Women are Meat | Silence of the Lambs is a movie about Womanhood

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00:00 Silence of the Lambs
05:41 Recapping the film
12:23 The Book vs the Movie
13:12 Women at Work
19:13 Clarice’s Value to Crawford & Others
27:45 (Dead) Women as Objects
28:37 Clarice as Property of Lecter
35:10 Characters as defined by the men in their life
38:45 Buffalo Bill
51:36 Author Intent vs Audience Reception
59:14 Conclusion
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@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
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@skybriel3503
@skybriel3503 Жыл бұрын
get your bag, queen
@TheGrinningViking
@TheGrinningViking Жыл бұрын
I'm so so disappointed in you advertising this skinner box game that primarily profits off the vulnerability of children.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
@@TheGrinningViking None of my audience are children. Most of my audience are 20-30 and they are well within their rights to make their own judgements on the content they consume Moreover, I'm a strong advocate for proper parenting and supervision - games should not be able to have access to childrens' parents' credit cards at the click of a button
@TheGrinningViking
@TheGrinningViking Жыл бұрын
@@MertKayKay You aren't allowed to make a KZfaq account if you are under 18 according to the TOS. Very few teenagers or preteens get their parents to make an account for them. They just put in an age that is old enough. Enough of your audience is kids without enough experiencd to inoculate themselves against deliberately addictive skinner box tactics that it's a good deal for Raid.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
​@@TheGrinningViking I'm not responsible for any number of people who break TOS to watch content they're not supposed to be watching :) These people also may or may not exist, and the existence of some kind of Schrodinger's demographic is no bearing for moral discussion. Half my audience could be made of pudding. Who knows? I can't prove they're not.
@coneillm
@coneillm Жыл бұрын
Actor Ted Levine did a lot of research for the role of Buffalo Bill and met with a lot of trans people at bars and nightclubs. He ultimately came to the conclusion that his character was neither trans nor gay, and was a homophobic misogynist. Unfortunately like you said a lot of his characterization is missing in the film and Levine feels awful about how his portrayal of the character has hurt people, which I don't think is his fault if the backstory is on the cutting room floor.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Bring me Neptune, the non-binary arsonist!
@jamwrightiam
@jamwrightiam Жыл бұрын
Aye, it's primarily on the fault of the production/final adjustments
@sarahb8147
@sarahb8147 Жыл бұрын
A lot of people who claim the “trans woman” identity are homophobic misogynists. This has been going on since the phenomenon has been studied. I wish this was a conversation we could have in a respectful and mature manner but it’s not happening yet.
@scrambledmeg
@scrambledmeg Жыл бұрын
@@sarahb8147 taking a look at your subscriptions and seeing numerous channels discussing "transgender indoctrination" and "gender ideology," something tells me you don't actually care at all about respectful, mature conversation and instead just want to take the opportunity to punch down at a group that people with your beliefs actively victimize. nice job trying to feign civility though ♥
@sarahb8147
@sarahb8147 Жыл бұрын
@@scrambledmeg the vast majority of the channels and creators I subscribe to are unquestioningly trans-positive. I do subscribe to some alternative viewpoints as well because some questionable behavior I’ve long observed, particularly online, by people claiming the identity of trans women, is concerning to me. I don’t understand why the trans community is not also concerned about these people who do not seem to belong in the category of “trans” yet are claiming to represent the trans community. I’m a white woman; when I see a white woman being (for example) racist, I call that out and denounce her. I don’t see that happening in the trans community. You can be as unsympathetic to my diverse subscribed channels as you want. Those channels are only able to survive and thrive because of the constant LOUD misbehavior of some of these people claiming the trans identity. Those people are behaving like terrorists and giving dangerous levels of bad press to actual trans people. I’m not getting the vibe you really want to discuss this, and the comments section of this video probably isn’t the place, anyway. But we’re getting to the point where someone is going to have to address the bad actors latching onto and trying to take over the trans community. When a similar phenomenon happened back in the 70s with NAMBLA trying to latch on to the gay rights movement, gay people excised and denounced them in no uncertain terms. If they’d made a different decision, gay marriage might not be accepted today like it is-as a same-sex-attracted person myself, that’s a sobering and disturbing thought. The entire gay community should not have the responsibility of getting rid of bad actors in order to have basic human rights, but that’s the system we live in and their decision to put an end to NAMBLA’s leeching was crucial to their acceptance into society. I hope the trans community does the same thing and gets the predators and autogynephiles claiming and defiling their name out of their movement. Because right now you have average Joes who see these loud voices claiming trans identities on Twitter and reddit and you know what they think? “Hey, that reminds me of Buffalo Bill.” We should want the director’s intent to be preserved-he understood that trans women are NOT like Buffalo Bill and he never intended Bill to be a representation of the trans community. We shouldn’t have real-life people ACTING like Buffalo Bill creating bad press for the trans community, either.
@Zayl1016
@Zayl1016 Жыл бұрын
I feel baffled that someone can watch this movie where in the opening scene, Clarice steps into an elevator full of men and they're all ogling her... And come out the other end saying there's no statements on gender or sexuality.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Hahaha oh my gosh, there were so many people like "It's just a movie chief :)"
@od3910
@od3910 Жыл бұрын
Because the type of men who would say "there are no themes" are the same men who leer at women in elevators. Men like that love telling on themselves
@stepheng1523
@stepheng1523 Жыл бұрын
I recently read the book, and its pretty much the main theme, without ever being addressed directly, what starling has to deal with constantly, solely because she's a woman
@greywolf7577
@greywolf7577 Жыл бұрын
Most of the men in the elevator scene don't even look at Clarice. And the ones that do are not looking at her boobs or ass. I think the scene was trying to portray that everyone else was male and she was the only woman there. But we shouldn't just assume that the men were ogling her just because they were in an elevator with her.
@vege4920
@vege4920 Жыл бұрын
You can write about situations where a female character is oggled at without making a statement. It's hard to tell if it is a statement as you say, or just a thing that happened and has no relation to the themes that the writer wanted to address in the book, but just a situation where the main character is shown to be different from her companions. That would make the situation personal and relating to the main characters and her motivations whatnot. And not a symbolic statement about women all over. I don't know what it is, but I think you can watch that scene and come out the other end saying what you wrote.
@amharbinger
@amharbinger Жыл бұрын
Maybe its me reading too much into it but I always felt that Jack wanted Clarice because she was honest but naive. Definitely smart but not willing to sacrifice her ideals. When questioning her grades I thought that was a test, to see if she was willing to stand up for herself even when it makes her seem weaker. Hannibal was intelligent but hubris, he would've likely ignored a seasoned agent, and judging from the guy agents they would've tried much harder to prove themselves. With Hannibal mentally crewing them out for daring to challenge him. Maybe its just me but Clarice hit that middle ground. Smart enough to get the job done but innocence enough that Hannibal would take the bait as he loves toying with people. Something a behavioral expert would do and Jack is showcased to push limits to get results.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
I think this is a really good explanation: Clarice would be like a dark horse, humble and easily underestimated. It's a shame that Clarice was kind of sacrificed in that way (sacrificial lamb) - her innocence being something he'll chew up and spit out - but definitely
@hannahep5148
@hannahep5148 Жыл бұрын
I also think it's pretty overt for a 90s/00s movie that Cl is gay. which might also be why she was chosen. she's surrounded by young men but hasn't married anyone or been labled as getting an mrs degree. so the choice might be based on the fact that Hannibal is also pretty gay coded. She's also a woman with a lot of experience with working in the male world, and the gendered parts of the case would really point someone like jack to ask, "what is the point of murdering a women if not sex?" and a woman in a male field would have a unique take. i never thought jack had any intrest in Cl sexually. what's interesting to me is that her "roommate" was never contacted or involved as another woman in the FBI. (raising the question of if her race would be a hinderance in jack's mind.) edit: i also think there's some trans allegories being made between bill and Cl. she wants to be like the men in her life. do male things. work in a male job. Bill presents as a man but works in a feminine job, sewing. wants to be like the women in their life. Cl has jack. bill has lecter.
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426
@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 Жыл бұрын
Interesting...I took Clarice's commitment to truthfulness as the opposite of naivety. A lot of women with experience in career tracks that have "power + responsibility" aspects/roles, esp traditionally male-dominated fields, who are on the threshold of going from junior to middle/senior roles, get the paradoxical feeling of "being puppeteered" by mentors or people in leadership roles, without knowing why or having access to the goals + thinking behind these higher-ups' decisions, & the women I've discussed this stuff with struggle with even putting a finger on exactly why they feel puppeteered, & doubt themselves, & doubt their perceptions. It's a really intangible feeling with extremely concrete effects that fuels Imposter Syndrome & makes it significantly more challenging while adding unnecessary emotional/psychological labour when integrating women, BIPOC, LGBTQ+, & working class people into organizations, disciplines, & roles that were traditionally withheld from these groups.
