Will God Be All In All?

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The Orthodox Universalist

The Orthodox Universalist

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Biblical Evidence For Universalism: Will God Be All In All?
Does sinning against an infinite God incur an infinite penalty? Is everlasting punishment the only way that God’s holy justice can be satisfied?
To answer these questions, we’ll discuss the following in this video:
Romans chapter 5.
1 Corinthians chapter 15.
Sin and death inherited from Adam.
Sin and death defeated by Christ.
All things being subjected to God.
Christ being subjected to the Father.
Christian Universalism.
The necessity but also the expectation that all people will one day receive Christ.
Learn more about The Orthodox Universalist Channel at orthodoxuniversalist.com.
Discussing Universal salvation. Following the universal King.

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@rubytuby6369
@rubytuby6369 9 ай бұрын
If every knee bows and every tongue confesses that Jesus is Lord. Then at that point every person is a believer. There are no unbelievers left. God is all in all.❤
@orthodoxuniversalist
@orthodoxuniversalist 9 ай бұрын
Good news! 👍
@laylascott6096
@laylascott6096 9 ай бұрын
Yep. There is a big ploy twist coming for many. I think it is by design that this is not revealed to most. God is so clever Plot*
@knowledgeispower2787
@knowledgeispower2787 9 ай бұрын
"You believe that God is one. You do well; *the demons also believe, and shudder."* *"It is **_impossible_** for those who were once enlightened,* and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, *if they fall away, **_to renew them again to repentance,_* since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame." --Hebrews 6
@emilykelly7453
@emilykelly7453 9 ай бұрын
Except we’re told that even believers can fall from grace to the point they can no longer repent… We’re also told that blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable, and that taking the mark is unforgivable. Which shows they are the same sin, and it’s basically mistaking Satan for God. It seems so cruel to me that God will destroy or eternally torment people because they ignorantly mistake Satan for God.
@rubytuby6369
@rubytuby6369 9 ай бұрын
@@emilykelly7453 I believe what they’re losing is a Aionion life not eternal life. Eternal is a bad translation of Aionion which meant in the age to come or of an age. The gospel to the circumcised had to do with the millennial kingdom in the age to come. After the millennial age is the new heaven and new earth age death is abolished, no one is dead anymore. God restores the entire creation, and has total victory. All the works of Satan are destroyed. This is how God can be the savior of everyone, especially believers. 1 Timothy 4:10 To this end we labor and strive, because we have set our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of everyone, and especially of those who believe. 11Command and teach these things.…
@tonydangelo778
@tonydangelo778 2 ай бұрын
“God is infinite but his mercy and grace are so small that the majority of his creation will not receive it.” Totally makes sense.
@ApatiEktetheimenos
@ApatiEktetheimenos 16 күн бұрын
If that was pure sarcasm, Points!!!!!
@Revolver1701
@Revolver1701 6 ай бұрын
A lot of churches oppose universalism because it’s hard to sell religion without fear. I was once asked, “If everyone is Saved then what is the value? Why even bother?” I said, “Well isn’t there at least some value in just living a Christian life?”
@orthodoxuniversalist
@orthodoxuniversalist 6 ай бұрын
Scripture talks a lot about rewards, not just punishment. Christianity shouldn’t be about running from something but about reaching for something - an infinite God!
@Revolver1701
@Revolver1701 6 ай бұрын
@@orthodoxuniversalist good point!
@therealfain
@therealfain 6 ай бұрын
It’s like asking a fireman why he saved everyone in a burning building, if he saved everyone why did he need to go in the burning building at all? You wouldn’t do that to the fireman, but the church does it to Christ
@ptt3975
@ptt3975 4 ай бұрын
It is God‘s goodness that leads us to repentance. It doesn’t say his judgment leads us to repentance. Paying penalties is a very earthly concept, but to be set free when you are yet guilty is a godly concept.
@AquaticDot
@AquaticDot 3 ай бұрын
"If everyone is Saved then what is the value? Why even bother?" I find this question really odd. It's like saying you see no value in Christ at all outside of being able to avoid responsibility for your actions. It really speaks to a sad mindset.
