What about the kids working in the lithium mines? Do you love them?

why?

@@Harley365 Where? In Australia? The worlds biggest lithium mine?

@@znoop72 did I say Australia? Don’t believe I did

There's a sucker born every minute.

Chief got. Big next gen batery long range

The genius is in the charging station network. They haven't even begun solving that nightmare.

There are high performance EV's that manages this with no problems. You just need cooling.And when you are in the ocean, you got pleny of it. And besides, Hydrogen fuel cells uses batteries aswell

@@znoop72what part of too much weight in a smaller craft do you have trouble with? unlike a heavy EV, boats CANNOT afford to be lugging around a giant battery empty or full. this thing is a joke, and always will be. Aircraft are even more sensitive. Fossil fuels are here to stay, thank god. hopefully biofuels will be more readily available though to solve the emissions issue, but for boats it doesnt matter anyway. they emit less emissions than trains worldwide.

Wronge

​@@sharonbraselton3135 First, it's wrong not wronge, secondly, he's right. The price of a new petrol boat is much cheaper and offers much more than this boat can offer. The only people that will buy this boat are those with more money than sense and those who don't know any better.

Wrong

@@sharonbraselton3135 you have an evidence-based counterargument? If so, I would be interested to hear. If not I'll assume you're just crying into the cat-food dinner you're warming up with a tealight candle.

Yeah electric is no where close enough to being mature to be appealing for most people.

@@Nomadiacjoeyour joking, right? Unlike a Tesla that can be a bloated overweight pig, a boat is very weight-sensitive. adding batteries with "quadruple the usage" (you mean range) is just laughably expensive and heavy. and, unlike gasoline, weather its empty or full, the battery weighs the same. do you know what a detriment carrying 1500 lbs of near empty batteries is to a boat? clearly not. and good luck changing it at anything under .25 cents/kWhr lol

You can charge an electric boat by cheap solar power, and battery capacity is increasing every year, weight to capacity has doubled within a few years and will continue to do so for some time. current lowcost batteries have 250Wh per kg, high end 500Wh per kg (used for drones and aviation, and luxury high end EVs), we will see 1kWh per kg within 10 years, and maybe even 1,5kWhs per kg while price will go down constantly.

Thanks, it won’t suit many people yet but I think it’s important to show what is out there and encourage the quest for new technologies

@@hugoandreae3785 spot on 👍🏻. I admit to being that Luddite with boats, bike and car all powered by fossil fuel. But I have been working (helming) on a hybrid RIB down Portsmouth way. So I accept that it may/could/should be the way ahead, but the technology is not where the customers want it at present. Perhaps one for MB&Y to look at in the spring? A last thought for fossil fuels; if history serves me right London went from fully horse drawn carriages to ICE cars in twenty years at the beginning of the last century. That truly must have been the white hot pace of change. Do we have an equivalent in the marine world?

@@PhilbyFavourites No, because going from horses to ICE was better, and improved things. Going from ICE to EV is the opposite of being better, and it makes everything worse while not solving anything. There is no way in hell that boats like this reduce CO2 at all. Manufacturing massively heavy batteries needed for boats spews horrifying quantities of CO2, not to mention the costs are crippling. No-one uses boats for enough hours per year to even nearly balance out those horrible CO2 emissions from manufacture (and end-of-life recycling, and the manufacture and installation and maintenance of a charger network) by lower-emissions usage! The costs bankrupt us from being able to invest elsewhere in actually effective and beneficial CO2 reducing things. For a fraction of the costs of the charging infrastructure subsidies alone we can set up enough e-fuel production facilities to turn ICE engines far more environmentally friendly than electric drive systems can ever be.

@@pistonburner6448 well… I now have 1,260 hp (fossil fuelled) in my very small household and you’re absolutely correct these boats (and motorbikes) certainly don’t get used enough. Simply put boats are a luxury good. If we wanted the human race to do something about CO2 it’s a question of carrot or stick and that’s governmental choice. Of course their choices are based on “will we get back in power in the next five years with this choice?” Usually it’s those in the grey background pulling those strings, we’ll just call them FOLTs (Friends of Liz Truss) for the moment. I accept you have a valid point, but let me throw my final argument into the mix - children…. Massively expensive, incredibly annoying and too many people are having them. Think of it as an ever increasing carbon footprint with each generation. I don’t have any - my carbon foot print ends when I drop dead. With kids it’s in perpetuity… See you on the water 👍🏻👍🏻

