Usually, players cash in AFTER they win a cup. There's no motivation for the core 4 to win getting these contracts. I often wonder how much MLSE really cares about a cup win. The stadium is always full regardless of what they do.

Gold team won a cup with only 1 10 mil player. Boilers have 2 10 mil never won a cup with them. Leafs have 3-4 havent made it past the first round in forever and no cup. NHL being a copycat league is now a lie since no one is building teams like the Knights and keep doing

@@RandomGuyCDN And the Gold I don't think had hardly any players in the scoring/points race. Gold are a TEAM, everyone paid and contributing. Leafs are all about the top 4.

Knights had a crazy total salary going into the playoffs. Lots on LTIR… I find that to be a trend where stacking a bunch of injured guys and having them ready for playoffs seems to lead to a recipe for success 😂

there is no motication to win? Insanely bad take.@@jimharle6217

Horrible fucking contact and is not good for the leafs lol. We aren’t doing shit in the playoffs

​@Dylandontplay stfu and cheer for someone else then

You cant have only 14 contracts on the active roster that makes no fucking sense

@@Tampafan33 They are talking about the end of this season, meaning that they will have 14 players signed for next season. The Leafs will still have to sign the other 9 players as those contracts will be up at the end of the year.

They have 14 roster players under contract for the 2024-25 season. A team is allowed a max of 23 roster players (you can play with as little as 20 players though). Technically they have 9 remaining roster spots available but only $21.062M in cap space to allot to them. @@Tampafan33

This. Matthew Knies puts up 20 goals and 40 points next year? Too bad you can't pay him anything. On top of this Toronto needs a long-term solution to second line centre if they want to be competitive. You can hope that Tavares takes a big pay cut and manages to stay effective at 2C for several more years, but realistically in two years you probably need to seriously consider another option. 2C is usually a pretty expensive position to fill and unless you really believe in Easton Cowan/Fraser Minten taking big steps, the Leafs don't have anyone internally that can fill it.

⁠​⁠@@wesgreig271 Knies will be an RFA when his rookie deal is done, and that’s also the year Tavares’ deal ends. If there is an offer sheet, and it’s more than $5 million (at the current cap), the signing team would need to give the Leafs a 1st and a 3rd. That knocks 10 teams out of the running at the moment (things would be different in 2 year depending on trades since the picks need to be their own). At $6.5 it’s a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. And at $8.5 it’s two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd. Though I doubt the $8.5 is realistic unless he plays a lot better than he has. Chances are, he’ll be signing a bridge deal, or a halfway bridge where it’s a shorter deal like Matthews to take advantage of a rising cap. That’s the long way of saying I think Knies will be staying. I guess time will tell, but the “The Leafs won’t be able to resign X” people were wrong the last couple times. Maybe they’ll be wrong again 🤷🏻‍♂️ (you’re not the first person to talk about Knies leaving). The centre thing does seem like a crap shoot at the moment though. Might be they don’t resign Tavares and try and get an FA C like they did with JT. Probably won’t be JT quality though. Draisaitl would be a free agent that year though 😬 j/j

Yup that's why our bottom 6 is always a haphazard mix of bargains and trade deadline rentals who almost never stay for long. Also why we're paying Todd Bertuzzi the same as Zach Hyman this year. but for almost 4x fewer goals.

@@stevendchumaybe because Hyman’s goals are inflated dude to playing on the same line as McDavid?

hmm he was a point a game for 4 years ...contract year jumped to a point and a half...did it before and dropped off lol

@@scottmcfarlane7524when did he do that before lol

sucks for next yr, after tavares it should be okay

Next summer always comes a 12 million aav for marner though

Am curious to see what JT signs for after next season

They should trade Marner. He’s a great player, but we need help on the back end.

Can't.... he has a full no movement clause. He would need to agree to any trade. @@NotaGabeItch

@@NotaGabeItchMarner has a full no-trade clause (as do all of the corner four). It'll be 100% on his terms.