@davidlyons6235
@davidlyons6235 9 ай бұрын
I have come to the point in my faith that unless someone can refute that Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection isn't the plan of God's salvation for all, just as He said He desires, then I can never be persuaded to believe in an outcome falling short of that plan.
@orthodoxuniversalist
@orthodoxuniversalist 9 ай бұрын
Great stuff!
@jonnyw82
@jonnyw82 5 ай бұрын
God is infinite and luckily He isn’t only infinitely just but also infinitely merciful
@elwalker9034
@elwalker9034 8 ай бұрын
I don't have universalist leanings, but I like your delivery and presentation. Good work & thumbs up.
@orthodoxuniversalist
@orthodoxuniversalist 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback!
@mariarubinstein581
@mariarubinstein581 9 ай бұрын
Amen to such a glorious truth!
@jcismyall
@jcismyall 8 ай бұрын
Ask yourself this, as a parent could I hold a sin against my immature, ignorant child for doing what they didn’t know was wrong? Could I as a parent punish forever? How does LOVE keep a record of wrongs? Hint…it doesn’t. Neither does our Creator
@broderickwallis25
@broderickwallis25 10 ай бұрын
Good on you young man.... A dedicated and worthy work your involved in here. I'm a minimalist and don't press buttons willinilli, but you have my subscription.
@orthodoxuniversalist
@orthodoxuniversalist 10 ай бұрын
Thanks a bunch!
@nickjamesb2051
@nickjamesb2051 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for making these videos. Really looking forward to more of the same. Thank you
@thecoopfamily2475
@thecoopfamily2475 10 ай бұрын
Great Video! Love seeing more and more people pop up speaking up for the biblical message of Universal Reconciliation. I'm looking forward to digesting more of your content! keep it up!
@kentglazier454
@kentglazier454 2 ай бұрын
Excellent! Thank you
@biblethumber4008
@biblethumber4008 5 ай бұрын
Good word!
@truthseekers1620
@truthseekers1620 2 күн бұрын
Christ is the savior of all men
@lesteracree1010
@lesteracree1010 10 ай бұрын
True, hence " good news"!
@LanguageBLOX1_Alt
@LanguageBLOX1_Alt 3 ай бұрын
Exactly! It's not, "Good news! Now you know the good news you must follow it or hell..." its just "Good news!"
@ThreeFoldDivision
@ThreeFoldDivision 9 ай бұрын
Punishment or rather correction by God is always purposeful , when something is purposeful the purpose has a beginning and an end [purpose accomplished] . When we understand eonian/eon/eons , we understand punishment/ correction is also for the eons. eonian chastsement and eonian life, means both have a beginning and and end. However for both believers and unbelievers will vecome all in All with God after eonian life (Life in eon 4 :1000y reign, and 5: New heavens and new earth). Believers now in this life have the extra blessing I Timothy 4:10 speaks of : " (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers." , I cor 15:23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence; 24 thereafter the consummation, [of the eons] Once we understand the purpose of the eons and eonian life, things really clear up. God bless you all.
@danielbowden5301
@danielbowden5301 9 ай бұрын
In regard to the idea that sin against an infinite being requires an infinite response, the Bible actually plainly contradicts that. Our sin[and our righteousness] affect Him LESS or does not >directly< affect Him at all, because He is infinite. "Look up at the heavens and see; gaze at the clouds so high above you. If you sin, how does that affect him? If your sins are many, what does that do to him? If you are righteous, what do you give to him, or what does he receive from your hand? Your wickedness only affects humans like yourself, and your righteousness only other people." He certainly does care about sin, but He apparently only cares about it because it affects His vulnerable loved ones[including ourselves since sin can be wrong even when it only affects ourself]. I think it is analogous to punching Superman in the face. It would hurt us but not him and rather than melodramatically being eternally offended, he would probably brush it off or laugh it off, but he would care a lot if someone attacked his loved ones. Silly outfits and such aside, that trope in superhero media does seem pretty analogous to God vs rebellion. The rebelling spirits may or may not know that God can not be directly harmed or overcome by them[I don't recall them ever wittingly trying in Scripture], so they apparently go after His vulnerable creations. It is also analogous to why our sin does not affect God directly[with the exception of sins against God when He was vulnerable in the Incarnation, but even that vulnerability was probably only possible because He was willfully vulnerable]. Our sin only affects finite creatures like ourselves, and God does care when it affects His beloved, but even if/when He opts to be severe in avenging sins against His children, He will not punish offenses against His children to such a degree that His children would be horrified to be avenged. I do not think of it in terms of vengeance though. God wants to set things right and that often involves appropriately severe punishment, but it is not driven by spite or hate for the punished, it flows out of love for those being punished.
