Nick Koumalatsos a former Marine Raider veteran stated that going into Afghanistan with a clean shave because some random officer wanted them to, and not a lot of people respected them until they had a long enough beard. We want foreign nations to be scared of women, most nations don’t even believe in women’s rights…

It's refreshing to hear someone speak honestly and be realistic rather than idealistic.

Women serving alongside men as SF? Absolutely not. If they want to be in SF, then have all women units that have their own physical standards. Pretending women can can compete physically at the same level as men (especially as a Green Beret) is fucking ridiculous.

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!!!!! Being Army Ranger Sniper & Advancing To Tier 1 JSOC 18 Delta Force CAG Squad D & G. (32.+ Years) Women Can’t Handle The Q-Course Alone & Can’t Same Maintain Fair & Equal Physical Requirements As Male. 2 Female Officers Already Passed & Made It Through Ranger School For Political Reasons. WOW Ranger School Is That Easy Females Can Get Tab Like They Did. No Females Have Done It Since. Let’s See If There Will Ever Be Female Marine MARSOC Raiders. The Marine Commandant Would NEVER Allow It. How About Female Seals? G.I. Jane Movie Was Hollyweird & A CROCK. NO Female Can Pass SF Green Beret Or ANY Other SF Community In Other Branches When Held To Equal Physical & Not To Mention Mental Aspect. They Would Be Given A Different Set Of Standards Which Allow Them To Pass With Special Treatment. This Discussion Is Directly Irresponsible & Unrealistic. If There Are Women That Are Allowed To Pass Ranger School Then Hell Lets Allow Them In All The Branches Of Special Forces. Then After Special Treatment & IF & When They Go Operational The Horrific & The Ugliest Missions Ordered To Carry Out? Their Stomach Wouldn’t Handle It Mentally & Physically Makes It IMPOSSIBLE For Women To Be In ANY REAL SPECIAL FORCES COMMUNITY Unless Of Course WE DROP STANDARD REQUIREMENTS FOR ALL TO MAKE FAIR & EQUAL For Men!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't realize the amount of weight green berets carry. I did a hiking trip to the mountains of New Mexico with about 50 to 60 pounds in gear; it was brutal...I cant imagine carrying 100+ pounds of equipment; I'm not a big guy; I'm about 5'7, 150 pounds

Well said brother, as a father, why would I want my daughter fighting on the front line for a government whom hates her

Short and sweet answer...no. Long and complex answer... no. Have a nice weekend brothers.

You should do a vid on the importance of Strength training since this is a similar topic. I hear too much about just meeting Cardio & endurance standards or calisthenics. But I feel this is as important as that as it improves explosiveness, reduces injury, improves ruck, and allows you the ability to drag your teammate if ever a situation comes up.

Couldn’t agree more. Good video bro

Everyone always says "as long as the standards are met". Problem is the Army's ability to enforce the standards. Specifically SWCS. Refer to the letter released by the cadre back in 2017. Inclusiveness sounds great, however, war doesn't care about your gender. Just your ability to perform. The day the NFL has females on the field is the day SF should allow them through selection.

💯agree, whoever can pass selection standards as-is should be a green beret or SEAL or ranger or whatever. But the moment you lower standards to meet a quota,sexual orientation doesn’t matter. When you lower your standards you get lower standard personnel. That is a fact!

Love the realism and the straight up truth in this. Unpopular thing to do but good on ya for addressing the elephant in the room.

Im a woman in the army working towards getting into (without going into details) the spec ops field. all of the points you talk about are so true. There are so many smu selections i can pass and job options working alongside sf with higher standards, but honestly, even as an aspiring badass id never think that im capable of passing gb selection as it is, nor would i want to. Shannon kent is a really big role model for me, incredible woman, working with sof, doing incredible things, while not having to be a GB or ranger to achieve that. Its a big problem to lower standards just to try and encourage inclusivity.

I know a female soldier, who is tough as hell and a crazy shot. But when she tried to train with the SF, she couldnt keep up physically. There are definetly women out there who can, but those are the exception and not the rule.

