He's talking about new ones being made. I mean they aren't exactly uncommon on the second hand market

I'm not a busa fan, I'd rather take the new one than an old one. @@jacobwhite9961

It's kind of weird, but there are just some bikes that are really very "meh" on paper and you don't think much of them, then you get on them and their like f*@%ing paradise, just simply imaginably fun or great and you're totally whacked from out of left field and left all confused and giggling (and with sticky underwear). I've never ridden a Busa and I'm not really a fan of sport bikes, but something tells me this is one of those "surprising" bikes.

​@@carlosf.chancellor9693 Sounds like you're describing an Air-Cooled Ducati, or a Hopped up Buell/Sportster.

I simply can't agree with you. That is my opinion. I've had plenty of fast bikes and ridden every one from the 'Busa era. None of the lardy arsed Busa era bikes comes anywhere close to a modern sports bike through the corners and that, in my opinion, is why the 'Busa is sh1t. It is also the reason why the Busa has had a very limited past in Europe, where virtually none of them were on sale for more much than about 4 years, while they have been on constant sale Stateside since their introduction. On this side of the pond, there really aren't many people who are interested in power over everything else, and that is why the VMax was on sale for only a few years and the Busa likewise, just as with the ZZR14 and other power-over-everything machines. And I would argue that something like the KTM SD1290 has just as much of a gut-wrenching push from its torque as the Busa, especially as the Katoom is so much lighter. That the Super Duke is actually fun through the corners, where a Busa is simply unpleasant just piles on the pain for the Suzuki. And I know that the Suzuki is capable of accelerating fast (once it has been fettled) and that a supercharged Busa is about as fast an accelerator as it is possible to be on 2 wheel. But I, just like the guy in the video, get far more fun out of riding through corners than by blasting along straights. And I have zero interest in having my corners completely destroyed by rubbish handling.

we need a true performance 400 though and i dont mean power i mean low weight with great suspension

​@@SDrizzyThat's what the KTM RC390 is, fully adjustable WP suspension, Brembo brakes (well, Bybre, but that's just Brembo's cheap brand), very low weight and a very shocking electronics package for the class especially after 2022. TFT dash, traction control, wheelie control, switchable ABS which uses an IMU in order to also do cornering ABS. It's really just a superbike with a lawnmower engine

@@SDrizzy ummm. the ktm 390s, new triumph 400s, BMW 310s? theres even a new aprilia 457 coming out

@@fieryspy6414 the 2024 model

​@@SDrizzyzx4rr

Honestly, if they did that, it would be legendary… and incredibly smart for the Hayabusa/Suzuki…. Suzuki needs to make a statement with engineering ideas… it’s like they are asleep over there… definitely complacent, at the very least.

Suzuki will kill it anyway. They're planning to go full electric soon

You can supercharge it. Moore Mafia does that type of work.

​@@literallyhuman5990then we will have an electrobusa.

@@Rose_Butterfly98 i bet those hardcore busa and Gixxer nuts gonna hate it

Your criticism seems to be about the riders and not the motorcycle. What about someone who buys a big bike and does learn how to ride it?

@@ntdscherer You're correct. I am mostly criticizing motorcycle riders that start off on large displacement motorcycles and never end up learning the fundamentals and techniques of riding a motorcycle. They just own a liter bike to hold the throttle wide open on the highway putting their as well as other peoples lives at risk in pursuit of acceptance among the riders who buy large displacement motorcycles because they have to have the fastest bike. There are people who buy large bikes because they are very attracted to them, that can be adventure bikes or even cruisers. I am just advocating for more riders to at least practice fundamentals. It leaves a bad reputation for bikers and especially for new riders who think that they have to buy large displacement motorcycles to fit in who then end up crashing not two months later.

These are also the liter bikes that are for sale, used with less than a thousand miles on the clock. Poor fellow, never did get used to the big cow, scared the hell out of him every time he rode it. An adventure is what ever you make of it, little bikes will get you almost anywhere you want to go.

@@paul5683 You didn't read my second comment.

I’m 60 and have 4 bikes. The largest engine is a 2001 zx6r I’ve had since new. 2021 z400 2024 klx 230s 2001 kl 250 super sherpa. I’ve had bigger bikes over the years but prefer smaller lighter bikes.

Ditto. I’m perfectly comfortable with the noise and feeling of abs. Even in a pinch.

Yeah it was weird hearing him talk about riding error that he makes and blaming it on the bike.

btw, why is he using the rere breaks to slow down!

@@rimilmurmu10 I guess he wants to fall off the bike :D

@@rimilmurmu10 Because you should generally use both brakes.

They'll kill it, they are already planning on going full electric soon. They are even preparing to release Electric GSX in Indonesia to test the market

What's the model name on that?@@literallyhuman5990

i consider the busa and the zx14 to be 'super sport touring'

The busa is a sports tourer with bias to wards touring

@@literallyhuman5990 where did you read that that are going full electric?

Most bikes are heavy because they need to pack a shitload of safety features on it, and also make it cheap.

@@DerpEye My Svartpilen weighs 150kg.

​@@DerpEye It's only really the ABS that adds anything more than a few grams. Everything else is engine management and you'd be lucky to get 500g out of the extra sensors that are added over a "bare" fuel injected motorcycle.

😂😂😂 what name should the organization have?

If he's trying to rip canyons on the busa he's dumb. But you getting mad that he's not agile on that is equally dumb

@@Daniel-dj7fh Thinking that you can't have fun on a Busa in the twisties is just dumb.

