Why release it and lose 20% yearly sales for replacement tires ?

Exactly I saw this back in 2001

@@dans.8198 wow! I think I just saw a couple of zero turn lawnmowers with similar tires yesterday! I don’t know why It caught my attention.

@@DavidShort-ov5vb I guess lawnmowers don’t get as many flat tires as cars ;-)

Same story again... I also saw this multiple times in the past 15+ years. Notice how in this video, yet again, when asked about availability he responds with "in about 2024". I, sir, call BS. The only thing I believe is true about this "innovative new product" is that it will also be an innovative new product about 10yrs from now...

Imagine parking in a puddle and having it freeze around your tire.

Could be an idea to have an invisible or see through sidewall though

Alejandro Bonilla shower curtain?

Honestly I think there's no sidewalls for demonstration purposes, to have a visual of the construction I'm sure final product will be covered.

Not to mention people would put stuff in your tire just to mess with you 😁

Spot on and an important question that needs answering.

They will probably have different tires for four wheel mud riding maybe sidewall covers and softer fiberglass springs inside. Not sure correct name for parts inside the airless tire. Probably air tires will always be for mud riding....

Exactly, and what happens when snow and ice freeze in there? You absolutely need sidewalls to keep junk out of the tire!

Yea I don't like the looks of that

Exactly 1st thing I thought

I'm that old, too.

"The reporter was so enamored..." I'll say. Where has he been for the last couple decades? How could he never have seen these before?!

@@M0M... Thanks Mom! Except I was taking it "as it is" where it was presented as the "world's first" even though it's really not.

@@sunriseshell Has affordable mass produced airless tires been around for decades??? I think you are missing the point that they are not claiming to be the very first tire to work without air in it. But they will be the first to the market in a way where it will cost the same as regular new wheels. That is the goal. I do not believe there is another company out there that will beat them to their goal of 2024.

My biggest concern is: Look at those tiny golfcart rims! I'm pretty sure kei cars use bigger wheels than that! Show me a 20 inch rim with a 1 inch tire, then I'll be impressed.

As he indicated during the video, this is not a review. The questions above would be perfect as part of a performance review of the finished product.

They are already on lawn tractors, and some other farm vehicles.

yea and even this very design has been around that long too. and there has been others for much longer.

@@moonliteX Yes but this one is very different and the first with fiberglass and also a different patent. It will hit the market next year. There are only a few production problems that need to be ironed out. :-P

@@jooch_exe This exact one has been on KZfaq for at least a decade

@@jooch_exe At 2:00 he said 2024 which means there are still major issues to solve, most likely the same ones others have had before.

No tire without problems, it's not a cure all

Where’s all the other tires KZfaq videos?

@S p note: "The fundamental design featured in this video" There have been a number of tires, with a non-pneumatic rubber spoke component, from a number of different manufacturers for years now. None in production, though as far as I know Vulcanized rubber wasnt invented/discovered until the mid 1800s by goodyear. So a traditional rubber tire of ANY design wasnt available until then. A far cry from 1000's of years ago

@S p 😆😅👍

@@atarparker

@@atarparker There was a used john deere zero turn mower sitting at our shop for years. Had rear tires that were pretty well identical to this design. Not a car tire, but shows these aren't exactly new.

Yeah never ever coming to market as it is

@@Guuggel that’s why it’s not coming till possibly 2024….

They will have to add a cover which can also bent but with a big puncture there will still be things forced in there

@@Guuggel it’d be cool if they still sold the no sidewalls as like a special edition. Or atleast an option

Airless tyres main target is city usage. They're mostly flat, making them more reactive. The shock absorption rods could use plastic in their composition, adding to its positive ecological footprint.

Devlop

Like clean widespread green hydrogen, it's been 10 year's away now for hey about 50 year's now. 👍🏻😁

maybe fill in between the spokes with another martial the side wall would only be for looks and to provide some protection so the spokes do not get damaged the sidewall providing no support means if damaged does not change how the tire behaves and allows it to function normally even if the side wall is damaged keeping the magic bits inside a bit more protected

@@tomsims7868 That's more along the lines what I was thinking of.

Exactly! This is a definite danger.

