Not in the market for this throttle (at the moment) but had to click the review when I saw it was you. Very interesting and a great review as always, well done and thanks!

Love these! I had the F18 with the Orion2 base and had to get the F15EX and damn... it's a game changer when flying the A10CII or the KA-50. The extra buttons really come into play for those modules. Love the whole Winwing ecosystem.

Incredible review RedKite, truly love your work mate. Looking forward to more stock coming, I've pre-ordered one of each. Always great seeing a KZfaq notification of a new RedKite video :0). Cheers mate, hope you're doing well.

Thank you for the review! Can't wait till mine gets shipped.....it'll be a nice upgrade from my 15yr old saitek cessna throttle quadrant lol

Nice review! A buddy of mine just informed me there is another choice you have for the airbrake in DCS which lets you push it once, letting the button go but the airbrake still goes all the way in again even though you don´t hold it down anymore. That is a good enough work around for me. Best regards.

Proportional respons of vibration to spread brake extend is a cool feature

Nice video Redkite , Winwing are a good option although I did have issues with my F18C stick I bought from them last year. I found the attachment from stick too the base was a bit of an issue such that the pins inside the connectors broke which caused some agitation. I’m still trying to resolve the issue with Winwing. That said the Orion 2 throttles are excellent and have great versatility

Greetings and thanks for the video. You've mentioned some community sites where one can download a binding profile. I was trying to find any yet perhaps being completely new to the scene I wasn't able to find any. I'm on MSFS and have just started taking lessons :) with a hope to one day switch from Cessna to F16.

Hi there, just got my new gemini base an F-15E grips an to anybody wondering the left grip now has💯 full functionality when i first plugged in no left grip at all did the quick very simply firmware update restart the software an bam all buttons an axis work as expected even the vibration on both grips works .. P.S i got the standard connecter's as i don't really use fast movers an i didn't think the gemini base would have the stop/start detent bindabul-(totally a word🤣) buttons .it dose so if your a cloud surfer an your looking at this as cheaper option get the fingerlift connecters . Anyway completely happy with it an as stated fully💯 functional💢💢

Good luck getting one. Had throttle grip on backorder for over a month with no news on when it's going to be in stock

Great review! I'm still a bit disappointed they didn't include built-in bindable finger lifts seeing how it's a unique and essential function in the F-15 startup procedure. But I think I'll get over that. The hard part is I want something versatile for multiple aircraft like the EX but the lack of speed brake switch is surprisingly my hangup to switching from my current F-18 grips. But I really am tempted by the extra in-line buttons for things like Track-IR recenter.

great video man, Was wondering if you've had any plans to maybe do a video on what binds you use for what with the Orion 2 stuff. Ofc not for every air craft but just as a general idea as to what is good to use for certain stuff. Thanks in advance :)

The F/A-18 handles seem more ergonomical to me, and better in line with my main aircraft (Tomcat) with the 2 4-way hats on the side for wing sweep and radio, a proper speed brake switch, and the 2 button PAL and uncage buttons plus the external light pinky switch.

Great review, I was wondering if you would be doing a review on the Orion2 MFSSB Version Base and stick for the F-16?

Hi Redkite! First off, thank you for the phenomenal and in-depth review. I know how much work goes into these videos and it is greatly appreciated. I do have one question. As someone that currently uses a potato of a HOTAS and has no real experience with TM Warthog, Winwing etc...Would it be safe to assume that I would be able to comfortably bind all the A-10 controls to the F-15E throttle? I use the A-10 as an example as it appears to be the most demanding in terms of 'essential' bindings. The 'E' varient would probably be my choice given the speed brake limitation. Thank you again and have a great weekend! :)

Just picked up the 15EX throttle and 16EX stick combo with the finger lifts. Pretty awesome for its price point. My only gripe is the stupid afterburner detent, mine is SUUUUPER slick so I can't even feel the afterburner detent. I took some sandpaper to it to rough it up a bit and give it more resistance, but they really need to re-think their fingerlift and detent design. Its such a shame. They should offer a free upgrade to it, with as poorly designed as it is IMO.

Love ASMR button pressing at the end. 😅 (Rest of the vid was great, too!)

Beautiful throttle. Any plans to continue your tutorial series on the Mirage F1? Your videos on the C variant are second to none and the F1EE certainly has some quirks to work out. 😅

Was thinking about getting one of these, but the issue where the rotary encoders have to operate as multi-stage switches is honestly a major turnoff. Is it much of an issue?

I'm a bit confused by the part about the gray pinky radar wheel and the limitation of how many total axes can be set up in the config software. Am I correct that if I were to use that axis, I could not use the 2 levers on the right side of the throttle base as axes, or does it just happen that your setup uses those in a button configuration? Edit - looked again. I see that it takes up a rotary encoder slot / channel. OK I can live with that. Love my old HOTAS Orion F-18 stuff (especially speedbrake) but could really use those EX buttons for A-10, F-15, F-16.

I currently still have a TWCS throttle that I paid $88 CAD ($58 USD) new, and works fine. I fly mostly helicopters, but also the F18, F16, Harrier, and A10. I have no interest in buying the F15 or F14 atm. Knowing this, would I still be best getting the F15E throttle just for compatibility with all planes? Would you still suggest the F15E over the EX? The EX will cost me about $33 more right now ($364 vs $331 CAD).

hi there , where find a good profile shaking please ? i dont find it .

So i've got the Orion 1 and really like the physical detents of it. However I really like the EX grips. I know that currently the left grip does not fully work with the Orion 1 and you lose some functionality there. Is this something they plan to fix at some point... or are us Orion 1 guys just left behind?

