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WIYB Tool Maker's Collaboration - Screwless Vise Plans

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Tom Zelickman

Tom Zelickman

Күн бұрын

In this video we cover the plans for the screwless vise made by KZfaq contributors for Keith Fenner's What's in Your Box giveaway.
Download the archived files here: www.dropbox.co...
What's in Your Box: turnwrightmachi...
Contributors associated with this project: (Let me know if I missed someone!)
Adam Booth: Abom79 / abom79
Brad Jacobs: Basement Shop Guy
/ basementshopguy
James Green: Eagle Dustoff 37
/ eagledustoff36
John Saunders: NYCCNC / saunixcomp
Keith Fenner: Turn Wright Machine Works / kef791
Keith Rucker : Keith Rucker VintageMachinery.org
/ ksruckerowwm
ShadonHKW: Stan Zinkosky Bar 'Z' Industrial / shadonhkw
Tom Lipton: OxToolco / oxtoolco

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@Abom79
@Abom79 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting this together Tom. I'll share it and the links on my channel for all those who asked me about it.
@TomZelickman
@TomZelickman 8 жыл бұрын
Sorry it took so long to post, Adam. Glad to do It though!
@TomZelickman
@TomZelickman 8 жыл бұрын
You had the hard work, I'd say. Glad I could give some of my time though!
@jerrylong381
@jerrylong381 8 жыл бұрын
There is a reason for the grinding relief to be a radius. You do not want sharp internal corners on parts that will be heat treated! This creates a stress point, that is prone to Crack during heat treat.
@TomZelickman
@TomZelickman 8 жыл бұрын
+Jerry Long Thanks, Jerry! I'm not certain they did heat treat these parts, to be honest. I wondered about stress risers in general. Would using a slitting saw with a corner radius alleviate that issue do you think? Best wishes, Tom
@jerrylong381
@jerrylong381 8 жыл бұрын
Any radius is better than none. Of course the full radius would be preferable. That being said, you may get by with sharp corners and never have issue. But after putting all the time into machining, the expense of tool steal. Why take a chance on it cracking on the second to last operation?
@ericfehrman
@ericfehrman 3 жыл бұрын
On the relief of the non-movable jaw... Leave the radius. Sharp corners in hardened tool steels is a "no-no". It introduces a sharp stress point and could be prone to cracking over time.
@TomZelickman
@TomZelickman 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Eric - Thanks for watching. You are absolutely right and when we machined the part we made sure not to leave sharp edges there. It's been a long time since I've even thought about this drawing and you've got me thinking about going back and doing it better; perhaps with a removable fixed jaw as well for easier production. Any other suggestions? Best wishes - Tom Z
@lumpygasinavacuum8449
@lumpygasinavacuum8449 5 жыл бұрын
On the vise the first rectangle cut you remodeled can be drilled to make that radius. You know right under the hard jaw side of the vise. Then you can get a full radius and not risk cracking during heat treat. The reliefs for the soft jaw or movable should be cut with a radius end mill. But the hard jaw side needs the radius do to clamping force being applied over a lifetime.
@TomZelickman
@TomZelickman 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I’ve wanted to redo that whole design for years now. Guess I should do that!
@Za7a7aZ
@Za7a7aZ 4 жыл бұрын
I vulenteered for buying the screw... Really wanted to take Adams part but hey...Abom needs to learn...lol
@r.j.382
@r.j.382 8 жыл бұрын
Tom, nice model. I haven't downloaded it yet and started playing with it. The best suggestion that I can give you for making you models more parametrically (is that a word) correct is to make modifications to your design to flex your constraints and see what they do. What I am saying is to make your first sketch, then start adding additional features. Next go back and change a dimension or two in the primary sketch. Do the children react the way you expected? Or did they fail all together? This will make you define your constraints better when you start. I know it sounds basic, but I find it helps. Fusion 360 is much more forgiving than the software that I learned on and you can finish a sketch with less than ideal constrains. And that all works fine if you don't have to move or change things later. Example, if you want a circle in the middle of a block, you can dimension from two sides to the center of the circle. Then if you modify the block, the circle stays in the same absolute place. If you create two construction likes from corner to corner and draw the circle at the intersection then when the original block is modified the circle will move with the parent model. And thanks again for the model. I am just starting to learn Fusion 360 so this will be a big help for me looking at other models. R.J.