This technology has been around for so damn long now. Every couple years it gets announced again as 'amazing new tire technology', never gets released, and then a few years later the whole process starts again.

Yes, and if mud or slush were to freeze in the tire…what a disastrous ride that would be…likely completely undriveable

There will be a sidewall on the tires. But yes extreme temperatures are the big sticking point for me. Too cold and the rubber becomes brittle and too hot makes it too flimsy

@@1983jblack The Michelin rep agrees in this video (8min 15sec mark approx.) that without the sidewall there is more flex in this type of tyre. This is a benefit/feature of this tyre. I take this to mean there will be no sidewalls on these tires.

The annual 200 million tires disposed because of punctures that he mentioned might have something to do with it. More £££ for the manufacturers.

I remember more than a decade back on some doc on discovery channel or something, seeing something like this. Don't remember if it was them though. Good to see it actually being applied.

Yeah money seems to be the driving force. I guess the saying ‘they don’t make it like they used to’ goes for a lot these days. More & more manufacturers on every level are making things cheaper & cheaper in hopes to make it just outside of warranty before it fails. Then you’re forced to BUY BUY BUY. Such a waste 😔

Simple. Its been about greed and $ this is old tire tech yet still slow to come about? Why?? Because theyll last a lot longer. Lesss sales.

$1000 tire. Itll make up for lost sales i bet.

Hope to see them on bicycles!

Came here to say this. Been around a long time.

Yes I do remember seeing these made mentioned off years ago and I think they got a lot of push back from the petroleum industry and the tire industry because they were disruptive technology. Also I a certain anything that is designed has to be done so in a way that is will still wear and have a limited life cycle as to not kill off sales of new tires. One final observation. It would be interesting to hear the tires explained in conventional terms like speed rating and load ratings PSI. I doubt they can stand up against a pothole or and very highspeed corner. Or do burnout for that matter from the looks of the outer flap of rubber.

@@Detroitblue from what I remember they didn't hold up to cornering or anything approaching highway speeds well at all.

And the promise was they will be cheap and you will only need to replace the tread and now they are saying that you have to replace the whole whole including the rim.

Great for skid loaders though, see those all the time.

But not for widespread use in cars.

Yep

Perhaps the execution is better this time.

I remember seeing a clip of the movie "Who Killed the Electric Car' where Danny Devito says the General Motors EV1 electric vehicle had solid rubber tires, but an internet search (perhaps because of lame web skillz) came up with NOTHING about the tires. Does anyone remember or know?

No thanks to the porous, over long drives I think the tires would carry water making them heavier. Then once stopped the tire would fully drain leaking dirty nasty stained road filth water all over your drive. Not saying it will hold all water that enters via the porous side walls but it would hold liquid until rotation stopped due to the non porous nature of the rest of it. IMHO if it has sidewalls they need to be NON porous, that said, side walls will add considerable weight to the tire sucking fuel economy, wearing brakes and all the rest of it. Rotational mass is a very big deal when it come to car wheels and tires. Liquids are heavy too, so porous sidewalls will not only add weight but they would allow for ingress of liquid itself adding yet more weight. As we can see, the weight issue will become very very real in bad weather. Not to mention, your rotating wheel that has been balanced is not knocked out of balance due to liquid randomly placed around areas on the inside of the tire. Porous sidewalls could be very dangerous and the weight of the tire and the balance of the tire would be constantly fluctuating due to the liquids now present in the tire. In bad weather no sidewalls, you live in Cali or somewhere with next to no rain, sure porous sidewalls it is (still think it's a terrible idea though). Rock and mud on normal highways will not be an issue with no sidewalls, simply not big enough single items to make a difference. You want to use them on you 4x4 to do some off-roading? Yes mud and rocks become an issue so you would need sidewalls, non porous sidewalls.

yeah, he said it's made of fiberglass, those things break, all over, needs a protected wall with minor air holes

They've hit the market? Where are they sold?

The guys that mow my grass have exactly those tires on their riding mowers.

Yeah.. I think that was the main problem. Cr4p getting stuck inside the gaps. I think that those bendy bits would start to split as well after time otherwise these would have taken off years ago....

