын

@@thabreez456 I always thought that Suckerpunch was the point where Snyder went downhill. I never saw the women in that movie as strong female characters. I saw them as superhero versions of the women from Coyote Ugly and the Spice Girls. They didn’t feel like characters and that is not what I want to see from a female lead movie. I don’t like Movies like Capt Marvel but Suckerpunch wasn’t better either

@FritzyBeat Жыл бұрын

I've never seen any of Snyder's films, but I've heard no shortage of opinions on them, heh. It was really cool hearing you talk about his work~ I hope you'll do more stuff like this in the future, and continue to tackle films and directors and etc outside the Star Wars universe. :)

@kartikadewi3270 Жыл бұрын

I overall recommend the 9 movies he directed Dawn Of the dead unrated cut 300 Watchmen ultimate cut Legends of the guardians Owls Of Gahoole Sucker Punch extended cut Man Of Steel Dawn Of Justice Ultimate edition Justice League 2021 Army Of The Dead

@Era-lk1lo 5 ай бұрын

@@kartikadewi3270Sucker punch and army of the dead were really bad, out of this list I'd recommend 300, Watchmen and man of steel.

@orlandofurioso7329 Жыл бұрын

I love your channel, not only it has s tier content but your relaxing voice and your script makes your videos a relaxing movie lesson.

@culchiefilms1791 Жыл бұрын

Great to see you making videos again. You 100% have the most intelligent, sophisticated and interesting breakdown and analysis videos on the internet. Incredible work! I hope to see more soon

@Cinna316 Жыл бұрын

This is a perfect summation of Snyder's impact on the industry, his films are meant to be divisive and more layered than your typical Blockbuster. It's nice to see an objective view of his work, because as you mentioned, people go way overboard with the hate and serious accusations he receives. Some people push for the narrative that this man is a facist, and that's fucked up, especially when everyone who has worked with him has nothing but nice things to say about him.

@billyboleson2830 Жыл бұрын

Snyders insanely left leaning like what tf

@Cinna316 Жыл бұрын

@@billyboleson2830 Oh I know, but some people like to spread lies

@kingoflebanon1986 Жыл бұрын

@@billyboleson2830 not super left but definetly not right

@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom Жыл бұрын

He's too shallow to be a facist. I think he just love facistic imageries without really much thinking the implication.

@technoempire85 Жыл бұрын

I just love love love that you're branching out to different movies now. Your Star Wars breakdowns were all amazing, and I'm glad you have the freedom to cover whatever you want. You really captured my own feelings on Zack Snyder as a filmmaker. Everything about him is so contradictory yet somehow works, and it works in a way that nobody else could pull off.

@raphael5604 Жыл бұрын

Bravo! Love that you’re interested in snyder’s work ! Can’t wait for the next star wars video though 💙

@caedengoering Жыл бұрын

Snyder’s movies are my absolute favorite. I still haven’t seen Sucker Punch - but I can’t rewatch BvS enough. Ironically, that movie had a very real life example of how this story plays out with WB cutting 30 minutes from the film and two sides completely hating each other without trying to see eye-to-eye. I hated the theatrical version, but I am awestruck by the Ultimate Edition. I have seen that film no less than 15 times and it gets better every rewatch.

@sheadoherty7434 Жыл бұрын

I honestly don't think the ultimate cut is that much better. It's still very shallow

@nalday2534 Жыл бұрын

that trash was compromised since day one. it's a corporately mandated advertisement for the next movies in line

@jewishjellydonut Жыл бұрын

8:32 ish perfectly describes zack's work. it says "eh, why not" to every interpretation. sometimes it gets in the way of the movie, but he wouldnt be zack snyder if he didnt do it

@kadesjunkdrawer2233 Жыл бұрын

Welcome back! I really missed your videos.

@DynestiGTI Жыл бұрын

Amazing video, I'm a big fan of Snyder's films, but even I didn't see some of the things you mentioned! I didn't appreciate 300 and Sucker Punch as much as I probably should have. I have always loved how his movies don't preach or bang a message on to the audience, but rather allow us to choose how we view a scene, and allows for lots to infer, especially BvS.