@TomZelickman
@TomZelickman 8 жыл бұрын
+Abc Defg Thank you very much for the tips! It's taken a little time to wrap my head around the idea of using constraints and relationships but I'm getting much better at that with practice. I like the idea of being able to change one part of the sketch and the rest of the model also changes accordingly. Makes life a whole lot easier! Appreciate any other tips and tricks you come up with along the way and thanks for watching. Sincerely, Tom Z
@kylegreen3728
@kylegreen3728 8 жыл бұрын
I had made 1 of these and I had put a slot down the side of the base the same width as your pin holes. that way you can clamp it from the side if you need to
@TomZelickman
@TomZelickman 8 жыл бұрын
I've seen that as well, Kyle. I've been toying with ideas for a variation of this one and that's on the list as an updated feature. Anything else you might do differently? I was thinking about a detachable fixed head so you can start with smaller stock. Also a fixed pin with a wider cutout in the base to just slide into the notches. Best wishes, Tom Z
@kylegreen3728
@kylegreen3728 8 жыл бұрын
A detachable fixed head would be a good idea how you said to use smaller stock but over time might wear more. Is there plans on heat treating it?
@TomZelickman
@TomZelickman 8 жыл бұрын
I'll have to defer to others on the team for that one. I believe the parts were heat treated and then ground to final dimensions. That would be my preference as well. Have you watched the other build videos? How about the grinding prank they played on Brad? Gotta love these guys... So I'm open to other suggestions on the design though. Glad to get them drawn up and made available to everyone as well. I could use the practice too. I typically do everything in either 2-D or paper and pencil so this was all new for me. Best wishes, Tom Z
@andregagnon3627
@andregagnon3627 5 жыл бұрын
Merci pour les plans :) Thank you for your plans.
@logicalapprentice.4874
@logicalapprentice.4874 8 жыл бұрын
Looks awesome man. I need to crack open my 360 and give it a try. Next time do your sketch plane from the front face. Extrude the square cut through all. Then extrude the grind relief up to the fixed jaw from front to back. That would eliminate the added chamfer. On the reliefs for the clamp, could you draw one then mirror it about a construction line?
@TomZelickman
@TomZelickman 8 жыл бұрын
+Logical Apprentice. Thanks, Chuck. So many ways to get this drawn better than what I did the first time. I'd like to blame it on all of the post-surgery pain meds but it was really lack of experience on my part. I'll just have to keep practicing! Best wishes, Tom Z
@logicalapprentice.4874
@logicalapprentice.4874 8 жыл бұрын
Looks awesome man. There will always be more ways to do it and IMO none are wrong. It's the end result that matters. Besides, I know guys with just as much experience as you who could not draw it. Be proud my friend ahaha
@petermenningen338
@petermenningen338 8 жыл бұрын
Great drawing I was looking for a baseline to work from to model a Shars vise as a fixture for our Taig Mill We have two sizes in the Makerspace and having them modeled as fixtures will help on collision avoidance. Our Makerspace is Maui Makers which is a non-profit and our Mill is on loan
@TomZelickman
@TomZelickman 8 жыл бұрын
+Peter Menningen Great! I hope it helps some. The drawing still needs revision but it was a decent first start. Let me know if there is anything else I can do to help!
@operator8014
@operator8014 8 жыл бұрын
Is that hemispherical washer going to be greased? If so, maybe add a recess of some kind to accommodate a rubber cap to keep the grease and chips separate (would also help keep the washer from coming out or moving around excessively during setup)? If not, then... I guess never mind. I think the grind relief would be best with a radius in there, it'll keep the vise material from developing cracks over the years from vibration under load. It being on the inside of that clamping face means it's going to see a LOT of stress. Also, what's the rationale for making the pin holder head spherical? Cylindrical(cylinder coaxial with the pin) seems like it'd be easier to make and a little stronger to boot. Could chamfer the end of the pin and the hole in the pin holder, would make changing position a bit easier. Ticks and trips? Sorry, never used fusion... Great work though!
