Wisdom of Ecclesiastes • Wisdom Ep. 3

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Жыл бұрын

In this episode, Tim and Jon begin their discussion on the book of Ecclesiastes. This is an interesting book in Scripture, and the author is relentlessly trying to get the reader to rethink their black and white mindset. It can be a bit depressing to read, and it doesn’t quite give you the same type of feel-good wisdom that the book of Proverbs does. The guys will try to get at what this book is trying to teach us and what the author thinks it means to live a good and godly life.

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@thotsaboutGod Жыл бұрын

I'm glad Tim mentioned humility towards the end. I've concluded this is the bottom line of what God is after. When we think we're wise we realize we still know very little. This is what Job concluded. It is a humbling process to realize and recognize that God is God and we are not. This is the reversal of believing the lie Adam bought into that we can be our own god.

@devonpeters9458 Жыл бұрын

This is great. Well said. Humility and trust that leads to loving obedience

@maggielaw6320 10 ай бұрын

Well said, thank you for comments.

@authoritarianwesley3772 3 ай бұрын

Well said

@solemnsolace8046 Жыл бұрын

My favorite book, helped me realize what's really important and that all material things at the end is just vanity

@shawnsmith3531 Жыл бұрын

Totally agree!! Naked we came in, naked we go out!

@Whatsdogpee Жыл бұрын

42 min in. “Yeah, listen. We’re just in verse 2 of the book.” Oh praise the Word every line every verse, a universe of depth. :D

@moneyhooligan03 Жыл бұрын

Vanity = self absorption = absurdity/futility... Maybe if we think of ourselves as vessels made by the potter & we are full of ourselves than we're actually empty & to attempt to learn anything turns out to be meaningless or absurd.

@cuebj 7 ай бұрын

May, or may not be, a valid point on its own. But irrelevant to this topic. HVL is not 'vanity' as so many English translations have it. Maybe, back in 1600 CE England, 'vanity' had a meaning like 'smoke', 'vapour', etc. If so, its meaning has changed.

@SquizzMe Жыл бұрын

I believe "vanity" is related to "vain", as in "It was all in vain". It means 'pointless', or 'may as well not have happened'. Also, I think the closest word we have, in English, to the concept of "hevel" is "vapid". It is actually derived from the same source as "vapor" and similarly means 'unsubstantial' or 'offering no substance". I love Ecclesiastes.

@alexandrepoisson9688 11 ай бұрын

Myst. For « Hevel », maybe a translation to the word « myst » would be fitting, also as in « mystery » . So, capturing both meanings of « smoke » and « absurd ». What do you think?

@bryceneuberger3460 Жыл бұрын

Can't wait to hear Job! Ecclesiastes and Job (and Hosea) have become really important to me in this long season of loss I've been in.

@rosemarietolentino3218 Жыл бұрын

Philippians 4 to be at peace even when suffering need. Hebrews 4 enter into Jesus rest.

@moneyhooligan03 Жыл бұрын

If all good & bad are hevel/smoke or vapor in this existence then it really highlights faith, gratitude, & temperance. Cool juxtaposition of how the material world can be a super real hallucination & how the spiritual is much more real than we often believe it to be.

@smileysnubz Жыл бұрын

Love this take

@MiniLinlin 9 ай бұрын

"Super real hallucination" hahah, love it! ♡

@BazookaSniper Жыл бұрын

I think "mirage" is a close English cousin. You can see it, but when you go to it, it's gone.

@Steppin2theAM Жыл бұрын

This is such a necessary study. It flips the tables on prosperity gospel and “name it and claim it” culture. It even runs head long into apologetics defense of the problem of evil. This is good.

@Killbilly31 Жыл бұрын

I believe the author is simply saying hevel, hevel, because everything we do as human beings is temporary. From simple survival, all the way up to entertainment and power struggles amongst ourselves, is going to fade away and be replaced by the next person who wants to control "their" world. God has the ultimate say on everything and following his ways is as close as we will ever get to true fulfillment in this flesh.

@owusu-quansahk.daniel6455 Жыл бұрын

My grandmother once said something with no assurance what so ever, promised to be taken along, to heaven

@briankelly1240 Жыл бұрын

This is great. Ecclesiastes is my favorite book!

@missmelissa1605 Жыл бұрын

Me too! It's freeing in a way to know that no matter how hard you try, what you do, what you know, it's only about your relationship with God and that is a beautiful thing

@rickspalding3047 Жыл бұрын

Says all the people with very little issues and no pain issues, inflammation etc

@barrywhite36 9 ай бұрын

I love the wisdom books . Obsessed with them and read everyday . I want these teachings and principles drummed into my brain so I can live it out

@cecilramos5901 Жыл бұрын

Here in Thailand...and I gotta say that we serve those in Southeast Asia as we are making disciples and planting churches. These videos are so informative and inspiring.