@marocat4749
@marocat4749 11 ай бұрын
I liked her. While the star og themovie is lector. And it might be because she was ignored and overlooked but competent and an outsider. But i though she waschosen because interesting enough to maybe get his interest but strong too. Crawfoedmust have seen her as prettycompetent even notbeing the best person. Even with ulrätirior motives. I thought she was done well. Amd in that movie hanibalis anawful god so , she gets what she wants, but is also earning " gods" respect. And crawford. Has seen will, going , warning isnt disrespecful here. I thoughtinteresting, she is strong but vunerable and dealing with forces she cant control, but manage. Ok the hanibal being the star really and the buffalo bill, i think good balance. Like she was doing a loosing game above her paygrade and did ok?! Not a woman here but isnt that anotbad commentary what shit women can deal regarding expectations . And its a horror movie?! I think she works as strong but tragic human character that doesnt loose really,
@SchulzEricT
@SchulzEricT 11 ай бұрын
@@hannahep5148 I've heard some people say the way she's talking to her roommate, they way she looks at her (they look at each other) makes it clear she's gay. I'm not sure that's supposed to be part of the movie though, that might just be Jodie Foster.
@wintermute1
@wintermute1 Жыл бұрын
In my head I wanted Clarise to have made all of the stuff she told Lector up and she was a genuine high functioning psychopath herself. And Lector never suspected a thing
@kiera6326
@kiera6326 Жыл бұрын
That’s a beautiful headcanon that seems to be ruined only by the flashbacks and private tears! Interestingly, Harris’s writing style is very in the moment and matter of fact, and Clarice as a character is written to be constantly on the go and getting shit done, therefore highly emotional scenes (the lamb recount, the basement chase) are written from a more detached perspective. The entirety of that conversation between Hannibal and Clarice is written as a continuous exchange of dialogue with no pause to reflect. It also ends abruptly once all the information has been given. We don’t get to see Clarice’s emotional response and there’s only two instances I can think of where she does get emotional, and they’re both representative of anger due to being upset, and they’re both not to do with her, but due to the victims around her being disrespected
@Pihsrosnec
@Pihsrosnec 7 ай бұрын
that would actually be a pretty cool twist. if it was implied the reason she was chosen to deal with lector was because her psychological profile was similar to his.
@raphaelcalado4335
@raphaelcalado4335 5 ай бұрын
Stupid idea, also Lecter is supposed to be a genius in this particular field (human psyche) , so to make Clarice manipulate Lecter, would diminish his importance and brilliance, dismantling the movie premise in its own core. That being said you are entitled to your own theories, but maybe put more thought into it to see how it would affect the story. Also, the interesting thing in the relationship between Lecter x Clarice is how they are different, your theory would break this too.
@ryannishikawa1356
@ryannishikawa1356 Жыл бұрын
When other KZfaq essayists talk about this movie they seem to portray Hannibal in a positive light. Sure, he's a monster that unalives people for trivial reasons, butchers them like livestock and eats them, but at least, he doesn't objectify Clarice's body like all the other men in the film do; he actually seems to respect her and see her as a qualified agent first and a woman second. I am in that camp. But I've never considered your take: Lecter is just as bad as the other men; even if he isn't exactly like them, he still plays with her mind like it's his toy. A mental objectification. He plays with her memories and trauma for his own amusement. I've seen this movie 20+ times and I never thought about this. Thanks for this video. Because of how charming and interesting he is, I often forget that Hannibal Lecter is the villain.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Thank you! For my first few viewings I 100% had the same opinion as you: he talks to her like an equal, he doesn't objectify her, he doesn't want sex. But the more I watched the more I asked "Why did Crawford 'sacrifice' Clarice to her? Is that why he picked her? What does Lecter get out of this?" and I started to think maybe Lecter isn't the sweet pea he seemed
@greywolf7577
@greywolf7577 Жыл бұрын
I think people like Lector because he can control people even when he's in a cell. And he's even more dangerous once he inevitably uses his intelligence to get out.
@Genasidal
@Genasidal Жыл бұрын
I find objectifying a person's mind, their feelings and emotions can be far more sadistic and terrifying. Be it a crude manipulator, or an inmate who's bored and has found his prey in an aspiring FBI Agent, it's quite the scary thing to witness in these instances. It's why I think, in many ways, Hannibal is the worst of them all. He's kind of like the "unthinkable" and "unpredictable" - something Clarice would have never been prepared for, and possibly as a result, made her feel things no sleezy creep had before. Perhaps, in that sense, leaving her feeling the most vulnerable she ever had. You could also argue though, given the outcome by the end of the movie, that Lecter's interactions with Clarice strengthened her moving forwards with her career.
@Ojo10
@Ojo10 10 ай бұрын
It's more obvious in the movie Hannibal. He gets her shoes, a dress with a plunging neckline. He makes the guy who was harassing her eat his own brain, but because he "was messing with his woman". He forces a kiss on her after she says she'll never acknowledge his love for her. And it excites him.
@jbear3478
@jbear3478 9 ай бұрын
And let's be real.. it's hard to dislike Anthony Hopkins
@UseMoreLensFlare
@UseMoreLensFlare Жыл бұрын
I took a "Film in Literature" class and I learned a huge facet of horror/thriller films in general relates to femininity: themes of Puritanism, like virginity and the original sin, and the "evil" of femininity and how it contrasts to the idea of the righteous male protagonist being two primary examples. Think "Rosemary's Baby" and "The Exorcist," respectively. You could say that "Alien" is the antithesis of those.
@UseMoreLensFlare
@UseMoreLensFlare Жыл бұрын
Horror as a genre should be seen as being critical of the notion of toxic masculinity and misogyny, but unfortunately a large portion it is sold to promote the opposite of these ideas (see: slasher films) because it sells better to a mainstream audience. That said, there are many great pro-femininity horror films as well, it's just that they don't seem to have the same commercial success.
@greywolf7577
@greywolf7577 Жыл бұрын
The Exorcist did focus on the idea that women talking about sex is something that the devil would want. I often think that some people are too quick to accuse movies of gender bias, but there is some truth in some of it, at least in the old movies.
@greywolf7577
@greywolf7577 Жыл бұрын
@Chandller Burse No, of course not. I think that it is okay for women to talk about sex in the appropriate situation. Plus, I don't believe in the Devil so I don't think women are actually affected by him.
@vege4920
@vege4920 Жыл бұрын
You can find a lot of examples of horror/thriller movies where the threat or problem is feminine and a lot where it is masculine. Sounds fair to me.
@findlesplurb
@findlesplurb 10 ай бұрын
@chandllerburse737 That's my reading too. If anything, Rosemary's Baby is at least somewhat, if not thoroughly, anti-male, especially considering how we see Rosemary CONSTANTLY oppressed by all the men and many of the women in her life who relentlessly reinforce the patriarchal order; on this view Satanism doesn't represent a liberation from old-world sexual servitude, but a grotesque mirror image of it. The movie confronts the horrifying thought that there's no escaping the despair of female slavery. Seems fairly subversive to me (which is remarkable considering the director's well-documented feelings about women).
@LaffTrack
@LaffTrack Жыл бұрын
Incredible video! As someone from West Virginia, I think her being considered "white trash" really amplified your point. From personal experience people see women from West Virginia (especially ones with heavy accents) as uneducated hilljacks, and that would create a further degree of seperation. When my mother moved to california she actually had to unlearn her West Virginia accent because everyone said she sounded like clarice and that it made her sound unintelligent, which was especially a big deal since she worked in communications, often with men.
@melenatorr
@melenatorr Жыл бұрын
Lector, in their first interview, mentions that Clarice has been trying desperately to shed her West Virginia accent.
@vege4920
@vege4920 Жыл бұрын
The dumb hillbilly stereotype is male in 90% of media, culture and personal stereotypes of people. I doubt that people see southern women being as more stupid than southern men.
@robertbryant4669
@robertbryant4669 Жыл бұрын
The danger in assuming that a certain type of person doesn't exist is that we're shocked and surprised when that type of person turns out to exist. Hannibal Lecter was assumed to be so outlandishly evil that he couldn't exist in real life. Then we got Jeffrey Dahmer.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Hannibal and Jeffrey Dahmer have similarities but they are absolutely not the same 😅 nothing about their crimes or lives was a 1:1
@falconeshield
@falconeshield Жыл бұрын
Wait, Silence of the Lambs was released BEFORE Dahmer was caught?
@robertbryant4669
@robertbryant4669 Жыл бұрын
@@falconeshield Silence of the Lambs was released in 1991 -- the same year that Dahmer was arrested. It is a sequel to Manhunter, which was released in 1986 and was our first cinematic introduction to Hannibal Lecter, played at the time by Brian Cox. Manhunter was based on a book written by Thomas Harris called The Red Dragon, published in 1981, and would be remade into a movie of the same title in 2002. So yes, the character of Hannibal Lecter predates the capture of Jeffrey Dahmer.
@carissaclanton4150
@carissaclanton4150 22 күн бұрын
Similarly, people love to tout out the statistics about trans perpetrators (that they usually aren't) as proof that a story including a crossdressing or transgender perpetrator can't be worthwhile to tell. I don't know anything about Silence of the Lambs, I have no real opinion on its portrayal one way or another, but as a victim of a trans woman, it gets so painful to hear over and over that we can't and don't and won't exist.