@orthodoxuniversalist
@orthodoxuniversalist 9 ай бұрын
I appreciate the superhero analogy. It offers a fresh (to me) parallel that frames the issue in a different light. Thanks for the feedback!
@keitonstahley7471
@keitonstahley7471 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for the great thoughts. One thing! It does affect God due to the people made in His image giving a faulty display of Him to others, God demonstrates time and time again in Scripture His anger at this. And this is due to His desire that all see and know Him. It hurts God to be misportrayed specifically by those who are fortunate to claim His name to those who have yet to know His name. Romans 2:24/Mal.1:11,14 But I think you are right in saying sin does not directly affect God, but yes it does affect Him, His heart.
@danielbowden5301
@danielbowden5301 7 ай бұрын
@@keitonstahley7471 I agree. God cares because He loves us and shares in our suffering that sin causes. That was the point of my superman analogy.
@keitonstahley7471
@keitonstahley7471 7 ай бұрын
Hey Daniel, to clarify: You said "He apparently ONLY cares about it"(sin)"because of his vulnerable loved ones." I disagree. He cares about sin because it defames the very image, or view of God which others may look upon. His name is blasphemed among the heathen. He saves the Israelites in the OT because of His name, NOT because of just caring about them. He cares about both.
@danielbowden5301
@danielbowden5301 7 ай бұрын
@@keitonstahley7471 Upholding His name and His glory is of great importance to Him, but for the sake of others, not for Himself. He doesn't have need or longing for anyone's approval or affirmation. God is perfectly secure and confident. He values His reputation since a bad reputation could make people distrustful of Him to their detriment. I am under the impression that God's "glory" means something like His revealed goodness. If our relationship to God is analogous to marriage, then I would guess that glory would be analogous to attractiveness. I don't think it is purely about us being able to trust Him in this life, I think it must be of eternal benefit and that we will take pleasure in His glory even after we perfectly trust Him. But those are my tentative interpretations, I am open to changing my mind on what glory means.
@MurphyMusicAcademy
@MurphyMusicAcademy 9 ай бұрын
Since infernalists are so fond of parallelisms (an aion of punishment must mean forever because an aion life is forever) it's odd that they missed this one: If a sin against an eternal God is worthy of eternal punishment, why is a good work towards the same God NOT worthy of eternal reward? Of course, they can't say they that, as it would undermine the very concept of faith itself, which the Bible clearly lays out for us. For me, this point alone should reveal just how silly of an argument it is. The infernalist paradigm is completely backwards. Thank you for the great work
@keitonstahley7471
@keitonstahley7471 7 ай бұрын
New argument. The reason we get no reward for doing good is because good is already expected of us. The goodness we do is the reward itself, coupled with the same good returned in our favor. It's better to give than to receive. I don't see logic in your argument. The reason they(infernalists) argue we deserve eternal punishment is due to our offending an infinite almighty God, and we as His creatures don't deserve any reward, but are expected to keep His commands simply bc He told us to, and He made us.
@jhq9064
@jhq9064 Жыл бұрын
According to Calvinism, to justify ECT-man's sinning must be a pause in His sovereignty
@kevinjanghj
@kevinjanghj 10 ай бұрын
Calvin's conception of God is too small and petty.
@therealfain
@therealfain 9 ай бұрын
Does God break his own law? His law never allows for punishment to be without limit. I say this too much but no one gets it.
@downinthecypressswamp2234
@downinthecypressswamp2234 8 ай бұрын
I enjoy your perspective. I would like to know if you have permission from your bishop to do this. Thank you.
@orthodoxuniversalist
@orthodoxuniversalist 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the encouragement. The channel is actually named in honor of Gregory of Nyssa, who was endorsed as the standard of orthodoxy at the second ecumenical council. I am not personally EO, though I have great respect for it.
