imagine if they just thickened the phone to match the cameras and put a bigger battery and cooling into it

Because apparently manufacturers decided that customers want thin phones and manufacturing an expensive glass back with a large bump to make the rest of the phone thinner is apparently more important than making it thicker and filling the rest of the space with battery

the thing about the glass back requiring a case which then covers the glass back, removing the point of it, IS AMAZING. thank you for this

hes not complaining at all I dont understand why people are saying he is, because he literally said multiple times that hes not complaining

now I really appreciate the google pixel's symmetrical camera thing, it passes the desk test :)

That _"What you doing???"_ in the elevator is golden lmao!

Scandalous. This isn't lazy at all. This took effort. I was lied to! Alas, as someone who's been using iPhones since the 3G, I fully echo your sentiment. The 5S was my favourite, and while I appreciate the larger screens, the camera bump and the easily breakable materials infuriate me.

posy you are a man after my own heart, everytime i handle a glass phone i want to scream "WHY" as all the prettyness of it is lost in the required cheap plastic case

I’m not complaining, either, but Apple’s limited options and impractical, unsustainable choices make me want to scream as well. 😅

Your point about the nice but breakable back, therefore needing a case to stop it being broken, is so PERFECTLY made

I was hoping the smartphone industry would have moved to optical zoom lenses using folded optics by now, so we would only really need one lens, but that was not to be apparently

This is why the pixel's camera bar is nice

I love the barely contained rage over these silly design choices, thank you for being a voice of rage and reason for us all! 😉

Old Casio scientific calculators from the 80s and 90s used to have a wedge-shape; thicker at the top to accomodate the AA battery. I think a similar design for phones would be an interesting solution to the problem of large cameras.

i loved the infinite rise of music and overall tempo to a melting down point

5:24 the way he said "hello apple" got me wheezing 😂😂💀

Seeing this being the first ever video from Posy NOT from his usual "professional documentary" style on his main channel was amazing. It's like hearing that voice that does all the movie trailers going off on a rant and it's amazing.

I love the way my pixel 6 handles the camera bump issue, it still allows me to use the phone at my desk, while also tilting the phone slightly for a better viewing angle, and doubles as a grip when I'm watching videos for long periods of time.

Wide angle lens is a godsend when you're trying to get everything into a picture but can't get further back. Not great for filming, but awesome for getting a picture where you just need to document the whole space. Which is exactly what I want my phone to be- a tool with maximum flexibility for when I need something "good enough". Which incidentally is also why I don't use an iPhone....

I went through a very similar upgrade path. Went from an SE to the 13 Mini, which is the biggest that I'd want a phone to be. I would have waited for a 15 Mini with USB-C, but since they already discontinued the Mini for the 14, I jumped on a 13 Mini during a Black Friday deal last year. If they made a phone in the same form factor as the 5 with smaller bezels (though I'd prefer slim top and bottom bezels to a notch), USB-C, and slightly better battery life (though it would be difficult given the size constraints), I'd buy it instantly.

I agree the 5 and 5SE were wonderful. Now using a 13 mini but had some time with the X in between and I do miss the close-up camera. It’s a shame they don’t design for practicality anymore. Not complaining either though!

"You are placing it wrong!" 😂

I'd love to see your treatment of the credit card-sized unihertz jelly star. It's terribly small and often nearly unusable due to app design being for larger screens, but this is my favorite phone. It passes the table test and is reminiscent of early novelty smartphones.

If you want a camera that is in a line, get a Google Pixel, you won't regret it :) There at least the bump makes a bit more sense because the lens needs to move for stabilisation, but apple uses sensor shift so unless the space is needed for focusing, there is not much point there. Other manufacturers have always messed up Android with their own poorly implemented changes and it also come a long way.

I’m actually a very big fan of wide angle front facing cameras, mainly because it’s really hard to get a selfie to include my sports wheelchair otherwise. It’s blue! It’s curvy! I coordinate my outfits with it! I want that part to be visible. I can imagine most people who aren’t using a wheelchair, or maybe trying to take a similar sort of bicycle selfie, probably will never have any use for it. Also that lens definitely looks much wider than the ones I had on the Pixel 3 and the iPhone 12 mini. Those ones were more than sufficient, this one seems maybe a little excessive - I would probably crop in on those photos. I suppose it might be handy to have the choice after the fact rather than having to do it all in the framing, though.

when i heard the music in the beginning i just knew it was your music, the way your voice blended in naturally with your sound as if it was supposed to be damn that was satisfying

The M35 was my first cellphone as well. It was water-resistant too, the two parts of the clamshell had a silicone gasket between them, so did the battery cover.