They shouldn't even be infantry

You bring great points!!!!

I am a die hard feminist, but this is probably the one and only case where I say, let those who are the most capable physically handle the job. It's not fair to the SFs to put people who do not meet the physical standards on the team just for the sake of diversity. A soldier who's not up to the standards, regardless of their gender, would be a liability for their team and it wouldn't be fair to the soldier him- or herselft to be put in an extreme situation they most likely will not survive so that the army can go and say "heeey, look how diverse we are!". I wouldn't want to be that soldier, would you? Also, please don't say men and women are the same, we're not, and saying we are implies women who don't meet physical standrards for men aren't giving their best when we in fact are. I am really fit, I've been training for years and my partner who doesn't train half as long or half as hard can still lift more weight than me. Imagine what he would be capable of if he actually worked out. You guessed it, a lot more than I would ever be capable of. Sure, there are women who meet the requirements, let them be in Special Forces, those sistas have earned it. But don't lower the standards to get more women in special forces, because if they aren't up to the task, they will likely die trying to do it and it is not fair to them, their families or society.

Yes because indigenous soldiers will totally respect a female… Yeah could you imagine a female Green Beret in a remote A-Camp, terrible idea

you are 100% correct. Back in the day we had ,"pre phase" not sfas and there was zero women It was a different time in the late 70's

Went to selection classes 04-22 and 06-22 as an 18X. Failed land nav first go, was a 21 day non-select my second go. Both times I went there was 1 female there. First one didn’t make it past gate week. Second one was a 21 day non-select as well. Although I wasn’t on a team with her ever I was told by some friends that although she wasn’t pulling the same weight as the men during team week on any of the events she wasn’t being dropped as a “safety” violation or being punished with sandbags the same way the men would be if we were only putting out the way she was. Essentially she got “carried” through team week but they didn’t select her anyway. Not sure what the point of that was.

I want to go into special reconnaissance for the airforce. I don’t think standards should be lowered either and am determined to meet those qualifications and I’ll keep trying until I do

Not just no F no I was 11B you put 60 to 100lbs on the back of a women she crumbles like a wet crouton. Men had a hard time keeping pace with a full load out. Make her the 240B gunner....

I believe the Green Beret is skipping over the biggest issue: SOF specific jobs like SF, SEAL, Raiders, Air Tactical, Ranger and ect. are men's spaces. Those spaces should stay that way with women in support.

The push occured because the secretary of the army and assistant secretary of defense were women.

I agree with most points, basic point for me is if women can pass the same vetting the rest can be handled and there is women out there who are tough enough for sure. Lowering the standards is the biggest issue, the training courses are set up to filter out the weak links for good reasons

Short answer is No Long answer is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I was a bomb loader in the USAF. We both Men and Women loaders. We had very very few women able to work on the flight line, most worked in back shop doing repairs. I also worked with men that didn’t have either the mental ability, mechanical aptitude or mental toughness to make it either. If you can do the job without lowering standards then I’m fine with it but with that being said women in non-eastern cultures are liability. Especially in cultures where women tend to be second class citizens or slaves to a man.

Well said.

I think you are right on Diversity requirements causing problems, but I think if you look at history with the OSS, French Resistance and even Kate Wilder managed to pass Q course in 1980 after spending 4 years working with SOF before attempting the course women are capable of it, but as always the SF community should be our best of the best. Early GWOT there was such as demand for more SF they started wearing down the pipelines across the branches and that is something that should never have started.

Women SHOULD NOT be in Special Forces

You’re right

Hey man, nothing to do with your opinion, but have you read the story "Sweetheart of the Song Tra Bong" by Tim O'Brien?

It's a damn disgrace that this must be talked about. This country is in trouble. Women have no place in any combat arms unit.