@Darkseidsolosfiction Жыл бұрын

Snyder made me love superman,he is the reason why I started reading superman comics and loved wholesome superman(all star superman) so without him I would think that Superman is boring

@gianni206 Жыл бұрын

A great take. Snyder’s basically a maker of Rorschach inkblots. Idk if that makes his movies good, but it does make them interesting.

@dylanj.domachowski5369 Жыл бұрын

I have loved snyder much longer than I thought. I never knew he did the Guardians of ga'hoole. That movie is so freaking good. The ending being brothers battling because of their differences. I just remember seeing the imagery and being wowed. Gosh, I know what I'm watching tonight. When it comes to movies if they do not explore ideas, they're not doing their jobs. I appreciate the thinkers and ones willing to discuss ideas. If you could not create a video that is two minutes or less discussing the general concept and idea of a movie and think wow "I should watch that" the movie sucks.

@psychfi4995 Жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more.

@soldier50first Жыл бұрын

I always hated what he did with ga’hoole

@Tyler_W Жыл бұрын

I don't necessarily agree with your last sentence (fully support everything else). Take the movie Locke, for example (I bring it up because I just saw it). It's literally just about a guy driving through evening traffic and making phone calls as he tries to salvage his life and deal with the consequences of a big mistake on a buskness trip. Granted, Tom Hardy is a great actor, and it probably would have failed with a lesser performer, but it was actually really captivating. As a general rule, I completely agree. I usually need a sales pitch of a compelling premise to get me to care about checking something out, but there are definitely a fair amount of examples where the premise itself isn't all that, and it's still done really well. Even things with a very well trod and even an over done premise can be done so well that the fact its similar to so many other things doesn't matter.

@obamalol7221 Жыл бұрын

thank you for making an honest and unbiased analysis on snyder

@theatom7912 Жыл бұрын

Martha scene is breaking down Batman’s idea that Superman was an alien/god that was detached from humanity. When Superman was about to die his only plea was for him to save his mother. It wasn’t the name Martha that spared Superman but Lois Lane explaining that it is “His Mother”. In the scene you see that Bruce becomes more aggressive after hearing Martha but drops the spear when he realizes he was wrong about Superman. Batman was a villain in BvS that blamed Superman for what happened in Metropolis. Blame it on PTSD or Survivors guilt, it’s definitely a different take on Batman.

@user-xx6vy9ri8p Жыл бұрын

Batman wasn't wrong though, Superman really did a bad job at saving Metropolis, he didn't try to lure aliens away from city. This scene doesn't work because Superman calls his mother by name for some reason and because Batman already killed criminals punisher style, who had families too. This wouldn't stop him.

@ParagonSlayer0 Жыл бұрын

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p try to lure zod away from the city? How would Clark do that? Zod already said he would kill every human. If Clark left, Zod would start doing just that.

@user-xx6vy9ri8p Жыл бұрын

@@ParagonSlayer0 Not the finale. The battle in Smalville starts from Clark slamming Zod through factory and gas station because he threatened his mother on the farm (leaving mom with 3 other aliens, instead of just taking her and flying away). Which results in Faora and other guy coming for Zod and fighting Clark in the town. Or when Zod throws a gas truck at him, he dodges it instead of catching, which results in explosion of a building. I get that it barely matter on the grand scale of destruction, but it's not how a true hero should act.

@ParagonSlayer0 Жыл бұрын

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p it’s literally his first day on the job. The point is he still has a lot to learn and acts before thinking. This was all on service of the overall character arc for him through the five movie arc that was planned. Maybe that’s not “how a true hero should act”, but the movies focus is on Superman the person, a fallible, human character. He doesn’t know the right answer all the time, he’s not perfect.

@user-xx6vy9ri8p Жыл бұрын

@@ParagonSlayer0 I know. But they should have addressed the tragedy of people dying more clear. Maybe that's why he screams after killing Zod? Doesn't seem so. I expected him to be grown as a hero over the movies, but in ZSJL he is even more cruel and reckless. JL2017 did better job.

@teleportedbreadfor3days Жыл бұрын

Suckerpunch was definitely anime inspired. So if things are a little off, like in the combat scenarios, yeah that’s why. Anime can be quite crazy

@user-xx6vy9ri8p Жыл бұрын

@Skeksorist If only he integrated a good story in it...