@AWKW777 Жыл бұрын

Definitely a interesting book of the Bible!😊

@VEXF0R Жыл бұрын

So today I finally knew what God wanted me to do i felt a aha moment and was so excited for it . I need to seek for wisdom like king solomon but first in for most it need to be done with a heart after yahweh ways and instructions I believe much is at hand oh my I dunno what coming next but guys god is so good he scary but he's also cool.!! Praise God I will sing to all the nations about your just way adonai

@CristinaTreace Жыл бұрын

I love The Bible Project. I also love the book you all sent me a few years ago. God is sovereign, I have many experiences that brought me to a point of complete humility. My daughter was diagnosed with Hodgkins Lymphoma in October, she is 18. She is getting better but when faced with this, my first thought was , what did I do wrong? My question was misguided, then I began focusing on who God is and his reality, and my relationship with him, and looked at my life , the faith of my daughter and her courage that God gave her , brought me to my knees, so God is good , even when we have these hard moments.

@linak7155 Жыл бұрын

Wonderful testimony of abiding faith n God's trustworthiness! 🙏

@countofmontecrypto6352 10 ай бұрын

The reference to smoke, vanity, etc are talking about ‘fixed definitions’. The wisdom books are talking about establishing context rather than simply applying formulas or fixed definitions. Human experiences are like smoke, the appearance can be one thing but the internal meaning can be multiple things.

@histiming144 Жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed this discussion on Ecclesiastes, thank you.

@JoshuaMO33 Жыл бұрын

Everything under the sun is Hebel. Only thing worth pursuit is God alone. Reminds me of Galatians 5:24 “those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh along with its passions and desires”

@trinandrealewis001 Жыл бұрын

Amen ❤️ 🙏🏾 ❤️ Thank you for sharing your thoughts and beep studies. This was good.

@terrorists-are-among-us 11 ай бұрын

I love how these concepts have been incorporated into other works but strange how people don't notice or value them for anything other than the superficial.

@ikkinwithattitude Жыл бұрын

It seems like a literal translation would best retain all the allegorical implications of the original word. "Smoke, smoke, everything is smoke - merely chasing the wind." Smoke also suggests pollution and occlusion of the solid things underneath. It gets in your eyes and makes it hard to breathe, like the uncomfortable observations of the Teacher. The suffering of the good and the success of the evil are a lot like a nasty cloud of poison smoke in that way.

@RonGunsolus Жыл бұрын

Always appreciate your work!

@tea4223 Жыл бұрын

Wow! Just wow! What a great lesson. Thank you.

@calligman2844 Жыл бұрын

Actually one of my favorite scripts. It’s very relative to today.

@unmaskingpurpose 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for all yall do

@dha2464 Жыл бұрын

Did I hear right this cast is originally from 2016? Was it released back then as well? Just don't recall hearing it before. Great conclusions!

@keithsrepairinc1608 Жыл бұрын

June 2016 BibleProject podcast

@susanna6978 Жыл бұрын

I’m wondering if all is hevel because in the beginning we weren’t meant to do this in the first place? We were suppose to rule with God in the garden. That’s why it’s never going to be worth much except like a testing ground where we choose God over materialism that gets burned in judgement anyway. It’s like a tragic story where we blew it in the garden and we’re all trying to save ourselves because that’s what we chose in the garden but it will never be lasting or workout because that wasn’t the original plan but God says , well okay , this is what you guys chose but it will end up being hevel . But you still have a soul and I will save you so all is not lost.

@TheCreepypro 7 ай бұрын

may we know Lord that even if wisdom fails us that you never will and that it is all part of your plan!

@Carlos.Santiago Жыл бұрын

This was so enriching!

@carlosbaker6267 Жыл бұрын

We all have our own purpose and mission

@anal.mendoza Жыл бұрын

Hi John and Tim, Blessings from Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic! Ecclesiastes is a book that talks about day life issues!

@L.Akosua Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for elaborating on this book, which was always a mystery to me 😄🙌

@msjuicyca1980 Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@carlosbaker6267 Жыл бұрын

I see as God showing us that, because it worked for me doesn’t mean it will work for you.

@cuebj 7 ай бұрын

The reference to Song of Songs regarding authorship is good. I tend to say the title could be any one of four: A song consisting of songs about Solomon; A song consisting of songs by Solomon; The best song about Solomon; The best song by Solomon. Then I plump for 'Solomon! The Musical', which equates to the first of my four options. It gets people's attention. There's a tendency to think of Solomon starting well but going bad. Read carefully, the text shows disapproval pretty much from the start

@skellingtonmeteoryballoon Жыл бұрын

The Messiah has set me free from that malignant hassatan. Iron wont cleave with a clay footstool.