Throw ice chunks at 120 km/hr as they break off at oncoming traffic...I am sure they'll just be used for summer/off-road

I'm sure they designed it to mitigate but ya. For now I think this is still much a prototype.. I think drag would be hugely increased which I don't know how would be overcome from an engineering standpoint

@@waiatm Watch this space then I guess.....

The guys that mow my grass have exactly those tires on their riding mowers.

Michelin invents marketing for the airless tire invented by NASA after 15 years.

Recycling is not a reason to buy a tire. That was the boring part of this presentation. 🙄

COME ON MAN, WE ARENT EVER GOING TO THE MOON OR MARS, YOU TELL LIE VISION WATCHING FOOLS NEED TO WAKE UP FROM YOUR CGI NIGHTMARE LIE,

Been out for ATVs for years, military special operations used them also.

Oh yes it definitely makes a great spare tire but not as a primary tire

What would you need a spare for? The amount of damage you would have to do to an airless tire would likely damage other parts of the car as well

@@mdwm1981 you're assuming the rest of the tires would also be airless type...I'm suggesting ONLY using airless type for spare tire but staying with traditional tires for the rest of them. there are many advantages to being able to adjust air pressure that airless tires will never fully substitute for, including ride, fuel efficiency, handling, terrain, and environmental conditions

Actually these tires came out in mid 2000s. Michelene bought the company and sat on for more than a decade. DONT BE FOOLED

What about a tire like this that is closed and pre filled with air? You would have a tire that even if it gets punctured it will only deflate a small portion of the tire and you could still drive it for a long time?

Yep, this idea has been the "World's First" for over 10 years now. With multiple companies attempting similar designs with different materials.

These tires are still in development and can only be used indoors or under nice city conditions. The real test is off-roading. They cannot take bumpy gravel roads and dirt roads. They will be easily destroyed in a few miles.

This technology has been around for so damn long now. Every couple years it gets announced again as 'amazing new tire technology', never gets released, and then a few years later the whole process starts again.

Yeah, what good is an airless tire if it comes with some stupid looking generic wheel and you have no option for swapping out with better looking customized wheels, and then think of the Recycling Nightmare when you have to send Tires and Wheels to the Scrap Yard... these monsters will be un-recyclable. Oh, but, yeah, I had to go down comments by about 30 people before YOU were the first person to see this problem. Good Going!

This is a great idea but you'll never see these tires come out for passenger vehicles because there's really no money in that are tires we're fast enough and have enough problems to where they keep the customers coming in if they have these tires available for people for everyday vehicles they would be losing weight too much money that's why they're not available yet these tires have been around for 20 years just they advanced more construction vehicles ATVs utvs they all been using these for years

I remember seeing airless tires on the news in the 80s. Never went anywhere.

They get announced as some great new innovation every couples years. It is ridiculous at this point.

Yup, and young people try to bash the nay sayers that have seen them come and go at least once or twice. Lol

@John Smith actually, I think you will find its at least two thousand years.

The reason is the rights to the patents were bought by the Military, which uses various types of hexagonal geometry.

How did you buy a product that doesn’t come out until 2022?

@@fillhixx I found them on amazon for a zero turn and a UTV.

Make them out of the same material that vaginas are made. You damn near can't wear those out.

@@fillhixx Did you even watch the video? The entire video is about car tires. now read my comment again. You're welcome.

@John Smith This tire, in my application, was a game changer. We now can mow at more than 10 percent angle without tearing up the grass. Money in the bank!

Companies just blow their load a bit early on the reveal, but it's all part of the process. Wonder how many times Eddison thought he was ready to sell his light bulb before he found out it wasn't ready for mass production and had to move on through the following hundred iterations?

@@JJtoob Tesla has entered the chat

Polaris had this available for their military contract MRZRs over a decade ago I think

yerp, I remember Michelin showed off the "tweel" over a decade ago.

THIS IS PR! Like everyone has said they "showed" this YEARS ago, 4 Billion bottles Recycled? Lies, Lies, and more lies! They make way too much money off the original design. THEY TELL US IN THE VIDEO over 220 Million people get NEW tires each year. Its all BS and to make people think there trying to design something better for the people. THIS IS BIG BUSINESS!