Question. I own the Orion 2 with the F16 throttle (that has the side rail as well due to the F16 side throttle method). I don't want to buy another throttle base. You think it would be a simple 5 minute swap from the F16 winwing thottle handle to the F15e? I do fly both planes so I plan on swapping some times

I'm not convinced I want to give up Warthog's speed break, especially that I need a 5-way hat for radio. But it looks nice...

Do the throttle flap switches to enable engine just like in the real F-15e (are they mapped as buttons?) or are they simply used to physically lock throttle in off/on modes

I have the EX grip and Orion 2 and honestly kinda wish I got the Virpil CM3 or the Stecs. I've had a few issues with the buttons, I've had lots of issues recently where it just disconnects from my pc while im playing dcs, the lock to hold the 2 throttles together took over a week to wear in to the point it was usable with one hand, I prefer the customization I can do in the virpil and vkb software (I have virpil rudder pedals and a vkb joystick), and the Orion 2 base is kinda awkwardly laid out imo. I have never tried the CM3 but if someone has one and they want to trade.......... I didn't think I'd like the motors but honestly, they provide information I otherwise wouldn't have, like when a weapon comes off the rail in some aircraft, or in the huey it tells you the moment you enter transitional lift. Kinda useful, not necessary, but nice. Also at 2:54, to hear you say "roll on over to the right" and see the jet roll left upset my brain lol

I'm reluctant to order the EX solely due to the speed brake switch. I'm curious how hard is it to 'swap out' these switches. I'll totally pay a premium If someone manages to create such a modification kit.

Bit disappointed to hear the antenna elevation wheel on the side isn't a return-to-center type, I don't think any other reviewers have brought that up. The pinkie hat thing is unusual, seems like winwing can't decide on when it's appropriate to diverge from the real thing or not- The F-16 grip has that 5 way hat above the manual range knob that makes it difficult to use the knob, but now they won't diverge from the real button design to make it more usable. Either way, looks neat, but I think I'm sticking with my F-16 grip for now.

When you compare the packaging of the units to their price tag, it's indecent.

Thanks for the review. As much crap as people give Thrustmaster for being "overpriced", they don't typically include controls that are hard to realistically access and don't actuate cleanly (user knows what they are trying to do, and easily knows that they successfully did it). This throttle + grip had the promise to be a universally flexible dual throttle grip competing with the CM3, but when you have controls that are a bit too difficult to use, too sloppy to use right, or hard to know you're using right it's not very useful. Space simmers especially won't like it, and mil simmers may have a use if it's at least works well enough to assign something like SRS radio channel control or push to talk. I like my F-16EX as a right hand grip / TEDAC for AH-64D, but frankly for A-10C and F-16C usage, the TMS switch (the most common switch) is not crisp compared to the TM Warthog at all. Activating it is maybe easy enough to confirm, but coming off of the click back to center does not give the proper feedback at all making multiple presses something I need to spend extra mental cycles confirming in the sim/jet because I cannot feel it. I'm glad you're a reviewer who points this out. As it stands, TM has a better F-16 throttle than Winwing because it didn't add functionality to the grip that players find really difficult to use.

They can’t manage to keep current products in stock. Why the hell would they develop something else they can’t keep in stock? Just saying.

I like that thoigh, if Inwant to look down with the radar I wouldn't want it popping back up on me.

So you totally lose function of certain knobs on the base with the EX grip, or is this merely the Windows 32 button limit and does not apply to games that can handle more buttons?

I still think the warthog with a warBRD base is still king

this is great but only if Winwing would sell the damn thing!! Its been on the website store for over a month that says either out of stock or available for pre ordering its in the website but not available at all. Also WINWING get a dam Z-axis please. I cannot fly my Apache because I have no way to control the tail rotor! Its been Months that its been out of stock. And before everyone screams "get pedals" i have a leg disability that wont allow me to use them! Winwing sucks at having product which is why im switching to Virpil because that have Z axis on stick and always has product available!!

Can you disable the vibration motors ?

Is this actually available to buy? I am considering it, but the webpage is an absolute mess and also says it is only available for pre-order.

(update: multiple real WSOs have confirmed the real thing IS actually self-centering, so WW did it wrong.) Wondering what's the source of the pinky radar elevation wheel on the real one being self-centered/spring loaded like the one on the F-18? The way the wheel is described in the "POH"s of both 15E(1993) and A~D looks like it's not the 18 style but the 16 style to me. And there is a video showing the real grips of 15A/C on bilibili confirming it. Can any Eagle driver/maintainer shed some light on this topic?

WW should take some lessons from VKB, whos soft neglects windows limitations.

I don't understand why they just don't split the throttle into two virtual devices to handle all the axes. What's the problem with that? From the game perspective it doesn't matter.

I don't intent to buy this at all, but the switch ASMR was worth it watching till the end :)

Are you only doing sponsored reviews now?

I really don’t see the point in vibrating a throttle 🫤. Just unnecessary complications added to a already complicated stick. I will stick to my Warthog. Thanks for sharing 🙃🙃👍🏻👍🏻

I don’t know what you’re talking about regarding the “lack of a dedicated air brake switch” - ITS RIGHT THERE AT THE TOP! @05:16. It’s exactly the same as all the other air brake switches - it’s the circular fwd/centre/back momentary light grey switch. Are you crazy or was it a brain fart day?

R zed we aren't yanks

I had a question i want the buttons of the f-15ex and the speed brake of the f-15e but i dont want to buy both is there any way to make that 5 way hat on the f-15ex where the speed brake should be is there any way to make that into a speed brake button. so like if i push it forward it will keep that input untill i push that air brake retract input but keep the use of the other 3 inputs in that 5 way hat, is there anyway to do that or no @RedKiteRender