I completely agree that the 5, 5S, and SE 1 were the best iPhones and generally smartphone form factors to exist. My parents have had a 5 and a 5S, so I've kept those and also acquired a cheap SE just recently. I'm trying to make them as useable as possible, with the 5 running useably with jailbreak to make apps work and look a little nicer, everything except the camera works, which both mysteriously died on 5 and 5S until my 5S front came back alive. 5S still runs most modern apps as it's got iOS 12. SE needs repairs, don't know what but I may try to use it as parts for the 5S.

Your first problem was expecting intelligent design from Apple.

have you considered looking into the recent Google Pixel phones? they do have quite a large camera bump, but they're designed into a bar so it passes the desk task pretty well for my use cases

The nice advantage of the wide angle camera is that on newer models it’s basically a macro lens that can focus on anything

Watching this on an SE (the original one, I should clarify, not the new model with the same name) and totally agree. So many decisions that phone companies make baffle me.

I hear you. For all these reasons I am still stuck with a 64GB first gen SE.

@5:08 So true! 😅 What's the point of designing something to be pretty if you're only going to make it imperative to have it covered up and not let people admire it.

love the music and the visuals, great video!

lol the ultra-wide camera section had me laughing hard hahaha 😂 keep up the great work 😊

I used an SE until around 6 months ago, and I replaced the battery with an aftermarket one to keep the battery life usable. I chose a pixel, it was cheap ($450 for 256gb unlocked) and many features just work best for me

i especially feel the case thing. phones nowadays look so good but all we see is cheapo plastic rubber stuff that protects them. i just don't use a case, i'll take the risk.

lol this was good. And funny. I feel your pain and was amused at the same time. Great video

2:41 I totally agree I still use it as a backup

You can just feel the genuine happiness an iPhone can bring its user

Please please, make a full episode with the 4:24 miss B voice :) PS. we know exactly what are you doing with the fancy LCD !

Bro said “the last good small smartphone” and earned all of our likes. Give this man the respect he earned

Thanks for pointing the issue!

Samsung xcover 6 pro. It is perfect for you, removable plastic back cover. Passes desk test. Has full ip68 waterproofing and mil810H certification. The battery is also removable. Only issue is the phone is a bit larger but its really good.

5:14 NGL, I'd subscribe to Angry Posy 😂

2:16 "The front glass sticks out. So drop it and break it.. very easily." Something funny about a foreign sounding voice speaking English but making total sense!

The "What are you doing?" hit me hard. I know that tone all too well.

The lumpy cameras are funny and on every phone now, even my cheapo pixel 4a. Case manufactures must be very pleased with this trend!

Oh, din't know you have a 2nd channel. Today youtube SUDENLY sugested me this video. And I completely agree about things in the mobile industry. Phones get BIGGER, more expensive and with less features. I had to carefully search for my current phone, which have a headphone jack, and microSD slot. Also without a hole in the screen and reasonable size. It was pretty hard I'd say. Also there's a chinese company called Unihertz, they making a powerful smartphone with 3" screen. Opposite extreme side, lol. But someday I might get it actually.

Thanks for covering that topic, i also hate this extra bump

4:55 I lost it there 💀LOL

And thats why I just bought my first Sony. It's plastic, so super light, with jack output. Got 3 cameras : 80° main, 120° ultra wide, and 43° telephoto lens with x2 zoom for 350€. With a case, the cameras are flush, tho it's no Pixel phone. If you really have money, look into Sony's premium phones, the camera and software is insane for a phone.

3:23 My iPhone 12 Mini passes the desk test, because I keep it in a case, which makes the back almost completely flat. Also, I recommend using soft cases instead of hard cases like the ones you showed, because soft cases protect the phone way better. mine protects the front screen as well, since it pops out a few millimeters above the screen height

1:41 Ah, the Galaxy S (10)! My second smartphone. I started on an iPhone 3G in 2007, then 3 years later got a GS1 in 2010. I've been on Android ever sense. Don't forget to mention that the top mounted micro usb charge port had a sliding dust cover!

“What are you doing” in the elevator made me chuckle 🤭

3:45 whoaaa man i thought you are HIM for a second

I think that it's never a bad thing to complain about a problem, as long as one doesn't stop at the surface of a problem but digs deeper... I agree that almost every modern product has some really idiotic design flaws, most of which are dictated by greed, rushed designs, poor QA and prototype testing, but most of all, because nowadays product features are no longer something that the designers and engineers have thought and implemented, but are instead something that the marketing team decided was necessary because the consumers want it, the problem is that consumers are idiots, they don't know what they need and want... everyone wants more battery life, more features, more memory, better cameras, but they want a thinner phone... but a thinner phone can't have what previously said, so the engineers have to make compromises, and then people complain, but they won't buy a thicker phone (and by "thicker" I mean a phone that is as thick as a normal phone with a camera bulge, but all flat, so it's not thin all but where the camera is but is flat and thick as the camera is)... because they're stupid... I see the same stupid designs in laptop PCs, desktop PCs, TVs, cameras, cars... companies are forced to make products with features that make said products sell more but don't make them better. PS: there's also the planned obsolescence topic that one could discuss (as you talked about the battery dying), but that's a whole other world...