@@NotaGabeItchtell that to Marner and his no-move clause.

Tavares's contract is up the same year Marner's is, he will be turning 35 that year, so will probably take a big pay-cut, so I wouldn't assume this means the leafs can't afford Marner.

the pens need to make the playoffs by the trade deadline or else Guentzel walks in free agency, I say this as a fellow Pens fan

EXACTLY!! THIS IS NOT GOOD FOR THE LEAFS!!!! We will never win a cup with this core!

Do what they've always done, hire AHL players to fill out the roster.

Next year tough, then Tavares is out or back on a much reduced deal, and hopefully not another pandemic and the cap continues to rise.

The cap is going up over 4 mil, they lose Klingberg's 4, Samsonov's 2 and a half. They will even have a few million to spare to upgrade the current roster even after re-signing everybody.

@@bajjanitor lmfao bro you are one of those delusional ridiculous fans. THIS TEAM OS GOONG NOWHERE!!!

That’s almost a pun …

That’s honestly what I’m worried about

YES! I am worried about this is well because right now we have contract renewal willy!

If it wasnt all forwards it "might" not be as bad but its putting all the eggs in one basket.

Actually, just a shade over $46.65 mil for those 4 players for next season.

Players almost always have a great year in a contract year, he'll go down next season

@platapus112 it's like millions of dollars is a good motivator, or something 🤔

@@dansolnite absolutely, but what if he gets 20 points for the rest of his contract? How do you pay a 20 point player 11 million?

He could get 20 points from a hospital bed. He’s not dipietro…

@@jimmyjones1102 the amount of players that got less points than they used to put up is higher than the amount that have a "career year"

Early start to golf season, what else?

they are squashed no playoff success in 2015-2016, 2016-2017, 2017-2018, 2018-2019, 2019-2020, 2020-2021, 2021-2022....are you r tarded? what are you waiting for? another 8 years of constant LOSSES????? what sign do you need, how much losing before you smarten up?

yeah, I don't get this one. why not wait until the playoffs are done and you know if he's worth this money or not? either he's earned it, full NMC NTC and all, or you get a big discount on him because he couldn't hack it again. signing in Jan makes no sense, there's no pressure for that.

@@sampicano with that kind of record, the top 4 deserve top dollar, that's how Leafs management see it. Strange.

it won't rise fast enough with Bettman keeping poverty franchises like Phoenix on life support.

Why? Because they paid Nylander a lot of money? Big contracts does not necessarily equal performance, and actually, it can reverse performance.

@@swavekbu4959 I lost 30 IQ points reading your jibberish

@@cheechdubinsky6709 losing 30 points for you puts u in negative IQ numbers. 😀 That's how I know ur joking.

But come playoff season they'll choke

Elite in season, trash in playoff hockey.

This is what happens when you can't draft for shit.

I would offer Mitch 11.5 and not a penny more. I love Marner but if he refuses I guess so be it. Play poker with him. 11.5 . take it or leave it

Tavares will sign for 3-5 million to win a cup guarantee

@@davidmorris6254 You're full of shit.

I'm sure whatever team he's playing for will pay him what he wants. He's already very overpaid for what he brings

@@davidmorris6254I thought he signed for 7 years to win a Cup? I’d move on from Tavares and spend the money elsewhere.

Good for willy, he should be proud

Well - as long as you're happy with regular season success and little to no playoff success...Unless you count making the playoffs and 'maybe' getting outta the 1st round a form of success.

@@wu_dee lol - yessss - he's now in the snobbery confines with the likes of Matthews, Marner, and Tavares...They can laugh at the miserable cretins they call teammates.

