To be fair there was genuine thought put in by Captain Langsdorff and his officers to possibly make a running retreat to a more friendly port if they were only to face Harwood’s Cruiser force which were waiting outside for them. They thought it possible given the enemy’s own damage that the Spee could at least either out run or loose the cruisers if they left under the cover of night. Yet given the false flag reports that both HMS Renown and Ark Royal were rapidly approaching alongside Langsorff not being given the necessary time to properly repair his ship to make it sea worthy in concordance to article 14 of the Hague Convention (“A belligerent war-ship may not prolong its stay in a neutral port beyond the permissible time except on account of damage.") he was running out of options. It didn’t help him either that both the British representatives and the Uruguayan government were also pushing articles 12 (“A belligerent war-ships are not permitted to remain in the ports, roadsteads or territorial waters of the said Power for more than twenty-four hours.") and 16 (“A belligerent war-ship may not leave a neutral port or roadstead until twenty-four hours after the departure of a merchant ship flying the flag of its adversary.") that Langsorff had vertically no other options left besides either one final battle he believed he had no chance of winning or to scuttle his ship. And of course, he chose the latter; saving his crew.

He actually wasn't capable of making a run for it the ship was too damaged to make it back to Germany. Her oil purification plant, which was required to prepare the diesel fuel for the engines, was destroyed and her desalination plant and galley were also destroyed, which would have meant no fresh water could have been made (for engines or crew) and her galley was destroyed (so difficult to make hot food for a whole crew) A hit in the bow would also have negatively affected her seaworthiness in the heavy seas of the North Atlantic during winter. She couldn't be repaired in Montivideo due to the time restrictions. Actually this was an error by Langsdorf - if he had gone to the nearby port in Argentina rthar than Montivideo he would have received a much more pro-german welcome and the British would have had much less cooperation from the local authorities. It's quite likely he would actually have been defeated if he had put to sea too - Cumberland Ajax and Achilles would have been unlikely to do it alone (although Graf Spree only had ammunition for 20 minutes firing) but they could have shaddowed her and enabled Force H (Ark Royal, Renown etc.) to have intercepted her on the way back to Germany, not guaranteed but likely. This actually validated the RN's build strategy pre war of building lots of relatively light curisers (to stay within treaty limits) that could do some damage to surface raiders but also mainly just shadow them and call in heavier units. The problem with the "surface raider" concept is that you don't need to do much damage to a warship to make it incapable of long ocean voyages so it needs to be able to runaway from anything that it encounters, Langsdorff could actually have atempted to do this but the curisers were so aggressive when they encountered him that he believed they were deliberately trying to drive him into a larger force and so was trying to fight through them to escape the other side - this belief only being reinforced by the british intellignece campaign to convince him there were larger ships waiting for him outside the River Plate as well as the false signals Ajax and Achilles made smoke whilst sailing just over the horizon so it could be seen from ashore.

@@liamc9998 a true captain.

@@tomriley5790 That's not what liamc9998 wrote, which is: "make a running retreat to a more friendly port" (to conduct more extensive repairs) which does mean Germany _per se_ 🙄

There were surprisngly few casualties on boths sides during his voyage as well.

A good display of that is French inter-war bomber design.

I was coming here to post that quote and am glad someone beat me to it. Even when the French use a pre-existing cartridge, the 5.56mm, they did so in a way where their rifle can only reliably feed French made ammunition as seen in the Famas. Because they wanted to support their own arms industry and also because they're French!

Gotta love gun Jesus 😂

Except that's not really true. The French are willing to copy ideas from other people. And other people have copied good ideas from the French. After all a good idea is a good idea, no matter where it comes from. The french used/copied the Berdan primer and adopted the metallic cartridge concepts developed in the US and Britain for the the 11mm Gras 1874 rifle. And everyone copied the French when they introduced smokeless powder for the 8mm Lebel in 1886. Its more a matter of not every one agrees with the French about what constitutes a good idea.

Sounds like something a self- imagined 17yo edgelord without any relevant knowledge in military or history of technology would claim

To be fair, the thing is a few syllables off a popular cooking sauce, and I'd rather not get into the verbal spaghetti that results. I doubt Jingles wants to get into the weeds on that one either.

What's to admit?

@@petermgruhn It looks like it should be pronounced "Were-Sess-Ter" when it's actually pronounced "Woo-Ster."

There was also another hipper class named lutsow. She was never finished and sold to the ussr, she was renamed Tallin but never finished

Sorry dude - but wrong. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cruiser_Deutschland - Lutzow (ex Deutschland) was sunk by the Russians in the Baltic in 1947 after being used as a gunnery target.

ps. It was her sistership Admiral Scheer that was buried. ;-) 😇

And another ACTUALLY JINGLES! the Lutzow was sunk using 12,000 grand-slam bombs and one which missed failed to detonate. it was found a few years back and the German Bomb disposal had the pleasure of blowing it up. It's available to watch on u-tube.