@downinthecypressswamp2234
@downinthecypressswamp2234 8 ай бұрын
@@orthodoxuniversalist Come on over brother! I used to be Baptist and never will go back. Then you’ll actually be communing with Gregory of Nyssa and Maximus the Confessor.
@dronehomeless
@dronehomeless Ай бұрын
Very good. I like the art behind the text around 17:58. Is that art available online?
@orthodoxuniversalist
@orthodoxuniversalist Ай бұрын
A lot of the art I use is AI-generated. I like to use pieces from Albrecht Durer and Gustave Dore as much as possible but when I need something really specific an AI generator just comes in handy. I used Leonardo AI for that piece. Thanks for the comment!
@dronehomeless
@dronehomeless Ай бұрын
@@orthodoxuniversalist I'm a fan of Midjourney and Leonardo AI. 👍
@Acta_Non_Verba
@Acta_Non_Verba 23 күн бұрын
How do you explain verses that talk about a "second death" and that the wicked will be destroyed both body and soul etc? Genuinely curious.
@orthodoxuniversalist
@orthodoxuniversalist 23 күн бұрын
Thanks for the comment. Great question. That which is destroyed (Matthew 10:28) can be found and restored (Luke 15: the lost/perished/destroyed sheep, coin, and son). In fact, Luke 15 even implies that God pursues sinners that are in such a state “until” this takes place.
@JonScott-fo2yn
@JonScott-fo2yn 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for this video ❤
@LanguageBLOX1_Alt
@LanguageBLOX1_Alt 3 ай бұрын
I think any "hell" is just a purification from sin so we can be fully pure for heaven. Basically universalist purgatory lol.
@LanguageBLOX1_Alt
@LanguageBLOX1_Alt 3 ай бұрын
I think the nature of any soul is love, but the nature of sin is obviously sin. When we die, we go through this universalist purgatory and feel the flames of god's righteousness, at that point our sin is removed from us and we go with him to the heavenly realm.
@ColinEvans-zr1oh
@ColinEvans-zr1oh 3 ай бұрын
Enter the narrow gate
@AresAlpha
@AresAlpha 5 ай бұрын
Even if the ECT argument was true, how does that necessitate Eternal Torment? Why must an all powerful diety, creator of all, seen and unseen, endure the sight of our sin just to punish us? Would not a more rational punishment be consignment to oblivion?
@orthodoxuniversalist
@orthodoxuniversalist 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for your thoughts! Great question! If God is all powerful, and he is grieved by sin (Genesis 6:6; Psalm 78:40), why would he consign himself to never ending grief? 👍
@tommywarren4633
@tommywarren4633 2 ай бұрын
One thing that you left out about those who receive it, the word receive, is lambano, it means to be bestowed upon something you did not ask for, Paul used that same word over in the Corinthian letter when he said he had all those stripes bestowed upon him, those stripes were something that Paul did not ask for, they were bestowed upon him,!
@orthodoxuniversalist
@orthodoxuniversalist 2 ай бұрын
Boom! Thanks for sharing this!
@tommywarren4633
@tommywarren4633 2 ай бұрын
When someone asks you have you been saved, the best response is,.... yes, 2000 years ago!!!!!!
@Nunya_Bidness_53
@Nunya_Bidness_53 Ай бұрын
You can't get blood out of a stone. You can't punish someone forever who doesn't live forever. And only the repentant/forgiven live forever so they aren't punished. The fundamental problem is a belief in "immortal souls" and an eternal disembodied afterlife, which has *no Scriptural basis*. It came from Plato who got it from Egyptian mysticism. In Scripture, "God only hath immortality" and only those whom he gives the gift of eternal life through Covenantal union with Him live forever. Everyone else "perishes" for LACK of immortality.
@thestraightroad305
@thestraightroad305 10 ай бұрын
When did this belief come into the church? Because I do not see it in Orthodox theology, nor the patristic writings…did it come in with Augustine and become codified by Rome? I know Anselm and Aquinas also promoted these ideas and because of their and Augustine’s influence, this theology remains in the western church as a default. I was a Christian for many years before I realized that there were sound scriptural reasons for beliefs I had been taught were heresy. I think very differently now.