@@PhilbyFavourites In Europe there is a good network for fuelling cars with modern waste-based biodiesels, bioethanol and natural gas / biogas (carbon neutral methane, so the same stuff as natural gas so it can be mixed in with natural gas or sold purely as 100% carbon neutral). Those are all infinitely better solutions for boats, and would be ready to go now for ICE boats with at maximum a very small conversion cost. No need to manufacture new motors for every boat, just fill in the new fuel. The HVO100 biodiesel, E85 and biomethane are all far cheaper than the massive extra cost of EVs. Actually biomethane is much cheaper than all other fuels right now!! In many countries E85 is slightly cheaper too. Biodiesel is only a few cents/litre more expensive than normal diesel. Compare that to the 50,000€ at minimum you're paying extra for electric stuff plus the massive tax bill from the charging network subsidies, development subsidies, factory subsidies, purchase subsidies, etc...No way will electricity at harbor chargers be cheap either. All of those solutions will still work with fossil fuels too so you won't have range anxiety and won't be tied to any new technologies alone. Actually come to think of it, really many ships are already shifting to LNG (liquid natural gas) as the liquid form is better for storing it on huge ships with the amounts they use. Clearly if ships can shift to LNG, maybe small boats should shift to CNG (compressed natural gas, the same natural gas or biomethane stored in pressurised gas form). They can use the same fuel stations, with the LNG's boil-off which is in gas form just shifted over to the CNG filling station side. And if the bigger harbor is near the small-boat harbor they can use a simple pipeline to still connect the LNG and CNG stations.

Loud pipes save lives, SIR!

It's about the same as a 4 stroke, at speed it's the wind and the prop that makes the most noise

Thanks, this won’t be suitable for the majority of users but it’s good to see what is possible now and how it may develop

It is technically possible but the size of panels you could fit on that size of boat would make a negligible difference

oxe is developing diesel outboards with 450 hp combind- 150hp electric + 300 diesel in one outboard,but it will be 100k usd+

Motor = Engine

you forgot the fact that the ICE will get lighter by 6 lbs per gallon. that is MASSIVE in a boat. im ok with lugging around 650lbs in fuel knowing it will be much lighter soon, and enjoy full power all the time. the battery will always weigh 380kg empty or full. its a joke. has to be!

Good sped eange oas 5 or 6 kes rsnge at speed

"[S]ome kind of propeller to recapture energy as the boat is motoring" You mean a Perpetual Motion Machine ? Yeah, sure, absolutely "just a matter of time"...

Solar panels would help but also it's a very small percentage! Not to mention aerodynamic impacts. 400-700 watts of solar panels are tiny compared to 50,000-200,000 watts the motor consumes depending on load. Boats are similar to plane in the sense that they require high continuous power nearly all of the energy is lost as drag and is unrecoverable (battery Regen) and a less energy dense fuel source increase drag or decreases range. It's going to be a tough market for commercial applications. But there will be a small yet developing market.

Lol, they used 5% of the battery capacity in just a few minutes. They said it’s range was about 19 nautical miles….. bass boats have a 40-50 mile range… This is hot garbage, and a novelty at best. Ev’s have a long way to go.

@@donaldsherman1 Yes agreed that there is a long way to go - but inventors have ingeunity and creativity on their side, and it will happen.

Qmogen (electric motor generator loop with excess useable bleed off power)

Wronge

@@sharonbraselton3135 Back to grade 3 Sharon

I’m thinking Seal Team 6…

They should also not fly the Finnish flag on the boat, but instead the Kongolese flag to honour all the dead child miners.

@@pistonburner6448 Do you own a mobile phone, a tablet or laptop? Do you fly a Congolese flag?

@@Jaycsee66 Ah, the worst, most flawed argumentation ever as usual! I should've anticipated! I do not know of internal combustion engine powered mobile phones which I could choose as an alternative. And for sure my mobile phone does not have 800kg of battery, it's _slightly_ smaller. But I sure as hell have a wiiide range of choice of boats which don't have huge batteries in them. No subsidies stolen from poor people funding the ICE boats either.

Yes it is

"Big heavy equipment" - There's a clue right there.

They do that on ships, just depends on what is criteria for use are.

@@RandomGuyRandomNumber battery tech isn't where it needs to be, but when you pull 2 6,L engines out, there should be room for both. I talked to a guy who builds those sort of systems and he thought it would work. My issue with straight electric is once the batteries are dead, nobody can bring out a can of electricity to get you home.

Submarines before nuclear ran that way… doubt that was very fuel efficient

I agree but pleased to see that manufacturers are starting to develop new technologies

@@hugoandreae3785 got to agree that new tech is good. Roll on the future!

