Windows 98 Celeron vs Pentium 4

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PLE Computers was the first store I went to after having arrived in Australia. Let's go back to 2002 and check out their worst and best CPU for Socket 478!
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@philscomputerlab 6 ай бұрын

Sorry about the buzzing in the audio. I've resolved the issue since, but for this video you just have to put up with it 🥺

@t.v.9696 6 ай бұрын

It's OK! I had a noisy heater in the background so all the buzz got cancelled 😎.

@exxor9108 6 ай бұрын

The way my speakers are, I didn't really notice any buzzing at all. xD But for real, mistakes can happen. Does not mean the channel has any less quality. The content is awesome. X3

@mariobrito427 6 ай бұрын

Don't sweat it! I usually watch my videos in a public place, so I barely noticed. Your work is much appreciated, so keep it up! Wishing you a merry Christmas and a happy 2024!

@aleksandersaski5387 6 ай бұрын

Very naughty!

@clinicallyproven2554 6 ай бұрын

I was worried my hearing aid was bad since its bluetooth.

@bobbyboygaming2157 6 ай бұрын

"If you have too many options you will actually end up doing less"... Couldn't agree more... And this is true for a lot of things not just gaming.

@Alex1M6 6 ай бұрын

Story of my life when purchasing things.

@fridaycaliforniaa236 6 ай бұрын

Too much choice, kills the choice

@smi03 6 ай бұрын

RIP James Mccaffrey, voice of Max Payne. Remedy absolutely nailed it when they got him to voice the character.

@raven4k998 Ай бұрын

makes you wonder how a 10 ghz pentium 4 would have been like had intel hit 10 ghz🤔

@MarcoGPUtuber 6 ай бұрын

Best Christmas gift ever, a new Phil video.

@TheSliderW 6 ай бұрын

Max Payne does get harder as you progress and require some save scumming in some places but that only forces you to use your tools, slow-mo and the layout more effectively. Take advantage of the slow-mo to aim for the heads or to jump into cover. There shouldn't be a fight without using it whether by pressing the slow-mo button or using the dive mechanic. I remember dying in a couple of fights and only noticing then that there were explosives like barrels or fire extinguishers that I shot at on the next attempt. There are plenty of those in Max Payn 2 also. It's like the devs wanted to showcase the physics of the game as well. Great video as always. Brought back some cool memories : )

@alibabaat40thieves 6 ай бұрын

Hehe, so true. I remember always "flying" through doors in slo-mo, when I went to unknown areas. Just to make sure i was prepared for what would be behind that door... well, too often it was just looking stupid, because there was no enemy on the other side 😁

@TheSliderW 6 ай бұрын

@@alibabaat40thieves ha ! yes, same here X )

@StroggKingu 6 ай бұрын

And i started using just slomo without dodge and just breach rooms in slomo with no worry of it ending after landing on the ground.

@aflatearther 6 ай бұрын

That was very close to my university PC. P4 Northwood 2.4 in a Shuttle XPC, ti4200 by Leadtek (the exact model you had there actually) and it was brilliant. Used it to play through Max Payne back in the day. Replaced it a few years later when NForce2 came out and changed the game. Fun to reminisce, great videos Phil.

@Trick-Framed 6 ай бұрын

Staring at my tower thinking, that best not be what I think it is, I scroll down to find out it's not! It's actually the video buzzing. LOL! Well played Phil!

@rogiervanlierop 6 ай бұрын

Thanks again! I also build a P4 from this era and love it. I wish you a Merry Christmas and a healthy 2024!

@davkdavk 6 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas to you Phil, and all the best for 2024. Keep the retro vids coming mate. Love your content

@efpcvintageplanet3406 6 ай бұрын

I love hardcore retrobuilds for Windows 98 from the turn of the century. The most powerful one I have available at the moment is made up of an Athlon XP 2200+ with a Geforce4 Ti 4200. the difference between the Pentium 4 and the Celeron is really felt even if the cost for the top Socket 478 in 2002 was really very high. Thank you for the content, best wishes for a Merry Christmas and a Happy 2024

@xBruceLee88x 6 ай бұрын

Some day I'll rebuild my old athlon system. Xp 2500+ Barton that I somehow unlocked to 3200+, 2x 512mb xms ddr400, 9600xt which was sadly the DDR2 variation but i do remember shoving a SS7 fan on the heatsink and overclocking it lol. Motherboard was an Abit Nf7-s 2.0

@filipetmarcal 6 ай бұрын

Great video and Merry Christmas

@Willymaster777 6 ай бұрын

hi Phil, i am from Chile, i love you work, your videos, rescuing the old hardware and software, your web page save me a lot of times, we need more people like you, with love for this content, rewards sorry for my english, is not my native tonge

