This is definitely the forgotten type!! I agree that Wide +Long +Round women can look so powerful and alluring. I think sometimes women can feel lost or maybe even ashamed of their height and width AND curve because they need to accommodate each attribute. But taking the time to learn your strengths and dress for them is very liberating!

This is me!! When I first discovered Kibbe, I was convinced that I must have been SD because of my bust... later on, when I finally understood what exactly Kibbe meant by 'width' and seeing which kind of clothes looked better on me, I realized I'm a FN. I just didn't see it before because most of the examples people give for FNs are models, who tend to be quite flat-chested😅 I've handled it by combining aspects of SDs and FNs and I'm pretty happy with my current wardrobe, but I'm thrilled you've made a video about this! Your channel is a gem and I adore your insights❤

Ellie, I can't thank you enough. I struggle to categorize myself between FN, SD and SN and I also received different opinions from others. You made me understand that if I follow elongated lines, softness on the shoulders and emphasis on shapes/waistline I will always know which outfit suits me and which doesn't.

[ slaps pre-order button ] I'm not sure which part I'm more excited for... reading your book, or loaning it to all of my friends to evangelize these style systems. So proud of you!

ELLIE! Your straight and layered hair looks 🤩 very chic and almost even more ethereal feeling. I felt like your features stood out more and your face got brighter.

I think Megan thee stallion is another good celebrity example of this body type. Thanks for the video!

Finally! Love the out of the box styling for those of us that are struggling with the eternal question: Am I a curvy hourglass FN or a SD with width?

I think I'm this type. My go to-is a long mermaid skirt that's tight through the waist and hips and flared at the bottom (although they're not in style at all and nearly impossible to find). I couldn't decide between SD or FN. Loose, baggy, bohemian clothes look shapeless and terrible on me, but the "T" shape Kibbe recommends for SD's doesn't work, either. I landed on SD because even though I have wide shoulders, my rib cage is very narrow and I have a small waist and very round hips and upper thighs. So that's not really FN at all. I definitely need open necklines and flared hems, with very clear waist definition in between.

If Madelaine is reading this: Girl, you are the blueprint! Goals! 🙌

Ellie, you’re absolutely producing the best content this summer! I am getting the impression, that you’re getting better and better at what you do. You go girl! 🎉

Curvier fn here too. So glad you did this one. Thanks!

I just wanted to let you know that I really appreciate what you did. I see so many women with this body type and they often don't feel accepted in the fashion industry. My cousin is one of those too. She has wide, very straight shoulders, a curvy, very luscious silhouette and a long vertical line. And in terms of Kibbe she has an almost equal combination of both FN and SD features, even in her face. She's not the "cute, girly" type that can look "innocent" or "childlike", that's for sure. Having such a beautifully strong yet curvy bodytype is imho creating a very striking image and yet women of that kind often come across lost and insecure when it comes to styling. At least that's what I experienced. So this body type in your system really closes a gap that should've never been there to begin with. Thank you for including these beautiful women.

Ellie! I know this is off topic, but your hair is the ad read looks amazing! I love the tone of your color and straight but softened texture

Very helpful tips for SD! I was intuitively choosing the right lines all this time but this info definitely helped to clear a few things up!

Yep, it’s me. An SD but can pull off some FN lines, kind of floating in between. Very affirming video. These are a lot of key words I think about while shopping!

Love your straight hair in the ad of the video!! Also, would love the next video to discuss some of the medium types!

Yes!! I’ve been waiting for this!! 😍 I am a flamboyant natural with super broad shoulders but I’ve always been curvier and I have struggled to know how to dress. I am wide long and somewhere between straight and round I think. This was helpful!

As someone who’s wide and round, and 1.65 so not particularly tall, though definitely above average for my country, I was pretty confused about my kibbe type and “settled” on soft natural because of the features I felt more sure about (width and curve). But the celebrity examples for SN always felt like they looked shorter than me. So though I don’t feel like I look that tall, this might be me.

