Woodturning with Resin: How To Fill Large Cracks

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PF Woodturning

PF Woodturning

8 ай бұрын

This gnarly looking log gets transformed into a beauty of a vase. Let me know what you think down in the comments.
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Пікірлер: 184
@paullindgren1297
@paullindgren1297 8 ай бұрын
Love the vase. I know your busy but I'd love to see a video each week. Gives us all something to look forward to.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Working on it!
@mleatruitt3483
@mleatruitt3483 8 ай бұрын
Nice to see a female turning! Love the piece!
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@philvale5724
@philvale5724 8 ай бұрын
Hi 👋, PF, Great looking 👀 peace of art, well done 👍, Patience pays off in the long run, ❤, Phil from the moulin France.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks, Phil!!
@todddembsky8321
@todddembsky8321 8 ай бұрын
Once again -- A Peggy Masterpiece!!! Save a Peggy, buy a Vase
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
😎✅
@trinciacakewalk
@trinciacakewalk 8 ай бұрын
Beautiful. I like the blue and Green stripes. 😻
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you! 😊
@markbrown1011
@markbrown1011 8 ай бұрын
I like the part when you are hiding behind the very beautiful bowl, very nice turn.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Lol. Thanks, Mark!
@nancydenmark1614
@nancydenmark1614 8 ай бұрын
Very pretty. Love the blue accents.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@jarmstrong2843
@jarmstrong2843 8 ай бұрын
Nice vase, PF. It is good to see that you have some sponsors to your channel. Your hard work is beginning to pay off. Also, the ad ponsorships go to show that you have gained trust with advertisers. That means you are doing a good job. But, I wish Carter & Son tools would offer a sponsorship since you have gone out of your way of promoting their tools for quite some time FREE of charge and out of the goodness of your heart because you believe in their products. At the least, they could say THANK YOU.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks. Carter and Son did send me a couple tools a year or so ago. They're great!
@jarmstrong2843
@jarmstrong2843 8 ай бұрын
@PFWoodturning That was nice. Last time I heard from you about sponsoring or getting stuff from Carter & Sons was a couple of years ago when you first mentioned desiring them to be a sponsor. Glad you got something! The tools were a very nice gesture.
@leighw9684
@leighw9684 8 ай бұрын
I second your praise for Tuck Tape...amazing stuff! Beautiful vase, too. Actually, I envision it as a great holder for kitchen stuff...big wooden spoons, spatulas, etc.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Great idea!
@barry.w.christie
@barry.w.christie 6 ай бұрын
Beautiful, I especially love the differing colours of the wood and the resin just adds to the overall beauty 👍
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 6 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@im4dabirds
@im4dabirds 8 ай бұрын
Great project, and YES!!!! Tuck tape does the job!
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Yes it does!
@richardmead9785
@richardmead9785 8 ай бұрын
Beautiful result from the Mahoney’s!
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Love the Mahoney's!
@lorainenatalino5534
@lorainenatalino5534 8 ай бұрын
Beautiful piece…love the touches of color and the shape….the variations in the grain color really add to it’s beauty…love it…
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@michaelogden5958
@michaelogden5958 8 ай бұрын
I think with all the work you put into that, you could rightfully call it a "vahze". Nice job!
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Haha! Yes!
@gfsimmons1
@gfsimmons1 8 ай бұрын
Your hair looks nice today
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
lol
@jackthompson5092
@jackthompson5092 8 ай бұрын
Very beautiful vase Peggy.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks so much 😊
@StarTraveler649
@StarTraveler649 8 ай бұрын
Another great project !!
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@randyrockwell6136
@randyrockwell6136 8 ай бұрын
Always look forward to your videos Peggy and this was another great turning! I really like the contrast of the epoxy to the natural beauty of the wood itself 🥰🤠✌🏼
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@heathermacmillan962
@heathermacmillan962 8 ай бұрын
That looks amazing...the markings and colours look great 😁💙
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks so much 😊
@jeffwood2845
@jeffwood2845 8 ай бұрын
Very nice!
@Winterbourne_wood_turning
@Winterbourne_wood_turning 8 ай бұрын
Great firewood save Peggy. Not a lover of working resin myself, I don’t have the patience 🤣🇬🇧🇬🇧
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks 👍
@TotalBoat
@TotalBoat 8 ай бұрын
Such a beautiful piece!!
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@timsylvester9027
@timsylvester9027 8 ай бұрын
Fantabulous!