@Redmage913 6 ай бұрын

I remember the day I successfully begged my dad to get us a bigger hard drive for our Win98 PC - 4GB, with a recovery partition, was nothing. A beautiful 60GB drive lasted us as a data drive for quite a few years, until its final defrag caused some nice pinging and sudden death :P Completely irrelevant to this video, but it stirred the memory when you brought up drive space and I thought “man, a 32GB boot drive would’ve been *lovely*…”

@Trick-Framed 6 ай бұрын

You finally finished Max Payne!? Congrats!!!! I beat it on my PII but I went back and did it again on my Thunderbird x GF 2 system. The graphics on max and the highest res my monitor could do and it looked amazing compared to the Rage 128 in the PII. That was when it came out. MP 2 was cool but MP3 was where it went off the rails a bit. It was a really involved game by the 3rd iteration. I never cheated though.

@mesterak 6 ай бұрын

Happy Friday Phil!

@50shadesofbeige88 6 ай бұрын

Happy Philday!

@philscomputerlab 6 ай бұрын

Thank you 👍😊

@t.v.9696 6 ай бұрын

Oh, that's an awesome nostalgia video, Phil 😉👍! I also remember playing Max Payne on a budget Intel system. But what about more apples to apples comparisons? I mean the Socket 478 2.53 GHz Celeron with 533 MHz front side bus. This sounds like a much more fair comparison to me.

@xsc1000 6 ай бұрын

But at the time you could buy Celeron with 533MHz FSB, there was P4 with 800MHz FSB.

@chrisducati26 6 ай бұрын

Another great video! I would love to see the results if you could add the celeron 1.3Ghz Tualatin

@PROSTO4Tabal 6 ай бұрын

Phil, you need to use painkillers in Max Pane (medkits) you have total of 8 while you are playing. Awesome 2002 hardware spec, this is my teenage period and I played lots of good games like: Quake 3, Medal of Honor 1, Red Faction 1, Project IGI, Clive Barker's Undying and of course Colin McRae Rally 2

@azminek7154 6 ай бұрын

He was playing with god mode enabled.

@proCaylak 6 ай бұрын

2:54 ah... I remember playing Drakan Demo a lot. those sharp corners of the terrain, that fog, flying around and riding that dragon, those bright colored potions... that's all I can remember. Thanks to you, I now remember the game's name again :D

@greggregson9687 6 ай бұрын

The secret to Max Payne is bullet time lunge. Every time I came across a section that was flat out ridiculous, the bullet time lunge (after maybe suffering a few deaths to know where everyone was) got me through.

@steveskipper6473 6 ай бұрын

Happy Christmas Phil! Looking forward to your content in 2024.

@philscomputerlab 6 ай бұрын

Happy holidays!

@the_beefy1986 6 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas Phil!

@fridaycaliforniaa236 6 ай бұрын

Another excellent video =)

@alexandrecouture2462 6 ай бұрын

It would be interesting to compare the Pentium 4 vs Pentium M, both in desktop motherboards. Pentium M was aimed toward mobile computers, but I remember at school we had desktop computers equipped with them.

@Choralone422 6 ай бұрын

In my experience as a PC tech that repaired hundreds of laptops during the late 90's and through the 2000s and into the 2010s, the Pentium M chips would easily keep up with a P4 running at 50% faster clock speed and use less power while doing so. A 1.6 GHz Pentium M could keep pace with a 2.4 GHz P4 and so on. The Pentium M was initially created by a team in Israel (as opposed to a US based team which Intel historically had develop most mainline CPUs) as the laptop OEMs of the day were putting pressure on Intel to come up with laptop CPUs that had would offer better battery life and run cooler. The team started with the later P6 cores, mated it to the quad pumped P4 FSB, optimized it for low power use in part through manufacturing advances since the P6 chips, and added even more L1 and L2 cache than the P4 CPUs had. They also added SSE2 and some other architecture improvements as well. Back then I worked for a laptop repair depot who had good relationships with most of the major laptop OEMs and some of our contacts within HP in particular had a very strong dislike of the mobile P4 due to power and heat issues. Toshiba also had a real dislike of them as well. There was quite the conversation of how the Pentium M chips were great compared to the mobile P4 when I visited Toshiba of America HQ in Irvine, CA in December 2003 for a 2 day training class.

@alexandrecouture2462 6 ай бұрын

@@Choralone422 Very interesting!

