Have you ever used this strategy vs a highly aggressive player? Also, check out my other new video on the advanced bluffing technique I use: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nrSEbMyeksXalH0.html

Best to be clear that this isn't something you should be doing very often, just once in every 30 hands or so, to let them know you are not going to be run over, and be careful to only do this in a heads up situation, don't get caught between the LAG and a third tight player still to call after you. I see some people try to bluff catch holding a sub standard hand themselves, you want to make sure you have some reasonable showdown value yourself or look for a better spot.

poker is like chess, takes a minute to learn and it takes a life time to master

Villain played his hand well, especially having the J of spades. It's probably one of his best bluff candidates on the river. Good bluff catch!

So scary to play this way...I've got a long way to to!

I imagined playing my friend in this position. I tried to figure out which hands he could possibly have, and I decided that he would definitely play this way with queen jack. When your opponent showed queen jack I was so fucking proud of my read. I know it's kinda logical, but still a confidence booster.

Just had this type in my table today. Called his triple barrels in two separate occasions. Won both :)

Yes. It was kind of helpful. A hero should always imagine his equity against the enemy range and compare it with the equity required to call. And then mAke the decision with his hands. However, it is frustrating to see a hand better time after time. Because enemies adapt to such call downs. Well, just go for it!

I'd love to see this being explained in a live online match rather than on a practice program😊

He had an open ended nut straight draw. You could have gotten annihilated. Then again, if he does that too many times against the wrong players he will be in the poor house fast. Scary!

Anything change if this was a full table 6 players?

He is absolutely right that players at the lowest level, like in 1c/2c , online is right. You kind of need to use a HUD to find worse players, like with a High VPIP, anything 30 and above I would say make sure you have a large enough sample, some say 100, in ACR, most havent played even 100 hands. So maybe with these guys, you might get an. inkling if they are tight, loose if you look at minimum 10 hands. If the hands played are low, play it safe with 10 hands, then look at hud stats for these folks. In a best possible world the hand might narrow down the table to just one guy with worse numbers then you at least :).

I think Its only an acceptable play if you know with certainty that villain is overbluffing hard in those spots,like making that 3rd barrel with all his missdraw combos and not selecting specific ones,and than maybe it could be an acceptable call on the river.

Tough for me going all the way with third pair, simply because lm not here yet l suppose. With your lessons l think it’ll help me get there.

i like your videos and examples much better than the other chanels it comes across more understandable and easier to apply. the examples you give with context really helps me understand when to use these things.

If you make a light call like this, do you tighten up a bit for the next dozen hands on the theory that villain will remember this hand and be less likely to bomb into you with nothing?

Excellent example. I know we are supposed to think in ranges but to quickly rule out the worst Is it correct that on the Flop there is roughly a 24% chance he potentially has a T or K? And what would be the odds he has a Flush draw on the Flop? Would it be approx 32%? If he had a Flush draw on the Flop and didn't know you had 8 of Spades would it be a approx 16% chance of hitting it?

Just make sure to get CONFIRMATION that they are actually this kind of very loose player. Too many people see one or two crazy hands and think "wow this guys' a maniac". You have to get A LOT more confirmation than that or you are likely to start spewing chips.

Thanks for this video. I always struggle against players like this, so this video helped a lot. Keep up the good work. :D

I think a different hand might be a better example because QJ with the J of spades is such a must bluff there, it doesn't tell us much about whether our opponent is really getting out of line or not.

Calling them down when bricks hit. Got it I’m advanced now

I remember back in 2006 when I learned what a cbet was I thought I found the secret to life

​ @mitchav12 He had a nice hand... it just didn't improve.... I would rephrase your question (and maybe Nate could answer) to "how would it possible to distinguish between LAG play when they have something and when they don't... if just he had higher pair we would loose... Are there slight deviations LAG something vs nothing... any clues to watch out for.... Thank you

literally watched this as I waited and trapped an aggressive player. AQ suited, call his monster raise, flop AJT rainbow, he goes all in, I call, he flips AK

I owned a guy the other day who was overly aggressive. I even called him with Ace high on his over bet shove of about 200 dollars into a 90 dollar pot. He just set his cards down, got up and left without saying a word 🤣🤣🤣

Well, lucky he didnt shove on the river, that would be rather tricky. The fact he just bet didnt persuade me, hence i would call. 3rd (4th) barell not being all in after the opponent flat called already without rise 2x (actually 3x with pre flop raise) looks weak. Good bluff catch, nice vid. Thanks

I had a hand against a maniac today. Hero opens QsJh from the CO. Maniac in the BB calls. Flop 8s2s2d. Hero cbets 1/3. Maniac checkraises. Hero 3bets small with total air. Maniac folds. The classic checkraise reping nothing on a board where his range is completely crushed :)

Hi Nathan, wanted to let you know that playing your strategy against aggressive players worked very well for me today. I let him bury himself and cleaned him out. Thanks for the great advice.