@TomZelickman
@TomZelickman 8 жыл бұрын
+Brad Gefroh Thanks so much, Brad! A lot of great ideas to incorporate into revisions of the design. This one was simply a remade version of a paper design I already had in my file however I'm going to redraw it using better techniques and with the suggestions people have made over time. Sincerely, Tom Z
@operator8014
@operator8014 8 жыл бұрын
+Tom Zelickman (Inspiration Metalworks) That sounds hella cool, sub'd. Keep us informed, I'll be watching for those videos!
@seanflanagan5674
@seanflanagan5674 8 жыл бұрын
Tom, can your Fusion export SketchUp files? I can make drawings from the PDFs, but would prefer to not add so many errors!
@TomZelickman
@TomZelickman 8 жыл бұрын
+Sean Flanagan Hi Sean! I really don't know yet. The link I provided includes a format that can generally be used in CAD programs called a STEP file. I know I can export to STL though, would that work for you?
@seanflanagan5674
@seanflanagan5674 8 жыл бұрын
Tom, I don't know SketchUp any better than you know Fusion. However, I don't believe it would (SU doesn't know what to do with the STEP files, so I wouldn't expect any joy). That being said, the SU model repository has many examples that evolved from CAD or were elevated to CAD. Maybe I should have first asked in the SU forum how that's done. Okay, so one blush on me: just opened the first PDF and the first dimension (callout, actually) I noticed was for the 1/4" tapped hole in each side of the fixed jaw. Specified as 1/4-28 UNC. You've prolly already seen that and corrected it. At risk of repeating myself to the level of insincerity, you guys are GREAT! And the young folk who receive the fruits of your labor will stand on the shoulders of you giants. God bless you all. Warm regards; merry Christmas! -sean-
@TomZelickman
@TomZelickman 8 жыл бұрын
+Sean Flanagan Hi Sean - I did some research and it looks like you need the Pro version of SketchUp to do much importing. Do you have that? If so, I can get you a format that will work. Which PDF had the typo? Thanks for pointing that out! There should be a couple of them in that zip file and remember that the "original" design was an old class project so I can't fix that one. The other thing to note is you aren't bound by that bit. Personally, I'd use 1/4-20 since that's what I keep on hand here. If it's something I can fix I'll include it in the updates I have slowly been collecting up. Stan also had some suggestions like undersizing the moving head just a bit so it can move when clamped in the vertical position. Time for me to be humble here and give credit where it is due. I'm flattered to be included in this community of amazing people especially on this project however, I was the back-office guy supporting the team who did the heavy lifting. Proud to have been a part of it though. Like you, I am happy to both receive and give of my knowledge freely. Ok, rambling now. Best wishes and Merry Christmas! Tom Z
@seanflanagan5674
@seanflanagan5674 8 жыл бұрын
Tom, thanks for the research! No, I missed out on getting SU Pro at the 2/3 price and can't justify the cost of it. This vise is so (mostly) simple that it will be both easy and good practice to draw it. After doing my little indian dance and gloating over the thread designation find, I noted the legend and realized that this was your source, and was 'frozen in time'. Too bad, as one of the views (A1) doesn't agree with the drawing, and both views are flipped (left to right). All this is on the first page of the 'Machinists_Vise_Original.pdf'. Ah, class projects! How well I remember! And that explains the errors: although the drawing is dated '03, I expect almost no institutions of higher learning permitted use of CA Drawing tools, and the little anomalies didn't get caught. In this version, anyway. Okay, then thanks for your support, without which the project might have been finished but not in time, and not correctly. And thanks for your humility -- a valuable example! No, a priceless example.
@muhaahaloa941
@muhaahaloa941 8 жыл бұрын
All the links above just say This channel does not exist. just letting you know good job all the guys..:)
@TomZelickman
@TomZelickman 8 жыл бұрын
+Muhaa Haloa Hmm, try it now. Thanks again!! I think something shortened the links and it messed things up. Appreciate the help and thanks for watching, Tom Z
@doctordeutz3601
@doctordeutz3601 6 жыл бұрын
Is the Download free
@TomZelickman
@TomZelickman 6 жыл бұрын
+Doctor Deutz It is but I’m not sure that it works any longer. That was a couple of years ago. I’ll check on it though.
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