@jd-py5nm 6 ай бұрын

I had mobile p4 in a dell back then running xp I recall it was a good experience

@chu-icehugehard1820 4 ай бұрын

Asus made an adapter named CT-479, which enables Asus S478 boards to work with Pentium M. But it's very hard to find now

@Trick-Framed 6 ай бұрын

This Celeron is the chip I held the world OC score with for an hour. Seems we all figured it out around the same time and that chip was a hot OCer for a bit. Fun times. I got it from a friend that upgraded to the P4 3.06Ghz HT model, the top of the heap from that gen before they went 800 Mhz FSB. Right before the Socket 775 became a thing.

@vl0guz 6 ай бұрын

As for the Screamer 4x4 vehicle upgrades they come only once for winning every tournament stage if the upgrade is applicable to the car. So you can unlock numerous tyres and engines and only one manual rear differential provided the stock car wasn't equipped with one.

@normanhunter7 6 ай бұрын

Great video Phil, thanks for the memories, have you tried Kingpin? worth a look but gets difficult, bags of atmosphere!

@philscomputerlab 6 ай бұрын

Not yet!

@Wushu-viking 6 ай бұрын

Cache is such an important part of a CPU's performance. The Celerons were made for general Office type work and web browsing. Very good financial option, if you needed a large quantity of computers for like a call center or something. Anything more heavy duty load, like rendering, compiling as well as gaming, the P4 was well worth the extra premium.

@rodhester2166 6 ай бұрын

good times.. cheers

@3dfxvoodoocards6 6 ай бұрын

Interesting video. 0:20 - looking at the prices, no wonder everyone I knew back then had AMD CPUs.

@philscomputerlab 6 ай бұрын

I guess it's time to make an Athlon video again?

@Kambei_Seven 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for your work as always, but it's good to compare CPU's with same speed in 'Mhz'.

@Googlag 6 ай бұрын

Hi. I am writing to you from Windows 8.1 x32, Pentium 4 E(478) \4.3GHz.\G31\ddr2\800 MHz. yesterday I launched the 2012 NFS MW, I can say that the processor can still.Also completely passed the Chronicles of Riddick without any problems.I've seen how often the parameters were underestimated on KZfaq.I think it's stupid .My system works on higher settings as well. Now that I'm using retro equipment. I understand how important optimization is in games. Now games and software consume an unjustified amount of resources.

@xbmc79 6 ай бұрын

Ich hab so gut wie immer mit cheats gespielt. Manche Spiele sind eben zu hart für mich. Es macht mir immer nur dann Spaß, wenn ich die Story von dem Spiel genießen kann. Prince of Persia - Sands of time hab ich aber ohne cheats (gibt es überhaupt welche?) mit großer Begeisterung durchgespielt mit meinem Athlon 2200+ der Geforce 4 4200TI. Ich kann mich noch sehr gut erinnern wie ich damals diesen 3D Mark 2002 Benchmark auf meinem System laufen gesehen habe. WOW. Good old times Phil. Ich wünsche dir frohe Weihnachten und einen guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr !

@philscomputerlab 6 ай бұрын

Vielen Dank und auch an Dich alles Gute für 2024.

@RetroPC-vy3kt 6 ай бұрын

Wonderful memories!

@johnjames7332 6 ай бұрын

Ran a Socket A setup in 2002 with a Gainward Geforce 4600Ti Golden Sample on a 19” MAG CRT. Was pure bliss. Only recently build a retro Socket 478 setup with an ATI 9700 Pro. Finding a good beige retro pc case is almost as hard as finding good parts these days.

@supabass4003 6 ай бұрын

9700Pro, very nice. I had the AIW version which was a reference card with an onboard tv tuner. I had dual CRTs and would play Xbox on one CRT and browse forums and MSN/AIM/TeamSpeak on the other. It died in less than 12 months though, right after Doom 3 came out - appeared that the floppy power connector that provided power shorted out and burnt/melted :(

@Queso305 6 ай бұрын

Back in 2003 I built my first PC using a 2 GHz Celeron I took out of my HP pavilion. I bought an Intel d865perl. It wasn't overclock friendly but it was a solid Mobo that allowed me to use a GeForce 2 that had been gifted to me when I used to have a k6 powered PC with no agp slot. It wasn't a great setup but eventually I upgraded to s 9600 XT and even with the Celeron, I was able to play games like need for speed under ground and far cry. Later on I upgraded to a pentium 4 and that changed everything, but shortly built my second PC based on a c2duo and played Crysis 😎. This video brought back some good memories!

@RuruFIN 6 ай бұрын

Gotta love how Phil always uses my favourite soundcard of all time, the Audigy2 ZS :) I also had the exactly same Leadtek Ti 4200 back in the day!

@philscomputerlab 6 ай бұрын

The best!