@ShibuyaDaydream
@ShibuyaDaydream Жыл бұрын
about 31 minutes in and the themes of workplace advances is prevalent through not only this but the 2001 movie just titled Hannibal too. Clarice is metaphorically stripped down by a Justice Department official for a raid gone wrong that was out of her control. Wouldn’t you know it she rejected him prior. Thinking about it in the context of Silence definitely makes the film more disturbing as a whole and i’m ashamed to say I didn’t pick up on it
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Oh dang! I've not seen the sequel but I hugely respect the themes persevering throughout
@justink8156
@justink8156 Жыл бұрын
I really like when you analyze horror games- your points about mental health are both empathetic and nuanced and you know what makes great horror. Very cool to see you doing a video essay on a movie like this. Excited to watch this!
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Thank you Justin!! I hope you enjoyed it 😁
@LadySaphira
@LadySaphira Жыл бұрын
I read the original comic that the term "Bechdel Test" was coined in, it was just a satirical comment on the fact the bar was so incredibly low for including women as characters in movies, especially at the time. Not that a movie needed to pass it to be good or that a movie that passed it was good. The character jokes that she's hasn't seen a movie in 6 years since she started holding them to that standard.
@missrebel634
@missrebel634 5 ай бұрын
50 percent of the human population, yet treated like a minority
@justinkroboth360
@justinkroboth360 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say that womanhood is subtext in the film - it's, like, THE text. It's the crux of it all, from start to finish, top to bottom, womanhood and femininity are key throughout. I mean, they set it up at the very beginning, in the elevator. That sets the tone straight away. Love this movie. And you, too, Mert - sorry for not commenting for a while, I've been busy with school and am now catching up on your backlog of quality stuffs. I love how your channel has grown! I hope you're proud of yourself - you're doing a good damn job, friend.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Welcome back Justin! I hope school has been going well 😍 and thank you for watching
@hallowdarkfrost6818
@hallowdarkfrost6818 Жыл бұрын
I only watched this movie for the first time a few months back but I still think about it a lot, and when you mentioned that it's probably not a coincidence that Precious looks so much like a lamb, I gotta admit, that made my jaw drop a bit. That's a really interesting observation that I hadn't even considered.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Hohohoho I'm so proud to have gotten a dropped jaw, thanks for telling me! I'm really glad you liked it Hallow!
@dashiellgillingham4579
@dashiellgillingham4579 Жыл бұрын
It’s not illegal to eat people in Canada. I found out about this through a news article about dude who lost his leg in a car-accident. He requested his leg back, and he and his buddies cooked it in a BBQ as a bit of a meme. The meme got better when an increasing number of cops kept showing up and could not find a single legal reason to be there.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh that is extreme
@MonkeyDToniProductions
@MonkeyDToniProductions Жыл бұрын
I understand tribes eating each other but this?
@kelliann
@kelliann Жыл бұрын
Yes. The director really did a fantastic job, it would have been easy for him to focus on Dr. Lector, who actually gets very little screen time. He does such a good job showing the daily female experience, that happens throughout a life. She's not the iconic character from this film, but it is fully her story. My favorite film when I need to process multiple traumatic things at once.
@MonkeyDToniProductions
@MonkeyDToniProductions Жыл бұрын
That way, he also keeps the main attraction (Hannibal) special
@sarahgrisetti3915
@sarahgrisetti3915 Жыл бұрын
I'm sure how I feel about Bella being left out of the movie. On one hand, we learn a lot about Crawford through her brief storyline (she is very ill and Crawford is now her caretaker). The scene where he reminisces about their relationship was so sweet and made me cry. I really felt for him in the book. But on the other hand, it's not a huge part of the story and doesn't have anything to do with anyone but Crawford, so I can understand why it was cut.
@SchulzEricT
@SchulzEricT 11 ай бұрын
It's in the show, which is really good (the first 2 or 3 seasons, at least), so... yeah, I think omitting details like that is kind of a bummer, but you have to be so ruthless when making a movie. It was, IMO, the right choice.
@cleverlydevisedmyth
@cleverlydevisedmyth 5 ай бұрын
I kind of enjoyed Lecter's mocking of Crawford in the book, where he sent him a quote from a John Donne sonnet- only Lecter would use an obscure Renaissance poem to threaten someone LOL
@TriggerHappyGamer
@TriggerHappyGamer Жыл бұрын
Silence of the lambs is one of the movies that is closest to the source material I've ever seen! One of my favorite film facts is the reason there are so many shots where people are staring at the camera is to make everyone feel like Clarence and it is impactful I don't know how anyone thinks that Silence of the Lambs isn't about being a woman in a hostile male dominated field is wild
@NotBigfoot
@NotBigfoot Жыл бұрын
Hell yes. I hope you keep making movie-based video essays, especially on older, classic films such as Silence of the Lambs. Not only is it insightful but it also helps get these films back into the public consciousness. But of course, keep doing what you do. 💪
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Thank you Not Bigfoot! :D I really enjoyed this and I'd be super excited to have inspiration strike again. Also if you see Bigfoot around, tell him to give me my copy of Crash Team Racing back
@NotBigfoot
@NotBigfoot Жыл бұрын
@@MertKayKay I would never borrow CTR from you. The only true cart racing game is Smurf Racing. ...I mean sure, I'll ask him.
@somedragonbastard
@somedragonbastard 11 ай бұрын
Remember kids, film is pretty much never about nothing. Even if the filmmaker meant nothing, their personal biases and opinions bleed through. And make no mistake, this is an extremely meaningful movie.
@simonlindsell1267
@simonlindsell1267 Жыл бұрын
Great video as always 😎 Side note; the actual Buffalo Bill house is now available as a themed AirBnB. Complete with cellar. Which plays Goodbye Horses. Good Lord.
@mullerpotgieter
@mullerpotgieter Жыл бұрын
Hey, Luke's house is now a hotel. Gotta give people what they want
@cleverlydevisedmyth
@cleverlydevisedmyth 5 ай бұрын
I had the opportunity to buy that house years ago, only I had no idea where I'd be able to work in such an out of the way area so I passed on it. I texted my cousin about it at the time, saying: "I'd love to dance around with my dick tucked in to Goodbye Horses in there." my cousin wrote back: "Dude, I always suspected that's what you do ALL the time no matter where you live" hahahahaha
@josephine-rt6jw
@josephine-rt6jw Жыл бұрын
your nuanced and respectful takes on horror are always a joy to watch, especially as a queer person who's struggled with mental health issues. I love horror games and horror media, and I've noticed that a lot of the online communities surrounding them can be less than respectful, so I genuinely love that you put the effort into researching and being respectful with these. Love your videos!