@teleportedbreadfor3days Жыл бұрын

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p Like he doesn’t make good stories, which shouldn’t be questioned as he definitely does

@user-xx6vy9ri8p Жыл бұрын

@@teleportedbreadfor3days He is good at adapting someone else's stories, but bad at writing his own.

@dylansmith5206 Жыл бұрын

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p Plus made to where Sucker Punch was colourful instead of it being too damn dark and grey. And made it less depressing. Also. He sucks at adapting other stories (Snyder sucks ass as a director, Plain and simple)

@biguy617 Жыл бұрын

It is Snyder porn

@pierredufour6164 Жыл бұрын

Great video, I think this may become one of my favourite video essay channel honestly.

@JosueTheBigot Жыл бұрын

Does anyone care what critics think, anymore?

@RewMec226 Жыл бұрын

AMAZING FILM REVIEW! Finally a critic who understands Snyder’s style of storytelling. Also in a time where movies and entertainment is constantly preaching to us and telling us what to think, this essay GETS why I love him as a filmmaker/ storyteller. His film always stir interesting debates which is something that can’t be said about most of Hollywood’s Directors.

@zoranvujovic998 Жыл бұрын

Some of my favorite movies are Watchmen, Sucker Punch, 300, Man of Steel. Shame on me for never realizing those movies have one thing in common, Zack Snyder. And after watching this video, it's pretty darn obvious. The way narrative is told and the cinematography. Pick a random timestamp from any of those, take a screenshot, and odds are you'll get a really cool desktop background. You made me make a decision to re watch every Snyder movie. Owl thing will be a new one for me. Big thanks, big like and a new sub. Keep up the great work

@WL1264 11 ай бұрын

Ew sucker punch

@TaurusWitch29 5 ай бұрын

I friggin love suckerpunch

@tomasmugicamoreno8499 Жыл бұрын

It is finally here! Thanks for posting, your channel is so underrated 👍👍

@Leitis_Fella Жыл бұрын

300 was written from the perspective of a witness to the battle of Thermopylae, and explorers in ancient times were known for exaggerating things they saw on their travels. Not only that, the story is deliberately embellished to hype up the other Greek city-states to fight the Persians.

@SoUncivilized414 Жыл бұрын

Yep, exactly. It's very much in the spirit of what it's showing.

@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Жыл бұрын

@@SoUncivilized414 the problem when we see him telling the story...... All the Greeks are still shirtless and not wearing their historical armor. Xerxes is still seen as a monster not the zorrastian bearded king he was. Making it that yes all the things told was true

@MakiPcr Жыл бұрын

@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl that's the problem with visual storytelling, we tend to take for granted what we see, without making the biased perspective explicit we have no reason to believe it's not accurate. If Snyder really meant this to be biased, he failed (also it would've help not to make the villains more feminine and queer coded than the heroes, or make the heroes explicitly queer; homophia really undermines the argument that this isn't conservative propaganda)

@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Жыл бұрын

Film is a visual medium. It's entirely dependent on visuals to communicate the story. And my point is when we pan out and see for ourselves the one eyed soldier telling us his story........ 5he visuals we are greeted with is that All of the Greeks are still shirtless and with out their historical armor. Xerxes is still a monster not the zorrastian bearded king he is. All of this despite we are no longer seeing the story through the one eye of that soldier.

@trademarkshelton Жыл бұрын

This was your first video I've watched that analyzed movies I (mostly) hadn't seen myself, and I want to say, it was still fascinating, entertaining, and thought provoking. So now you and I have some evidence that I didn't like all your previous stuff just because I'm a glutton for Star Wars. Nice work!

@Antidoxy Жыл бұрын

I sure know Snyder isn't perfect and has some writing and executing problems, but I love his depth and symbolism and how his movies aren't following Hollywoods philosophy of only money. His movies are art that does exactly what it's supposed to do: split the opinions and tastes of the people. And pitifully the mainstream isn't on board.

@user-mx4is4fx3c Жыл бұрын

But he only wrote like two of his films.