@Johny40Se7en 6 ай бұрын

That's a cool retro set up, great that the motherboard has a PCI Ex16 slot rather than the older AGP. And Screamer 4x4 looks so ahead of its time in terms of physics, it reminds me of GTA IV's vehicle handling when you drive SUV's, bloody brilliant. Have a lovely holiday 🙂😊

@armorgeddon 3 ай бұрын

I didn't see any PCIe slot in the whole video and the GeForce 4 used here was only available for AGP.

@Johny40Se7en 3 ай бұрын

@@armorgeddon Oh yeah, it is AGP too... Oops

@danielberrett2179 6 ай бұрын

Crazy how fast pricing changed in this decade. I remember paying around 300 USD for my P4 3.0E (hyper threading) just a few years later. huge upgrade from the Family K6/7 400mhz

@peterhenkel3020 6 ай бұрын

Absolutely, in the early 2000s Computer stuff evolved so fast. If you bought something, when it arrives it was already old, or at least cheaper :D

@randomexcessmemories4452 6 ай бұрын

Have you done the Abit BP6 and the dual overclocked Celeron setup? I've heard that was really popular back in the day!

@ZeR0goth 6 ай бұрын

Stuff happens. Nice video as always. Love your retro tech coverage.

@philscomputerlab 6 ай бұрын

Much appreciated!

@Trick-Framed 6 ай бұрын

I ran a P4 until 2006. I replaced it with an Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Windsor Core. Had 2GB and a 320GB HDD. I added in a few GT 8xxx cards and settled on a 9600 1GB in the end for it. Even boosted it up to 3.5GB DDR2 800.

@TurboMMaster 6 ай бұрын

It's sure nice to see direct comparison of high-end and budget option from certain era - I doubt many people coulf afford to both back in 2002. I think you should do it more - perhaps compare slowest and fastest Pentium 1? Also suggestion - if you are testing PC build from certain area, you should look for more demanding games from that year. I think that games like Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos, Morrowind, Postal 2 and Blood Omen 2 are perfect, more demanding games for systems like those.

@peterhenkel3020 6 ай бұрын

Hi, because I saw it in the price list: a comparison between the Tualatin Celeron against the Willamette would bei interesting. I bet the 1.3 GHz or 1.4 GHz Tualatin would beat the 1.7 GHz Willamette with ease.

@davidmedal6079 6 ай бұрын

I was thinking exactly the same thing! I’d love to see a quick follow up video with the Tualatin Celeron added to the benchmarks.

@georgez8859 6 ай бұрын

I still have a few Socket 478 systems With Pentium 4 CPU`s. Very Stable and a lot of fun. My favorite is still the Slot One setups. Thanks for the Video.

@retropcscotland4645 6 ай бұрын

I had one of those Asrock boards it suffered from the bad caps syndrome and died. That's the problem I had a lot with socket 478 boards I've binned a lot of them.

@RetroGamingX1 6 ай бұрын

How incredible that in those times there was so much difference between 2 CPUs that are of the same architecture... currently there is hardly any difference between an i3 vs an i7 of the same generation, greetings!

@donottouch9110 6 ай бұрын

It's actually amazing the price to performance the celeron provided since the gpu was only bottlenecked at lower resolutions

@SneakiestDuke68 6 ай бұрын

Nice video, maybe the next Duron/Sempron vs Athlon ? I have P4 2.8 with Win2000 overclocked to 3.6 GHz.

@martli837 6 ай бұрын

The big unanswered question is: what did you end out getting back in 2002?! Merry Christmas Phil, thanks for all the great content and looking forward to more in 2024. Glad to see another video on my favourite CPU the Pentium 4 😊

@lexluthor8468 6 ай бұрын

That is rare to hear. Most people complain how bad the CPU is and how hot the CPUs are. My personal favorite is the Northwood.

@neongenesis2979 6 ай бұрын

I absolutely love my socket 478 machines! Playing retro games aside, I've found my PCIe boards can handle some pretty powerful late directx9 titles such as Minecraft. And thanks to SSE2 instructions, and a little help from Legacy update and the H264ify extension, I can watch your videos with the MyPal68 browser as well. Merry Christmas and thanks for the fun vids!

@dallesamllhals9161 6 ай бұрын

I absolutely "Hate" AMD socket A(462, AGP and +) but STILL have my 1400MHz HOT Thunderbird CPU 😲

@marisakirisame867 6 ай бұрын

Yeah it could even run touhou 6 till 8 pretty good

@xBruceLee88x 6 ай бұрын

Another great video! Mmmm celery

@miguelque9102 6 ай бұрын

Screw that man who helped my father to build our first family PC back in 2004 with a Northwood Celeron 2.4 and Radeon 9200SE. From that PC I learnt it the hard way that, firstly, Celeron sucks. Secondly, any video card with SE suffix should be avoided at all cost.