Unfortunately, without the sidewall you would run into a lot of problems with debris getting stuck in there.

@@alanv3185 mesh can prevent that easily. It would take a boulder of a pebble to cause problems for the tire.

@@OmegaF77 Not really. If you live in a place where it snows you'll get snow in between there and if the snow melts it'll freeze back up and turn into ice which will be harder

I believe they already have airless bicycle tires similar to these tires

not going to be any worse than the billions of items of plastic clothing like synthetic fleeces. It's a wonder why micro filters haven't been fitted to washing machines as standard.

hey give the baby a break he's not as experienced on things like that as you are

Definitely sidewalls. Without them, debris/snow would get in between the spokes and make the tires imbalanced. Also, the tires would be less aerodynamic.

They many patents this isn't all old tech

@@bieber4699 have you heard of centrifugal force? The idea about could interfere to any severe degree with this force in play is highly unlikely, stones maybe although you can see the blades flex as they take load, I'm sure there will be side walls when they're not demonstrating the tech.

@@amh9494 centrifugal force will do nothing if the dust, rocks or ice is already in, it is just rattle and it will eventually erode the fiberglass blades. And if it flexes enough with a rock in the middle it would eventually destroy the wheel.

I guess the question is how often would you have to replace these tires? They may be more expensive but last much longer.

😆 advancements that target component longevity never seem to result in lower maintenance costs. And this seems to aim reducing tire piles. Do I get more or less miles on this tire vs. conventional?

@Inescapable Justice yep, you said it, planned obsolescence.

Definitely sidewalls. Without them, debris/snow would get in between the spokes and make the tires imbalanced. Also, the tires would be less aerodynamic.

This tire has been a long time coming, the problem is longevity.

Yes, on construction equipment like Bobcats and Lulls

Definitely sidewalls. Without them, debris/snow would get in between the spokes and make the tires imbalanced. Also, the tires would be less aerodynamic.

I've driven machines with this type of tyre 20 years ago.

They are still trying to reinvent the wheel! Badum bum!

Oh, you beat me to it.

Yeah, I remember them testing it on a humvee

@@Megalixer84 Do you remember the program name? British TV? American?

Are any of them coming to production? I think that is the key point here.

@@staninjapan07 it was on KZfaq that I saw it, must of been about 8 years ago. I think it was a clip from the discovery channel but you've now got me curious too, ill see if I can find it again and reply back

think it was called the twheel

Ha ha, yup. Bush mechanics. Met some in 1980 in southern NT. Good people.

And is it mass produced?

@@Eric_In_SF pretyy easy to get hay

Tires of leather (airless obviously) was used in ancient Mesopotamia thousands of years ago. Later iron and steel tires were used long before the invention of the pneumatic tire.

@@phamnuwen9442 very interesting. It makes sense as trains came before cars 😉

Debris will render these wheels ineffective long before the materials. These are very very limited in application. Wet snow and gravel alone would make them a usability nightmare.

That's it... Its definatley the fatigue of the bendy bit of those spokes... They will just split! These would have been on cars years ago otherwise. Its a load of cr4p

@@ant7699 Yep... I have seen those wheels on a humvee years ago... Its good on a mission for fifty miles offroad under enemy fire without watching your gear. But in everyday use...nah.

@@RobVaderful lol Yeah, I guess they would be perfect for a bullet proof vehicle. Interesting that you've seen them already in the field. Would be great to see how those tyred have held up

Except they aren't "rubber" they are specially developed rubber composite materials which include fibreglass. Michelin have made a tyre before now...

Definitely sidewalls. Without them, debris/snow would get in between the spokes and make the tires imbalanced. Also, the tires would be less aerodynamic.

yep, need to cover the spokes to avoid debris or grits trapped in between

Seems like we're always just 5 years away from "airless" tires. A lot like fusion power.

@@bieber4699 why is this guy copy pasting this dang comment

This technology has been around for so damn long now. Every couple years it gets announced again as 'amazing new tire technology', never gets released, and then a few years later the whole process starts again.

Did someone already adjusted presure because of load on tire ?

I think you have to get different tires.