@@hugoandreae3785 But this outfit is not developing new technologies, they are just buying in components (battery; charger; outboard leg and gearbox) from existing manufacturers using existing technologies to produce a woefully inadequate product at a ridiculous price. And if you claim the electric motor itself is their own design, you fail to realise that electric motors are not the problem (and if they were, there are a thousand other motor manufacturers that have solved pretty much all of them already), it is the energy density of batteries that is an order of magnitude lower than ICE.

@@RandomGuyRandomNumber well I don’t know of any other company offering a 300hp electric outboard so getting it all to work as well as this one does is an achievement in itself even if the components come from a number of different sources. Nobody is forcing you or anyone else to buy it, I just think it’s a positive move that marine companies are trying new things and developing new ideas even if they aren’t currently the silver bullet we are all hoping for.

@@hugoandreae3785 You keep saying it is new - how can it be new if another company is already producing it using existing technology. It wasn't even new technology when Mercury / Kriesel et al. first produced it. And this does not work well - it has a positively dangerously short range. If it were actually new, it would be significantly better or else why bother ? And it simply isn't better - this barely even qualifies as an "outboard" if the entire boat it is mounted on has to be ripped apart and half a ton of battery, charger and electronic controller shoe-horned in place. It's a semi-permanent stern drive at best, or the worst of all possible worlds - an outboard that cannot be easily removed and an inboard that clutters up the transom. And are you really saying "Nobody is forcing you or anyone else to buy it" is a valid argument in favour of producing these videos and adding to the unwaranted hype ?

a 400 verado (the motor this copied, but the old design so its definitely a used/blown up one they took the powerhead off of lol) is like $35k. so about 2-3 actual real motors for the price of this short-range garbage. oh and they would have a real warranty backed up by hundreds of service centers.

It’s not as straight forward as comparing upfront kit cost, surely? It needs a more complex maths excercise around how many miles and at what cost over what timeline to be able to compare costs fairly and credibly? Even then it’s down to individual preferences in other areas of course. My Tesla for example when you do the maths on 50k miles over 3 years for example is a no brainer if you have solar, don’t charge away from home at 3p per mile (admittedly with free solar and the right ev tarrif) compared to 17p per mile for petrol. I guess most people will work this out. Not looking for Ann argument just thought it might be relevant.

because they cost $5k a pop, and don't do squat for a big segment of the performance market. the very people willing to pay for upgrades like that, accept it wont do much of anything accept certain hull/motor combos.

@@ct1762 fair point. Why those props cost that much is beyond me.

@@CX0909they are quite though, and can help at cruise on certain hulls but those tests are carefully selected by Sharrow and not representative of the average boat.

@@ct1762 good to know!

Baters. 65 perct more range

id think since the entire deck would need to come off and then re-sealed (yes, you need a crane to do that), people would just end up having these cut up and sent to the junk yard where they belong.

Takes thousands of gallons of fossil fuels, to manufacture those.

Wrong

Yes

@@sharonbraselton3135 No, totally impractical.

I'm sure that most of them think of it as a plus: "If they refuse to walk for weeks and cross oceans in dinghies to come to clean my toilets for pennies, they deserve to die in cobalt mines digging the batteries for my 3-ton luxury electric car (or now boat too)!" They're all really reverse-colonialists behind that fake facade of virtue signalling. (Reverse colonialists = otherwise just like colonialists except they're so lazy and cowardly they refuse to bother to travel to Africa for their colonialism, no, they take it a step further and demand that their slaves walk to them instead!)

I love how people type messages on mobile phones that use cobalt 😁 and many EV makers are reducing cobalt usage, eg Tesla use no cobalt in their iron-phosphate packs and a small and reducing amount in their nickel based packs. We have lots of problems, let's pull together rather than sniping.

@@johnsm100 Oh, you mean those batteries which Tesla buys from a Chinese company and has not developed or manufactured themselves at all? And they haven't reduced cobalt usage yet (the demand is only going up), nor is cobalt the only problematic mineral! Let's not spend other peoples' money on tons and tons of CO2-spewing batteries, let's rather just rationally and gradually switch to biofuels and e-fuels without bankrupting society and killing people. Then we'll have some money left over to invest in other actually effective, actually real CO2-reductions and not just massive corruption and geopolitical China-domination projects. (BTW I don't live in the 3rd world so I don't use a tiny phone screen for the internet...I'm on a desktop)

@@pistonburner6448 Cobalt is also used in many of the ics in your desktop, but why attack Tesla? Of course they buy batteries but they purchase significant percentage of the raw materials themselves so can have influence on the admittedly murky supply-chain before supplying to their battery suppliers. They mandated the lfp batteries have no cobalt, they design and manufacture the 4680 themselves (which will transition to cobalt-free) Bio-fuels are a useful solution but have issues with land-use, fertilisers, water use etc. There are no perfect solutions, please try not to be so angry as we are better off together 🙂 Happy New year