@brucewayne8158 Жыл бұрын

@@user-mx4is4fx3c he wrote the Snyder cut

@user-mx4is4fx3c Жыл бұрын

@@brucewayne8158 No, Chris Terrio did. He did help with the story but the script was written by Terrio

@brucewayne8158 Жыл бұрын

@@user-mx4is4fx3c A screenplay has to follow a story blueprint. Snyder most definitely wrote the treatment. Terrio definitely followed Snyder’s structure.

@user-mx4is4fx3c Жыл бұрын

@@brucewayne8158 While that's undeniably true, if you look at interviews it's clear that Terrio had a lot of input. And in general when people criticize writing usually they do on how the script communicates the blueprint. And that's on the writer

@1ukey Жыл бұрын

Happy to see my favorite video essayist getting sponsors lol. Great video as always!

@temite80 Жыл бұрын

I like Snyder's films. Good video! Thanks!

@CRAZYMUGMAN Жыл бұрын

i really hate that idiots bash synder for no reason, he is just a director that loves his job and puts alot of passion and care into his projects. it's like what happened with george lucas. diffrence is that lucas was only being bashed by false star wars fans, synder was being bashed by the wb and false dc fans.

@paddy9738 Жыл бұрын

I feel like not including Dawn of the Dead takes away from Snyders obvious stylistic touches that he's built on with every subsequent film. A lot can be seen in it that he refined later, it's almost bizarre.

@TheGeorgeD13 Жыл бұрын

Both of his zombie films are outliers in terms of thematic interest though. They're not really about the shapes of narratives, especially mythical narratives, like his other movies very clearly are.

@paddy9738 Жыл бұрын

@@TheGeorgeD13 Yes and his first film also showcases a lot of the presentation and close up slow motion shots he uses later in basically everything he continued to make. That's what I meant by style, the certain something that lets me know I'm watching a Zach Snyder film.

@shonenbag6478 Жыл бұрын

That incredible insight with that purposeful editing! Your analysis never fails to inspire!

@onemoreminute0543 Жыл бұрын

I do find it interesting that Snyder's next big project, Rebel Moon, is going to apparently be influenced by Star Wars to a large extent

@onemoreminute0543 Жыл бұрын

@Darth Doofus Really? I didn't know that Snyder actually draws from the same stuff that inspired Lucas. Stuff like Hidden Fortress I presume? But yeah I agree, it will be highly intriguing to see what Snyder comes out with for his next project due to these influences.

@onemoreminute0543 Жыл бұрын

@Darth Doofus Makes sense. I do now actually recall Style is Substance mentioning how he was watching Seven Samurai and Twitter got really mad at him lol. So he has always had an appreciation for those types of artists.

@DaRunningMan Жыл бұрын

"Snyder's next big project, Rebel Moon, is going to apparently be influenced by Star Wars to a large extent" The reason is because the project was originally convinced by Snyder to be a Star Wars movie. After Disney bought Lucasfilm, they invited filmmakers to come and pitch them ideas for movies in the Star Wars universe they wanted to make. Snyder was one of the people who had a meeting and pitched them a Star Wars concept that was described as 7 Samurai meets Star Wars. Disney turned the idea down so Snyder just took it and reworked it by taking all of the Star War connections out and turning it into an original IP.

@k13kk Жыл бұрын

@@DaRunningMan I came to write this, so thank you. It is Snyder's rejected Star Wars idea.

@teo-pc8yx Жыл бұрын

You just gained a new sub GREAT VIDEO 😁

@Biosynthnut Жыл бұрын

Zack is kinda of a thinking man's movie? If that's what I'm interpreting. I really do enjoy his DC stuff. It doesn't come off as "Goofy" like Marvel. I enjoy most them also. I'd love to see what Zack would do with Spawn.

@cagneybillingsley2165 Жыл бұрын

yeah lost me there. because zack snyder is such poop people like to adopt contrarian positions to be original

@kartikadewi3270 Жыл бұрын

@@cagneybillingsley2165 poop is good though. So zack snyder is good.