@orthodoxuniversalist
@orthodoxuniversalist 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the question! Clement of Alexandria, Origen, and Gregory Nyssen are the most well known early universalists. But arguments can be made that many others agreed with their views as well.
@thestraightroad305
@thestraightroad305 10 ай бұрын
@@orthodoxuniversalist Oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t make that question clear! I meant, when did the concept of eternal conscious torment come in to the church? That’s what I meant about Anselm and Aquinas, though unsure about Augustine. I know he wrote concerning his ideas on predestination, or what later became fully developed in Calvinism, but I am not sure what he believed about ECT. Are there ancient writers you recommend I read? My ideas began to change when I became friends with a Greek Orthodox family, and had many fascinating conversations with the dad, a priest. Then I began to question many things I had been taught. One has to unlearn a lot to move forward, it seems. I read a lot. Thank you for your kind answer!
@orthodoxuniversalist
@orthodoxuniversalist 10 ай бұрын
@@thestraightroad305 I apologize for the delayed response. It seems certain that Augustine promoted these ideas, as he proposed the necessity of enduring an infinite penalty for an offense against an infinite God. But he was definitely not the first.
@thestraightroad305
@thestraightroad305 10 ай бұрын
@@orthodoxuniversalist Please don’t apologize..I realize you are really busy and I appreciate your time in answering me. I like to know these things because I talk to other people who think western/American evangelicalism is the true Christian doctrine, because that’s all we have ever been taught. When they realize that those who were closest to the apostles thought, wrote and taught differently, they want to know more. Most of them are shocked to know that many of our beliefs are actually modern and contain errors that scripture doesn’t support. They want to know when did these errors come in? And what a tangled, long story that appears to be! Thanks again for pointing me in a direction I can research.
@cgs-nu9zf
@cgs-nu9zf 9 ай бұрын
Eternal punishment is idolatry due to its positive light in paganism. If it where not for Jesus Christ, all those who believe in eternal torment would be damned at this very moment for trusting in the Golden Calf instead of Christ
@akileshkrishna1694
@akileshkrishna1694 3 ай бұрын
Genesis 7:4 The Lord said For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth Bhagavatam 8.24.32 The glorious Lord said: "On the seventh day following this day, all these three world will be submerged." Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Bhagavatam 8.24.61 I bow to that Lord, the Cause of All, disguised in the form of a Whale. SEE! AND MANY MORE.
@eclem3
@eclem3 8 ай бұрын
Mathew 25:41...Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels....
@orthodoxuniversalist
@orthodoxuniversalist 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing! The texts you’re sharing are incredibly important and I in no way intend to downplay the gravity of those verses. I explain my take on them in various places on the channel, but specifically address passages such as this in the “Common Objections” series. Would love your feedback on the content presented there.
@eclem3
@eclem3 8 ай бұрын
@@orthodoxuniversalist will do. Also consider John 17:9. Many Universalist focus on scriptures that mentions salvation for the "World". See what you think about the use of the word "World" in this verse.
@johndalton1043
@johndalton1043 8 ай бұрын
​@@eclem3Matt 25:46 has nothing to do with eschatology. Let's break it down. It is a parable about nations being separated based on humanitarianism. There is absolutely zero concept of grace via faith. Nations who practice humanitarianism will live an age of life (quality of life) while nations that do not practice humanitarianism will live an age of punishment (correction/kolasis) The duration for both is the same because it is a parable about reciprocity. Do people seriously believe whole nations are going to hell for eternity? In short, this is not about eschatology, it is about reciprocity. I would rank it up there with the Golden Rule, or we reap what we sow. Regardless, we practice humanitarianism here...now. Rotherham and Young's Literal are word for word translations that defined aion and its derivatives correctly.
@eclem3
@eclem3 8 ай бұрын
@@johndalton1043 ok...lol.