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@c.t.woodworks
@c.t.woodworks 8 ай бұрын
a serious effort the finally lovely piece as usual.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you kindly!
@claudiorosado1765
@claudiorosado1765 8 ай бұрын
I like watching your videos that's a nice vase came out real nice.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@calwilliegause5975
@calwilliegause5975 8 ай бұрын
Love the vase excellent ❤
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you! 😊
@stephenklebon7253
@stephenklebon7253 8 ай бұрын
Spectacular as always!
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@maddieadams75
@maddieadams75 8 ай бұрын
Beautiful vase 🤎🧡💛❤️
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks, Maddie!
@johndeavers2904
@johndeavers2904 8 ай бұрын
Beautiful vase
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much 😊
@joebrown5102
@joebrown5102 8 ай бұрын
You have redefined the phrase “white knuckling it” Great work, excellent video, entertaining.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@richardabbott5601
@richardabbott5601 8 ай бұрын
That looks really good
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@jeanlong4285
@jeanlong4285 8 ай бұрын
Beautiful piece.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 7 ай бұрын
Many thanks!
@timclosson7166
@timclosson7166 8 ай бұрын
Great job! Love it!
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@northernhumidor5615
@northernhumidor5615 8 ай бұрын
Love it!
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks!!
@geon1naz
@geon1naz 8 ай бұрын
Very Uniqe looking, realy nice Peg!
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@mnp1964
@mnp1964 8 ай бұрын
Looks cool Peggy I did not know you had one of the chipmunks on retainer for voice over for your total boat resin sounds cool blessings
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
I do!
@edwarddolphin9123
@edwarddolphin9123 7 ай бұрын
Beautiful
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 7 ай бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@glennprovenzano1837
@glennprovenzano1837 8 ай бұрын
beautiful
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you! 😊
@catgynt9148
@catgynt9148 8 ай бұрын
Beautiful juxtaposition of blue, light and dark wood. Your attention to details and seeing possibilities in a fractured lump of wood are amazing. Wishing you and your family a blessed holiday weekend filled with gentle seasonally appropriate weather and restful evenings together. Peace Peggy
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks, Cat!!!
@kiwdwks
@kiwdwks 8 ай бұрын
So nice...thanks!
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@johnpargeon5690
@johnpargeon5690 8 ай бұрын
Very nice turning! Looks like a lot of work, but the final product looks great!
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@geraldbush6536
@geraldbush6536 8 ай бұрын
Love it
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
😎
@dirkroggeveen5764
@dirkroggeveen5764 8 ай бұрын
Nice job, love it. 👍
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks 👍
@paulbombardier8722
@paulbombardier8722 8 ай бұрын
I have to admire your courage in working this log. With that many and large cracks i would have been tempted to just burn it. And missed out on a beautiful piece.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks 👍
@timponder7487
@timponder7487 8 ай бұрын
Resin is a great saver of cracked wood very nice Peggy
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Yes! Thank you!
@boooshes
@boooshes 8 ай бұрын
A technique that I routinely use for epoxy resin filling that helps minimize the voids (without using a pressure or vacuum pot) is to heat the wood around and in the cracks with a heat gun (not to extreme, but you want the cracks warm), apply the sealing tape, then heat the epoxy resin with the gun as you slowly pour it in. This significantly refuces the viscosity of the resin (making it act more like water) and the capillary action of the small cracks will draw the watery epoxy in, rather than resisting being filled. You do not want to use fast cure hardener and never heat the epoxy to a temperature where it starts to smoke. It works well for me to use a heat gun aimed ar the stream of epoxy as it is leaving my mixing container. Warming the wood first ensures that the epoxy doesn't cool too fast as it makes it's way into the cracks.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Great tips, thanks!
@raywaltersjr.2146
@raywaltersjr.2146 Ай бұрын
Great work!
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning Ай бұрын
Thanks!
@paulplager9498
@paulplager9498 7 ай бұрын
This is a very nice piece. I really like it
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 7 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@alinmayerthorpe7801
@alinmayerthorpe7801 8 ай бұрын
Very nice vase but getting all the cracks filled with resin looks a bit time consuming! Nice color and contrast, well done and thanks! Cheers Al
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@tompuskar4426
@tompuskar4426 8 ай бұрын
Great job, Peggy. Te vase looks beautiful. Have you ever considered making a hot glue "dam" around the cracks instead of using the tape? Would probably allow you to fill the cracks in a single pour with less mess. I've done it a number of times with good success. Just a thought.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Yes I have, I tend to have better luck with Tuck Tape.
