Something I feel a lot of people miss is the fact that with this quest, mihoyo finally managed to turn another main character into an unreliable narrator, as is their trademark writing style. The Traveller, up until now, has always been an infallible witness, capable of remembering _everything_ , no matter the circumstance. You can think of it like Teyvat being a computer and the Traveller is the user: even if the computer’s AI (Nahida as the Avatar of Irminsul) deletes and overwrites a file (like when the memory of Rukkhadevata was deleted and overwritten with a new history), the user is outside of the computer, watching, and will remember the deleted files regardless of the efforts of the AI. Now, with this quest, we had a chance to see the Traveller _forget_ due to memory manipulation. The collapsing of a Realm of Consciousness should NOT have tampered with their memory, since with the deletion of Rukkhadevata, so did _her_ RoC disappear, and yet the Traveller still remembers all that happened. This shows that the Loom of Fate exists and manipulates at a dimension higher than not only Irminsul but also the Descenders. If the computer exists at, say, 3 dimensions (2 spatial + time), and the user at 4D (3 spatial + time), then the Loom of Fate must operate at _least_ at 5D, if not higher. The Abyss Order knows this but the Traveller… has forgotten, so they don’t know this. Thus, anything that happens from here on out has the shadow of doubt cast on whether it _actually_ happened as shown or has been tampered with by the Loom. Personally, I doubt they’ll abuse this fact but will instead wait to lull the players into a false sense of security so that everyone forgets this terrifying fact until it becomes most important and we might even just be a little too late. Or not, maybe it’s a red herring and the Traveller will be just fine :) mihoyo is a company of wholesome, heart-warming stories, after all :)

Makes sense why Dain is so heartbroken about the traveler's sister. She betrayed him and sided with the abyss, much like his brother and those in power in Khanrieah

I just remembered nahida told us that someone super powerful might have messed with the abyss sibling's constellation. With the 5 sinners name dropped in this quest I feel like it might be one of them who did it. I also have a long suspicion that teyvat is actually their homeland, rebuilded. The twins existed from the time far before even the sovereign dragons. But this is just my baseless theory haha.

Even tho the Loom of Fate cannot rewrite or destroy existing leylines, it may be the only weaver of fate remaining after Dottore burns Irminsul

I have some interesting thoughts in my head. 1. The Abyss Order might target the Seven Dragon Sovereigns next. Since the loom of fate can affect the Ley Lines, elemental dragons can also affect Ley Lines, and the fact that the Seven Sovereigns are the most powerful elemental dragons in the world, maybe they're gonna become targets next. 2. I wonder if the sibling will have a darker apperance to match the Abyss. 3. What are Zhongli and Venti hiding from us? 4. I think the Sibling was meant to rule Teyvat but the Abyss Order and the sinners got to them and now the Traveler has to take up as Teyvat's new ruler

I wonder; How long will it be until the MC’s Twin realizes that they are nothing more than a Pawn in the hands of the Khaenrhi’ahns? When will they begin to fight back? Will they fight back?

This quest's appeal scales with the person's knowledge of the lore

Here’s a general lore theory of something that might be common knowledge, but I’ve never heard mentioned. I think the two things you need to control the fate of Teyvat are a God and a Sword of Reason (usually a descender). Since the beginning of the game, the Fatui and the Abyss have both been working on God creation in the background. Hell, it’s the entire reason cited in the pale flame set for Dottore being recruited to the Fatui. Contrast the attempt to corrupt and control Osial with Balladeer as the God of Wisdom. Both of these were just prototypes, though. Meanwhile, both sides are also working on constructing their own “Sword of Reason”. The Abyss needs forged one by making the loom of fate, meanwhile the Fatui are gathering the pieces of a descender - probably for the purpose of forging their own. Narzissenkreuz attempted the same thing. Gods collect the will/worship of their people, and he was attempting to entirely subsume the people of Fontaine. Once that was completed, he would have been a God (in the process of forging his own Sword of Reason.) This was the only way he saw to escape fate - being able to rewrite it. Lends some credence to all the theories suggesting Paimon is a god (who knows which one though, lol). Because that would give us both a descender and a God in our faction as well.

I think the Loom was always supposed to be completed, because it will be required later on when a certain doctor will do something evil and bring disaster. Also, remember that only a descender can fully utilize the Loom of Fate, and I don't think Khaenri'ah's plan to revive the 3rd will work(if that even is their plan), leaving Aether the only one capable of saving Teyvat.

given what dain says "you must defeat me to save her and rewrite fate yourself". This could mean that all these factions want to rewrite fate for their own reasons. So the traveller will likely have to remove all these factions 1 sinner at a time to get to the point where dain says these words. The big factions we know of are The hexenzirkel(gold), the abyss order(verdofnir), The fatui (?), The archons(?). With a possibility some of the big 5 are working together or may have even perished.