@unrealdevon 6 ай бұрын

Why did you compare such a low clocked celeron to a 2.8 p4? I remember all those prebuilt pcs from the era (and other eras too) . They loved to put big stickers on how many ghz the cpu was but the smaller font was always celeron 😂 Hp did this and probably many others aswell. I was fortunate enough at 10yo to be a crazy pc geek so i knew the difference between those lines of cpus. But i bet many parents bought their kids a celeron just looking at that high ghz 😉

@azminek7154 6 ай бұрын

Definitely. Around the time a friend of mine got a prebuilt from Tesco with I think a 2.8GHz Celeron and some other pos low-end graphics card. It was right after GTA Vice City and Call of Duty (1) came out, but before Half Life 2 and Doom 3. So mid-2003 to early 2004 I think. It did well in CoD and GTA so the graphics card probably wasn't a FX5200 or if it was, then he got lucky and got one with the full 128bit bus and 400MHz RAM.

@supabass4003 6 ай бұрын

I remember the forums being filled with people asking why their new pre-built gaming PC was so slow, you'd ask for the specs and they'd say "I don't know", so you'd ask does it have any stickers on the front? Whats it say? "It says Intel Inside Celeron" Well there's your problem! Dell and HP coupled Celerons with Geforce4MX and sold them as gaming PC's, they made and sold them to every parent or uninformed person looking for a budget pre-built, but they were IMO ewaste and left many aspiring PC gamers disappointed.

@MagicManfred 6 ай бұрын

The difference between Celerons and Pentiums was so immense in this generation. I remember the Celeron being slower than an Athlon XP 1700+ even when the Celeron was overclocked to 3 GHz. The difference in L2 cache Made an incredible impact.

@blakegriplingph 6 ай бұрын

My brother bought a rig with the exact same 1.7GHz Celeron back in 2003, albeit with a shoddy ACorp board which got trashed when it fell victim to the capacitor plague. Oh and playing Max Payne without resorting to bullet time/shootdodging would be just as effective as drinking non-alcoholic beer. 😛

@philscomputerlab 6 ай бұрын

😂

@SevenCompleted 6 ай бұрын

I use a g400 as well the logitech form factor is just so comfortable, had the g5 and mx510 before. I just hope logitech makes them in that exact style when my g400 eventually dies, but its been working for them for 20 years now so they better not change it.

@manaphylv100 6 ай бұрын

I had an old Duron 600 or 700 MHz mobile chip, which I pencil-modded to 1 GHz, but my motherboard used an awful SiS chipset. It was pin-compatible with Athlon XP (Socket A), but I had no idea if the BIOS could support it, and since I was only about 13 at the time, I couldn't afford to try. Of course, P4 was way out of my budget, so I skipped that entire generation. I upgraded straight to the Opteron 150 (Athlon 64 4000+) when I got enough money. I went with the ATI Radeon Xpress 200 chipset for Socket 939, because VIA and Nvidia both had terrible drivers, and I wanted a decent IGP for backup. It was feature-poor, but stable and great for overclocking. I easily hit 3 GHz, which was basically the limit of the K8 architecture.

@Trick-Framed 6 ай бұрын

Here's a recommendation. Play an online shooter. Like Fortnite, COD or one of the many others and you will start to build faster reaction time in games. You need to put in a few hours a few days a week. And it's fun to do on top of which. That is my tip to "get good".

@Dukefazon 6 ай бұрын

You have to use the slow-down mechanic and shootdodge ALL the time in Max Payne. It's not just a run and gun shooter, you just can't survive without the shootdodge. Continue with Max Payne 2, it's an even better game! BTW, the voice actor of Max Payne passed away last week (Sunday), may he rest in peace.

@philscomputerlab 6 ай бұрын

RIP I've started playing the second game and it seems fairer...

@shiva_MMIV 6 ай бұрын

I have the exact same video card in my current retro system 😊

@enzito_sdf6978 6 ай бұрын

phil you should do a vid with those via C3 cheap mobos out there! they should work with setmul and have built in s3 video + via SB compatible audio. i think they are a great way to get into dos and win 98 gaming with a fairly cheap setup

@TheCsabi86 6 ай бұрын

What's that case you put the parts into?

@feeterican 6 ай бұрын

This was almost my first PC I bought with 25 hours overtime lol. I had the 2.4GHz P4 with the Gainward 4200 Ti Ultra and after a year I think I got the Audigy 2 Zs and 1GB RAM. Funny thing I though was I used that sound card up till just a few years ago (2017 I think). It started making a quiet crackling sound when the PC was idle but it's on display on my desk.