@althealee9375
@althealee9375 Жыл бұрын
I would have NEVER thought of the film this way so THANK YOU for this video. Also love how bluntly the bug guy says “yes” when Clarice asks if he’s flirting
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! I love this film :D
@jamwrightiam
@jamwrightiam Жыл бұрын
The primary thing that makes me so upset whenever the defense that "the writer/director of the movie didn't intend for Bill to be trans" is genuinely used, is that the main list of trans characters in film on Wikipedia has Bill listed as a historical trans character. (no matter how many times I've sent editorial notes recommending that it's a bad addition, along with many other characters on the list but that's another rant) there comes a point that if the general public sees something as representative of a public group, even if the author didn't intend it, that there is consequences. That list is formed from popular public feed back, so the majority of voices are in favor of bill being trans representing. Even with wikipedias natural biases and personal interference, it's remained the same for decades in that decision. The films depiction of a people group has had an impact on the major cultural view of those people, as art is designed to do. An impact that has hurt and is still greatly hurting a lot of lives. This single film is if course not responsible for the entire anti trans movement or politics, but what it has done is created a concept for many to latch onto about what living as trans is like, one many at least subconsciously hold for things they don't understand, and this reinforces that. That being trauma and disgust being defining to being trans. There's a belief a lot of people, both those with Ill intent and good intent, that being trans is defined by one's self hate, body disgust, and trauma. I see it a lot when non trans people start defending trans rights by only pointing to things like suicide rates and self harm, and by those attacking trans people by again pointing to suicide rates and self harm, now claiming "being transed caused this." This I feel ties into the idea that by being trans there is something broken or wrong with you, that it needs to be fixed or taken out of you. This idea is so prelevent in main culture that even many trans people, formerly myself included, believe this about themselves, and that they're wrong and need to be made right in the world. I genuinely hate this belief. The way it defines all trans people by their unhappiness, struggles and death. This applies to even more than trans people infact, as also an immigrant I'm constantly reminding that the way people in my new country view life in my home is entirely based on it's violence, suffering, and pain. (especially ones they cause via colonialism but still frame as "our problems" again another rant) and I will say, it's good to acknowledge the problems, and it's good to fix those problems. But people are not problems, people are living humans and should never be described as a thing. I hate the general depiction of trans, immigrant, honestly most of not all suppressed people because it's the most dehumanizing shit I've ever seen. People, and especially writers and general workers in media want to use entire groups of people as props or dressing, taking people and turning them into things. And again I get it, it's practically impossible to show the fullness of a human being in just character, the common job of writers is honestly turning people into things. But what I do wish and know people can do is stop saying these things are representation, stop saying it's "a look into the trans condition" or whatever they're putting on reviews. And this isn't meant to just apply to writers, as said they can't control the audience much, but more over this is dedicated to the public view. The way the major public is willing to accept a depiction as an all encompassing reality for the incredibly complicated state of being human is both as old as stories, and still terrifying. I'm glad to see more people leave that way of thinking, but still not enough are willing to even accept the reality of it's existence. To try bringing this back to the original topic, the main pain I have with the view of Bill as trans, is they're a character with no joy, love, or acknowledging of self. (There's probably better words to describe this but English is not native to me please be patient) At least to me and those I've talked to, one of the primary aspects of being trans is self acceptance and love. Again this is left out of the narrative many make about being trans, but it's a genuine aspect of our lives. We are painfully aware of our bodies, and we build on ourselves to both better our own body, and our love for that body. There's a lot of self care and healing one has to make as trans, you have to relearn your relationship with how you live, how you view yourself. This is where I think so many people miss it, because when they hear the concept of someone changing their body because it doesn't fit or (don't know the word that best fits but the idea of not being proper or correct to the setting it's in, like a ground bird being forced into a tree) there's this idea that it must be from self hate, or loathing. That they want to mask over and hide their body, that they want it hurt or destroyed. So the audience with this view of trans people then projects it onto a character like Bill. Bill takes the skin of others and uses it to hide their own, in that state they experience "joy." Except by the way the scene is done not at all. The scenes are done to provoke disgust, discomfort and hate, and nothing is truly about Bill, but the concept. The concept bill is designed to be, and as a result the audience then takes as describing the concept of being trans. And it's not even close to the experience of trans joy, the point of transition is so that in your own body, your own skin, you feel joy, love, self care etc. There is never a need or point to taking that of someone else because you are you, and it's been about loving that, and bettering that. Transition is an experience of self love, also said you come to accept yourself and better yourself, because ultimately you're developing and growing, changing during the process because that is life, and you have to accept that. And unfortunately those looking in won't accept an idea that goes against their narrative of what it's really like, even in the face of what trans people are experiencing. Also side note just want to make clear this is attacking/targeting no one, not the writer's or directors, and definitely not you or your video. It's purely my own reaction to the film, and I generally like to assume the best intentions on the behalf of the creators. The primary goal was to acknowledge how many non trans people have these incorrect ideas that shape their view of trans folks, and how films like tsotl, even accidentally, support these beliefs both openly and subtly. There's a real push right now across multiple countries but especially the north and west to silence/destroy trans folks and communities so I do thank anyone creating content that stands to talk about trans folks in a respectful and humanizing way, and against those causing harm. It does go a long way to help more people at least acknowledge what's happening. Again thank you for this piece , and take care
@icravedeath.1200
@icravedeath.1200 Жыл бұрын
What do you mean by the north, I thought countries like Denmark and Sweden were very good when it came towards this kind of thing?
@sometimesawful
@sometimesawful Жыл бұрын
The fact is that some male trans identifying people (trans women) are, indeed, like buffalo bill. Famously chris chan even did the goodbye horses dance. Before he raped his mother. Theres many more autogynephiles who would like to wear our skin too. Just because it makes you all look bad doesnt mean its not true.
@icravedeath.1200
@icravedeath.1200 Жыл бұрын
@@sometimesawful it's just that people like you who don't even know anything about us like to lie and exaggerate how much it actually happens. (Also, I'm not going to bother replying to you, because the tin foil hat is enough of an indicator). (Also, if you actually cared to properly research anything, you'd realise that autogynophilia doesn't exist).
@jamwrightiam
@jamwrightiam Жыл бұрын
@@sometimesawful you've proven my point, you've taken media against the words of the creators and used it to hurt a people group. And no, with all the trans people I've worked with and that have worked with me none of them would "want to wear your skin." That's not a thing people want to do. And that's not an idea you'd have ever had if it wasn't for the movie unfortunately. Media isn't reality,but you sure let it control what you view reality as
@sometimesawful
@sometimesawful Жыл бұрын
@@jamwrightiam so you won't address autogynephilia. You can pretend there's no scary men out there who claim to be women but it's just the way it is. In reality. I know you realize it harms how you're accepted but you need to take that up with the chris chans, the harvey marcelins, the karen whites. Im not disagreeing with the creators of this movie or the actor, the character of buffalo bill was not accepted as a transsexual by therapists. Back then, though, you had to meet certain requirements. Now you only have to declare your womanhood and it's immediately accepted as gospel. So its a safety issue for women.
@Assortment54321
@Assortment54321 Жыл бұрын
I think what the film was trying to say is that, Billy wasn't trans gender by virtue of the fact that it was more of a sexual thing than it was an identity thing. Thats why they distance themselves from that explicitly imo.
@leaanncollins4350
@leaanncollins4350 Жыл бұрын
Yay, glad you got a version of the video accepted by KZfaq! I love this movie. I think I actually screamed when we see the cutouts taped on the dress & it all came together in my mind. (so yeah, for me possible the biggest jump scare ever was a dress). Another data point for you - they named him Buffalo Bill because "he skins his humps" though later we hear that there is no rape. So the authorities were just assuming that that was what he would want from a woman.
@NormanBatesJr99
@NormanBatesJr99 Жыл бұрын
I’d be super curious to hear your opinion on Psycho! The exploration of female sexuality, independence, and also the exploitation of DID and Norman’s experience with his mother. This video was excellent
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
I've not seen that film! I've seen it parodied everywhere though, maybe it's time
@nocte.animam
@nocte.animam Жыл бұрын
What's DID? I'd like to know haha I love Psycho. I got the books gifted to me just recently 😭💗
@NormanBatesJr99
@NormanBatesJr99 Жыл бұрын
@@nocte.animam Disassociative Identity Disorder (previously known as split personality disorder).
@Ranixo286
@Ranixo286 Жыл бұрын
Psycho is so layered with how it juxtaposed Marian and Norman too...totally recommend.
@nocte.animam
@nocte.animam Жыл бұрын
@@NormanBatesJr99 I see. Thanks!
@daedalus6796
@daedalus6796 Жыл бұрын
The section on author intent reminded me of how appalled the writer was at how some people were idolising Hannibal Lector, and this affected how he wrote the sequel. Also, I'd love to see your take on the game Rule of Rose, I think there's alot of potential to discuss gender and power dynamics in it and I've liked what you've had to say about it here.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
I actually have so many notes on Rule of Rose ready! There's loads about the politics of growing up as a young woman in that video that I enjoy. Tons of imagery. All the characters (to me) are like facets of one psyche. I love that the school is so weirdly isolated beyond all geographic reaches as well. Ah, we'll get there :D
@mullerpotgieter
@mullerpotgieter Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately there's a not tiny portion of the Internet that wants to jump the bones of serial killers. So unsurprising
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
@@mullerpotgieter I think they call it Bonnie and Clyde syndrome, I remember it has a name and it's a proper weird psychology thing! Crazy stuff
@lalas181
@lalas181 Жыл бұрын
@@MertKayKay I think the proper medical name is Hibristophilia? Not sure if people who have that would be into fictional killers as well as real ones, though.
@gem9535
@gem9535 5 ай бұрын
Lmao, I respect that. "Why tf do you love this monster? Okay, time to ruin him entirely because NO. Bad reader, bad!"
@Setsunako6587
@Setsunako6587 Жыл бұрын
From the title alone, I've been agreeing with you 💯% for at *least* 10 years now. In my opinion, the feminine (feminist?) perspective of this film encompass most of the re-watch value and what makes this movie a Classsic ™️ Thank you for your service 🙏🏾
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Aww I'm so happy to hear it! Absolutely, there's so much rewatch value and so much you notice every time you watch!
@Natilra
@Natilra Жыл бұрын
Sorry for a super-massive comment but I wanted to fill in some of the book stuff For starters, in the book, Crawford picking Clarice is down to her academic and work experience. "You have a lot of forensics, but no law-enforcement background" “What you do have is a double major in psychology and criminology, and how many summers working in a mental health center" “Your counselor’s license, is it. current?” "I found out in time to qualify as a Forensic Fellow. Then I could work in the lab until the Academy had an opening.” All of those quotes come in the conversation before Crawford mentions Lecter. Harris is clearly setting her up as qualified; a licensed counsellor would be better qualified to handle Lecter than a raw trainee and someone with a lot of forensics experience is a natural choice to take with you to examine a body. When Crawford goes off to speak with the sheriff alone because the sheriff resents the FBI taking over his case. Crawford uses Clarice as the excuse, not thinking what example that'll set to the police. And when he brings it up in the car, he dismisses it as a ploy and Clarice acknowledges that but points out to him that the police didn't know that and will follow his example of how to treat her. And when Clarice clears the dissecting room, she specifically wishes Crawford was there to use his authority but he's outside. So, she calls on a memory of her mother and other female forms of authority, which the narration describes as "a prototype of courage more apt and powerful than any Marine parachute jump". I love Clarice's response to Chilton in the book: “That’s perfectly fine with me. You might have suggested that in my office. I could have sent an orderly with you and saved the time.” “I could have suggested it there if you’d briefed me there.” The film's version of that conversation about the farm with the lambs really bugs me. For starters, Clarice's mum outlived her dad and might even still be alive at the time of the book. Clarice got sent away because there were too many mouths too feed on her mum's low wages and Clarice was the oldest. For another thing, Lecter never suggests her 'uncle' raped her. He asks “How did you like your mother’s cousin’s husband?” and Clarice answers "We were different.", then there's a back and forth that swiftly leads them onto the animals and, specifically, Clarice's horse, Hannah, who is the one she escaped with, not some random lamb. The screaming of the lambs only alerted Clarice to the danger. The one she wanted to rescue was Hannah. And Lecter is very disappointed to learn that Hannah lived out a happy life at Clarice's orphanage. You mention how the film isn't so lazy as to make her trauma about rape but Harris is doing something even more complicated. Clarice succeeded in saving the animal she was most attached to but is still haunted by the majority she couldn't save. I'm not going to opine on Jame Gumb's gender identity but, in the book, we get multiple scenes of them watching film of who they believe to be their mother and the way they speak to Precious about her is both covetous and uncomfortably sexual.