@hughj776
@hughj776 8 ай бұрын
Great use of resin to rescue an un-turnable piece of wood. Beautiful piece. It's an amazing result using just tuck tape, star bond and skill :).
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@austinswift1602
@austinswift1602 8 ай бұрын
Beautiful work, Peggy. The cherry grain is so awesome, you picked the right knot! The colors of epoxy you used were perfect, and really made the contrast with the grain pop. Your instruction is as always top-notch. Cheers... 🙂
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@stephanielovatt2787
@stephanielovatt2787 8 ай бұрын
Yes, I do like it! The blue resin goes well with the wood. It looks like a rather large acorn! I'm particikarly glad you showed the use of resin on discrete cracks. These occur in a number of my works in progress. So, it's good to see how it's done. Thank you!
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@steves8815
@steves8815 8 ай бұрын
Great job
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@wetwillyccma
@wetwillyccma 8 ай бұрын
Love it! you did a fantastic job.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@karabarkdull2929
@karabarkdull2929 8 ай бұрын
Cool 😮
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
😎✌️
@glenglazier3691
@glenglazier3691 8 ай бұрын
Great looking bowl. Thanks for sharing.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@patdavis1468
@patdavis1468 8 ай бұрын
It turned out Beautiful 👍🏻❤️
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks, Pat!
@vernsteinbrecker3759
@vernsteinbrecker3759 8 ай бұрын
Really like the vase with the blue. Great job
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks.
@andreamassari9099
@andreamassari9099 8 ай бұрын
The Great and Beautiful Vase! 😊 Love it! Cheers
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks so much 😊
@traceyrice
@traceyrice 8 ай бұрын
This vase is so pretty! Nice job, Peggy. 💜
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you! 😊
@carldavis6902
@carldavis6902 8 ай бұрын
I kinda dig it !!
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
😎
@dianarodemeier6257
@dianarodemeier6257 8 ай бұрын
Very nice! The blue epoxy with the cherry wood is so pretty.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@martinleon281
@martinleon281 8 ай бұрын
You continue to inspire me to try new techniques. I always look for your videos. This one was great, as always. Thank you for sharing.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@gregjones2217
@gregjones2217 8 ай бұрын
I like it! I admire your talent, even more so your patience.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much 😀
@braddobson2060
@braddobson2060 8 ай бұрын
Very nice
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@WoodWizardrybyColin
@WoodWizardrybyColin 8 ай бұрын
Turned out really nice I like the resin colour too great combination
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks so much 😊
@antonioribeiro-gt4hx
@antonioribeiro-gt4hx 8 ай бұрын
❤ maravilhoso, parabéns
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Merci!
@dougwatts9342
@dougwatts9342 8 ай бұрын
Nice
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks
@alanbutler1657
@alanbutler1657 8 ай бұрын
Nice turn, great use of resin. Have you tried a Spindle Roughing Gouge, I found them very effective for this type of turning. Great modelling job too.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks. Yes, I've tried a spindle roughing gouge.
@tomcollier2444
@tomcollier2444 8 ай бұрын
I do similar work filling long cracks with resin, and find filling from the end grain traps a lot of air causing voids. My method now is to rough turn to a parallel cylinder, ie no curves. Lay the log flat and fill each crack one at a time. When pouring I agitate the resin in the crack with a long stiff wire. Still get those annoying 'pin' holes but nowhere near as bad as those you demonstrate here. Coincidentally, much of my current output is cherry, being as I have so much of it at the moment. A fellow turner informed me that cherry is prone to develop fine line cracks during sanding, which I have experienced more than once. Like most woods heat can cause this but this guy is of the opinion that cherry is worse than most. I'm inclined to agree! Anyway, I love your end result, cherry is so well figured and the pieces I have at home mellow with age and the grain becomes more defined. Gotta love a bit of cherry!!
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Yes, I don't get a lot of cherry, so it's nice once in a while. Thanks for watching.
@user-by3mm4qp4w
@user-by3mm4qp4w 8 ай бұрын
I struggle with the EWT hollowing tools sometimes. I have a set of John Jordans if you can still get them (I think his wife still sells them) They are HSS tips and can do a great job with aggressive hollowing without the chatter you may get with EWT on harder woods. That said, I think the EWT #1 is the best hollowing tool they make.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info!
@raydriver7300
@raydriver7300 8 ай бұрын
Peace out. Nice vase, Peggy. I’ve just turned two vases using a piece of 350 year old oak beam. I also used tape and resin to fill in the gaps. As always , thank you for sharing. 🌞
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Very cool! Thanks.