@johndalton1043
@johndalton1043 8 ай бұрын
@@eclem3 The KJV defines aion and its derivatives as eternal, yet we have not found even one example in antiquity where aion means eternal. It always means an age or pertaining to an age. That should be a major red flag. Koine Greek has a word that means eternal and always means eternal. That word is aidios. No biblical author uses aidios to define man's punishment. Another red flag. I encourage you to fact check everything I've said. Thebiggestjesus does an excellent video on aion titled "This Word Changes Everything" and thetotalvictoryofchrist does a 4 part series on "aion" that is extremely helpful. When Jerome translated the Bible into Latin, he translated aion as eon. Not even in Latin does aion mean eternal. In fact, aion takes on more meaning in English than in Koine Greek or Latin. If aion is defined as eternal and an age, then the word is its own antonym/opposite. If not translated properly one could interpret the text as the complete opposite of what the author intended. Think about it. The reason I know they translated aion as an age is because the very first school of Christian theology was in Alexandria where they read, wrote, and spoke Koine Greek as their native language. They were avowed Christian Universalists, so there is no way they were reading aion as eternal. Their view on eschatology was not Revelation, it was 1 Corinthians 15.
@Quirkyhndl
@Quirkyhndl 11 ай бұрын
The very foundation of this question is both ridiculous and disrespectful of God's mercy and grace. If the penalty for stealing a loaf of bread was three days in jail, would the penalty for stealing a loaf of bread from the King be execution, simply because the King is so great? What a petty and vindictive king that would be.
@orthodoxuniversalist
@orthodoxuniversalist 11 ай бұрын
Unfortunately, the most common answer to this question in the Christian community at present is “no.” The hope is that those that would answer the question this way re-ask the question and entertain a better answer.
@matthewdyer2926
@matthewdyer2926 10 ай бұрын
The problem here is that your god isn’t holy; your god isn’t God. That’s why you’re not understanding what scripture states quite clearly.
@royedwards51
@royedwards51 10 ай бұрын
You’re an indecent human
@jasonegeland1446
@jasonegeland1446 9 ай бұрын
My question for you is why do you adhere to the condemning verses more than the ones that also seem quite clear on the salvation of all? When you study the supposed damning verses and apply the Greek to words such as 'everlasting', 'eternal', and 'for ever', you can easily debunk the endless state to a temporary state of being, whereas when applying the Greek to the salvation of all verses, you will see that all really means all. In addition to this, why does God's justice have equate to cruelty? If God is love (and just), then wouldn't his justice also be rooted in his love, therefore making way more sense when Scripture says that God's judgments always produce righteousness! In other words, fundamentalists have huge problem with God having loving justice vs the typical retributive or cruel justice.
@cgs-nu9zf
@cgs-nu9zf 9 ай бұрын
He is showing and providing these verses to show that their largely interpreted meanings are incorrect and occasionally blasphemous to help viewers understand grace
@user-nd7dy2kv6x
@user-nd7dy2kv6x Ай бұрын
Have you lost your mind - only the believing are saved.
@justchilling704
@justchilling704 Ай бұрын
Correct, he’s not denying that. All are not saved currently, however that doesn’t mean that in the far future God cannot bring all to repentance. After all that’s his will check out 1 Timothy 2:3-4.
@user-nd7dy2kv6x
@user-nd7dy2kv6x Ай бұрын
@@justchilling704 so are you saying that all men are justified in the sight of God - because of Christ's death on the cross ? 1 Timothy 2:3-4 "desires" or "will have" or "wills" - those are quite different.
@justchilling704
@justchilling704 Ай бұрын
@@user-nd7dy2kv6x Nope I’m saying all men who don’t accept Christ will remain in hell and for as long as they reject and rebel against God. Only through Christ can there be salvation. I’m scripture hell is never stated as being eternal in the original language and literal English translations.
@meyaomeyao
@meyaomeyao Жыл бұрын
What happens if I reject the Gospel rather than receive it?
@derDeutsche-mh2zj
@derDeutsche-mh2zj 11 ай бұрын
You can not reject the gospel forever.
@Quirkyhndl
@Quirkyhndl 11 ай бұрын
God is The Good, so to reject God is to choose evil. There is no reasonable, rational, truthful way to reject God. Such a person requires truth, as well as emotional and spiritual healing. Once that is done, they will freely choose what is good, which is God.