@Tottosmile
@Tottosmile Жыл бұрын
I distinctly remember when I watched this movie, alone in my bedroom around 6pm so the room wouldn't be too dark, and the thing I remember most clearly is how nauseous the movie made me feel. At the time I just figured it was the fact that I'm not used to thriller films but now I honestly think how silence of the lambs reflects my own experiences with womanhood and male dominated fields amplified the intensity for me. Incredible. Also a great video!
@lizabee484
@lizabee484 Жыл бұрын
This was a fascinating watch, and you clearly tried hard to address Bill, namely the issues with the film’s portrayal of their gender identity, in as respectful and nuanced way possible. As a non-binary person, I really appreciate that. I also appreciated the amount of research you did and attention you payed to others’ perspectives on Bill’s gender identity, on the relative sexism/transphobia of the film, etc. The responses to the survey you did a while ago (that I was happy to be able to participate in!) were clearly something you took into account when writing the script for this, and, just, idk. It’s good. Despite the difficult subject matter it made me feel affirmed and respected as a person who falls under the trans “umbrella” of identities, and that was pretty cool to see from a cis person.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Aww Liza this means so much! Did my best >:) But please always let me know if I act a total penis
@ddjsoyenby
@ddjsoyenby Жыл бұрын
same.
@icravedeath.1200
@icravedeath.1200 Жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly, subjects like this are an extremely messy thing aren't they.
@Xander_P.G.K
@Xander_P.G.K Жыл бұрын
I think this is one of those movies where the message and themes are not hammered in and poorly written, and I actually got them- because I'm not always the sharpest tool in the shed 😅 I think this movie does a great job SHOWING you Clarice's struggle in a male-dominated workplace, and not just telling you like any other film would. Even as a man, I understood her plight and empathize with her. Otherwise, this is a great movie, and this is a great video, Mert 😁
@mv4624
@mv4624 Жыл бұрын
I think another interesting aspect of the movie is the focus on the state senator's daughter having to be kidnapped in order for investigation unit to prioritize looking for buffalo bill. Might be looking too into it but interesting to think about.
@chaosheaven23
@chaosheaven23 Жыл бұрын
I think the idea of casual depravity is something very prevalent in SotL. Lector is casually cruel, cold, and is not to be trusted, even in spite of his "competence" as a psychologist and fellow murderer. He views the entire world of living people as meat for his own appreciation and consumption. Even at his most "empathetic" toward Clarice, he never actually "likes" her for more than the small amusement she continues to bring him, because she's just a stimulant for his pleasure. The true horror of Lector is the illusion of competence, composure, and apathy he tries to push onto others to create terror and power for himself. I think about how unhinged it is to casually murder your deranged cell-mate for slighting someone you met for only a brief moment, but it all contributed to Lector building this narrative around himself that simply isn't true. I think Buffalo Bill is suppose to parallel this in many ways while interacting with characters like Lector indirectly. Like Lector, Bill casually uses women to accomplish nothing more than a personal agenda, and Lector can't help but prick at Bill from afar by sticking a woman on him that believe's he could only ever *want* to be a woman. He profiled Bill that way so Clarice would look down on him, which I think just serves to highlights Lector's competence as a manipulator again. I watched a video once analyzing the cinematography of Lector and Clarice's first conversation and how the camera angle changes to subliminally suggest how the power dynamic changes between the two of them. Very captivating stuff, no doubt an extremely well-done film.
@magalymendoza3435
@magalymendoza3435 Жыл бұрын
In the book it’s stated that Clarice did want to work explicitly under Crawford as she admired his intelligence and Crawford picked her for her naivety because he thought it would appeal to Lecter and get him to help with the case
@SchulzEricT
@SchulzEricT 11 ай бұрын
I don't believe I've read the book (if I did, it didn't make much of an impression on me) but those were my takeaways from watching the movie.
@czarrina
@czarrina Жыл бұрын
I do highly recommended you read the books, this theme is even stronger in the text. Its even more present in the book form of Hannibal.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Since I made this video, TWO of my friends gifted me copies of the book. So I now have two to read :D
@nataliep856
@nataliep856 Жыл бұрын
It’s honestly rare to hear a cis British woman talking about silence of the lambs in a way that ISN’T transphobic. This analysis absolutely rocks ❤️❤️ instant subscriber gained 😘
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Transphobia is WHOLLY unwelcome here, thank you for the sub and hope you enjoy the content :D
@somedragonbastard
@somedragonbastard 11 ай бұрын
​@@MertKayKayyoure a credit to your census category
@Cobalt360Degrees
@Cobalt360Degrees Жыл бұрын
I remember first watching this movie (or at least bits and pieces of it) when I was waaayyyyyy too young, something between 12 and 14, when it popped on tv and I actually didn't think the movie was all that great because of how people talked to Clarice. Tweeny me saw how people treated Clarice and I, at the time, just assumed that the writing was bad because it seemed like nothing ever got done and Clarice had to drag things out of people and in a way did pick up on what you mentioned; I saw how many hoops and how much effort Clarice had to go through to talk to these men and how it all seemed so much more complicated and petty than it had to be. It felt like no one but Clarice was taking the matter seriously so I remember struggling to care about what was happening. Cut to me now, over ten years later, having now gone through puberty and experienced being a (generally) femme-presenting person in the workplace and now I struggle to watch this movie for a related but simultaneously different reason; all the men in the film treating Clarice like shit drives me up the wall now and even though it is a much better movie than my child self gave it credit for back in the day, I'm still going to get annoyed and tell Chilton to go fuck himself every time I watch it. 😂
@Mikauthefantasist
@Mikauthefantasist Жыл бұрын
In the books hannibal absolutely kills people because they were rude, miggs was killed for the act of being rude. Also in the books clarice ends up marrying lector. I totally missed precious being a lamb allegory!!
@voidliving6922
@voidliving6922 Жыл бұрын
Wow I love this video so much! especially as an author myself I do like the concrete discussion on writer’s intention and the cultural impact regardless
@canadiandee6342
@canadiandee6342 Жыл бұрын
In the book, part of the reason why Crawford chose her is that she studied psychology as well as law. They use that distinction between clarice and her roommate, who didn’t study psych. Also, they play the scene of clarice seeing the victim different in the book. She’s looked at with respect, and they quickly clear out to give her room. Crawford has some bs thoughts about “seeing the herb woman, midwife, whatever” in her as she spoke with authority all of a sudden. They could have done it better.
@gem9535
@gem9535 5 ай бұрын
I think how a lot of people see Hannibal really tells us how low the bar is for men. "Yeah, he's a cannibal who tortures people... but he treats Clarice kinda okay, so he's awesome." *The bar is so low, it's a tavern in Hades.*
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay 5 ай бұрын
Absolutely! "He's not cartoonishly abusive so he's probably alright"
@calcoffey5495
@calcoffey5495 Жыл бұрын
i get so excited by new mertkaykay vids. they never dissappoint
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
I'm so happy to hear that Cal! :D I shall make MORE
@prettyevil6662000
@prettyevil6662000 Жыл бұрын
Please keep pushing your feminism into everything. Every movie does have things they're trying to say. It's not a secret thing, it's usually pretty blatant to anyone who wants to look for it, but still worth analyzing. I honestly pity people who think subtext ruins a movie. How boring their lives must be to never think about anything they witness. I am not new to this reading of Silence of the Lambs. But I'm still glad you did it. I enjoy hearing your takes on these topics even if they're takes I've heard or had myself before.
@greywolf7577
@greywolf7577 Жыл бұрын
I do think people have to be careful not to twist a movie's meaning in order to fit their view. I'm not necessarily saying that people have to take the same opinion that the author has about a work. But the interpretation should at least fit with the facts of the movie. I think there are Feminist themes in Silence of the Lambs, with Clarice being the only female agent in her group. But not every movie with women in it has Feminist themes, even though I'm sure you can find someone trying to make a Feminist interpretation of every movie.
@Prettygoodspell
@Prettygoodspell Жыл бұрын
I just wanted to pop down here for a sec and let you know that I appreciate your subtitles. I can tell you write them yourself, and I love it!
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Thank you Smokey!! Sorry if they're ever jumbled haha
@Prettygoodspell
@Prettygoodspell Жыл бұрын
@@MertKayKay no worries! I've personally not noticed any skipped lines or lines out of order. Only things done deliberately for a desired affect. You, lady, are a professional!