I think the real reason for bulged cameras is that manufacturers saw that practically everyone uses a phone case, so the might as well use the camera cutout’s thickness to improve the camera.

Thank you for being you Posy! I totally agree with you! A lot of people think bigger is better, so Apple slapped big o' lens covers on there!

I don't think Steve Jobs would have allowed the camera bump. Notice they only appeared after he was gone.

That's how I've got my phone bended, because of the DARN CAMERA!!!

"what are you doing?" 🤣

I use the original SE and 12 mini. The mini has a lens that protrudes but not as hideous as the newer phones (the apple silicone case makes it flat on the back so it doesn't wobble on a table)

The way i smiled the whole Video throug out just bcs you pointed out that the Mini Form factor was absolutely the best... imo the XS was the last nice sized phone, not too big, not too small! But lets be honest, the SE 1st gen was a king at its Job!

You may find they need that extra z space for the autofocusing system, the actual lens can actuate forwards a bit over a millimetre from its resting position.

i get your point ,i also don't like when camera protrudes far than the phone but that thickness is required for the optical image stabilization to work . so if you need a phone with no protruding cam you would either not have optical image stabilization or a thicker phone that matches with the thickness of the camera bump also imagine if you have 3 cameras in your phone but only one camera protrudes out, it would not look so good so they make it all same size and thickness

Ultra Wide Lens helps me at work when i dont have enough clearance to take a necessary photo in full view. Like server racks. Inventory. Rows of equipment. Pipes. Etc.

I had the iPhone 5s, 6plus, X and iPhone 13 Pro. I broke the iPhone 13 Pro, purchased a 13 mini for temporary use, while the 15 Pro was launched in a couple of weeks. I later bought the iPhone 15 Pro, liked the 13 mini, then sent the iPhone 15 Pro back and kept the mini.

My two cents: I like nice feeling materials on a phone … I always disliked Samsungs old plastic phones but yeah I do see why that would be advantageous. However I also don’t have cases on my phone usually or only when I’ve already had the phone for a number of years to give it a fresh feel (if that makes sense to anyone but me xD) Also not all plastic is equal. There were a number of nice phones back in the day that were plastic but had a nice feel to them (Samsung was not one of them). I would however like to return to phones that don’t bump as much on a desk … I know thin phones feel better in the hand for most people but at least make it symmetrical then as pointed out.

i was happy with the wide angle camera since I was able to take pictures of the whole room and not taking 4 separate instead.

This is fricking art

Loved the closet section! I remember everybody loved ultrawide cameras for some reason because more cameras = better, I guess? Also, I watched a video recently about a new Canon technology that will allow flat cameras on phones again!

Ok, looking at your personality, posy I HIGHY recommend you Dbrand and jerryrigeverything’s see through case. It’s just perfect for you …looking into stuff yk…just a suggestion tho

I really wanna see the first cut now

the progression of phones you had was almost the exact same as my dad, it’s so interesting to see that!

For the Camera(s) It is because manufacturers wanted to keep phones thin (but not too thin, because of things like the iPhone 6 snapping in half easily), however you can't really make the camera's thinner while still looking better You see, phone optical sensors get bigger and bigger as time goes on, and because of that, the lenses for the cameras to gain focus needs to be bigger, or else it would be a blurry mess. think of it like a normal DSLR, when there is no lens, there is no focus, however when you put the lens on you immediately can see a clear image (if you have the correct focus setting turned on You may say "then why not put an old camera in the phone instead?" it's because old cameras have lower quality, especially when you need to do things like low light photos. Old phone camera's are usually grainy (with the effect being amplified at low light) because they add a lot of artificial brightness to "make the image more visible" which degrades image quality For the back case: The thing is, just like what you said manufacturers could go back to the old case design, which also means that in the process would allow for things like replaceable batteries again! However it's because companies want you to spend money on repairs and replacement units. And also they want their phones to feel "premium", which is why there are so much glass and fancy metals at the back and sides of the phone, instead of the cheap plastic that everyone used to use

Pro tip. Go with Motorola. Stop wasting your time with Apple. I promise you, Android has improved a lot since your first one, and you'll love the gesture operations. Chop like an axe to turn on the flash light. Twist like a motorcycle handle to pull up the camera.