@postanimus8989 6 ай бұрын

I still use Audigy 2ZS, and my plan is to keep it until switching to new PC (without PCI) and keep this card for retro games.

@alertol 6 ай бұрын

OMG, still have same videocard, it was almost the best at the time (easy overclocked to 4400+)

@yelowfruit 6 ай бұрын

Phil, how about making a build around the Fujitsu Celsius J550. It's a rare workstation in SFF form able to take full height card. I've just ordered one from a czech refurbishing site, has an i7 6700 and I'm intending to add a GTX 1650, with the purpose of building the Ultimate Windows 7 SFF unit. I've been subscribed to your channel for a while now, and just now it crossed my mind to tell you about this rare germen/japanese gem of engineering, the Celsius J550 (there's also another version, J550/2, I've posted in the Fujitsu subreddit asking what's the difference between the two). All in all I'd appreciate your oppinion about this SFF workstation, especially compared with It's more available competitiond, the HP Z and Dells, Lenovos. Thank you very much Phill for your work. Stay strong.

@philscomputerlab 6 ай бұрын

Haven't heard of it and here in Australia this brand is just not around basically. Great seeing it has a full slot for some nice GPUs!

@AngelSonevski 6 ай бұрын

Clash of legends, the Pentium 4 was ubiquitous in eastern European net cafes until as far as like 2010

@Fahrenheit38 5 ай бұрын

I used to use a core duo for my 98 build but had some nagging stability issues no matter what I did. I dropped down to a socket 478 p4 build and it's been rock sold ever since.

@GalaxianGamer 4 ай бұрын

please do a video on media gx processor compared to a pentium of that time, never had one but would like to see how it felt. it was a budget option and always seemed attractive option in late 90s

@maxhammick948 6 ай бұрын

I quite like that modern CPUs just add more cores at the same speed as you move up the product stack. It means that overclocking doesn't really do much, but it also means that you need to really look hard to find a new CPU that isn't great for gaming.

@philscomputerlab 6 ай бұрын

Yes good point!

@ScottSavageKC7WDG 6 ай бұрын

@philsconputerlab you should do a video on max paynes Easter eggs. Especially the the one where rats get guns.

@mikek92 6 ай бұрын

Have that P4 on an AOpen motherboard, 4gb of ddr2 and a evga 7800GS AGP video card. Running XP 32bit, so it only sees 3.5gb of memory.

@nelizmastr 6 ай бұрын

I was stuck with a 1.7 Willamette Celeron for many years, it served me well.

@infinity2z3r07 6 ай бұрын

Yes hating the P4 seems like a fun little club. I think they still have yearly meetings! 😂

@Vfl666 6 ай бұрын

The p4 was pretty bad but the amd fx cpus where even worse.

@UncommonKnowledge587 6 ай бұрын

I think I had an Athlon at 1.4GHz, in 2002. Didn't give me any trouble at all, if I recall correctly.

@ZeroHourProductions407 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, around this time I was firmly on the AMD side of things. I _think_ my first self-built machine started with an xp 1700+, as it was just the very start of the branding for it. Rather glad that my OEM copy of 98se ran to get me started, but safe to say I jumped onto Windows xp soon after. Pretty much had to... at the time, VIA + SB Audigy meant I was reformatting weekly. nforce was a blessing then. Nowadays, still trying to find a usable nforce2 motherboard to use my xp 3200+ on. Unfortunately there seems to be something wrong with the northbridge on my latest find. It boots and posts just fine, but it fails completely with the *block move* test on memtest, regardless of which memory kit is installed. I know this is not an issue with the cpu because I was able to use the same ram on other motherboards before it fine, and can use those sticks on various Athlon64 boards fine. still got some bigger _adulting_ to sort out first. but keeping an eye out to hopefully have that dream Socket A platform again.

@joaoc_PT 6 ай бұрын

and so, the old saying of the "Pentium deCeleron", remains! PS: two weeks ago built a minipc exactly with that P4, with a x1950 pro graphics and an ESS soundcard, on an msi board. All red on a nice marsgaming white case with clear side cover and RGB!

@pablocattaneo6959 6 ай бұрын

Could you try itx test? that covers from ddr, ddr2 and ddr3. greetings from Argentina.

@lordwiadro83 6 ай бұрын

Ah 2002, the year when I graduated from high school. I was rocking a Duron 900, an ECS K7VZA motherboard, 128 megs of RAM, a GeForce 2 MX 32 MB, a 30 GB drive, and a DVD ROM. All packed in some cheap beige box. And a 15" Hyundai CRT. I understand your passion for Pentium IVs. I have something similar for Durons.