@astralenchantments
@astralenchantments Жыл бұрын
I've not actually watched this movie before, but I might have to now 👀 I'm curious, have you watched Revolutionary Girl Utena? It's kind of the same vein theme wise; with a focus on the patriarchy, oppression of minorites (mainly women and queer people), and growing up. It's pretty good, if a little absurd at times (even more so than a typical anime). Though I'd definitely recommend looking up a content warning list first, cause the show deals with some heavy subjects pretty explicitly (this coming from someone who already knew the show was dark, and was still surprised by some of the subject matter).
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
I've never heard of Revolutionary Girl Utena! :O But I always love a critical examination some dark themes. Thanks for the recommendation!
@dragonbornbard135
@dragonbornbard135 Жыл бұрын
You always do a fantastic job of breaking things down and treating difficult topics with the respect they deserve. It makes your reviews way better to watch than someone just breaking down plot points. Also, I HIGHLY relate to bad UX right now. Just spent over 24 hours trying to get in contact with PS support...
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Oh man the PS app gives me hives, I sincerely hope you find your resolution soon! :( Hostile design is crumby
@mad8598
@mad8598 Жыл бұрын
Reminder that in the not too distant past it was perfectly valid for a trans person to be denied gender affirming surgery on the grounds that the assessor/s considered they wouldn’t be attractive enough by mainstream gender standards.
@UnDefinedLegacy
@UnDefinedLegacy Жыл бұрын
Considering that the people who couldn’t “pass” would have a higher chance of suicide because a trans woman would become their own worst critic. I mean there are several infamous cases occurring from the silicone valley where they cited that issue as the reason of their suicide despite having bottom surgery top surgery but didn’t feel confident enough to speak with a cosmetic surgeon to meet their ideal of womanhood and just gave up. Contra Points had a video going over her own self criticisms and how close she got to the edge. Now we have the cosmetic tech for feminizing features and blocking puberty. I don’t think the doctors weren’t aware of suicidal thoughts and the lack/affordability/possibility of certain cosmetic surgeries.
@Levi-jz5rv
@Levi-jz5rv Жыл бұрын
I'm so pumped for this video! This movie has always held a special spot in my heart! It without a doubt help drive me to study psychology! I can't wait to hear your perspective and insight on the very heavy and still impact full topics it covers! PS. Stay amazing 👏 💚
@jerryancel6944
@jerryancel6944 Жыл бұрын
Another great video! Hannibals house is on Charles Street here in Baltimore, about 5 minutes away from where I grew up. The crazy thing is, I've been around that area so much that I don't even think about it anymore.
@gwencere9383
@gwencere9383 Жыл бұрын
I recently wrote a paper on Silence of the Lambs! I'm lifelong Clarice Sterling stan, glad you're making videos about movies now, educate those gamers
@thatonekarissa
@thatonekarissa Жыл бұрын
omg hey mert congrats on this making it all the way onto my notifs
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Ily2 Karissa it is an HONOUR to be in your notifs
@twindrill2852
@twindrill2852 Жыл бұрын
Buffalo Bill, as a nonbinary person, weirds me out a lot. I wouldn’t be upset to see a transgender character that just so happened to be a killer, but their motives being tied to their gender identity, their stereotypical manner, and the fact that they’re the ONLY trans character deeply disappoints me.
@chefyanayano
@chefyanayano Жыл бұрын
He is the only trans character, because there are not too many trans people in general.
@lizzyfredrick2363
@lizzyfredrick2363 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, but it's a general rule of thumb that if you include an villain that is of a certain identity, you should probably include an additional character of that identity that is good to show that that identity isn't bad.
@mechinate
@mechinate Жыл бұрын
@@lizzyfredrick2363 Perhaps, but only about 0.01% of people are non-binary and there are only so many characters you can put into a film.
@eatsrocks
@eatsrocks Жыл бұрын
@@mechinateyou just said the same thing as the person they replied to.
@unimportant246
@unimportant246 Жыл бұрын
@@mechinate theres around 1.2 Million non binary ppl in the US alone Literally one non transphobic character who brings the slightest nuance to this transphobic garbage fire would have been enough
@km72327
@km72327 8 ай бұрын
I saw this on someone’s list of top horror video essays, and I’m glad I found it. this is such a good in-depth analysis, thank you. So many video essays will just summarize the plot of a movie and gesture vaguely at running threads, but you really map it out here. You have a lot of little observations that I really appreciate, like how the dog looks like a lamb, how the movie probably intentionally left out any mention of crawford’s wife, catherine being like a reverse parallel to clarice.. and I really appreciate your take on buffalo bill as well
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay 8 ай бұрын
Thank you MK! I often fall into the trap of summarising plot myself, it's far too easy to slip into - but I managed to avoid it here. Really glad you enjoyed the video.
@SM-BSW
@SM-BSW 11 ай бұрын
About the Bechdel test... People forget that the term originated at the punchline to a "D*kes to Watch Out For" comic by Alison Bechdel. The "Bechdel test" came about when someone (Anita Sarkeesian I think?) took and ran with. I always found it kinda funny that a quippy one liner from a comic in 1985 became an IRL barometer for evaluating media representation in the 2010s.
@caitlinhall1903
@caitlinhall1903 Жыл бұрын
Yas it's finally here👏🏻👏🏻 well worth the slog, bravo buddyo, very interesting listen while I work on my crochet piece Also, obligatory twitch reminder because Amazon keeps shouting at me for not using my twitch prime subscription
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Thank you Caitlin, my new years resolution is to plan a return stream >:)
@caseymckenna7111
@caseymckenna7111 Жыл бұрын
This is your best work yet, and you know I’ve been around for a lot of it. Can’t wait to see where you go next.
@prettycringey
@prettycringey Жыл бұрын
Great video as always, it’s been such a pleasure to see your channel grow 🥰
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
😍😍😍 my buttercup 💕
@phaeton01
@phaeton01 Жыл бұрын
Lindsay Ellis did a great video on trans representation in cinema, detailing the 50s-70s deranged killer to the 90s-2000s decade long puke joke. I can’t actually think of any truly positive examples, maybe Pricilla queen of the desert, if only for the greatest screen insult of all time; “Why don’t you light your tampon and blow your box apart, it’s the only bang you’ll ever get”
@felisazure1820
@felisazure1820 Жыл бұрын
I really appreciated this video, especially the amount of nuance you introduced the main theme with along with the transgender topic. I was really worried at the start of this video, but I am so glad that even as an ally you recognize the problem with the character and how it was represented. I was especially impressed that you pointed out how harmful these representations can be because people then use them as examples to paint transgenders as dangerous people. A lot of allies I know are often too quick to shrug it off as "just fictional"/"just one's interpretation" (as you excellently put it) or take a work's word for it when they attempt to brush over all the bad implications. So overall, this was just really well done, and it felt like you really knew your stuff throughout the video. As a writer, I was also glad you mentioned on difficult this can be at times (I'm learning to loosen up about this in some areas and do my best to help other writers realize "you can't win them all"), but that we can still hold ourselves to some standards concerning serious topics and need to consider how things come across. If one's showcase supports the viewpoint of bigots, then it isn't a good representation and could be potentially dangerous, and again, I am so glad you pointed this out. Just 10/10 dealing with this topic. The movie's treatment of it personally makes me so uncomfortable as someone who is transgender myself that this film has sat on my movie blacklist for ages, and I don't plan to remove it anytime soon despite the interesting themes. So I'm glad I was able to hear about them still through your video and in such a well-explained and compassionate manner. Your takes on horror games are so refreshing, and it seems your takes on horror movies are much the same. We have a similar taste in horror and how we prefer these things to be written, so it was nice to hear you discuss this film, and if you ever want to discuss more horror movies in the future, I'll be looking forward to it!
@juju-uy4xj
@juju-uy4xj Жыл бұрын
i haven't finished the video, i’m on 17:52. but in the book one of the reason's ( or the one given ) jack picks clarice for the lecter task is because she has some experience with evaluating people / psychology / has some background in behavioral science. also this is from what i remember from the book!
@ayeurieleo7650
@ayeurieleo7650 Жыл бұрын
You really deserves more subscribers. Really interesting video. It's nice that you talk about something else than videos games (even though a love them), it opens doors of subjets and I'm here for it.
@NormDeMoss
@NormDeMoss Жыл бұрын
This was absolutely fantastic! You balance your usual humor with the incredibly serious subject matter, and you do so with aplomb. I'd subscribe if I hadn't already.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
I read this aloud to the PSN party ; - ; Thank you Norm
@pheebort
@pheebort Жыл бұрын
Yessss you finally managed to upload after 8 million tries!! Been so excited to watch this!
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Thank you Pheebort! Unfortunately I had to replace all the video clips with screenshots but I'm pretty happy with it
@dc526
@dc526 Жыл бұрын
This is really thoughtful, insightful work! Bravo, keep it up!
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Thank you Dave!!