Congratulations on your new book, girl!

I must say I am just DEVOURING your content lately, it's so good! your videos stand out so much and feel like a breath of fresh air compared to others who focus more on trends... never change 💖

Yes! I’ve been noticing how difficult it can be putting summer outfits together for my SD (over 50) body. So many shorts are too short or too straight. Scoop necks and bootcut pants are hard to find. Blazers with no waist definition aren’t great. Cool fabrics can be too stiff or shapeless. Off the shoulder is great (been trying on strapless bras lately to find a good, less thick one) and extra high rise trousers etc work best for me. Thanks for this video and hope you do more!

What an amazing video! For the first time, I recognize my body type and your advice was spot on and very precise. Loved your content, thank you!

This is the best kibbe information yet!❤

Thank you so much for making this video! I've been searching for my body type for so long and thought I might be a soft dramatic or flamboyant natural, but neither felt quite right. The tips from this video fit me so much better and it really gave me an 'aha moment'. I truly appreciate your insight and guidance!

Seeing the "five seconds ago" in this videos timing description amused me XD

the video I've been waiting for!

This is so helpful, I’m busty and broad shouldered and have always felt that the extreme oversized recommendations of the FN aren’t as flattering, but something flowy with moderate waist definition is so much better for me

Love when you discus breaking the lines - it’s so helpful. I get the impression that when we break our lines, it *says* something. Like, the breaking of them is a statement in and of itself, and when it’s contextualized IN your lines, it pops. This channel is very intelligent. Thx.

Love your hair in skillshare episode!

This is me! I never really felt like I fit a SD or FN type. I'm 5'9, and I feel like this is much closer to my body type than any other system. Love it!

This was so helpful thank you!

Thank you for this in-depth analysis! As someone who has been debating SD vs. FN for months now, it felt very validating to hear about wide+long+wide as the forgotten body type and see some celebrities that I've identified with (Hannah Waddingham!). Seeing my body type for what is is has allowed me to come to peace with what makes me unique. I know the reasoning behind why certain things don't make me look my best, but then I can use what I know to find alternate styles that DO make me feel my best. Embrace what makes you unique!

I’m so excited!!! This is for meeee!!!

Okay, unrelated to the theme of the video, but you look SO PRETTY with your hair straight! 😍

thank you, so many examples to illustrate your explanations...keep up your good work. I'll order the book for sure

loved this video!! I would definitely love to hear your thoughts on Wide+Round+Short as well, sort of like soft natural, and how they could accommodate it, most of the celebrity examples I have seen in SN category are usually above 5ft 3 and I have not really seen much advice on how to accommodate wide as well as short in you frame.

I love this video! When I first learned about Kibbe, I loved the idea of honoring both width + curve and felt so at home in SN lines. I've just gradually elongated the lines because I'm on the taller side. Kibbe would consider me FN (I'm 169-170 cm), but something always feels a bit off if I'm wearing FN lines, I need the softness/roundness as well to look my best. I'm so glad you made an entire video about this!

That explains so much!

I was looking forward to this one!! ❤

This is me 💪🏽🙌🏽 struggled for years - this is gold

Thank you so much for this.

THIS 🙌 we are so forgotten! Thank you for this video 💜

This is made for me!! I have NEVER been able to decide between SD and FN and I can’t believe how seen I feel in this video!! 🥰

This hairstyle suits you so well!

Love this! Can’t wait for long, narrow and sharp ❤

Finally! This is amazing thank you for making this ❤. And it is definitely me!!! I think I lean more to SD but I've been confused forever about this because although I have a lot of softness and prominence, I have large wide bones in my body AND I'm 5'11. It all makes sense now :D

Thank youu 😭❤❤❤

Well this is me to a T! And it's really good reassurance that you mentioned hair styles and such because I've been wondering if I'm making the right choice letting my hair grow long and leaving it wild as of late!