@tomraddatz
@tomraddatz 10 ай бұрын
If you reject God’s grace and righteousness now, you will have to learn to trust in God and His righteousness later. If a parent has two sons, one lives a life of honor and productivity in society, this one will bring honor to his parents early on. If their other son lives a life of dishonor and crime, that son will have to serve time in a “correctional facility.” If that correctional facility is worth it’s salt, it will reform the wayward son. Once the wayward son is reformed, and sees the error of his ways, that son, even though having needed punishment, yet being reformed, will again bring honor to his parents. Either way, as with the parable of the prodigal son, the parents never stop loving either son, it’s just that one of them needs a different manner of being molded into a productive member of society (ie righteousness in God). To say God’s only recourse for the wayward son is eternal conscious torment, or even total annihilation, is to say God’s love is not, ultimately, great enough to overcome all evil. Rather, the only failing factor in the latter son’s rehabilitation and reconciliation, would rest in God’s ability. But this is, ultimately, not that much different than the truth that our righteousness is also based fully on God’s ability, and our willingness to receive His grace (just now through faith versus later through open revelation).
@meyaomeyao
@meyaomeyao 10 ай бұрын
@@tomraddatz I've never read the parable of the prodigal son through that lens.. Not sure I can reconcile what you said with what I've read in scripture about weeping and gnashing of teeth.. Gotta put some thought into it 🤔
@voichitaone
@voichitaone 10 ай бұрын
The salvation that God has provided in Christ for every human being will be available for you for as long as it will take you to have enough of the fruits of your rebellion. When you’ve had enough you WILL cry out to God calling on the name of Jesus and you WILL be saved, thanks be to God the Father in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ
@royedwards51
@royedwards51 10 ай бұрын
If Jesus doesn’t save everyone then he’s a failure
@Blacklist324
@Blacklist324 9 ай бұрын
I disagree.
@knowledgeispower2787
@knowledgeispower2787 9 ай бұрын
Would you be a failure if you provided life jackets for everyone on a sinking ship after many refused to put the life jacket on? Not! But maybe you think you would be. Jesus gave His body in death for everyone. However, according to the Father, it is only efficacious for those who believe on the Son. “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.” --John 3 Heretics do not believe all that God says.
@Blacklist324
@Blacklist324 9 ай бұрын
@@knowledgeispower2787 💯
@therealfain
@therealfain 9 ай бұрын
@knowledgeispower2787 Do we believe that God keeps his promises? “And it shall be in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams;” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭2‬:‭17‬ ‭ “On this mountain the Lord of hosts will make for all peoples a feast of rich food, a feast of well-aged wine, of rich food full of marrow, of aged wine well refined. And he will swallow up on this mountain the covering that is cast over all peoples, the veil that is spread over all nations. He will swallow up death forever; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from all faces, and the reproach of his people he will take away from all the earth, for the Lord has spoken.” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭25‬:‭6‬-‭8‬ ‭ESV‬‬ “For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.” ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭4‬:‭10‬ ‭ The old covenant is man’s promise to God. The new covenant is God’s promise to man. Are you believing all that God says? No one here is saying that salvation comes from anywhere but Christ. But the truth is ALL will turn to Him and every knee bow and every tongue will swear allegiance, says the Lord of hosts.
@jeffmorgan9098
@jeffmorgan9098 7 ай бұрын
Hell does not exist
@charleshines2142
@charleshines2142 8 ай бұрын
It is apocatastasis
@ApatiEktetheimenos
@ApatiEktetheimenos 16 күн бұрын
Sounds like some New Age idea or weird OCCULT thinking! God's Grace and Mercy is endless but WE CHOOSE Him or we choose Hell
@orthodoxuniversalist
@orthodoxuniversalist 16 күн бұрын
Thanks for the comment! I actually agree with your whole comment, except for the occult part, of course. A plain reading of scripture simply leads me to believe that hell will ultimately be emptied. God will be all in all. Thanks again!
@ApatiEktetheimenos
@ApatiEktetheimenos 16 күн бұрын
@@orthodoxuniversalist If Jesus said "the worm does not die" then plain reading of Scripture means hell will not be ultimately emptied. You cannot cite a Scripture to support your view on the other hand! So, if something is not Biblical, it is Occult. There is no gray area in this spiritual war. Two sides, no middle ground, right? God is a PERSON, so He will "not be in all" that is Eastern Mysticism, not Biblical Christianity. Hope you study! Your views contradict the truth.
