They had some funky designs, starting out with basically the admiralty class, realising that their 50000t designs didn't fit anywhere, and trying to move the guns around everywhere to see if they could reduce weight. I think one of the drafts even did away with the superfiring B/X turrets, to save weight on the raised barbette armour. This is how you get Nelsons.

Haha they did indeed. I remember seeing the designs for the G3 N3 and wondering what on earth they were thinking. I have to confess, and I’ll probably be slaughtered for saying this, but I’m a big fan of the Nelrods. I think they’re some of the most beautiful battleships ever built.

"peek-a-boom" - I'm stealing that.

Hulldown is an interesting idea for warships, since we don't have armour angling mechanics. Would require a flat arc though, high plunging fire would just lob. It might also be possible to abuse some of the broken hitboxes on the islands, where they don't match the textures fully. I've seen a USN CL (Brooklyn or Cleveland) on Golden Channel once, where they'd be poking only their forward turret out behind one of the corner islands, because any BB calibre would overpen their bows.

@@FunandGameswithTerry yea hull down simply won't work due to the odd armour mechanics of this game fun concept tho

I'm not a huge fan of supercruisers, like Alaska, in top tiers. The role of "cruiser killer" can perfectly well be performed by battleships or the more dangerous heavy cruisers, and they have armour that can't withstand the calibres of shells you encounter, while not having the manoeuvrability to counter them.

She has a hydro, which is quite useful, and the rudder shift is excellent. The biggest problem when you're hunting DDs isn't so much the DD itself, but the fact that you're out in the open. Also, HE alpha strike is lower than on Conqueror, and you don't have a RR. Still, one of the better ships to go cruiser mode in.

@@FunandGameswithTerry yeah definitely a bit easier to go cruiser mode in this ship because if the consumables and turn time. Still somewhat of a glass canon. Definitely a tier 10 vanguard.

Not really because St Vincent exists and is better in basically everything

Nagato: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y5aJgbWezLPYeI0.html

@@FunandGameswithTerry thank you i somewhat overlooked it

it's not just the good HE, but also the fact that they have HE loaded by default. That switch has made things hugely more ... interesting ... for DDs, before that, when they came with AP preloaded, you'd often see many players not realising that they should be firing HE.

The moment when i saw brithish bbs are weak when i brawled T7 rn BB with T6 fuso and won 😂

I haven't checked if it's even possible on free to play to get there. Might be, but I'm not even half the way. Crates, I suppose. Without having played her yet, I'd say 90% of the things I've done in Thunderer, I could probably have done in Conqueror as well. The rudder shift is the most glaring difference, but the turning circles are identical, so once you have actually got the rudder in position, they turn just the same. Conqueror has higher HE alpha salvo and burst damage, and the 457 AP is really not much to write home about, so I'd say damage potential is in the same ballpark. Which leaves hydro, which is useful, and def AA, which is as well, but not deal breakers in my book. I'll have to have a go at the Conqueror and see how she plays.

@@FunandGameswithTerry i have Conq. I have to play her more. Its been a while

Yes he citadels are possible (Death from above video shows him citadelling)

Yes. Citadels depend on the penetration - AP has the highest, followed by SAP, then HE. For the RN BBs, the gap between AP & HE is smaller (lower than usual AP pen, higher than usual HE). I've gotten more HE citadels with IJN 203mm than AP on enemy cruisers :)

@@FunandGameswithTerry wow, I never new it was even possible with anything other than ap. Its never happened to me but that could be because my I'm only at t7. Now I wanna try it lol

I'll need to revisit this one, actually, and see how she fits in with all the new battlecruisers and changes to the RN BBs, new air meta etc.

yep :) Although me usually taking point in anything, suited for doing so or not, may play a role here as well >_> You should have seen this when I'm out in a test ship before release, and I was still flying the CC portrait. Basically impossible to record any meaningful footage XD In general, if the enemy team shoots at me, and I survive, that's a net benefit for my team, because they're not shooting at them.

Thunderer is a Vanguard without half the stuff that makes Vanguard good

@@LiteBosmark yeah very true I mean vanguard can hold it own in a fight but thunderer seems to be just a bit of a damage piñata for most t10 bb and some cruisers

It's trying to be a Vanguard, just doing a very poor job of it.

Yeah, my impression as well. Not a terrible ship, as long as you play with a cruiser mindset.

It doesn't have battleship armour. The best mindset is to think of her as a battlecruiser, or even a supercruiser, and play accordingly.

did survive, though. I've pinged the CV throughout the game to spot him, but just in the end realised that CV had to hold the other flank all by himself

@@FunandGameswithTerry very true, carriers can only do so much at once. After all a win is a win 👍

Shima, the ultimate noob-ship as you can see here again

@Marc, yes but for perhaps 50 000 gold you can buy it with the current crates. 😂 And after 6000 golds for historical camo... Not so expensive (joke). Look, today, I don't know if you have see that. The T10 Yoshino with Clow camo is sell for 32.99 euros... In the same time, the T8 Maya with clown camo is sell for 58 or 59 euros. WarGaming joke ?

I've seen the Yoshino half-price as well, might have been tempted if it wasn't for the dreadful camo :) I'm actually curious to play the Conqueror now, and see how she compares. I don't mind pricey premium ships, as long as the tech tree ones remain competitive.

@@FunandGameswithTerry in French, we say : Jamais deux sans trois (never 2 without 3). So, after Smolensk and Buffalo, I have buy it. Because the price is very good... Ship OK, but it's not my Worcester or Buffalo, for the agressive play style it's more complicated. But other game play, good thing. I like it. For the British BB, I'm agree. I have started the line last week since the T3, currently at T6. I want to try the T10, because a lot of experimented players says this T10 is not very good. When you have experience (I'm go at 12 000 random battles) not a too bad level (44000 average damage and a little more and more, 58% wr because not a lot of platoon and a lot of T8 at t10 game), I think it's a good challenge to not take in every battle only a op ship. And I think, it's not so bad. 😉

Well, not entirely. While there is no difference in effective armour thickness, or autobounce / overmatch mechanic, you can still reduce the amount of hits you're taking by presenting a smaller target, especially against ships with a pretty wide horizontal dispersion. But yeah, that's one of the reasons ships like Petro don't work particularly well in Blitz.

The gun designs actually existed, the British had planned to use 457mm guns, but the Washington Naval Treaty put a stop to all those things. From what we know, they probably wouldn't have been very good. See navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_18-45_mk2.php for details.

@@FunandGameswithTerry -I can draw a design on a napkin. The Brits could not get a new 16" gun into service . 18" gins and call it a BC? nonsense

this has confused me as well. The N3 design draft had around 380mm of main belt plating, in an all-or-nothing scheme, yet in game, we basically get cruiser-level armour. That said, in general, accuracy in terms of armour schemes, effective armour / angles etc. is definitely taking a second seat behind game mechanics. Take, for example, Roma's Pugliese torpedo defence system, which is best-in-class in the game, but IRL didn't work very well.

@@FunandGameswithTerry My working theory is Wargaming still holds a grudge over Arkangel.

And I have a british battleship profile

I like poking fun at everyone in equal measure :)

@@FunandGameswithTerry Hi Mr. Terry, is your friends bug fixed? because I really want to be a friend with you in game.PS I am 11 years old.