Korean women have been allowed to serve in the army special forces for quite some time now. This is in case there is a hostage situation or undercover situation where a female would be much more suited. HOWEVER off the bat, the army has made a strict divide between pfts for males and females, and even seperate pipelines. Many schools are closed off to women, and it is common knowledge that women "have it easy." They can still outrun my chubby ass! -former rok marine

What you’ve described are features not bugs of the system

Another problem is pregnancy. Had so many women sent back after getting knocked up down range. Shouldn’t happen but it does happen

Not just NO.... HELL NO! Ask a support guy how much trouble and bullshit they pull, even on a good day... Some of the most vidictive, callous assholes you've ever had the trouble to deal with.

Ok, I think that women should be allowed to try if there are no lower standards. However, I believe it should only be the GB. Hear me out; many cultures in the Middle East don’t allow men and women to interact, and GB are force multipliers, and work with the natives. Having a woman able to work with the other women in the village.. especially providing medical care, could be beneficial to the mission. This is just a thought.

If they don't change the standards back by time im 20, im just going to be a navy sarc.

Funny question for you, i know their are tons of joke about not having enough sleep in the military but you have that sleep-deprivation eyes so do your eyes always look like that or you’re just sleepy? ?

I actually wonder how much standards lowering is due to recruitment issues more than appealing to women for SF. Recruiting crisis is big and at one point Big Army was going to let in people who didn’t have high school diplomas. Standards have been lowered in general including for males not just to recruit females in the name of DEI or the niche but genuine benefits they have or for the simple fact that for a lot of roles in the army the usual anti women -they can’t lift- argument doesn’t really apply. I do think this opens the discussion back to women in infantry units. And while relationships could be a problem, one would hope professional standards and ethics would avert relationships like that even on an ODA team. How do infantry units handle stuff like this? I’m sure there have been cases where it happens but also plenty of cases where it doesn’t happen in infantry units and even when it does th unit hasn’t spontaneously combusted and ceased to function. But I get it, workplace drama can be annoying. I do feel that infantry is naturally held to lesser standards than SF so I feel like it’s not problematic for women to be there in principle. Obviously it’s best if there’s a universal set of standards for both genders but that’s not it for line units. I do feel like there are plenty of women into bodybuilding or BULKing in the gym scene that can definitely outlift a good portion of men simply cause they ain’t lifting. So maybe one day, one woman will actually pass these SOF schools or any standards test of their own accord on a more universal scale. I feel like it diminishes the # of women who can serve it would be worthwhile and ultimately raise credibility for the few women who can pass it if they’re interested enough to enlist. Feels like a glass ceiling just waiting to be broken. At the same time, we see women fighting in mixed units in places like Israel and most recently Ukraine and it seems relatively fine. NBD. And they are definitely field infantry units not POG roles

I believe that if you can meet or (preferably) exceed the standard and do your job correctly you should be allowed to earn your position. Whether that be in SF, Regular Military or in the Civilian world. I am a female who has done and participated in male dominated activities, I KNOW those standards are there for a reason (I've had to meet and exceed them in my time) and I don't believe they should be unjustly lowered. I also believe whole heartedly that if we seriously start training everyone from a young age the same, this whole outdated and misogynistic view of women( It's exactly what it is and it's time to be honest about it) will start to turn. You're starting to see the results of that type of training in all types of martial arts especially in grappling and MMA. Girls that were given the opportunity to train hard the same as the boys are now forces to be reckoned with and they're only getting better, stronger and faster with each new generation. And Logically it makes sense, Why wouldn't you want a larger pool of capable people to choose from if your current batches aren't up to par? As far as getting comfortable with the idea that you have to do what the rest of the world does and work with members of the opposite sex for the vast majority of your workhours...I mean, you're lagging behind. Add to that there's this constant chest thumping of being absolute professionals and just incredibly elite operators, can you really say that if pitching a tent is all that's needed to wipe it all away? Hold everyone accountable to that standard across the board, if they can't then clearly they don't meet the standard and don't need to be there. Clear cut, man or woman if they can't be professional and do their jobs get them out. I can guarantee the ones left will be the ones you absolute want representing your organization.