@@valian8985 every cars or trucks varies in weight ratio

I'm sure there are people who adjust tire pressure based on load, but I don't know anyone who does that. Surely that's not commonplace.

@@eventhisidistaken well just verifying the presure every month is enough if not any tire leak

Not for bicycles or motorcycles for a while until they solve the roll requirement when cornering at high speeds.

Me too...I'll wait one year after their RTM...but after that...with no very critical reviews, or calamities...SOLD, SOLD, SOLD! Michelin, reserve my set of four!

I’m sure the final ones will - these are prototypes to show the tech. They say they that they can manufacture both. Not sure if these would work out cheaper in the long term.

Definitely sidewalls. Without them, debris/snow would get in between the spokes and make the tires imbalanced. Also, the tires would be less aerodynamic.

@@bieber4699 good points for sure; realistic. When one considers that most trucks and cars have spoked rims, a similar effect and required maintenance is expected. I sense this is why Michelin has invested a decade already into R&D up to this point. And maybe commercial vehicles which typically travel on highways is where this technology will be best suited for.

How does the you tube tyre man miss a tyre event?

I have to say, this concept has been in development for the last 10 years (about). The American military, China, etc have all been working on this. Having said that, it's exciting to see it come to the consumer. I can see it being on the everyday car but not high performance. No sidewall!

You will need to change your name to Airless Tyre Reviews haha

There are so many problems with this tire that it isn't going to happen. I'm not sure why they aren't just trying to find a filler compound for regular tires.

@@PaulV3D airless tires have been in use in rally car for long time, specially on rally raid like Paris Dakar or else. Military equipment was also airless tires to resist puncture or all kind of damage. But, this Michelin wheel seems a real improvement, even though question remain on how to replace the wheel or the tread only. Costing should be determining factor.

I guess balancing would be just gluing a determined weight inside.

Not to mention a squirrel !

@@jackhammer7824 SqueeeEEEEeeeeEEEEeeeek!

They will probably have sidewalls. Just not here for demonstration purposes.

@John Smith Regular rims have spokes too..

@@newtguy That's a logical question, How would we keep rocks, and Other Road debris from lodging inside tire. They must plan on sidewalls.

They would probably retread the wheel with new contact patch material essentially making it a new tire on an old wheel that is my guess anyway

Yep. Nothing new.

You also can't adjust the pressure of the tire (i.e. the contact patch) depending on load and driving style. The wheel in this video looked suspiciously flattened which may be an indication of a high rolling resistance.

Looks ro me like a vast increase in material providing lateral stability over traditional sidewalls accounts for feed back and turning response noted in video.

I totally agree with your very realistic concerns. But, who's to say they have not already thought of all of what you mention here, and are in the process of working those exact problems out of these airless tires?

@@therainforest4314 You are correct, and they have and will have a fix for that when they come up with it before we can buy it, I cannot imagine it would be approved otherwise, except maybe for bikes. and other low speed vehicles, not to put pedestrians at risk.

I would have to agree just were high hill shoes and see how much harder it is to walk or run.

@@jojograffsgnino276 I told my girlfriend what you said and she totally agrees😆👍

probably becouse its a softer tire and they want to showcase the mechanics not to mention thats also why it doesnt have the walls and is just open ... this culd be a great tire but it needs to be stiffer with side walls and im interested how heavy it wuld be compared to regular tires

I don't think so....kevlar belted drive bets have been on motorcycles for years...and they without a stone that could cut them..(they are narrow) they can run for 100,000 MILES before a swap out...or EVEN MORE! I am so amazed....wow. SOLD!

Do an image search for wrinkle wall tires on dragsters and funny cars.

I think the drive might be nicer with more Tyre connected to the road but must be more expensive to run. Would have been nice to have touched on this in the video.

Well that already the case if you have à heavy car U buy high load tire.

Well, having tyre where U dont wonder if the presure is good and you know you have à tyre that will work for 5 years no matter what i's great.

LOL! They won't. Silence is preferable to lying.

No… just buy the tyre please 😌

They will obviously answer that when they launch the product.

I think you missed the part of it being a "prototype". I can also add, at my age, I've seen so many prototypes over the years that never came to market, that it's best just to wait for market products before getting one's hopes up.