I feel so seen!!! I am 5’6 so not quite ‘long’ but people always say they think I’m taller than I am! Honestly have always struggled with my body type and honestly feeling so uncomfortable and restricted when anything was near my neck/or too tight - just felt that it looked so messy on me! This is all making so much sense now. Thank you!!!

Thank you Ellie. I think this is my type and this breakdown was helpful. The pinterest boards are also helpful.

This is exactly my body type and it’s so funny that it confirms what I think looks best on me!

Hi Ellie-Jean! Loved this video & congrats on your new book!! Am definitely Wide + Long. Will you please do a video on Wide + Long + Medium? Thank you!

FN with hips built in! Thanks for this one it really helped! Now that I'm making my wedding dress I know what to look for in the sewing process

This video is wonderful! Thank you for all the tips - from a long, round and shouldery lady! 😅❤

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I’ve been doing a “relaxed diva chic” style with elements of dramatic, natural and romantic or a mix or soft dramatic and flamboyant natural (leaning towards soft dramatic).

Hey Ellie-Jean, I think cutting long face framing bangs up to your chin could look quite cute!

Love this system Ellie! I would love some examples of Narrow+long+round. After watching this I feel like a may land there and feel like it was why the Kibbe system never quite resonated

Ellie, your guidance is so helpful and love how satisfying it feels to buy clothes that are flattering every time I go out to shop!! Can you make a video on how to wear suits for the body types specifically for the more petite types!! I am a flamboyant gamine and love how suits look esp on celebs like Cate Blanchett and her various suits in Ocean's 8 but know it won't flatter my body type like it does on her with the height difference but would love to know how I can draw inspo from dramatic lines for formal wear like that!

would you consider doing a video specifically on dramatic classics and theatrical romantics? I’ve always thought I was a DC but idk if my hips & butt are too “curvy” to be considered one and I figured if I’m not that I must be a TR because I have more angularity in my frame than a pure romantic, I think. love your videos.🤍

Thank you for the breakdown of jargon definitions! Long lines, width, and open really confused me!

This is me! Thank you for covering this, I felt like so many with this body type struggle to find flattering clothes. I do have a question though. What would you recommend for women with this body type when they need to keep their shoulders covered and avoid overly deep necklines for modesty/religious purposes?

What about NARROW + LONG + ROUND? It’s so confusing for me idk what to assign it to. Can anyone help?

THANK YOU! finally I feel seen

Please do a Narrow, Long and around video! ❤ love your videos

This was a great video! I know it’s a lot to ask but as a hijabi I would love if you could cover ways to dress modest but still compliment your body type/essence, especially for those types that are more „sensual“

Okay, but can we give a shout-out to your hair during the ad segment??? It's giving Rachel Green and looks amazing on you 😮

This is the video I needed 20 years ago. I still learned quite a bit. Am I an FN or a SD? Not sure. Probably more FN but, this makes it easier.

Looking forward to seeing the rest of the body matrix varieties . I think I'm narrow , medium , rounded

Thank you❤

It is interesting for me to watch this video. I have wide and round qualities, but I am 5"1' tall with more of a rectangle body and little waist definition, so I do not really read as "long". I gravitate towards many of the same silhouettes and elements when I dress my frame. But I avoid excess fabric volume, especially in the sleeves and around the hips. However a modified version of these looks has always worked for me, along with chunky heels and jewelry!

Did you take down your Dark Fairy video? I loved that one.

Omg I finally realized that this is my body type. 😅

This is definitely me too to an extent except my hip dips always ruin the rounded look of my hips so it makes me question everything

HI! Love this analysis. Definitely fall into this category. Have you ever considered doing styling for pregnancy? I am struggling so much and would love to hear your thoughts. I think I would feel better if I could figure out ways to style myself with my growing bump.

I am short, wide and round my dear. I need that video now. lol

The hard cover is not available for pre-order on India store and I wish it was because I am sure there will be colour references in the book and kindle edition can't do justice to it. Also, thanks for explaining what wide could mean because now I am sure that my shoulders will come under wide to medium.