@@lunsmann actually he's correct, after the RAF sank her she was used as a stationary gun battery to the end of the war, then raised by the Russians and sunk again as a gunnery target.

Actually, Dunkerque is a Flemish name: the church of the dunes.

I was about to type the same thing, haha. And I'm French :p

Tushie ... Or touché

My sides are currently in orbit LMFAO

Isn't that pronounced as wash your sister?

Just start replacing HMS with MN in front of British ship's names, like say MN Dreadaughte. Bonus points if you can turn the name into a joke name like MN Fifi Le Fume, MN Dickherass, MN Repulsive, or MN Hoerion. After all, turnabout is fair play. 😉

Ssssh! Nobody tell the old man they lost!

​@@jkirschyMN?

@@jonathanflugge3557 Marine National. Basically means it is a French navy ship. HMS Repulse becomes MN Repulsive. HMS Fiji becomes MN Fifi Le Fume. HMS Icarus becomes MN Dickherass. Etc... Because Jingles loves the French navy so very much...

@@jkirschy 👍 gotya.

Yes! The positioning! Underrated comment!

Also, NATO was told to use the 7.62x51 or .308 Winchester, used for big game here in the States. Only fires 100 feet per second slower than a 30-06 but uses a short action instead of a long action so its a bit faster to reload in a bolt action rifle.

The AK family is more based on American M1 Garand using the same action.

Inspired? Nah... H. Scmeisser was taken by the soviets (including the entire family of his) in their version of Op. Paperclip, then in the USSR worked with Kalashnikov. It was the americans who basically copied that rifle. Look at the insides of the M4/M16 and then do the same with a StG 44. Also AK is longstroke gas operated, while both the M4 and StG is short stroke gas operated.

@@FazekasPK Except the M4 is actually using a direct gas impingement system. Only some variants like the HK416 use a short-strike gas piston and that was a clone of the version on the American AR-18. The M16 actually was based on the AR-10 and M1941 Johnson rifles.

@@emberfist8347 LOL. Sure dude. The intermediate round, the detachable box magazine, even the general appearance, all Garand! 😂

Isn't the Alsace Italian? Jingles pronounced it Alsachie.

@@charliedontsurf334 It should be pronounced Elsaß. :P

@@Schnittertm1 Wunderbar!

Yes indeed 👏👏👏👏👏

Yeah, you know, the intermediate cartridge, as opposed to the full size one. (Facepalms) 'These damn brainless gnomes.'

Also, the interesting intermediate cartridges the Europeans developed were .264 and .277, not .223.

I wonder if any navy ever tried to name a warship Expendable ? Justement to see the results.

@@giroromek8423 The USS Only-Gays-Sink-This-Boat

The final nail wasn't the Yamato, it was the cancellation of the USS United States

Yeah, Jingles is tired of trying to classify pocket battleships and large cruisers and the Dunkerque class, plus he knows that folks like you get wound up when he gets it wrong

You mean the side of the road EVERYONE used, EVEN the French, until Napoleon forced them all to drive the side HE wanted after they were conquered. You are the ones driving on the conquered side of the road. The unconquered (and free from that Corsican prirates influence) drive on the correct side of the road, the left. 🙂

A classic Jingles moment :P

Lützow, not Lutzow Deutschland, not Deutchland

@@Harte74 - Lutzow is correct on a USA qwerty keyboard. We don't have an umlaut on hand to insert in the proper place. My user name should have an umlaut on the u, but doesn't for the same reason.

@@Harte74 renamed "wreck" later....

@@lunsmann usually in Germany when we don't have the possibility for Umlauts we use an e after the vowel, so Lützow becomes Luetzow, your username would be luensmann then

He should concentrate on World of Warships ship details instead of constantly making himself a fool with "historylessons" and "language lessons".

Post world war 2 Britain developed the EM2 .280 rifle that was going to be the standard NATO caliber, but the US killed it (Suspicously IMHO) by insisting on 7.62mm before discovering in Vietnam that that was too big. The EM2 looks very much like the SA80 that later arrived (but probably better built!) it survives today as the rifle held by the british green plastic soldiers as it was due to be adopted when they were developed.

@@tomriley5790 Yep. And that would have been fine. 7mm-ish bullets are objectively better than .30s in almost every way. They wanted to make the Garand in 276 Pederson back when it was being adopted in the early 30s but MacArthur overruled it purely for logistics reasons. Choosing to stick with a .30 when you're designing a new cartridge anyways made no sense.

... so you are proud that your grandfather have served nazis ?

It was named after the ancient Yamato province.

Wich the Yoshino player so ample proved. Why are they all so obsessed with their torps, that you always spot long before they reach your ship, when it has somewhat decent guns.

As all of it's team is ripped appart in less than 8 min, that's not him camping but his teamates throwing their ships away in crossfires or being shot at by multiple ships at the same time. Being in the 6/7 lane all the game is not camping and he got a perfect line to cover middle and provide crossfire on the other side of the map.

Hey there Aurorik! Good to see you here! You had a very good, if weird game that the gnome uberlord featured in his latest WoT replay video!