Is it only me but IMO personally, your voice is so soothing and well suited to recite or read a whole story book. You are naturally gifted in this one. Thank you for the content.❤

As much as I have issues with the way the story was told in this interlude, I do think the information about the Sinners is going to be extremely important going forward. With each passing nation I see more and more people flock to "the Heavenly Principles are the real enemy, not the Fatui or Abyss Order"... and I really, really can't agree - if anything, I think that would be the more predictable answer, given Celestia is the only major player we've never interacted with directly aside from the intro scene. With the information we have up until now, it seems that unless Forbidden Knowledge is involved, the HP seem pretty okay with most "rebellions" against it (such as allowing King Deshret's nation to exist despite him refusing a Gnosis outright, or being fine with Orobashi basically leading his own nation until he found the forbidden book, plus Khaenri'ah itself, which was a godless nation to begin with). So while the factions seeking to dethrone might have good intentions (keyword might), I'm pretty sure it's gonna end up doing more harm than good. So where do the Sinners come into play? Well, we do have that teaser of the seven nation that ends with Dain implying we'll need to fight him at some point. I think the last few arcs are going to pit us against the Sinners one by one, ending with the Twilight Sword himself. They will be the final enemies of the game, not the HP. As a last sidenote, didn't people datamine 5 unused elements with placeholder data in the game during Fontaine? Maybe the Khaenri'ah arc could last longer than we originally thought.

i left this comment on a few videos after the bedtime story quest came out cause i wanna see what others think.... I wonder if…… aether and lumine’s original home world…… is teyvat? but they just don’t recognize it? their home world was destroyed, but lumine “belongs to THIS world”, and we know the primordial one came and basically destroyed the original teyvat and rewrote it… the twins also wanted to find a place where the flower from their now-destroyed home world grows, and at the end of lumine’s journey through the rewritten teyvat, she found the place, on this “new” world. there are the theories that the new teyvat is a dream, and the “forbidden knowledge” that its denizens cannot understand is that the real teyvat is actually destroyed and they’re now living in a fake dream world. when apep ate deshret and absorbed his knowledge, all she could see was death and destruction and wasteland, as if she was peering outside of the dream and seeing the “truth of the world”, but it was so jarring that she cannot understand and it just causes her pain. the truth breaks down the dream, which causes all the adverse effects we’ve seen in game (withering, eleazar, etc). if i remember correctly, lumine also refused to link up with aether because he has not yet reached the end of his journey and learned the truth that she learned at the end of hers. maybe she hates the heavenly principles and she is determined to fight this war by any means necessary, because at the end of her journey when she found the sea of inteyvats, she realized that this is actually her original home world, but the heavenly principles destroyed it and trapped everyone in a dream/samsara to cover up the truth, and to have control over everyone. so now lumine is determined to fight for her homeland, and is waiting for aether to finish his journey, learn the truth, and understand why she has “taken it this far”, in the hopes that he will see where she’s coming from and join her. I COULD ALSO just be COMPLETELY wrong and missing a bunch of details, but that’s the theory that popped into my head when she mentioned the sea of flowers!!!!!

I know they are brother and sister, but I have always hated the way the abyss sibling acts towards the MC. It's abundantly clear that the MC is almost moved to tears whenever they see each other, but the abyss sibling just acts like they could care less about them (with maybe the exception in this quest?). Maybe it's just a body language thing to me, but the abyss sibling just seems like they aren't really reciprocating the same level of care towards the MC and I hate that. That's all 😅

I don't think I've ever seen anyone talk about Rhinedottir and how she is apparently a welcome member of the Hexenzirkel. We think they must be okay because Klee's mom is part of it, and Klee's mom loves Klee. But you gotta wonder. Just what are they doing? Who are the 4 men we've seen in drawings of the Hexenzirkel (4 women and what looks to be 4 male figures)?

I enjoyed this a lot. Your voice is very pleasant to listen to!

i wonder what party will succeed in the end, my bet is that everyone will fail or lose to hp and it will be the duty of our reunited twins to bring down celestia

loved this quest a lot, it was actually really dynamic, I was tuned in fro each and every line of it which doesn't happen often with my easy to get bored mind

I like how you speak and how you structure your narratives. It's easy to listen to compared to other lore content creators You deserve more subs

Recently found your channel. Your videos are top notch.