If the standards are EXACTLY the same. Give them a fair shot to try out. However, it doesent seem like they are able to pass.

Scary!

It depends if they can meet the existing standards.

What parts of the Q are you referring to that have been removed?

9:20 I think its a bit much to say they don't respect women. They respect them and their roles, but don't think they are equal to a man especially in the physically demanding world they live in. As someone smart said, "The closer we get to survival the more we aline to our natural roles." P.s Hopefully i wont be one of those weak GB's(18x shipping out in January)

have you work with Japanese SFGp?

There should just be a female special forces group that allows members to be attached to other units for specific things where a female could be advantageous. Good examples could be things like close protection or special reconnaissance where the circumstances would specifically benefit from having a female or females on the board. Simple fact is in a lot of situations a female could be damn near fucking invisible whereas a male would arise suspicion. Could there ever be a scenario where a team of exclusively female personnel operate on their own? Yeah it's feasible but it would be very circumstantial and as said at the start it would probably operate far more commonly on an 'attached to unit' basis in the same manner as something like Air Combat Controllers where they're literally attached to a unit for a specific role.

Yes, women should be S qualified in parallel standards (not the same as men and in female only units), imagine training effective female guerrillas like the JPG in islamic countries or very effective female snipers, BUT women should only operate with other women in special units, carrying a dude with 70 pounds of gear is one thing, but carrying another gal could be possible

I dont think they should be infantry based. I think it would be a good idea to see w0myn in their own sf units for intelligence gathering. A beautiful w0myn has a higher chance of getting to a high ranking general and getting all the info out of him than a dude trying to fight him head on. It makes more sense for women to be in a unit where their skills are utilized more properly. This just makes more sense.

Do a vid about thoughts on ca and psyop

There is a reason women aren’t in the NFL. Team dynamics do not need to be politicized and in most of the countries I deployed to, females don’t/can’t have a voice amongst men.

Absolutely not. Our military is so desperate for recruits this is what they are doing, it would be hilarious, if it wasn’t so stupid.

I have no disagreements with any part of this video. Pretty soon in the Army we won’t be able to be this honest with troops at all.

Women have played an important role in warfare, especially in the areas of Intelligence Operations, Guerilla Warfare and behind the lines operations. One only has to look at the contributions made by women during WWII with the British Special Operations Executive (SOE); However Special Operations Forces are a different matter; the level of physical fitness and physical punishment that members must put themselves through to carry out the mission, as well as the ability to maintain unit cohesiveness under times of extreme stress is hard enough without having to worry about the female in the unit and in todays age where Females are claiming Sexual Harassment at the drop of hat, SOF Team members have enough worries without having to worry that they will say the wrong thing in the middle of an operation. Canadian Armed Forces Warrant Officer (Ret) 38 Years Service.

I agree with most of your points brother but after seeing a few of the past female graduates of SFAS, I highly doubt there'd be any sexual tension while taking up space in tight living quarters on missions. It's kinda like the old don't ask don't tell policy from back in the day. Not all gay men want to sleep with all straight men , same with gay women lol. Once I had this explained to me by one of my gay soldiers back in the day, it made sense. Besides, have you seen the women going out for SF? They all look like relatively in shape bald headed teenage boys and I don't see them diverging from that look moving forward from the Q Course lol. Even if they might happen to like men (more than likely they won't), I just can't fathom them going through the whole pipeline leading up to being on a Team and suddenly turning into a sex kitten lol. My issue like yours is with lowering the standards and operating in not so woke environments. Our job was hard and the training should continue to reflect the real world missions future operators will be participating in. Great points nonetheless bro.

Should females be Green Berets? Of course! Every team should have a 'comfort lady' along for stress management.

in specific mission sets women could be an asset

hooking up worked great for the greeks :D

They can't be any worse than some of the whiners we had in the 80's & 90's.

Former US infantry soldier here.... I'm not going to even finish the video before I comment. NO women in special forces. Any woman who thinks she can keep up has more issues at hand than not being selected for that particular job. Period.