@elliejeanroyden can we see Wide Short Round?

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Please make a plus size version of this! There was barely any mention, just one small nod to Adele, which is very confusing as this is about Long, Wide & Round bodies! Reference body types like Nigella Lawson, Ashley Graham, Iskra Lawrence, Queen Latifah, Bo Stanley, Hunter McGrady, (the list goes on)... I think you need to make an effort to include plus size (size16+) and tall women (5ft9"+) because this is exactly what this category is! x

Hi! I am a very typical FN-- wide, straight, and long. And I have been watching your channel (and loving it!) for 2 years now. Your descriptions of kibbe terminology really made me understand exactly what my body type is. That being said, as an FN, recommendations for honoring width feel, in my experience practicing them, too literal. I still don't understand why Naturals are pressured to accommodate width throughout their whole frame if the width is only in the upper body. If Kibbe truly means to echo our structure, then why is it "against Kibbe lines" to wear a width accommodating top and more tapered bottoms if Natural bodies are wider at the top and more tapered at the bottom? I understand that other Kibbe concepts like curve, vertical, and petite are present in the entirety of the frame, so they need to be accommodated head to toe. Width seems to be an outlier in that sense. Any clarification on the topic would be helpful! Looking forward to more videos!

I'm trying to decide if im wide or medium I'm 5’9” so i guess that makes me long… & i have more soft rounded features but also not overly lush, so maybe medium lol

Is it possible to have a different top and bottom? I feel I am narrow in my top half ( shoulder point to armpit line and bust) and wide in the bottom half ( hip to waist ratio)?

Love a bit of Jameela Jamil

There is one more kibbe missing link :) the people who sit between SD and (T)R and don't have balance or petite. I'm one of those. I'm 5'5 so medium in length, I have narrow shoulders, but wide(r) curvy hips, but no convincing double curve. I would describe myself as a spoon-shape. In my kibbe journey I found out that waist emphasis, longer narrow lines that curve with my body (are fitted) without being súper duper strechy clingy look very nice on me. I also learned that I have to avoid very short lines, especially cropped tops, and heavy color blocking and/or seperates. This lead me to SD, however I'm nearly not frame dominant enough for SD with my narrow rounded shoulders and it's not that I look tall either- in comparison to my similar height peers that I'm convinced are tall types (I live in the Netherlands, so enough tall people here) I look small (almost petite) and softer (my bones aren't obvious at all, just my flesh), mainly because I lack shoulder and frame. I also have a short torso and am quite narrow on top, except for my round hips and thighs which are wide and very fleshy - again, the spoon type. So then I thought: maybe I'm a romantic without the petite? but then I found that short lines don't agree with me and that the very drapey fabrics work amazing for my bottom half, but not for my upper half, as there is only slight curve to cling to. So I don't think double curve is me either. Balance then? people often put me in SC, I assume because I have a ENC essence and people see that timeless classic old hollywood vibe that they associate with classics. And it would make sense, however the longer lines looking good on me never really convinced me and I also needed more curve accomodation than the regular SC. To give an example: I could never ever fit in some of the pants you can fit in and recommend for SCs, because they'd not accomodate for enough curve for me and some of the sweaters you wear do not have enough waist emphasis and I would drown in them, and yet you look so much more petite than me. I remember a jeansskirt you once recommended, and jeans skirts just are too heavy and boxy on me (and often they hit at the knee, which isn't my best look). I felt both too curvy and too big for SC at the same time. I often wished for a type that was maybe a SDC (this would include having both slight curve ánd slight vertical) or a type that sits in between SD and R. I even concidered SN/curvy FN at some point, because they have both yang ánd yin and wider necklines seemed to work well. I thought maybe my hips could make up for the width, but ultimately I simply just don't have the shoulders to back it up. And the wider necklines were balancing my wider hips, so it makes sense that they looked nice. I was desperate, I guess. In the end I settled for being a curvy SC that leans SD, but I also actually gave it up. I felt like my top half didn't fit my bottom half, like they were 2 seperate types (which doesn't make sense) and it also made me insecure about my hips. At that point the essences were making more sense than kibbe did (E: longer S curves, soft and flowy fabrics, N: structure, and explaining the width in my hips and jawline, C: everything being toned down to be a bit more average) so I ended up working more with those, but I also felt like not having so much freedom there with styling. So now my hopes are with your system! I have hope that maybe you can clear it up. I'm going with narrow/medium/round for now. I know I'm not the only one with this issue. Many debates and discussions have been discussed in the freely kibbe group about this and many people have been through the same kind of journey as I did, before ditching kibbe altogether. Thanks for reading this essay and I hope that you'll concider a video about this missing kibbe type :) (and I you'd like photos to illustrate, I'd happily send you)