@mcspankie2010 Жыл бұрын

I think everything point toSolomon its a fascinating book and I coincidentally just started study on it last week!

@Boxing31 10 ай бұрын

I’m not sure I’ve ever heard anyone lump in Elihu with the other 3 friends. It wasn’t a bet either. It was a test, but more of a recorded example for the rest of us. “Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.” ‭‭James‬ ‭5‬:‭11‬ ‭

@alexandrepoisson9688 11 ай бұрын

Myst. For « Hevel », maybe a translation to the word « myst » would be fitting, also as in « mystery » . So, capturing both meanings of « smoke » and « absurd ». What do you think?

@ruthie_chie Жыл бұрын

I love this wisdom series. So much ❤. However I do think that the teacher does sometimes mean life is meaningless because, an example being Ecc 4:1-3 ‘I saw the tears of the oppressed- and they have no comforter; power was on the side of their oppressors- and they have no comforter. 2 And I declared that the dead, who had already died, are happier than the living, who are still alive. 3 But better than both is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun.’

@cuebj 7 ай бұрын

More 'unfathomable within my range of experience and knowledge' rather than 'meaningless' as an assertion

@rosemarietolentino3218 Жыл бұрын

In the Apocrypha the book of Sarach originally (Ecclesiastesticus) is like a continuation of Ecclesiastes. Answering even more Heval from the Bible.

@mimosapudica9742 Жыл бұрын

if you've read Fahrenheit 451, this was the book that our Guy Montag memorized ❤

@Californialife24 Жыл бұрын

I enjoy your guys video but I would to come on the show I can speak to your followers & ppl who listen to this show & show & teach them in a way where god has blessed me to teach & I know the viewers will understand what I say because I have a unique way of teaching about the truth & gods words not religion but real truth in ways in real life.

@mwmann3684 Жыл бұрын

"Vanity" also means, "in vain" , in present-day English. Aka "for nothing" "for naught".👍

@nathancoombes6773 26 күн бұрын

Amazing

@carlosbaker6267 Жыл бұрын

I always thought it was David and Solomon

@izzymuse1957 Жыл бұрын

Idk if these episodes are all made already but the difference in volume between the talking and the music can be a bit jarring

@cooljtoosaucy Жыл бұрын

God loves you, repent and follow Jesus Christ❤️✝️🙏🏾❤️

@jesusistherealdeal478 Жыл бұрын

Hi please pray for my mind I keep hearing voices

@brandonaservantofmercy8561 Жыл бұрын

Praying for you, for peace of mind, and for the fullness of the Holy Spirit to protect and guide you. It is okay to seek professional help as well, God equips doctors to help us

@jesusistherealdeal478 Жыл бұрын

@@brandonaservantofmercy8561 thank you

@rosemarietolentino3218 Жыл бұрын

If you have died to self, vanity shows that you have not! You are doing things for yourself and not the Kingdom of Heaven.

@nedflanders7352 Жыл бұрын

Sea turtles are super cool. I know these videos are behind in dates.. but keep up the good fight and stay strong Brian.

@ramborenegadephantom9434 Жыл бұрын

Song of Songs next please!

@theearthisfallingtheskyisl4801 Жыл бұрын

State of mind etcz

@musemintsvloghaulreactions1460 Жыл бұрын

I feel like hebel could mean unpredictable than what was described. Life is a gamble and things can be given or taken away from you by the choices we make whether it's good or bad. But honestly, I would just translate it Vapor. Smoke, Everything is vapor and smoke. Then just put a footnote down.

@rayhchc6451 Жыл бұрын

You should inform your audience this is audio ONLY. Not ALL podcasts are created equal 😉😉😉😇😇😇

@rosemarietolentino3218 Жыл бұрын

In Ecclesiastes 6 KJV, NIV, Living Bible, Revised Standard. They all say that there is a Evil that comes with wealth.

@rachelleruotolo Жыл бұрын

That verse chapter 1:16 might hint to it being King Josiah.

@bensacho5124 Жыл бұрын

Solomon repented in his later years and ended up writing Ecclesiastes

@kellykade Жыл бұрын

That's what I thought. Or I just hope to believe it, I would like to think he died knowing the Lord, I thought he followed the ways of his father David, doing good in the eyes of the Lord.( sometimes) I know he fell off but I thought he came back.