Villain kind of looks like a draw trying to “cheap bluff” with that 1/2 pot out of position bet on that ts kc 4c flop.

Why not raise pre? You said it yourself, his 31 Is more like 40-50 in SB vs BB. Maybe he calls, then checks, and you can rep a K

Are you serious? You can fold on the flop and lose $1.75. At the river you can only beat a bluff; you're even losing to pocket 6s if he were so dumb as to raise with them and keep pumping. Look at the board, you're losing to more hands than you beat. Far better either to fold to the pre-flop raise or fold on the flop when you don't hit a set.

I play against a guy like this in a home game I play in every weekend.. very aggressive and plays about 90 percent of his hands ..

Good concepts. But what does it matter that the table is 4-handed when it comes down to blind vs blind? In other words what does it matter how many players folded to get a battle of the blinds?

This isn’t gto advice at all. Even if this player is aggressive he gets to be triple barreling off on this board texture because he has a nut advantage. This is a - EV call down. IF you were to call down it would be better to have a Ten in your hand with a kicker that some what blocks Kx Also 88 is a poor choice bc it has 2 outs to improve. I usually love your content Nathan. But this video respectfully needs some fine tuning. Aggressive players also have it sometimes too.

Didn't you say in other videos not to call so much in order to win more in poker?

I think what would have been helpful is a hand you would have folded. This vid just said, call it to the river if nothing hard is on the board. This thought process is what every semi adept player is thinking, so I didnt find too much enlightening about this one.

Hey BlackRain79. First off thanks so much for all the great videos. I play at Bovada and on average I see players with VPIP of 30-35, PFR 25-35, AF 2-4. I know VPIP of 40 or higher is good play against but what about these 30+ players, are they considered LAGs?

One big problem ive had for about 6-8 games is folding a winning hand usually cause someone bets a lot pre flop or I fold pre flop cause of a bad hand like 38o and it's just not worth the risk to lose a big stack. I've become a better player after watching alot of videos and realizing the depth of the game.

Shouldn 't HUDs have a dynamic set of stats that filters our hands that are from different positions. Maybe not all spots, but at least, SB, BB, Early, Mid and late position as well as first in pot vs pots where the villain is not the first player in.

Thanks Nathan I needed this 👍

F3B and CB stat would be nice ... to see how much bluffs he do.

Excellent video. Sometimes you're the hero and sometimes you're the heel.

What if he goes all in on the River to get you out? Seems risky to lose heaps of money on pocket 8's.

As of Nov 22, which HUD is allowable on PokerStars? I was using EQLabs and got a warning on my account.

Thanks for the video.

really great explanation

Villain should have emptied the clip by overbetting river. He has range and nut advantage here as he can have all sorts of strong flushes that the BB likely can't have like AsKs,AsQs,AsJs, KsJs, QsJs, Js9s. Plus he can have sets that BB can't have like KK and likely TT and he has Aces as well, which even puts Kx in a tough spot. I think him going 2/3 pot is a mistske.

I get it... but going into the river, the opponent had 19 outs; so you got extremely lucky that he didn't already have 99+ or complete his draw

On the bubble of a tournament, 4 handed, with a guy having only 4.5BB. A maniac, who is CL who was going all-in pre 3 times with 2-7off and shows. Is now in SB, flats pre. I check my option in BB with Tc8d. Flop 5s8sJh. He bets Pot on flop. I call. Turn Kd. He bets pot again. I call. River 6h. He jams, putting me all-in for a 72% effective bet size. I call. He has QJoff.

Which site you r playing ?

Amazing topic Nathan thanks

Definitely a good call with a blank on the river, if an Ace or other card that completes draws hit do you then fold your 88?

Are pot odds not an issue here as you didn't mention it?

What a great channel! Always good alpha.

So just call call call. Got it.

Check calling down is advanced?

if you played like this in my local casino, you will be down a grand in no time

Thats a lot of words for “be a calling station”

What people often forget: your aggressive opponents might have exactly the hands that they represent… If these aggressive players are really strong there is a high chance that they slow down against the weaker players because the weak players almost HAVE what they represent when they go all the way…

Say the river is a 9, A or spade. Are we just folding the majority of the time?

That is hardly a wining strategy. I would certainly need more insight than just his range to make that play. Making the play to slow down LAP is a good point but you would have to consider losing the pot as an expense to make your point.

How can you play LAG style while still playing VPIP under 30?

GTO would fold after flop or turn......

We’re was the re-raise to find out we’re you were at?

Regardless of the result of the hand, you are putting too much money into the pot on the turn and setting yourself up on the river.

What if you didn’t have the 8 of spades, and it was an 8 of diamonds?