@cerebralcathedral3247
@cerebralcathedral3247 Жыл бұрын
Just so it's said, I love your language skills, particularly your descriptive poetic sentence construction. A great example of what Ernest Hemingway calls, "Vigorous English". Top Marks, MertKayKay.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Thank you my Cerebral friend :D
@patricesmith2321
@patricesmith2321 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your thoughts and perspective. I agree we don’t know enough about the character of “Agent Clarice Starling”. This could be seen as yielding to the greater and proven wisdom (LEAVE YOUR AUDIENCE WANTING MORE). So there is a danger of a loss of balance in the story telling! Prosper good health, and happiness for the new year to you and yours 🎊 🎉
@IonIsFalling7217
@IonIsFalling7217 Жыл бұрын
LOVE Silence of the Lambs! And the other books (but not movies). Related to your sponsor bit though: I missed an online test one weekend in college because I was reading “The Passage,” and the professor did, in fact, understand, because she recommended the book. 😂
@dr.chamsburnerphone4386
@dr.chamsburnerphone4386 Жыл бұрын
Great video. When it was announced, I was insanely excited to see. You didn't dissapoint!
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Woooo this is the highest praise, thank you Dr Cham!! :D
@brentmartin1981
@brentmartin1981 Жыл бұрын
This is such a great in depth analysis of the film, it is one of my favorite films of all time and every time I watch it, I discover something different about it. This is true horror, the kind of horror where the villains are real and capable of real life evil acts. I think that Harris's books really changed the thinking about psychological horror, how scary the mind can truly be when it is not on your side.
@MonkeyDToniProductions
@MonkeyDToniProductions Жыл бұрын
Horror has so many forms. It can be scary, it can be fascinating, it can be disturbing, it can be confusing and at times... beautiful. This is what makes horror so great imo
@brentmartin1981
@brentmartin1981 Жыл бұрын
@@MonkeyDToniProductions yessss, and it is universal, bad things can happen to anyone at any time really.
@MonkeyDToniProductions
@MonkeyDToniProductions Жыл бұрын
@@brentmartin1981 Until you meet the character with infinite plot armour
@ChamiKhan13
@ChamiKhan13 Жыл бұрын
why the hell does this only have 4,000 ish likes (not even that!)??? your explanation is brilliant, your points are succinct and excellent, your analysis is as amazing as always, good god we need to get you to a million
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Thank you Chami!!! It means a lot
@alexbishop84
@alexbishop84 Жыл бұрын
Just found your channel and watched a few videos. Really love the content, and always excited to follow someone else from the UK😊
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
:o Thanks Alex! Always nice to meet a fellow UK dweller!!
@dyinginpink
@dyinginpink Жыл бұрын
Loving this content ! distracting me from writing my essay , very greatful !!
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Hehehehe it's a pleasure to distract!
@JoseDorda
@JoseDorda Жыл бұрын
Great video, I like your conclusion about how it is important for media to be somewhat open to interpretation to remain relevant and discussed over long periods of time, just as I also enjoy when you talk about UX.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Aww I am so glad you like my UX mumbo jumbo :D
@byrrnitdown
@byrrnitdown 8 ай бұрын
I think one of the points you made in the “author intent vs audience reaction” part of the video was really interesting. The idea that the need for/utility of interpretation is what takes art from good/unobjectionable to something more than that makes a lot of sense!
@DaimyoD0
@DaimyoD0 Жыл бұрын
44:12 "Billy embodies the negative stereotypes of trans people-big hulking heavy-jawed men with deep scary voices who throw on a dress simply to do harm to cisgendered women-and feeds back into those stereotypes in turn. It's simply a bad representation." Oof, yeah, when you put it that way, it feels pretty obvious now. I haven't seen this film in quite a long time, and I didn't watch it with the same understanding of gender I have today, so I don't think I really engaged with the implications very much at the time. I think you hit the nail on the head. Not to say that trans women need to pass or be especially feminine to be valid, but I agree, the character is in many ways a stereotype made into a serial killer. Not a great look. By the way, thanks for including closed captions in your videos. I appreciate the extra work you put in to presumably converting your scripts into captions. 51:38 Also thanks for doing the work of making the internet less infuriating to use lol. I agree with your metaphor regarding the communication of author intent as well, I've never thought of it that way.
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Aww thank you Daimyo! I appreciate that you always give me these meaty comments to read. No worries on the closed captions either, they're very relaxing to do (except when I go off script and I have to manually retype what I said!)
@DaimyoD0
@DaimyoD0 Жыл бұрын
@@MertKayKay Thanks, I'm glad to hear you appreciate them, because I enjoy writing them. Your content is very engaging, and in my opinion, encourages analysis from a new perspective. So I love to contribute whatever I can to the discussion. I hope you enjoy the rest of your day.
@queerlybeloved257
@queerlybeloved257 Жыл бұрын
this is such an excellent analysis. i learned a ton from it. thank you for making this and sharing it with us!
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Thank you 🥰😍
@StonedHunter
@StonedHunter Жыл бұрын
LOVED your break down. I actually didn't see this movie until college of all times cuz I was always a bit afraid of how gory it supposedly was. Ended up reading the book then watching the movie in a really interesting media literacy kind of class I was in. It was fascinating to see what subtle differences there are from the book to the movie and then even further to the NBC show (which i LOVE btw XD) and while I like the movie very much, I always got caught on how different Hopkins' performance was to the way Lecter is in the book and from there how Mikkelsen's performance brought it back. But anyway back on subject XD while it would have been nice personally to see Clarice end up alone at the end, I do really appreciate that they at least had her hook up with the guy who actually treated her like a person as opposed to the object like the rest of the men in the film. He was also the most straight forward in his advances, he was honest in how he felt and didn't try to use any dirty tricks to get at her. It's something I didn't fully notice until you pointed how how he just straight up asked her out. It also says a lot about how we're conditioned to just deal with men treating us as sub-human that we can completely miss it when one does because we're just not used to it.
@greywolf7577
@greywolf7577 Жыл бұрын
To be fair, I think our society tends to have a negative view of men who try to manipulate women. They are rarely ever presented positively in movies or talked about positively. Women manipulating men is more likely to be treated with a laugh because it is "gender flipped". I think part of the problem is that society expects men to ask out women on first dates. If women asked men out half the time A) I think women would find that it isn't as easy as they think and B) you'd probably find that women would act just as bad as men do now.
@StonedHunter
@StonedHunter Жыл бұрын
@@greywolf7577 Except it's only the most extreme, most violent acts of manipulation that society really frowns upon. Men are still encouraged to push back against a No. Men are still encouraged to be the SOLE moneymaker, leaving their partner entirely dependent on them so they cannot leave easily. Men are encouraged to channel pretty much any feeling into rage and violence... The list goes on and on and on. Yes men don't get taken seriously as victims as part of the idea that women are 'weaker' therefore it's either shameful for a man to be a victim or he's secretly into it as far as society goes. It's all still patriarchy. And no, women would not immediately all act like that. That's the same damn argument that was used by the people who wanted to keep being allowed to own other humans as slaves... "Well if we give them equal rights they'll treat us the way we abused them for centuries" is not a valid nor legitimate argument...it's fear mongering. The truth is if we were treated equally (and as such felt SAFE to ask men out, which we don't cuz we have NO idea which one is fine and which one will kill us) then overall EVERYONE would get better treatment cuz there wouldn't be a passed along, violently (yes i do mean actual violence) enforced sense of superiority from one group towards another...
@greywolf7577
@greywolf7577 Жыл бұрын
​@@StonedHunter Your comment reminded me of the Meme where a girl posted about how she told a boy no and he then ignored her and she wanted to know why he didn't try harder to get her to date him. I agree that there are some men who don't take no for an answer, but there are also some women who play hard to get and purposefully give mixed signals. Hopefully we get fewer of both of those types of people. If a man makes less money than his wife, many people in society, including often the wife herself, sees him as lazy or under achieving, whereas women aren't generally seen as under achieving if they make less than their husbands. Even at the beginning of relationships, I think you'd still find today that women are much less likely to date someone who makes less money than her, whereas men are much more willing to date women that make less money than him. Being a stay at home wife can be limiting, but given that she can get half of the family bank account and properties and sometimes alimony, it doesn't trap women as much as people might think. I disagree that men are encouraged to channel pretty much any feeling into rage and violence. If a man hits a woman, he is seen as an abuser. If a woman hits a man, people often ask what he did to deserve it. I've seen videos where a male and female actor will pretend to abuse each other in the street. When the man is physically pushing around the woman, other people rush in to stop it. When the woman is physically pushing around the man, people either ignore it or smirk at it. It is very rare to see a movie where a good male character hits a woman. It is far more common to see a movie where a woman slaps a man and it is presented as justified. Asking a man out is no more dangerous to a woman than a man asking a woman out is to a woman. I think people just see it as strange for a woman to ask out a man and so they treat it as dangerous when in reality it would probably be safer for women than the current set up because they'd get more choice in who they want to date. I do think there is a lot of sexism that teaches that women would never do some of the bad things that men do because women are seen as more pure than men are.
@missing_name
@missing_name 8 ай бұрын
Honestly, I will forever be sad about the near irreversible damage the whole “the curtains are just blue” thing did. Like it just killed media analysis for so many people.
@bellejameson1084
@bellejameson1084 Жыл бұрын
I just discovered your account, I am absolutely in love with your content!