@orthodoxuniversalist
@orthodoxuniversalist 16 күн бұрын
@@ApatiEktetheimenos You’re right! The fire will not be quenched. Neither were numerous fires in the Old Testament (Jer 7:20; Ez 20:47). This means only that they accomplish their full purpose, not that they are unending - unless your argument is that these Old Testament fires are still burning. Yet we have exceedingly clear declarations in the New Testament that all that has been created through Christ, and everything that is sustained by Christ, will be reconciled to God through Christ (Col 1:15-20). The term reconciled isn’t ambiguous. It’s good news for all who are reconciled. So unless we’re going to claim that not everything was created through Christ, or that not everything is sustained through Christ, it’s hard to argue that everything won’t be reconciled to God, through Christ. Thanks again for commenting and sharing your take!
@ApatiEktetheimenos
@ApatiEktetheimenos 16 күн бұрын
@@orthodoxuniversalist The REALITY is we do not KNOW everything and wasting time arguing about what is in God's Hands alone, is a fruitless thing! He warned of damnation that is all that matters. Yes, all things were made by Him, that's John 1 or really Bible 101. Yes, all things are sustained by Christ, Bible 102 course. But what leads the lost to Christ, which is the ONLY THING THAT MATTERS, is how we communicate the Gospel to them. That means, accountability.
@orthodoxuniversalist
@orthodoxuniversalist 16 күн бұрын
@@ApatiEktetheimenos We’re in agreement on the need to communicate the gospel. Great stuff! Let’s go!🤝
@alexandrulazar4347
@alexandrulazar4347 3 ай бұрын
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@eclem3
@eclem3 8 ай бұрын
Mathew 7:13-15....Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it. 15Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.…
@jcismyall
@jcismyall 8 ай бұрын
Which in context & considering the AUDIENCE to which He was speaking, the ‘narrow way’ was GRACE the wide way was LAW. Truly many of those stuck in LAW (performance based religion) were the religious leaders to WHOM He was speaking. Always ask to WHOM was Jesus speaking & WHY He was speaking to them with such words.
@williamoarlock8634
@williamoarlock8634 6 ай бұрын
Sin is imaginary disease for which Christ is imaginary cure.
@matthewdyer2926
@matthewdyer2926 10 ай бұрын
“Orthodox universalist”😂 Oxymoron. This is bold heresy, and God hates it.
@ZazarStudios
@ZazarStudios 10 ай бұрын
If you're a Calvinists or believe in free will, chances are that you're also a heretic. See how easy that is to do?
@matthewdyer2926
@matthewdyer2926 10 ай бұрын
@@ZazarStudios What matters is actually not what is “easy” to say or write; what matters is the _truth._ You’re right to observe that words are cheap, but only if they convey a lie. God’s truth is communicated in written words. Those words convey nothing but truth, and the truth proves your beliefs to be damnable and heretical. _That’s_ what matters.
@montyburnsgaming3609
@montyburnsgaming3609 10 ай бұрын
In your opinion. Many of the early church fathers were universalist.
@judetiner2064
@judetiner2064 9 ай бұрын
@@matthewdyer2926you must've not even watched the video cuz scripture seems clear enough that all are saved
@therealfain
@therealfain 9 ай бұрын
@@matthewdyer2926the thing I find interesting is that those who believe in the restoration of all things have already been down the road of believing in eternal torment and know that view well. It is as though people who continue to believe in eternal torment think we just haven’t read the Bible, so they will reply with a verse they think supports their view as if we have not already considered it. If you truly study all of scripture deeply and study church history along with scripture in its original language, universal reconciliation is glaring you in the face. But the average believer refuses to even study the matter because it threatens recent tradition. I KNOW how to teach eternal torment using the English Bible. I also know the truth and how to teach it. Could you teach both viewpoints? I challenge you to put away tradition and ACTUALLY look into the matter. And maybe be a little more careful with accusing others of heresy.
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@Btw_visit_____todacarne-com 9 ай бұрын
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