Honestly I don’t have a problem with women being special operators, but lowering fitness standards to do it is pretty damn dumb.

why dont you talk to sean buck roger about it,hes a former green beret and he did a video on it,maybe you can can debate.

Picking up 370lbs of dead weight from the ground is nearly impossible. Drop the gear save the man. There is no way a man could do that and be quick enough not to be shot himself.

Id be more supportive, if they kept the same standards.

I know rare females are in SMUs but these roles are less oriented around dealing with deprivations and SFs doctrinal role so its all kabuki.

Women should not be in forward deployed combat units. USA ABN Infantry vet 2011-20

Could not agree with you more. If you lower the standards for any program, you ultimately compromise the intended goal of the program.

Can we just go back to that thing we used to call "common sense"...

Without dropping standards they won't make it in

Women should definitely not be in any special ops unit other than support and logistics. No way in hell can any female hold her own with Rangers, SF, SEALs, Raiders, Delta Force, DEVGRU, Force Recon.. it’s a joke to even think they can!

Like a Crouton

Naw

Yes, as long as standards are upheld and not given free passes compared to their male counterparts. There are females out there that can really perform, and I believe females can perform certain roles better than men based off different cultures of the world. Physical training needs to be taken into consideration because based on social media too many females for some reason just train pilates or anything to make their ass look bigger. Off-topic but I'm all for steroids being given out in the military to increase performance and lethality if given safe dosage, or why has no one bother to make them safer with increased benefits?

This is why I wish I was a man.

No

NO.

No woman has made it through yet

You will never see women in the seals. lolololol.

Did you say there's women in delta wtf how is that possible are they just blasted tren or what. Isnt delta the top sf guys.

No disrespect to women but, the reality is that women do not have the physical capabilities to handle SF. The SF guys are BIG. No woman can match that. Think about the injury factor because, once these injuries occur, they are yours for life and limit what you can do and how well you age. Listen to Nate!

Coming from a female. NO! Imagine sleeping in a confined space, putting the men at risk trying to help the females. Girls…. WE ARE NOT AT THAT LEVEL 🤷🏼‍♀️

Why not just make a sof unit specifically for women’s ???

Serious question. How do you know the lowered physical standards are intended to pass more females? Is it possible that they are just shifting the assessment emphasis away from physical ability and more towards other attributes? (Like intelligence, communication, mental toughness ect.)

Call them female special forces 😂😂😂😂😂😂 don't aline this with the males they are different and need to prove themselves.

Women should not be in the military at all.

If you’re not mature enough to refrain from sleeping with someone on your team, you probably shouldn’t be in special forces

I shouldn’t be a spicy topic. But I think their should be a lioness team of special operators that are strictly women.

I met one captain woman sf, she is the beast, can give a run for money of any dude. If she can perform to the standard who is to care? Talking about mission of SF, woman is definitely a plus. Before, there was many attached woman for middle east and Africa to talk to woman of the village

Women should be allowed in the special forces, when there are no longer men around to join the special forces

The military, no matter which branch was not meant to be a social experiment

Nope, unless they would have a women only unit, put them with men, it would be a total cluster

If a woman wants to try out and is able to meet the same standards as men than I’m all for it 100%. Once you start lowering standards it becomes a joke and not what it’s supposed to be. Especially in SF, it’s not a normal desk job where everything is same for men and women this is a very different thing all together. So if the standards are met and they get in , bravo 👏. If not bye Felicia. Or ya do an all female team for certain operations. Idk, regardless it’s gonna be a shit show no matter if it’s fair or skewed to favor the ladies in the courses.

We’re you in Zamboanga?

In my opinion once that happens we just lost the Fight and fighting in field won't be the same as the enemy will be laughing and throwing jokes at y'all from afar. Low Moral will occur. This will weaken the toughest mthrfkrs mental stage

The Marines now have women in their Recon units

At the rate Democrats are going no doubt you'll soon have Trans in your team. While the world watches and laughs at us.

Women shouldn't be in sf because one of them broke up with me

No