@bensacho5124 Жыл бұрын

And plus….The record states: “Who can say, ‘I have kept my heart pure; I am clean and without sin’? ‘Surely there is no righteous man on earth who does good and never sins.’ ‘Everything else Solomon did while he was king is written in the records of Nathan the prophet, Ahijah the prophet from Shiloh, and Iddo the prophet who wrote about Jeroboam son of Nebat.” ‭‭2 Chronicles‬ ‭9‬:‭29‬ ‭CEV‬‬ Just like Jesus: ‘If every one of them [every act or words] were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written. “When your people sin against you - and there is no one who does not sin - and in your anger you let their enemies defeat them and take them as prisoners to some other land, even if that land is far away, listen to your people's prayers. If there in that land they repent and pray to you, confessing how sinful and wicked they have been, hear their prayers, O LORD.” ‭‭2 Chronicles‬ ‭6‬:‭36‬-‭37‬ ‭GNBDC‬‬

@shawnsmith3531 Жыл бұрын

This book and JOB always hit home for me after leaving the Army. The only thing worth doing besides raising your children and taking care of your family is living for Yahweh. Everything else is useless and for entertainment IMO. Blessings.

@owusu-quansahk.daniel6455 Жыл бұрын

Brothers, going back to the source would be another issue because in my language, all the term you have there sum up to one word (Ahuhude)

@user-ds8fl4sd4v Жыл бұрын

한글 자막도 넣어주세요!

@erojoseph604 Жыл бұрын

Is it just me or the KZfaq ads on these videos are getting too much. It's really breaking the flow for me

@OneOfMyriads Жыл бұрын

No more animations? 🥺

@EMMANUEL24519 Жыл бұрын

❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

@EMMANUEL24519 Жыл бұрын

💖💖💖💙💙💙

@aaronargottelopez3488 7 ай бұрын

❤

@liltwix3010 Жыл бұрын

We shall not worship false idols

@rosemarietolentino3218 Жыл бұрын

If it’s not for the Kingdom of Heaven it won’t last it’s for your own vanity which makes it meaningless. Showing you that you have not died to self and taken up Jesus cross like Simon did for a time.

@GuillermosBazaarFinds 3 ай бұрын

💨🍃

@annwilton3170 Жыл бұрын

Have you an answer to your final question on this podcast?

@rosemarietolentino3218 Жыл бұрын

There are 12 Mysteries of God written in 27 verses in the Bible. Along with the 5 crowns.

@markwright3161 Жыл бұрын

Smoke. Real but ungraspable (not a word, but it makes sense to me), not possible to grasp. You can grasp (grab hold of) physical things, and you can grasp (understand) concepts.

@owusu-quansahk.daniel6455 Жыл бұрын

How about that

@torhedin 8 күн бұрын

Salomon maight have repended in old age. The Ecclesiastes indicate that - both tradition and the most logical answer is that Salomon wrote the book.

@new_comment Жыл бұрын

It concerns me that they categorize other "religions" with true Christianity. "Religions" that worship idols, that elevate sinful humans and try to make them equal too the Lord, too the Holy Trinity. That pray to the spirits of men & women in the heavenly realm, in place of the the Most High God, through His Son, Christ Jesus. Jesus the Christ, who is the ONLY mediator between God and man. Catholicism is not Christianity. This is not directly related to this video, but in general to comments from the podcast. We as Christians should be praying for those deceived bye Catholicism and sharing the true Gospel with them.

@rickspalding3047 Жыл бұрын

So, life sucks, good to know

@opuschannel4194 Жыл бұрын

So we’re saying God is a liar or inconsistent or incompetent deity?

@LionBenJudah44 Жыл бұрын

NO SUCH THING AS A GAY CHRISTIAN, THE BIBLE IS CLEAR ABOUT SEXUAL IMMORALITY. PLEASE FIX YOUR TEACHINGS ON THIS.

@dd41283 Жыл бұрын

Just learned Bible project advocates for homosexuality. How tragic.

@DigzGuy Жыл бұрын

Really?

@bensacho5124 Жыл бұрын

Did you ask them to verify that statement. Or are you bearing false witness against thy neighbor or judging .

@mohammadabrar6006 Жыл бұрын

"The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was no more than a messenger of Allah"

@ryanjuanico4498 Жыл бұрын

"Messiah Jesus, son of David, son of Mary, and son of Joseph, is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation, for by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities---all things were created through him and for him, and he is before all things, and in him all things hold together."

@shawnsmith3531 Жыл бұрын

If you're looking for a fight, you came to the wrong place. I pray the Holy Spirit fill you with Truth and Love.

@bensacho5124 Жыл бұрын

That name Allah is nowhere to be found in the scriptures. That is adding and taking away from the pure words of scripture. @ Mohammed