@rosysulla Жыл бұрын

Also! Gotta mention. The title is really clever and ironic. I almost didnt click on it bc yt Snyder takes r so dull and redundant, but your Anti- Sequel one that I watched first made me consider what u had to say. Took only a few seconds to let go of that instinctual barrier I have to put on when searching for anything mos/bvs. The title makes me laugh now. Great job!

@SevSFull Жыл бұрын

Very interesting and well though, the quality your video never fail to amaze me

@jackpackage4278 Жыл бұрын

People are completely oblivious about 300 i swear. First of all it’s based on the graphic novel first, not historical accuracy. Secondly, the reason there are strange monsters and giant elephants and such is because of who narrates the story throughout the movie. The guy missing an eye, like most other Greeks have never seen or heard of much outside of Greece. When he describes the elephants to his soldiers he’s doing it from the perspective of someone who had never seen/heard of elephants before. To the Greeks the elephants are giant and monstrous because they’re new, and this goes for everything that is portrayed as monstrous. It’s all exaggerated because it’s a story being retold by someone.

@orlandofurioso7329 10 ай бұрын

Fun fact, tha elephant part is historically accurate since Pirrus beat the romans in Benevento because they were afraid of elephants.

@DavidBehlman Жыл бұрын

Sucker Punch blew me when I finally watched it last year. It revealed to me that there was a lot more to Snyder than I thought. I wish he'd do another completely original idea.

@RedDevilAxel 11 ай бұрын

Trust me, Rebel Moon will blow you away.

@DavidBehlman 11 ай бұрын

Oh cool. No trailers!

@sunsetman22 8 ай бұрын

@@RedDevilAxeleagerly waiting for that one, so far it looks like a doozy!

@thierrymarcotte8745 Жыл бұрын

17:57 « Snyder seems less interested in telling you what to think, than to give you things to think about ». It’s what defines a storyteller, as Brandon Sanderson said in The Way of Kings. Powerful quote, perfectly used here in this video !

@wgolyoko Жыл бұрын

Hey, just wanted to pay tribute to the great work you in pacing this stuff. Lots of movies to go through without repeating yourself. Top job ;)

@chuck_muckle Жыл бұрын

Love the channel

@SamTheComicMan Жыл бұрын

Another layer to the onion that is sucker punch, the whole thing feels like him going back to homebase, in the sense that he started out doing music videos and the whole movie feels like if a music video was 2 hours.

@benjharper267 Жыл бұрын

This is an underrated channel. You make some of the best video essays. Keep it up!

@LeoxandarMagnus Жыл бұрын

I remember watching Guardians of Ga’Hoole in theaters after my sister and I had read the books. I need to see it again.

@FlameMammoth Жыл бұрын

I feel like despite some clunky delivery and a clumsy attempt to introduce the Justic League, BvS was an absolutely underrated masterpiece.

@cubesolver64 Жыл бұрын

Will you be making a video or videos on "Rebel Moon" when part 1 and/or part 2 come out? Sense "Rebel Moon" was originally a "Star Wars" pitch of his.

@ThundersonMusic Жыл бұрын

This was great. The calm, concise perspective of this channel is not just persuasive but eye-opening. Thank you for this!

@mariasessh Жыл бұрын

Love! Worth the wait! ❤️

@WakeUpUniverse66 Жыл бұрын

*"In the world of the blind the one-eyed man is king."*

@residentgrigo4701 Жыл бұрын

#RestoreTheSnyderVerse and #ReleaseTheSnyderPunch. That is all.

@Lultschful Жыл бұрын

I have a problem with a statement like "critics couldn't decide if it was good or not," based on an average rating. The truth is more that some liked it and some didn't. A lack of consensus among critics doesn't mean they were undecided. It just means the opinions of several individual critics weren't agreeing on whether it was good or bad. I doubt any of those critics wrote or said "I don't know if this was good or bad." That nitpick aside, great video!

@LeThunderGoat Жыл бұрын

This essay is just perfect. Thank you!

@onemoreminute0543 Жыл бұрын

Your comment about the womens sexuality in Sucker Punch being both exploitative and empowering reminds me of what the Worms Hole said about how many women in nerd culture portray this dual nature. Like with Wonder Woman or any other female comic book character - are they feminist icons or just there to titillate the senses? Both can be true. Snyder is taking that point and extrapolating it onto women in culture as a whole. Throughout history, their bodies have been preyed upon and exploited by men, but have also served as an empowering tool to get by in society.