People have a lot of recency bias. Marner has outproduced Nylander every season but this one, and is a far better defensive player, being relied on in all situations for many seasons. Now I think we're seeing Willy start to really take off offensively, and is driving play at a level Marner maybe never has. Will it last? Who knows, but its great to watch. But there definitely seems to be a lot of fans that are happy to completely ignore Nylanders lack of defensive acumen. For $11.5M I'd certainly prefer more attention to defensive detail.. But we'll see. I'm glad he's a Leaf for years to come. Just odd how 10.9M was considered an obscene overpay for a player who has routinely outperformed a player now signed to 11.5 (and yes, I know the cap % is still lower).

You don't pay big bucks to your star players to be good on defense, you pay them to score goals and create plays. Let the bottom 6 feeders who are paid minimum wage to kill penalties and stop the best trios, that's what they are here for.

@@vinceslapchopper you realize the forwards still need to help the team defensively too, right?

Yep, and what about the goal tender situation? Toronto seems to keep falling into the same trap

Dude this deal is a fucking joke. He does not deserve that much money!!! If this team goes nowhere in the playoffs this year I am fucking DONE. I am already almost done same old leafs same old bullshit

@@Dylandontplay and then somehow in the offseason they make some moves and suck you back in again for another year of pain

@@koreyfreemanofficial I have been sick of this team for 3 years!! I don’t even watch every game now because I know what to expect and am sick of it. IF THEY GO NOWHERE IN THE PLAYOFFS THIS YEAR I AM DONE 100 percent. It’s been 7 fucking years of shit

I am so pissed at this signing

​@@Dylandontplaystfu ur cringe

Pastrnak made less over that same span draisatle made slightly more and is way better then what nylander did so is it really a deal

Let him go make it so where else, we have enough of soft players here

Well said mrgriffin! and to the other replies.... with your logic you must hate players scoring goals? or is that only Nylander that logic applies to? You can't build a team with hate.

@@trevorrochon6983 Pastrnak is an elite player. I put him top 5 in the league no argument on that. Can't wait to see if the Bees pony up the big cash for him cause he deserves more than any player the league

JT will sign for way less than his current contract.

Hopefully Mitch is gone.

how is that an issue though. When Tavares' contract ends it will be the same year that Marner is looking to renew. We cant probably bet on JT taking a decent pay cut around 5-6mil and Marner 11-12 mil max. If cap goes up around 4 mil per year by the 25-26 season when they need their contracts renewed they will actually have more cap space

mitch will most likely be traded and then the other 3 guys will have their worst year on the leafs@@sumotong1475

@@sumotong1475 my thoughts, Marner is gone after next year unless he takes less (and we know he isn't so if you give in then you are doomed). JT takes less or is gone.(same thing give in to the high $ demand you are doomed) likely the 24-25 season will be a "lame duck" season as I just don't think they will be able to put together a fully decent team. maybe they can but I just don't know as they will only have $21,062,000 in cap space to work with and you need at least 10 spots filled. lets say bert and domi resign with the same $ that leaves 12.5m in space for 8 guys. with 5 D spots open and 3F open. Can bring in the rooks but how will they play? they may be good but its unlikely to be instant success. So you have a "lame duck" while the rooks learn which honestly isn't a bad thing but knowing the media in Toronto (brutal) how would that effect them? I think the leafs are in a very tight spot.

That ain't happening. If he didn't do it the first time, he sure as hell are not going to do it now

@@DXAdamJenseni could see it happening he’s not gonna get much more than that on free agency at his age and when he signed with the leafs he turned down more money from SJ to play in his hometown

@@laflame6793 he was never offered more by San Jose. That’s a myth. It’s just stuff made up by a leaf fans to justify the dumb contract given to Tavares and the Leafs bidding against themselves as they did once again today

Really,? He plays better on a contract year to get paid. Not a good sign

Key word there is this season

$1.5M or he needs to leave.

Spoiler alert: they won't.

They’ll be all high fives on the golf course in May! Again!😂

About the cup.

Because of this drastic Nylander overpay, Leafs haters will really root against them even coming close to sniffing the Cup.