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Thanks Belle! Welcome 😁🥹
@TwiddleFingersDB
@TwiddleFingersDB Жыл бұрын
Brilliant analysis! Love your vids!
@abbypierce4196
@abbypierce4196 7 ай бұрын
I just found your channel and have been binge watching it. Your analysis are thoughtful and humorous 💕
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay 7 ай бұрын
Thanks Abby! Welcome 🤗
@derekneaz-nibur407
@derekneaz-nibur407 Жыл бұрын
I am a total goober, I have watched this movie at least a dozen times and I haven’t considered half of these things. Probably because I don’t have to actually face any of them, but also, I’m an ignorant philistine. Thank you for continuing to broaden my horizons dude, keep up the good work Merty
@huntercoleman460
@huntercoleman460 Жыл бұрын
Great video. This seem weird coming from a guy but Clarice is my favorite character in the movie. She’s so likable and you definitely want to learn more about her.
@evan12697
@evan12697 Жыл бұрын
“This seems weird coming from a guy but the heroine of the story is my favorite character” bro what
@huntercoleman460
@huntercoleman460 Жыл бұрын
@@evan12697 maybe I said because I assumed most guys like Hannibal Lector.
@ChuggleDBuglGames
@ChuggleDBuglGames Жыл бұрын
I never thought about how good of a movie this is for jumping back to and re interpret every few of years or so. Trying to think of what other character movies would fit in that too now.
@shik1563
@shik1563 Жыл бұрын
Ok, I need to rewatch this film. There are a lot of films I need to watch at an older age, I feel like I didn't get sub text when I was in my 20s
@ihatemickiegee
@ihatemickiegee Жыл бұрын
your raid shadow legends ad is the only sponsored ad on youtube that made me actually kinda wanna play raid shadow legends and as a film nerd, hannibal series lover, and silence of the lambs obsessor, i cant believe RSL is actually what i commented about
@JohnnyFatStones
@JohnnyFatStones Жыл бұрын
New Mertkaykay video yessss!!! :D
@daisy-td9qs
@daisy-td9qs Жыл бұрын
oh hell yea, 1hr mert kaykay analysis !!
@phantasmrain
@phantasmrain Жыл бұрын
Great video friend, finished watching it all now, among all your others too
@mlj3347
@mlj3347 Күн бұрын
You’re absolutely correct that the book has overt references to the male gaze and how this ostracizes Clarice. She explicitly resents the men around her and thinks often on how her gender impacts her moving around the world/her career/interactions with those around her.
@maddie4w
@maddie4w 11 ай бұрын
Late to this party, but really well articulated, I loved this analysis. Well done, thank you for your work!
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay 11 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks Maddie :D
@altairofastora
@altairofastora 10 ай бұрын
Really great vid!
@readdeeply9278
@readdeeply9278 Жыл бұрын
I'd always had a problem with Clarice's fragility. They paint her as so delicate and volatile, that irl she would never have gotten through Quantico. She falls into every trap set for her and it seems like her gender pre-identifies both the process in how these traps are set, and the outcome. Buffalo Bill was supposed to be based loosely on Ed Gein, another weirdo from my home state of Wisconsin. Shades of Norman Bates, Hollywood seems pretty content to just jumble all kinds of psychological states and conditions together to whip up the desired result. With all their wealth, you'd think they would hire a clever writer with some psych background for this sort of script.
@veloc.raptor9136
@veloc.raptor9136 Жыл бұрын
What I find hillarious is that when people talk about "strong female characters" they often give examples exactly of the opposite, of what the male gaze sees as a strong female: - Silence of the Lambs = Claire acts and talks the way she does because its the only way she will get the people who hold power (men) to give her what she needs - Alien: Ripley's direct orders not to bring in the infested crewmate is ignored - Metroid: Samus' gender identity becomes irrelevant in the suit. The point is not that shes a girl who kicks ass, but that her womanhood is insignificant until the post credits. Terminator: Sarah's importance is only that of the mother of the Hero, not as a hero herself. Without this aspect of her, her life is meaningless to both the hero and the villain It seems like the concept of womanhood in media existed back then only in the way men can understand it, if that makes sense
@alexforce9
@alexforce9 Жыл бұрын
Thats some massive bs you wrote lol. Ripleys orders may have been ignored, but she still kicks ass. The trope of "Main character warns people about danger and they dont listen to him/her" is old as time. Your understanding that a strong character is unfailable and have complete autority and control is WRONG. I can list you male protagonist in same/similar situations. Sarah Connor - she wanst even a mother yet in the first movie you muppet lol. She was one of the 3 MAIN CHARACTERS. And the whole plot was around her. In the second movie we see her grow as warrior and protector of her child. Moma bear if you will. Did you forget that scene in the end where she blasts the main bad guy with a shoutgun? Or where she invades some dudes house coz to kill him and destroy the chip from the first movie? TO STOP THE APOCALYPSE! Jonh Connor is basically a mcguffin in the movies. You can replace him with a flashdrive - the stary stays the same. He is not a real character. We never see him fight or overcome stuff. He is there to be important. He is NOT THE HERO OF THE STORY.
@nont18411
@nont18411 Жыл бұрын
Ripley - the whole “smart person or scientist trying to warn people but got ignored and led to disaster” is such a common trope in any disaster movies regardless of gender. Plus, people didn’t disobey her because she’s a woman. They disobeyed her because they were too emotional to let Kane die on a deserted planet and saw her practical suggestion as too heartless not to rescue Kane. Also, Kane got in the ship anyway because an android opened the door against her command for his own ulterior motive (bringing back an alien lifeform). Other than that she’s badass and became strong all the way through both to protect herself and those she loves. Ripley is one of the first “final girls” in cinematic history. Sarah Connor - Sarah’s role was just a mother of a hero…only in the first half of the first movie. She was just a naive waitress victim who was confused about why a muscular robot from a future tried to kill her until the second half when Kyle was killed and she had to be the one who solve the problem for herself. Since then her character development went through the roof. She’s actually the protagonist of the second movie. She became cynical, paranoid and extremely violent warrior to the point that she almost became a psychopath killer trying to kill Dyson thanks to her obsession, almost becoming a terminator like Arnold in the first movie. Then she realized her flaws and by seeing the relationship between Arnold and John Connor developed, she became more open-hearted and realized Arnold’s humanity by the end of the story. John Connor might be the “chosen one” but the story truly focuses on Sarah. She was even the one who gave the ending speech in the end of second movie.
@MonkeyDToniProductions
@MonkeyDToniProductions Жыл бұрын
You seem to not understand what these characters are about then
@silverstorm3729
@silverstorm3729 Жыл бұрын
God, I hate the whole obession with "strong female characters" and "It's a form of womanhood men can understand" is such a succinct way of explaining why. Great points all around. Sorry about the condescending comments your getting, looks like you struck a nerve.
@MonkeyDToniProductions
@MonkeyDToniProductions Жыл бұрын
@@silverstorm3729 He or she gave good examples of strong female characters, ngl Although we probably couldn’t have cared less about rather Samus is a female or a male as long as the devs get it right
@Reading_the_comments
@Reading_the_comments Жыл бұрын
I read the book before I watched the movie and I think that's why I never looked at Buffalo Bill as anything more than a guy who was a complete psychopath, who had a twisted fantasy of somehow ascending from his real life into someone else completely once he put on the skin suit....book went into a lot of detail about how he was absolutely not transsexual. I wish the movie could've got that point across in a more clear concise way.
@ameliaacker6246
@ameliaacker6246 27 күн бұрын
Horror is cultural commentary, with the villains often manifesting cultural fears and tensions. So yeah. It’s about women, and even if it wasn’t originally intended to be (which it probably was), it is now, given our societal context. Thanks for the video essay!
@insertfunnynamehere1673
@insertfunnynamehere1673 Жыл бұрын
Loved the vid, you always bring some new perspective I hadn't thought about. You've clearly put a lot of thought into this movie, and I'm always impressed by how well you can put your ideas into words and make convincing arguments. Something I struggle with, as evidenced by that last sentence. You were a bit all over the place with Bill's pronouns, jumping between he/him and they/them. Wasn't sure if that was intentional?
@MertKayKay
@MertKayKay Жыл бұрын
Aww thank you FunnyName! :D It means so much. And as for the pronouns, I definitely jumped around mostly down to whichever source I was looking at when writing. But I also get confused a lot when speaking aloud (you'll notice I called the film 'a game' so many times)
@johnnybensonitis7853
@johnnybensonitis7853 Жыл бұрын
It kinda sucks to imagine how maybe Bill and Clarice could have discovered they shared a sort of mutual misunderstanding in their lives had they met some years before the first book. This was one powerhouse of a movie and the actors/director were so goddamn on point that the tension on a first watch felt almost real. Bill was great being an even worse asshole in Shutter Island (Ted something, I forget the actors name but he's great) where he casually asks Leo what might happen if he went to bite his eye out of his head. Maybe the actor writes his own lines and people just put some of that into movies. Great vid! I damn near forgot about that uneasy microscope the movie put on the men/Clarice relations in the workplace! That shit is so uncomfortable it's painful.
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