@madjangler Жыл бұрын

I was somewhat reluctant to be convinced, but I can see Snyder from a new perspective now. I think you could do a follow up, though, because I think he reveals more of himself than you give him credit for, in the way he presents both these dichotomies themselves, and the respective sides of them.

@coinful Жыл бұрын

Honestly been waiting for a video for so long, keep up the good work

@mikeoppart Жыл бұрын

This was brilliant!!! The best art always asks questions rather than provide answers. Great stuff!

@Hk-ox4bb Жыл бұрын

Glad you make this, shows you can competently speak of movies aside from Star wars and your analysis is on point Personally I don’t like BvS but I like Snyder, he keeps is dreams but isn’t an ass to those who dislike him which is too rare in Hollywood Again, congrats for the vid

@kartikadewi3270 Жыл бұрын

Well , I hope you can enjoy the ultimate Edition after a month.

@kartikadewi3270 Жыл бұрын

Well, have you tried the ultimate Edition??

@jojomusicnerd Жыл бұрын

wow what an intro.

@sev0vii735 Жыл бұрын

man you are a master piece, love your work you do this kinds of videos of anime like hxh a story thats to well put for a naked eye to understand fully...

@ajthemoneyking Жыл бұрын

bro the way this guy edits his videos.. I absolutely love it.

@keflyn09 Жыл бұрын

When it came to 300 I always thought we were being shown the legend, partly because none of us know the truth of what happened, and partly because few of us actually want to know. As for Suckerpunch, when you actually look at the protagonists, the only innocent among them is the one that leaves/escapes, and each of them comes to the conclusion during their escapades that she is the only one who deserves it. The bus driver at the end, and his face showing in all the fantasy scenes, suggests that there is a supernatural element encouraging them to redeem themselves, and they do so by sacrificing themselves for her, but that's just a pet theory of mine.

@onemoreminute0543 Жыл бұрын

The moment you see the demonic portrayal of the Persians is the moment it should become evident that this part of the story is purposely propagandistic and one sided narratively (within the text) to the Spartans

@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Жыл бұрын

Wrong. We know many historical facts about battle of thermoploy and the Greeks there. Please don't twist the facts

@keflyn09 Жыл бұрын

@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl I wasn't aware that there were any neutral records of the matter. I know there are accounts but the odds that they aren't slanted one way or another is slim, and for the matter, details have been lost. Facts on matters this long ago are best guesses. What facts were I twisting because I was stating opinions?

@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Жыл бұрын

@@keflyn09 you are trying to present this battle as some how a mystery. When in reality it is on of the most documented battles in all of ancient world.. Using written records like herodotus and archeology we can establish many facts about the battle and tactics used and numbers.

@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Жыл бұрын

@@keflyn09 the facts about the Greek side of things is actually very clear.

@EmotionlessCabbage Жыл бұрын

As someone who loves Sucker Punch, it always saddens me how it was torn apart. It really suffered from the execs trying to force it into a teen rating. A lot of context (darker themes) were removed from the realities closer to the real world. I know we got the extended cut, but I would have loved to have seen the movie if it wasn't made to be accessible by a broader age range.