How the fuck is it a good day for the Leafs, we have 21 million in cap space next year to sign a goalie and half a roster. We've gambled our future on players who CONTINUALLY underperform, are no shows when it matters most, lose to bottom feeder garbage NHL teams, are soft as baby shit, and have showed no signs they'll change or can figure out how to win... This was supposed to be a dynasty and what have we got, ONE single fucking playoff series win! Woohoo, great day for the Leafs.

​@leaf16nut bingo, some idiot Leaf fans just don't get it. This stupid signing will put the Leafs behind the cup e ball for the next decade at minimum. Looks like the Leafs are competing with the Chicago Cubs with how long they can go between championships.

THIS IS A FUCKING HORRIBLE CONTRACT!!! How does this help us??? You know what would have been a good contract??? 10 million!!! WE WILL NEVER WIN PAYING THOSE 4 this much money!!!! I am so fucking sick of this team and it’s bullshit

Blind faith from the be-leafers, I've bought into it for years but I no longer can, Leafs won't be winning fuck all with these players..

My gut is saying Tavares but he is a 1ppg player so hmmmm.

yep soft fragile

one team has won the cup with a player making $10 million dollars or more....Vegas (last year) Eihel exactly $10 million..... the leafs have FOUR guys making MORE than $10 million - $13.25 - Matthews - $11.5 - Nylander - $11 - Tavares - $10.9 - Marner - $7.5 - Rielly So you can think this was smart move all you want, but the truth is the Leafs will not be winning a cup this year or next year. I'll bet anybody. It really is a disaster. This is a terrible signing, at the worst time.

@@cindybates68 fragile? How many games has he missed to injury the latest few years?

@@Gl-my8fw the whole team is soft n fragile

It's pure fantasy, and only seems to be peddled by these guys. Every one else can see Dubas did it to himself by trying to use Pitts as leverage to get a better deal.

@@randysgutful mlse can afford it. It’s not an arizona situation. If he wanted more money it wouldn’t hurt them the slightest. Shanahan didn’t wanna lose power.

As much as I like him, I don't think he will give two F's about the pressure to prove anything. Either he'll feel like playing the way he has the past year and a half, or... he won't. I hope he does keep it up, but he'll show the same nonchalance if his performance drops off.

What pressure? 🤣 These guys get worshipped for being for losers. Oh yeah, they also get overpaid. There is no pressure.

He’s not close to being worth that. Contract year! Watch his lazy ways come back full force now.

@RG-lr4pk I was referring to the pressure he'll put on himself

@@OntarioRob who Nylander??? That guy’s doesn’t let anything bother him. He got what he wanted and he will disappear

I know it would hurt. Let Marner walk.

And even if this is his plateau, 120 points a season?? Still pretty damn good

wait til he doesnt produce in the playoffs.....u think marner has it rough.....fk nylander will crack under that pressure lol@@TheGamerHenstrike

Nylander has been pretty good the plast 3 playoffs. @@djaarano16

@@djaarano16 nylander is the best on the team at handling the toronto pressure lmao, consistently been a playoff performer

How does giving a player with known effort issues a huge paycheck + full NMC motivate him to play? This contract will age like milk.

IF he's still motivated to play his ass off in 4 years. I'm not convinced yet that he'll be motivated even next year, and I like the guy.

He had 2 good years out of 6 on his last contract. Now he has nothing to prove and I highly doubt you will get even 2 or 3 good seasons. History has not shown any consistency for this player.

@@joeonthego8247 he has improved every year since entering the league,,, so what you are saying is just wrong

And if JT resigns the following year we know he's gonna take a massive discount. Maybe by 50% at least.. Hopefully

Same, as much as I like Marner. But we can improve so much with a Marner trade.