@chrisjohnston2449
@chrisjohnston2449 8 ай бұрын
Another lovely piece. I like the way you filled the voids with epoxy. I have used water jugs, pails of all sorts of sizes and shapes to fill in the voids in the past, but your way certainly has very little waste
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@michaellombard4544
@michaellombard4544 4 ай бұрын
Very nice video and very nice result. Do you worry about bubbles in the resin? How do you keep them at bay?
@williamellis8993
@williamellis8993 8 ай бұрын
I think it looks nice, Peggy. Any bets with your brother about the channel these days? Bill
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
50k by 12/31/23. I’m losing….
@jerrystark3587
@jerrystark3587 8 ай бұрын
Would a large, thick. rounded bowl scraper be useful for the final steps of hollowing a vessel like this? For example, the Hurricane Turning Tools, HTT-256W, M2 HSS, 1 1/2" (x 3/8") Heavy Duty Half Round Scraper, or something similar. Thanks for the video. Love the project. 👍👍
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Probably, I'll have to look into it.
@michaelogden5958
@michaelogden5958 8 ай бұрын
Would you consider going over your experience with your lathe? Good things? Bad things? I'm still troubleshooting, but I think my lathe might have died this morning. I've been looking at Laguna REVOs for several months - just haven't quite worked up the nerve to pull the trigger. Thanks!
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 7 ай бұрын
I’ll consider it for another video. But for the price, it’s a solid lathe.
@harryshaw4998
@harryshaw4998 8 ай бұрын
What type and model camera do you use.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 7 ай бұрын
My iPhone.
@harryshaw4998
@harryshaw4998 7 ай бұрын
I enjoy the videos@@PFWoodturning
@johnfoster921
@johnfoster921 8 ай бұрын
Love this piece, but then I'm partial to blue.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
👍🏻✅😎
@paulpaul1948
@paulpaul1948 8 ай бұрын
Hi Peggy. I was wondering...once you fill all the cracks with epoxy and ca glue, can a vase like this actually hold water? Do you recommend that? Thanks for another great video.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
I recommend using a glass insert, that way it will last longer.
@paulpaul1948
@paulpaul1948 8 ай бұрын
Makes a lot of sense. Thanks.@@PFWoodturning
@johnkinsel5027
@johnkinsel5027 8 ай бұрын
I am kind of curious why you don't use a bucket and pressure pot to force the resin in deep. Yes, it is a mess turning it back down to mostly wood.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
I've done that before. I just prefer this way.
@glennmoreland6457
@glennmoreland6457 8 ай бұрын
Good ☹🇬🇧
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
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@ronnielloyd4514
@ronnielloyd4514 8 ай бұрын
It was hard to tell at the end of the video. Were there still cracks in the end of the video. If there were are you concerned that it will continue to crack?
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Yes, there was still a small crack. I filled it with CA glue off camera.
@lefouineurdevideoinfoetc..3896
@lefouineurdevideoinfoetc..3896 8 ай бұрын
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@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
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@lefouineurdevideoinfoetc..3896
@lefouineurdevideoinfoetc..3896 8 ай бұрын
@@PFWoodturning 💐💐
@gregoryh4601
@gregoryh4601 8 ай бұрын
Peggy love your Voice on Total Boat Add. And the Vase 🏺 is Has pretty as You. Peggy on your videos can you flip the Video so when we see your Tshirt the lettering is not Backwards ? Thanks and Peace Be With You.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Yes, thanks.
@noelgreen9381
@noelgreen9381 8 ай бұрын
When standing in front of your lathe, the video is mirror image, so all writing is backwards, Ariat, Acks, etc.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
@ronnielloyd4514
@ronnielloyd4514 8 ай бұрын
There were massive cracks in the piece. A lot of people would not have turned it for that reason.
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Yes indeed!
@jimellison3358
@jimellison3358 8 ай бұрын
boy can talk fast when talking about Total boat LOL. P.S. we look foreword to your Videos
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Haha!!!
@Twotrees3Dofficial
@Twotrees3Dofficial 7 ай бұрын
Hey, my friend. Still remember me? It has been nearly three months since you received the TTS20PRO we cooperated with, but the video has not yet been seen online, and you cannot be contacted by email. Have you completed the production of the video?
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 7 ай бұрын
I’ve used it in a video.
@RonEstrada
@RonEstrada 8 ай бұрын
Love it!
@PFWoodturning
@PFWoodturning 8 ай бұрын
Thanks!!
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