@ndo533 6 ай бұрын

I hope snyder can release his directors cut one day

@TaurusWitch29 5 ай бұрын

Same

@bemasaberwyn55 Жыл бұрын

The only gripe that I have about your video is that you did not include his directorial debut which was the 2004 remake of Dawn of the Dead. I bring that one up because much like his later films there is some divisive qualities about Dawn of the Dead. Such as Zach having a character who is basically a stand-in for what would be considered an alt-right personality who survives to the end of the movie meanwhile the one character who claims to be a gay former chior boy is killed. But also like his later films it is one hell of a ride that very much calls upon the tropes of the zombie genre and was part of this new wave of zombie films that included films like 28 days and 28 weeks later. That being said I am glad that you did not neglect Legend of the Guardians. Or the other major films in his filmography such as his comic efforts and Sucker Punch( since I'm pretty sure that the graphic novel which 300 is based off of was actually published by Dark Horse or vertigo which if my memory serves are DC properties there for they fall within the Warner purview of the DC rights) . Speaking frankly I am one of those people that you reference in the video who likes how substantive Zack's work is. How his films are layered with narratives that speak Beyond just simply what's on the screen. And to that end I have very much been of the belief especially in recent years since ZSJL actually came out, that his work being misinterpreted is very much like the works of Lucas particularly the prequels. And like Lucas while the detractors have been getting more and more fervent in their hatred of anything new, the last bastions of his Creative Vision have gained quite the reputation as misunderstood and over hated. And I've noticed a shift particularly in the lead-up to the release of ZSJL, that shows that there is room and there are fans for that kind of creativity within the Hollywood System. Hell I'd even add the likes of Rian Johnson as well as Lana and Lily Wachowski to the list. And I must say that it is rather gratifying watching people who enjoy their works be able to get the satisfaction of having their intuitions proved correct. And so even though I had the one complaint about your video much like with all of your Star Wars content I am blown away

@HazelTayamora-gx9fr 8 ай бұрын

Amazing work! What I love about Snyder movies is that they’re so thought-provoking and you can rewatch them many times and still find something new every time.

@bilalamir1341 11 ай бұрын

the thing is... EVERYTHIING HE MAKES BECOME A CULT CLASSIC.... WATCHMEN-300-BVS-MOS-JL.... AND TO ME... THAT WHAT MAKES SOMEONE A GOOD STORY TELLER... WRITING A GOOD STORY.... STORY THAT EFECTS DIFFERENT PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY..

@WL1264 11 ай бұрын

DOES THE LAST JEDI COUNT?

@ChucNguyen-yb4bq 15 күн бұрын

@@WL1264TLJ isn't Snyder's film

@WL1264 15 күн бұрын

@@ChucNguyen-yb4bq I know

@ChucNguyen-yb4bq 15 күн бұрын

@@WL1264Then why're you mention it here?

@durjoybarman3380 Жыл бұрын

Sucker punch is a great movie

@sunsetman22 Жыл бұрын

I think BvS contains a lot of callbacks to it. hell, the Knightmare future is reminiscent to some of the dream sequences from Sucker Punch. it starts with narration and a funeral too...

@Onezy05 Жыл бұрын

@@sunsetman22 BVS contains LOTS of references to Snyder's past work which I find very interesting: - The Knightmare sequence, the opening narration, the funeral (Sucker Punch) - The vigilante 'hero' of the story deals his own brand of justice against a criminal seen as degenerate in society (Watchmen) - The 'hero' of the story attempts to make the god king bleed with a spear to the cheek (300) It's through this manner of quoting his previous work that Snyder is able to carry on the themes present and address them in a new context, like Lucas did with his poetry in Star Wars or Coppola did in the Godfather series.

@sunsetman22 8 ай бұрын

@@Onezy05sad part is that most people would rather die than actually recognise Zack as anything other than "trash".

@teddysquid9556 Жыл бұрын

I love how you've branched out beyond just Star Wars, I'd be very interested with what you have to say about many other films and directors.

@quantumplay6374 Жыл бұрын

Well made! Keep up the good work.

@comfortablepod2638 Жыл бұрын

My dawg So Uncivilized is unreal

@Janzer_ Жыл бұрын

i neither love nor hate a dude that directs movies. you have hits, you have misses, and unless you're a creative that has gone through that and been judged by many, you won't understand.

@onemoreminute0543 Жыл бұрын

M.Night Shyamalan is a good example of this. Some really great stuff, but admittedly some quite large hiccups in his career too.

@kartikadewi3270 Жыл бұрын

@@onemoreminute0543 I will be honest, I never got bored of any of his movies, even including Airbender adaptation, after earth, glass, Old, The Village, The Visit, The Happening. All of his movies in my opinion are subjectively just as enjoyable as the good, bad and the ugly movie, perfectly pure entertainment.

@Ludochris Жыл бұрын

I love your video essays, your tone of voice, editing, and use of music. It engages me in a way that most KZfaqrs cannot. I'm so glad you're getting promoted for your hard work!