You would rather lose Marner over Nylander lol, that is actually so insane. Nylander has been on this team for 9 years, has never once put up better numbers than Marner except for this year, and apparently he is worth the $11.5m, even though this year isn't even over and he could very well fall off in the 2nd half of the season. Never except 1 season in his career has he put up more than 1 point per game, but sure man, well worth the blow to our cap space.

Hope Marner is gone tbh

He would have got it in the free market. He is the top player on half teams in the nhl .

marner is about a 30 goal scorer per year with hitting the 95 point mark......yet i bet you hate his guts and wish for him to be traded

I think if he avg 30g/season then its good. I suspect he will hit 40+ the next 2-3 then trend down.

I actually could give two fucks how Nylander plays past 4 years from now. If he's above expectations in the next 3 seasons it's a great deal imo. Just a rough gamble for a team already deep into a "push for cup" window

I hope he keeps up the hustle after signing

so mitch marner should be in the clear right now then?@@iconicfury

In 8 years he be 36... The huge signing bonus is the key point. If he fell off the wagon past 30 they Shea Weber his ass to somebody trying to hit the floor.

in 8 year's this team wont' have anything left except the withered husk of a few elite players (who never won everything), no prospects, no draft pics and a whole lot of pain for the team to rebuild for 10 years only to get a few good guys who they can overpay and go through this cycle again.

@@madmen2288 I guess you forgot about the no movement clause.

Honestly doubt it. The cap has been in the $80s for like 10 years already

Yeah when you're trading a LTIR contract I'm sure they never wave it... @@MrMortadella1

lol

And when he doesn't?

Yeah, you should be concerned about your toilet seat team with not making the playoffs for the next 20 years, did you see how tanking for Bedard worked for you? Enjoy the basement! :)

😂

And when he doesn't?

Yet, you don't see teams that win cups doing this. The Leafs are obsessed with keeping their best players at the expense of actually contending. Vegas has money for days, and they aren't scared to make the hard moves. And they won a cup in their 6th season of existence.

"People never understand that this is what it takes to keep excellent players on your team." EXCEPT ON ANY OTHER NHL TEAM DUM DUM THAT'S NOT WHAT IT TOOK TO KEEP EXCELLENT PLAYERS ON TAMPA, OR VEGAS OR BOSTON. You literally just lied. Sidney Crosby makes like $8.7 million dollars. Matthew Tkachuk makes $9.5. What the hell are you talking about?

@@pomerlain8924 The teams that have won cups also have not had the same level of forward talent that the leafs have. Maybe that says something, idk but u can’t let a player of his caliber walk for nothing so you pay what it takes to keep him around

@@sampicano Crosby signed that contract in 2013 so that’s pretty irrelevant today. Tkachuk signed his before his excellent playoff run with Florida that would have increased his value by 1.5M+ easily. No other team has this level of elite talent up front, its just what it costs

​​@@andrewaikins2575But those teams that won cups did not pay each of their forwards over $10M to strangle their cap space. Hence, they had money available to pay for competent goaltending and a strong defense. On the Avs, it's not just about MacKinnon, Nichuskin and Raantinen. They have strong d-corp anchored by Makar and Toews. They won a cup with Darcy Kuemper in net. MacKinnon is the only one making over $10M, and that came AFTER they won a cup. In Tampa, Stamkos could have made more, but he left money on the table to so they could pay for bottom 6 depth and another defensemen. And in Vegas, outside of Eichel, they don't really have any star forwards. But it was a forward who was deemed to small, that wasn't a star, that won the Conn Smythe. And they didn't overpay a few guys. So they had a stout d-corp competent goaltending, and were able to roll four lines. The Leafs have inconsistent goaltending, and very slow d-corp, and no scoring depth. And on top of that, their highest paid players are soft. And as they are the so-called leaders, their softness sets the time for the rest of the team. And also the important question: What have the Leafs won with all this elite talent? One playoff series in 7 years. But sure, let's overpay 4 forwards who haven't won anything notable. Let's just be happy with their regular season stats, since it seems that's all that matters to fans like you.