If the board isn't matching, captain kirk ain't beaming down

The river bet by villain (70%ish) is what would have made me call as well. I read that as villain is trying to push you away from the hand. I’m curious to know if the river bet was in the 30-35% pot size, would you have called as well? If I was the villain, I would’ve made this size of bet to make it seem like I do want a call, which for the most part, works…for me at least. I’m curious to know what you would’ve done with that bet size.

with my luck he would have had a one pair 10s

My hud says im a nutball with 50 vpip and 38 pfr

You didn’t put advanced in “big letters” though! Good content nonetheless. Edit: out -> put

Hey Nathan. You don't do a good enough job of explaining what you mean by putting them on a range. A nit or tight player would be the top 20% of hands. KJsj-AA, But a loose aggressive player has larger range. Which includes a lot of the low cards. This board is mostly low cards. Which is exactly his range. only the K is there that is not in his range. So doesn't hat mean you should have folded? I don't get what you mean about his range. Anyone that sees this and knows, please reply.

Funny, this is exactly how a call station from the small stakes would behave, call all the way to the river. Acting like fish is an advanced strategy? Or this is so smart it goes full circle to being dumb? I'm not sure.

I saw a situation, where the 2 last players showed down with a TWO RIVER SET OF CARDS ?? Kind of like splitting the LOSSES....You need to win BOTH RIVERS or just lose half the pot if you JUST WIN ONE RIVER...??? MAKES NO SENSE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS END PLAY...???

Lower stakes don't bluff people straight forward but those who do know high stakes good to play. Kaiji like death note think and smart protagonist. Don't watch these vids just see how pro's play and logic

so just call like a fish

You know you're so funny but I've got a different question I know I talked a lot about it with you Mr black it's the question you ask a while back and that's is this game rigged? And I got that kind of question today while playing I'm playing $3 full table triple up set and go and I noticed three times in a row same exact way I got to be going all in I understand same way three times in a row it said suck out you know one of them but really question. Appeared to me it was how many times does something have to do at the same way before it's not a coincidence? May I get an answer for that

The way to get these guys' money is exactly to be more passive. If you raise with a medium strngth hand with showdown value, you either knock him off a bluff or he reraises you and you have a tough decision. Keep the pot small and let him hang himself. I see too many guys call the flop and turn only to fold the river. Just terrible. Stick to your guns! Or fold earlier!

what site is this

So value their bets less

I get paid playing against loose and aggressive players. I seek tables out with those kind of players.

SMH. You need to max raise those 8s or fold.

Hold up. He would be playing like this if he had KQ though.

Very lucky as for where I play they usually beat me like 8 out of 10

i dont think this is a good example to show especially for an educational video. of course it depends on how wide ranges are vs this specific player. but his hand in this spot is a totally legimit tripple barrel which means it didnt show that he is bluffing too much here. however your call down is very questionable in generall and especially when spade hits the turn its way to wide in my opinion. you have a ton of Kx and Tx and flushes as well in your range. my estimate here is that he needs to start turning weak made hands into bluffs or at least tripple barrels gutshots and weaker draws to make this call reasonable. If he is the kind of player who bluffs too much, of course he would also bluff his best bluffs. But then again why not show a hand where its clear. this hand villain played perfectly fine and you got lucky for stationing down. if he opens around 40% of hands he has 44 combinations of flushes and sets vs 16 cobinations of QJ .

I don’t get the strategy against the aggressive players you are talking about . You mean, keep on calling them through the hand dealt? So, the strategy is to call? Is this an analysis or a strategy video? Why do you call your video a strategy? Strategy is a set of rules. Your rule is to call? Very shady thinking…

This is a good strategy. Takes intestinal fortitude. They could have 9's

Math says it's a he.

IF that was poker stars every single time they have it

6 minutes in.. and nothing

sorry but these guys never never fold

This is the perfect recipe for going broke, no matter what kind of player you’re playing against. He didn’t hit his set and keeps calling with two overcards and a flush draw on the board? Really? This is pure gambling.

Easy to make this video after you already saw the result😂😂😂😜😜😜

WPN will ban you for using it. I asked directly via email and I don't think the pro has been playing micro in the past decade. i think most of your content is outdated

“He… or she”… or THEY… LOL!

Theres no need for me to struggle. My existence is completely centered on delivering food, and saving money. They should not get aggressive with anybody. That's just good life advise.

Man , im sorry but I couldn’t finish your video , because you talk so much with lots of deep and unnecessary details , you are repeating yourself. need to summarise your speech . I lost 4 minutes from my life

Advanced strategy - Be a calling station. Noted

No wonder this guy can’t move up stakes 😂😂😂😂 his strategies are literally the weirdest I’ve ever seen this might work on 2nl but anywhere else you will get exploited and get your Ass handed to you

I have no idea why you show up on my feed but you aren't a winning poker player and you know it.