@@johnsm100 You think my phone or desktop uses more than a few grams of cobalt? Compared to those 800kg batteries? Do you have any sense of proportion here??Or any logic, seeing as we can all buy boats and cars without huge batteries using massive amounts of cobalt!? Why didn't you read my other reply which is here already debunking your ridiculous, laughable argumentation?! Why are you mentioning 4680 batteries? No-one believes Tesla fans' or Tesla's fairy tales of what they're supposedly going to do one day... Those are not Tesla's new batteries, their new batteries are purely bought from the Chinese company, they have nothing to do with Tesla. And I very much doubt your story of "they have influence on the supply chain" since they purely buy those new batteries from the Chinese company which designed those batteries themselves, own the patents, manufacture them, etc... And Tesla didn't even build their own factory in China, it was the Chinese Communist Party who did, they even financed it too, and they set up their whole Chinese supply chain for Tesla..including the nice discounted prices from the suppliers so Tesla can export those essentially Chinese cars under the Tesla name to Europe! You just made up those issues with biofuels, typically for Americans you have absolutely no clue what biofuels even are, how they're made, what they're made from... Especially since they weren't pushed to you on TikTok or on some other big FBI-controlled social media or EV blog which are all 100% corrupt and pretend no biofuels exist at all because the Chinese pay them.

But come on, manufacturing 800kg of batteries for only a use of a few dozen hours per year is going to save the planet!! And remember, biofuels and e-fuels do not exist and can never exist according to those making money off of EVs!! China wants us only using their batteries, and they've paid our politicians to dictate them to us!

So when mercury trial a new engine they put them on non mercury designed and built boats. What on earth is your complaint

@@rwg2626 Really? You don't understand what he is really saying?

@@rwg2626 moron. and mercury uses their own Genmar boats to test their motors on.

It won't leave you stranded in the middle of the ocean because it barley has the range to leave the dock, I would imagine @50 knots the range would be under 10 knots

Yes

@@sharonbraselton3135 Battery power is NOT the answer... Don't Overthink It...🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Wrong

@@sharonbraselton3135 insightful reply, it's kind of sad you didn't pay attention in physics class.

Why are we seeing this you ask? Because _lots_ of people make a very nice living gathering taxes, distributing the taxes as subsidies, writing about how good the government is because they fund these projects, as "entrepreneurs" cobbling together these nonsense prototypes, then writing about how great their "products" will be in the future, etc. They all make a very good living and have fun throwing each other well-catered seminars, meetings, events, dinners, naturally with comfortable travel and luxury hotel rooms to get there. It's all a nice kleptocratic circus they've built, all paid by working peoples' tax money. Relevant to this video we're watching: they have permission to use much of that subsidy budget to pay medias to report on it! They take taxpayer money and use it not only on these projects, but a big part of it is paying the media to report on it. That also has a secondary function: they love to have excuses to pay the media no matter what as that helps them build up a relationship with the media, a friendship for the purpose of the media learning that they (the politicians, civil servants, NGOs, etc. who get to make the calls on how that taxpayer money is used) are an important source of income for them, and that they should always be beneficial to those people or they might lose that source of income which might be the difference between life or death of their media company, or the company having the budget to keep that journalist employed or not. Note, this is not a criticism towards this media, MB&Y at all, it's most relevant to the medias which report on politics or fail to report on politics because of this method of bribery. And actually the criticism is directed to the governments and administrations for allowing this kind of system to develop as they should have anti-corruption as a top priority. The medias are kind of stuck, as it's just a fact that much of the money is in dishonest klepto government and government-controlled hands and they have to report on what they pay them to report on or they go out of business and lose their livelihoods, they'll then not be able to report on anything ever again and someone else will just take their spot. It's a beautifully constructed way for the government and networked government-connected entities I mentioned launder hundreds of millions into their pockets and pretend that they've actually done some work in exchange for that money or that people have voluntarily given that money to them, that they've earned it. Hundreds of thousands of civil servants, government rats, NGO-employees, think-tank bull5h1tters, politicians, administrators, government-funded "entrepreneurs", university professors&researchers&employees, journalists, bloggers, reporters, etc. are all working together to keep up this fake house of cards to pump out taxpayer money for themselves. And as long as it's a top-down money-dependent structure it's a massively powerful method of wielding power for those at the top of that pyramid, it allows them to build up a massive network of loyal dependents who will support them in other ways too.

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