William Massena on Patek Philippe from the 1980’s to Today

William Massena on Patek Philippe from the 1980’s to Today | Perpetually Patek

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Tim Mosso and Brian Govberg sit down with William Massena of Massena LAB to discuss the modern history of Patek Philippe. Watches like the Patek Philippe Calatrava (3919) and the Chronograph (5070) set up the brand for success going into the 21st century as they began to diversify their model lines. The trio also talk about Massena’s design methodology, the modern collector, and the Annual Calendar Chronograph.
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00:00 Introduction
01:43 Patek Philippe in the 80’s
05:30 Expanding the Patek Philippe Collection
09:24 The 5070
14:05 Evolving the Brand and the 5960
15:39 The Modern Collector
22:37 Massena LAB Watches
24:58 Essential Patek Philippe Watches
27:52 Dream Patek Philippe Design
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@joshpark6407 Жыл бұрын

Massive kudos to Tim, Brian, and Watchbox team for this amazing series. Thank you for starting Perpetually Patek, and keep them coming! Really enjoying and learning lots!

@adolf-8834 Жыл бұрын

Great to see him here. I like this guy and could listen to him for hours. He is a pillar ambassador to the watch community.

@golfinguru11 Жыл бұрын

I never understood the 5070. It looks like a hockey puck, is bigger than a speedmaster (as a dress watch), has a busy dial, and a movement that doesn't fit the case. The 5170g black dial with breguet numerals is my dream modern watch. Having said that, the 5070p has certainly increased in price over the last decade. It sells for double what the gold models do. Edit: very cool that he mentions the 5370 as his favorite - it's basically the 5170g in platinum with a split. Still think it's too big, but nobody's perfect lol. As for case changes, add the tasti tondi pushers and thicken the lugs and you have perfection.

@johnnyguitar6697 Жыл бұрын

Old TZ'er here. Always a pleasure to see William. I was more active on the Rolex / Rolex Vintage / IWC sections than the PP one, not being a Patek owner myself. But I was always peeking on the PP forum for the sheer entertainment value of William's moderation. I will just say two words" The wart". If William reads these lines, I'm sure he'll have a chuckle.

@zgfvavw3037 Жыл бұрын

And nice how he made “collecting in bags” ridiculous. What a great guy👍🏻

@oneal14attnet Жыл бұрын

Another wonderful episode! The richness of the narration from someone who lived that history is refreshing! Keep up the good work gents!

@mikemcclernon5784 Жыл бұрын

Incredibly riveting conversation I'd never be part of otherwise. Thanks!

@ShahLusso Жыл бұрын

15:41 THIS is how watch collecting should be approached IMO, buy what you like, if you get a win on a trade up then great, if not then at least you enjoyed the watch, and for the watches you really enjoy then just keep them and resale becomes irrelevant 🤷🏻‍♂ great interview overall too, its so interesting learning about the evolution of Patek, especially through the 80s & 90s :D

@Reference-ev4nu Жыл бұрын

Great episode with history of Patek from the 1980s to the modern collector. Patek is classic elegance with unique dials, movements, and finishing.

@user-ls3oz7oj3f 5 ай бұрын

Outstanding informative discussion-thank you. I’ve been lucky enough to own the 3919, 6119G and the 150 Anniversary Patek. I truly love these pieces for its very refined, elegant, and simple watch.

@amintaslneto Жыл бұрын

Very nice watch talk. Really appreciated Massena's wisdom about watches. Thanks Tim and Brian!

@HRM.H Жыл бұрын

Another killer video. Thanks guys!!

@ahmadhayat6314 5 ай бұрын

Fantastic, Fantastic, Fantastic. Give yourself a big pat on your back Tim. Beautifully crafted episode ❤💐💯

@basselamjad958 Жыл бұрын

Appreciate the great Interviews Tim Mosso

@zgfvavw3037 Жыл бұрын

“I don’t, I buy what i like”. Great answer on the investment question. Why did he even ask that.

@marcuslim7349 Жыл бұрын

This is one heck of a discussion. I learnt alot about the point of view of the europeans. Thanks Mosso.

@robertchristiandau1090 Жыл бұрын

Just fantastic thanks for the great content

@geezer8294 Жыл бұрын

great conversation

@Robert.Dickson Жыл бұрын

Great episode guys. Just makes you dream that bit harder😂😂

@YoungBrando Жыл бұрын

I know this is “Perpetually _Patek_.” But to address the elephant in the room what keeps the 5070 down is not another Patek reference. It is that other chrono Mr. Massena mentioned in passing-the Datograph. The advent of that piece made the 5070 look dated before it properly celebrated its first anniversary!

@jmartin2778 Жыл бұрын

Member of TZ for over 20 years and back in the day, my favorite sport was going to the PP forum to read posts by William roasting trolls. Between William and Sandler, there was no shortage of deep insight into watch collecting nor banning trolls. His work with the Habrings at Massena Labs is really excellent.

@golfinguru11 Жыл бұрын

3996 is not a patek reference, I suppose he meant the 3998. Calatravas have always been collectable (at least since the early 2000s) but mostly in bigger sizes. The 565, 570, and 2526 most notably are all 36mm, the minimum size for a modern men's watch today and therefore command the most. I don't see that changing anytime soon and therefore I just don't ever see 33mm watches catching up.

@vesperco6332 Жыл бұрын

I agree with you it could be the 3998 but I think within the context of his comment it must be the 3796

@carlosoruna7174 Жыл бұрын

Ah the 80s classics

@noegarcia5246 6 ай бұрын

3940 is around 50k, yikes. I love how the guy says its not crazy expensive :)

@fredWaxBeans11111 Жыл бұрын

I'm curious, what is everyone's opinion on which watch brand/model is the most, or severely "undervalued" currently? From a PURELY investment standpoint, what particular watch has plunged in price, and from a value standpoint, is considered a steal to buy now? Similar to a great company's stock, which has taken a dive because the whole stock market is down, but will be the biggest to bounce back when whole market recovers. I know nothing about watches, just recently curious about the luxury watch collecting community.

@VibrantMango Жыл бұрын

Invicta.

@papricep6248 Жыл бұрын

It is possible to wear a sealed watch. You just need a medium amount of duct tape.

@CS-vv8hb Жыл бұрын

Massena Lab watches are sleepers. The Uniracer will be a classic.

@kheyaammoseley8534 Жыл бұрын

SWISS MADE

@brucetheshark266 Жыл бұрын

Why do you include Brian Govberg in all Patek videos? He doesn’t add anything

@briangovberg5277 Жыл бұрын

For the eye candy :)

@AcmeRocket Жыл бұрын

@@briangovberg5277 😂😂👍

@bifeldman 5 ай бұрын

He calms Tim down.

@almeladze Жыл бұрын

Patek puts me asleep

@alexp3752 Жыл бұрын

Although not a patron of Patek, the 3919 remains the quintessential "power watch". simple, plain, gold, with white face and Roman numerals. Fantastic! if I owned a single Patek this would be the one! Personally, I prefer a similar timepiece, a Piaget Protocole, simple, plain and gold ultrathin that has been my constant companion for over 35 years. For me, simplicity translates into elegance, elegance embraces tradition, tradition translates into permanence, stability, and professionalism, professionalism into success, and success translates into a life well lived. By the way, if Patek puts you asleep, it will wake you up in a boardroom meeting!

@almeladze Жыл бұрын

@@alexp3752 I like simple classic watches. It's just PP puts me asleep. They're just boring. My stepfather owns 3909 from the 90s... Again, I like simple elegance - Lange, VC, Piaget... . I just fall asleep with pateks