I am narrow up top and wide on the bottom. I have vertical and I am very curvy. I go for SD and I just wear shoulder pads etc. The issue is I am a super pear shaped while being a soft dramatic. People normally only think SD are rulers or hour glass shapes. I don't find my body type at all. For the longest time I thought I was a Soft Classic because I had vertical and width and roundness in equal measure. But the lines were wrong, there wasn't enough space for my curves or my width or my actual or perceived height. I have broadness/sharpness/roundness in my lower hip down to my toes. Above my hips are vertical, sharpness and rounded only. Its like a Barbie doll where someone put a soft dramatic on the top and a soft natural on the bottom. In my interest, I have 3 sets of Kibbe outfits etc Soft Natural, Soft dramatic and Soft classic. In addition, I have pear shape, large bust, X with the lower hip being prominent and long torso/short legs outfits.

Hello! I remember you had a video about Dark Fairy essence, which makes a romantic body and gamine face. This video of yours impressed me so much because I've never seen a professional stylist who knows this dark, mysterious style so much. I was thinking about getting a consultation by Ellie-Jean since I've never seen someone as good at explaining this exact style that fits women like Helena Bonham Carter or Christina Ricci so well. Before buying your product I wanted to rewatch this video but didn't find it. So sad! Maybe you don't work with women like that anymore. All in all, hope you will reupload this video. Or can you or someone else who's reading this recommend another creator who talks about the style I love?

What would the soft natural fall into for body matrix

I'm so jelaous of women with wide shoulders, it's not only sexy, but I can't get a bag to hang on my shoulder to save my life.. 😅

This is me, but my face is SUPER ingenue. Everything looks weird on me. Help!

5 ft 7 “ is the average female height in The Netherlands

Is there a video for narrow, long and round?

This is me and I’m 5’3 and 118 lbs

How to honor width for the soft natural with modest necklines?

As someone with a mix of ingenue and gamine essences, plus this body type, getting dressed is a bit of a minefield in terms of what suits me best! I feel like I’m either “dressing for my face” or “dressing for my body”. Like my body shape feels very “womanly” yet my face feels very sweet so it’s hard to harmonise the two. Help!!! Anyone else struggle with this? 😫

Confused! I think this is me, except the wide skirts and dresses look awful and just swamp me - the classic SD advice to avoid them and go for more fitted skirts is the most useful thing I’ve learned from Kibbe. I’m also not sure how to balance the wide/chunky/bold accessories recs for this type and SD, with my style roots (flower is the main one) and essences (classic and ingenue) as they call for smaller scale, more delicate prints and accessories. Am I missing something here or does everything contradict 🥺

I'm wide and round. But I'm 5'4. This Kibbe thing is really not working for me😅. Despite knowing my exact height, people tend to say I'm tall though. Maybe it's my country?

I don't think short dresses will always break the rules! If they're short enough they won't cut off the legline and actually they'll enhance the long legs :)

I feel seen

I feel so seen 😭

I think the forgotten body type is the woman with wide hips - kibbe didn't really give us a place :)