Omg I had the same first phone and I loved it.. which Siemens was it?

thanks, you made my day

Pixel 8 and Galaxy Note 9 not complain

3:18 Bro went from SE straight to iPhone 13 💀

You sound like the Narrator from the Stanley Parable. Love it! Keep up the good work!

I love that you have exactly the same issues I have: too large phones, useless cameras, no choices and an ugly camera bump that assumes I will always use a case. When the phone is ALREADY TOO BIG

Damn, you have a very similar phone history as me with exactly the same complaints! The iPhone SE was truly peak phone and I am still sad I had to switch to the iPhone 13 mini. The ultra mega wide angle is also beyond useless. You just know they went with wide and ultrawide so that people have to upgrade to the more expensive phone to get the actually useful other lens, the telephoto. I constantly want to take pictures of things somewhat far away but straight up never in the ultrawide realm. And having to have a case so your phone doesn‘t wobble when you put it on your desk is just frustrating, I seriously can‘t understand how the designers thought this was good. Do they never put their phone on their desk while working?

For the camera to be good there needs to be space for proper lens optics. The notch is levelled when a case is added. Its a tough but necessary compromise.

The truth is that they want you to break your phone, so they can repair it. I had 5S for 7-8 years or something. It has some scratches here and there, but it's in pretty good shape, I didn't repair it a single time and I have never shattered any of the glasses. Now I have 14 Pro and guess what... I somehow (I didn't drop or throw it, no one was sitting on it or anything and it even had a casing on all of the time) managed to damage all of three lenses on the back while only exploiting it for 4-5 months. That's extra funny considering that I am pretty cautious guy when it comes to devices.

I yearn for the days that a smartphone had that screen protecting ridge, a swappable battery (swapping the battery was faster and less of a hassle than carrying around a powerbank or a charger) and a normal size that fits in one hand.

Get a Fairphone!

with bigger image sensors comes bigger and fatter lenses to direct the light, if you want something that passes the "desk test" then get a google pixel.

Thank you for this video. I feel so satisfied watching this. Knowing that there's someone having the same fustration. Why? Why? Why??

The camera lenses defintely cannot be any thinner. The technology that manufacturers are able to pack into such a thin profile is absolutely incredible! I totaly get your point, my iPhone 13 Pro is also hard to use on table without case. Therefore the only possible solution is to make the phone thicker (and also heavier), which most of customers dont want. Most of them put on case anyway to protect the glass from shattering and scratching. So I get your points, but believe me, there are logical explanations to why the phones are the way they are today...

The cameras do, unfortunately, have to be that way. In order to produce higher image quality, sensor sizes and lens sizes must increase. Once you increase beyond a point, you need to start having focusing mechanisms to move the glass to keep things in focus. Then if you have that, you may as well have image stabilization (which they do, quite impressively too), and now the newest phones even have mechanical zooms, which ups the size even more. Plus, it isn't like there is much major innovation with smartphones these days. They use old processors, old displays, old software updates. The only thing that tends to improve year over year is the camera size and quality. Without bigger bumps, they just don't sell. Should they be better incorporated and designed? 1000000%. Apple is perhaps the worst offender, second only to whatever collab Xiaomi and Leica have going on. But it isn't without purpose.

📱📱📱After using about 25 different phones for the last 20 years I must say, that Nokia N-8 and Iphone SE 2016 were the best of them!!!!

my compliemtns to you sir, who boght the original problem and subsidised it

This guy's like a human version of Papyrus

Why buy an iPhone in the first place? That's what I'd like to know lmao

I still use a blackberry Curve. None of the side buttons are even there anymore, but that's okay, I don't use them anyway. Given that I work at a machienshop, I opted to fill the voids with clear setting epoxy. It kind of got out of hand, and as a result, I accidentally made my whole not-so-smart phone completely waterproof. I kind of enjoty the fact that people with phone's later than mine were complaining about 3G shutting down, yet here I am, happily calling on the true GSM standard, all because of the fact that ambulances still use it for comms. Once that goes, I will have to actually start using a phone with a touchscreen. Or maybe I DIY myself one of those hipster phones with a radial dial on it.

The sliding one, I had a similar which got a dead speaker after a while. I was during a trip, about 1000km from home when it happened, but back then phones had normal, human-friendly philips screws so I could disassemble and verify and then noticed it had a flex cable ripping. Design was functional, but obsolescence was planned.

Loving your aggressively polite aggressiveness!!