@TylerDurden-oy2hm 6 ай бұрын

interesting...do you know if ECS made cpus??

@farazsworkshop 6 ай бұрын

A customer recently gave me his old mint Northwood Pentium 4 1.8Ghz PC. Not sure what to do with it. Has a dedicated soundcard (although basic) and in really good condition besides the HDs. Thinking of dropping a decent GPU in it and making it an late 90s early 2000s xp gaming machine.

@Super123456789Kuba 6 ай бұрын

That Pentium 4 definitely was a step forward from the first P4s as well as that Celeron 1.7 GHz, which from I saw is even worse than the best Pentium III out there. So easy to say that was P4's (2.8 GHz) Pure Domination with performance to that Celeron. For me Socket A is just pure nostalgia. Even though I had a ThunderBird (Athlon 1100) I do really enjoy my Athlon XP 2000+ PC. There's something charming about it. I probably would go for value with AXP as you said, if I was an adult in 2002. Obviously I don't mind that people are loving P4... For me it is kinda meh, ain't a thing I would rush out and buy for, since I was more intrigued with what the Athlons 64 were capable of doing, which... Probably it was the reason (To my guess, at least.) why Intel had to release the Core 2 Duo Line. 10:25 Funny you say that, in Polish you could say it's Piekarnik 4, which basically means Oven 4, and also the joke is that these two words start with a "P", so that's why some people call it that way in Poland xD I wish you a Merry Christmas, Phil!

@angieandretti 6 ай бұрын

Speaking of PSU's with beefy 5v rails, I'm about to test out tacking-on a 30a 12v-to-5v buck converter onto a modern ATX PSU, probably with some added capacitors across the modded 5v output for extra voltage stability, and I wanna see how this Frankenstein PSU does at powering a retro PC that really needs +5v 30a. You guys think it'll work well?

@philscomputerlab 6 ай бұрын

Good luck!

@soldiersvejk2053 6 ай бұрын

Ah still remembering installing Return to Castle Wolfenstein on a Northwood Celeron 1.7 GHz. It was so slow😂

@tnutz777 6 ай бұрын

hey phil. i recently tried to play descent 2 on my xp machine and the game was so fast it was unplayable. id really enjoy a video dedicated to hard to run games, their requirements and workarounds. ie clearly the core duo is too fast for descent 2. are their work arounds available, and or what is the fastest cpu that is going to give me high compatibility in older titles designed for win98 and dos? i know that you have a setup for dos games, but i dont really understand it too well at this point bc i havnt built a win 98/dos machine yet. im km trying to avoid buyers remorse.

@philscomputerlab 6 ай бұрын

Isn't Decent 2 a DOS game? I remember Descent 3 is for Windows...

@tnutz777 6 ай бұрын

It is, and there is also an official windows port believe it or not. i was wanting to play some descent, but there are not any sourceports for xp that i could easily find. so i tried descent 2 for windows and it just ran way too fast. there are some good sourceports that will work on 7/10 called dxx-rebirth, but all i could find for xp was unstable and crash prone, at least on my machine. I did end up installing descent 3 to scratch the itch in the meanwhile, but it is quite a bit different of an experience. at least it works rather well with nglide.

@philscomputerlab 6 ай бұрын

@@tnutz777 I remember it being fast on a Pentium III so likely that's what you're seeing. It was the first game maybe, I can't fully remember. For such games a Socket 7 machine is really good as you can slow it down. Look out for a Pentium MMX in particular.

@manoftherainshorts9075 6 ай бұрын

My first computer my mom bought me ("for studying", of course, how else, right?) was a Pentium 4@2.93GHz, it had pins and Hyperthreading, so I suspect it was on Socket 478, right? I lost it somehow when it became so slow that I built my second computer on my own and just used Pentium to brush my hair lol

@UCs6ktlulE5BEeb3vBBOu6DQ 6 ай бұрын

Back then I was way too poor. So its been Athlon, Duron and Sempron. Intel in 99-2003 was reserved for the Bourgeoisie.

@supabass4003 6 ай бұрын

Some of AMDs products were all around better designs than Intel's, IMO. I had a Northwood 2.4ghz P4 and later a Barton Athlon XP 2500+. The 2500+ smoked the P4 at 2.4ghz, even with the Athlon at stock 1.83ghz, both in games and synthetic benchmarks, not to mention alot of 2500+ could overclock to 2.2ghz or approximately 3200+ rating out of the box on the stock cooler. This made the Athlon trade blows with Northwood P4 3.06ghz, for about 1/3-1/4 the price. Barton was seriously good and incredible value, you can't say that for many P4s of that era, Intel sold that clockspeed like no tomorrow.