Ok I have to point this out. The Heavenly Principles and The Sustainer Of Heavenly Principles are two different entities. I think it’s important to point out that when Lumine asks the god who she is, the god says SUSTAINER of heavenly principles, she doesn’t say she is the heavenly principles herself. The meaning of sustainer means someone who upholds or supports something. So by name, The Sustainer of Heavenly Principles supports the actual HP but isn’t the actual HP herself. Also. Lumine says the HP has been(I think she said sleep or something since the cataclysm) but if that’s case how did she attack the twins? The Sustainer and The HP are different gods altogether. Nahida mentioned when The Heavenly Principles changed the fate of the twins. I think the Heavenly Principles ordered the Sustainer to go after the twins. I also think that the actual Heavenly Principles ordered the Sustainer to destroy Khaenri’ah instead of doing it himself/herself. The Heavenly Principles also waged war against the Seven Sovereigns and stole elemental authority to give to the Archons and that probably took away an indescribable amount of power for The Heavenly Principles to do something on that scale and then regarding the Archon War and the Cataclysm in Khaenri’ah, The HP probably still didn’t have the power to directly intervene which would also tie into why he/she sent the sustainer to Khaenri’ah in the first place. We barely scratched the surface on who The Heavenly Principles are let alone their powers but we have a small grasp of what The Sustainer of Heavenly Principles are capable of because those dark swarms of red cubes that she used against the twins were the same ones that were seen when Khaenri’ah met its unfortunate end which leads me to believe that it was in fact The Sustainer of Heavenly Principles who attacked Khaenri’ah because in the time between its destruction and the twins getting attacked by her, The Heavenly Principles would’ve still been sleep and at this point The Heavenly Principles has been asleep for way longer than 500 years because we don’t know how much time has passed since the destruction of Khaenri’ah

But what do you think is the meaning of asleep? What does it mean that the heavenly principle is 'ASLEEP'?

Except the 5 sinners name and the power of loom of fate there is nothing much about lore or any questions left like other Dainsleif quest do. Honestly in my opinion this archon quest is pretty much simple just like a bedtime story.

Ive always compared the twin you pick to King Arthur and your abyss sibling to Mordred, with good reason. Those unfamiliar, Mordred and Arthur eventually fought each other with their respective holy blades. Some versions this was instant killed for both. While in others Mordred was killed by Arthur but severely injured by Mordred. Arthur was taken to Avalon rest and said to return when world needed him again most. Guess that'd make Dainslief our Merlin or something i guess? Lmao 😂

I don't trust abyss because of Peiro. Since he doesn't trust the sages, then they are not trustworthy.

I wonder how many times our memory was tampered with - after all Cariber says that this is the last time it is used. I think there were instances in the story where we get a similar headache - usually with us either remembering something or seeing something.

Several fields/"seas" of flowers interspersed in the lore...

I love your accent. Are you from th Caribbean too? I love your concise lore videos too 😊😊

You have such a soothing voice ❤

what if paimon is the key to wake up the heavenly principle

On a meta level, can a Descender wield power on par with the Loom of Fate? Say…wish that the companions they had met joined them on their journey across Teyvat??

i’m still stuck on the shriveled seed we find in the chasm as pimon tells us she has a story about it but never brought it up since

Loved this quest, even though it broke me.

Celestia did nothing wrong

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I kinda hate that this quest is super short and mostly uneventful. I miss the first Dain quest we had where we had to fight for our life trying to escape and enter that domain and fight our first Abyss Lector.

Paimon has to be Celestia man...

Is it possible that the Fatui will burn the Irminsul to effectively blind Celestia from dictating fate? Then somehow the abyss will utilize this to create their own Leylines and be left uncorrected since theoriginal leylines from irminsul is deleted or some sort?

I'm curious how powerful this loom of fate ? Why traveler affected by memory erasure, we know traveler is a Descender.

I don't get why there are only five sinners. Hoyo has by now established that the natural selection of the Imaginary tree, whichever form it takes, manifests in twelve instances. Whether it's the Herrschers, both in GGZ and HI3, or Sentinels from Acheron's world. No matter how you look at it, the sinners, who have taken the power of the Abyss, are the "manifestation" of that selective force, an analog of Herrschers. So, why aren't there seven more?

What is the difference between greater lord and caribert in terms of our memories?

i cared about 4.7 and then i stopped caring about the rest of it forever i am now free, fuck your "and it was all a dream that u forgot" bullshit

The "heavenly principles" are asleep because she's literally Paimon....