@TheRealHeavyG 6 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more about how reliable the Intel CPUs and boards are compared to AMD stuff of the same era. I love my Socket A system - It's simply one of my favorites, but as a retro system, it loses it's edge because there's no longer any value proposition for Athlon XP vs Pentium 4. They can both be found for very little, with the AMD boards and CPUs becoming more and more difficult to find.

@SolSeal 6 ай бұрын

An interesting game to test in a retro windows 95/98 PC would be “G-Police”. It’s a very interesting space helicopter game 😅. Depending on were you get it it has various patches for different GPU’s.

@philscomputerlab 6 ай бұрын

I remember that game!

@mikavsn 6 ай бұрын

Can anyone give advice please? how to do smooth youtube with this specs, have try with Windows 7 and Xubuntu 16.04 both worse experience cant even play 240p video HP D530 CMT -Pentium 4 2.53 Ghz -Geforce FX 5500 PCI -4GB Ram -128GB SSD

@wertywerrtyson5529 6 ай бұрын

I had the 2.8ghz P4 512kb but it was a lot cheaper in 2003. I don’t remember what it cost but I think around 2500-3000 SEK. Not sure what the dollar was worth back then to do a conversion but I’m guessing around 300 USD.

@szyszka8303 6 ай бұрын

Max Payne: use slow-mo to aim head!

@nasranruwaidi 6 ай бұрын

My first pc was a Celeron 466MHz in 1999. It was a lot cheaper than Pentium II 450 MHz at that time. I pair it with S3 Savage4 graphics card. I wish I have kept that pc.

@mbwoods2001 6 ай бұрын

Since i upgraded the celeron 1.7ghz to a celeron 2.4ghz(i hoped to get a p4 2.4ghz but got a celeron instead), i now have a Northwood p4 2.8ghz 400mhz bus which hopefully it works in the pc as the manual states max p4 2.4/2.6ghz, and only a 400mhz bus speed so im pretty limited here! Lol

@Eyetrauma 6 ай бұрын

I pretend the buzzing is a minimalist techno bgm

@xsc1000 6 ай бұрын

There are also some AthlonXP boards with VIA KT600 chipset that use P4 power supply connection. So you can use modern PSU with them too.

@valkaielod 6 ай бұрын

They are very rare. P4s all have it of course.

@xsc1000 6 ай бұрын

@@valkaielod Yes they are rare. They were built mostly for OEM market. For example Asus A7V600 is standard board with only 20pin ATX connector. But A7V600-F is OEM variant with 20 pin and 4 pin ATX conectors.

@ErrorMessageNotFound 6 ай бұрын

I found Max Payne impossible without bullet time. You want to dive into a room or around a corner, hit bullet time and take them out before they even notice you. I did that for every fight, it's the only way I was able to finish the game. I quit many times in frustration until I figured that out.

@mibnsharpals 6 ай бұрын

It's an unfair test to compare a 1.7 GHz processor with a 2.8... so about 65% more computing power. But what you can see is that the larger cache makes a big difference when fragmented data has to be loaded. There is also an advantage that the P4 actually supports dual channel, which should give it about 30% more memory bandwidth). But purely in terms of computing power, both cores are equally good. I don't know now whether the board is able to change the divider factor, if so, the test should be repeated with a lower multiplier of the P4 in order to remain serious.

@Matt08719801 6 ай бұрын

in 2004 i was rocking a emachines t2894 oem which was a ( circuit city ) (RIP) exclusive model it had a socket 478 intel 865 chipset and a celeron D prescott 330 , no agp just pci slots lol so i went to a local computer store and bought a nvidia fx 5500 pny graphics card pci edition , doom 3 would run about 15 fps on a good day , Guild wars when it came out i might could get 25 in low player areas which back then were rare as it launched in 2005 and had a huge player base then , i stuck with it till 2006 as my daily driver it was torture honestly looking back yet i kept the board and cpu and its currently in one of my closets along with a pile of old motherboards still working but in theory i believe its due to it being so slow it never had to work all that hard lol.

@Matt08719801 6 ай бұрын

also have the original case its been repurposed with a acer ecs 1155 motherboard and a core i5 2300 with a gtx 650 , operating system wise its still XP just sp4 Pro instead of SP2 home which the socket 478 setup came with . i enjoy it a lot more now in its sleeper form lol

@philscomputerlab 6 ай бұрын

Boards without AGP are so restrictive...

@kitzibu 6 ай бұрын

Regarding recommendations: ever tried Requiem? It is a pretty good but not great shooter where you play as an angel. You can shoot guns as well as cast spells like turning your enemies into SALT 🙂