I mean you sure can, but that's like at the same genre of having fun with a RoadGlide. And on the money/weight/necessity -to-fun scales there are much cheaper, more nimbly and practical bikes to have the same or not more fun on with.@@countryjoe3551

Because you can also have alot of fun with a grom or a 50cc scooter in the twisties, it's just very relative.@@countryjoe3551

I had a Suzuki RGV250 and it's one bike I'm so happy to have gotten rid of. It cured me forevermore of wanting a 2-stroke. I got a CBR600F2 soon afterwards and was much happier with the experience of ownership.

@@langhamp8912 You should have got the RG instead of the RGV. With less power & a smaller front wheel, the RG was easier to ride & carved corners with an ease that I've yet to see matched with any other bike. Cornering was so sharp that I used to overtake cars on the inside on hairpin bends at speeds that I wouldn't even dream of on any other bike.

@@punchbuggyyellow7097 Well, there was that TZ250R that was a lot more powerful and lighter. And any model of the Yamaha R6. But I was referring more to the cost of maintaining an RGV as a daily rider instead of its handling. I buy most of my bikes as 99% commuters, and 1% trackday, with the occasional very rare group ride thrown in.

YES !!! I love riding my noisy vibrating road legal KTM 500 EXC ;) It more fun then my old 1985 Yamaha FZ750 I used to have that was what I call jailbait murdercycle... I could never control myself on that and always ended up going in 1 year in jail speeds with it. My KTM 500 is so unpleasant at that speed that you never go that fast lol ;) And there is plenty of fun to have just driving at normal legal speeds.

Partially agree, I enjoy my Duke 390 when riding through the Black Forest Germany, but it’s a pain on the autobahn or long high speed corners, cause the moment you hit around 140 it’s crawling its way up to 170 slowly (I maxed out at 171km/h before hitting the rev limit), that’s why I would go up a notch to 650cc. Been riding the 390 for over a year now

I find 75-100 hp is the most that one can use (with skill) on the roads. Ideal is probably 50-75 hp, depending on bike size. My V-Strom is 67 hp, but it's geared short and it's a hunk. Top speed sucks, but that teaches me to ride better.

lmao

That's a gearing thing tho. The bigger the bike the more it's working (assuming all parts are built with the same materials), because the bigger bike will need beefier parts which weigh more and lead to more stress. Now a 125 is weak af, but anything really mid-classed will pull your ass up a mountain and do what ever revs. Because the engines are also designed to rev, that's why there is a limiter at some point. Or does any handbook state that you can't rev the bike at (example) 7000rpm for a certain amount of time?

@@Daniel-dj7fh Actually I disagree. The bigger, 4 cyl motor has smaller pistons than a 2 cyl 650. 1000cc/4 = 250cc/cyl and 650/2 = 325cc. The bigger bike will spool faster, rev easier and work less hard. Also, the higher you rev you engine the faster it wears out. If I ride at 5000rpms and you at 7000, your engine, assuming the same build quality will break down sooner. That's why you'll see big bikes easily going over 100k km while the smaller ones not that much. Bigger engines, 1000cc, for instance have a higher rev ceiling than smaller engines with bigger pistons and valves. The rev limiter is there to prevent the motor to self destruct and also to prevent valve floating. Smaller engines have lower rev ceiling for a reason.

They might be smaller, but they have to endure way more revolutions and from the power alot more bangs, meaning that those cylinders have to be alot more stable. Which could then come at the cost of weight. I've noticed lower rev ceelings on bikes with lower cylinder counts not displacement or power. A 2500cc Rocket3 isn't revving to 14k rpm either. Yes at 7000rpm your engine wears out more than at 5000rpm, but my 500 does 120kmh at around 5000rpm, I'd not have to rev higher. And my bike doesn't have the best gearing for high speeds.@@johnnyblue4799

Very true. I have a KTM 400 Military and feel like im torturing it when going 100km/h. A thing that a bigger displacement bike does without breaking a sweat. A really light bike isnt always a good thing either, since it becomes unstable at higher speeds. Also bike size tends to match the displacement. I dont fit on a 390, 890 fits better and 1290 fits like a charm. Downside of not having different framesizes like mountainbikes do.

Thats just rationalization . a 400 would be the sweet spot for displacement then

I mean, do we know where or how much he rode before getting to the store? I cross the border to buy KFC, just to have an excuse to ride longer 😂

@@goduxunike Yeah good point, maybe he was making a day of it.

I have a weird feeling Suzuki is going out of the Sports class, the only supersport they offer on the German website is the gsx125r..

nah even for that 400cc is more than enough.

@@fieryspy6414 Nah, it's really not.

@@flippy66 what aspect would you say its lacking on? yeah the acceleration time may get reduced by 0.5 seconds but nothing to really sweat about. A 125cc can push through with 4 people riding on board. A 400cc is more than capable.

@@fieryspy6414 400cc bikes don't sound good. I ride a 600cc supersport because it looks and sounds amazing. 400cc looks okay and sounds lame asf. My first bike was a yamaha R3, and while i enjoyed the bike, i enjoy my 600 a lot more.

@@CBRyan_600rr there are plenty of 400cc bikes that look good and sound good. But there isnt a lot to choose from as most of them are single cylinders. Something like the benelli 302 comes to mind, royal enfields. But ofc bigger the bangs and more the cylinders better will be the sound.

My V-Strom 650 handles me (215lbs) and my wife (150lbs) two up just fine, neither the engine nor frame feel stressed. Not as dirt capable as an AT of course, but still plenty for my needs which is mainly to reach campsites down dirt roads and mild trails that my sport bike would be very iffy on.

@@johncaswell2648 we like to take long rides and the AT is our primary vacation vehicle, so it sees a mix of highway and B roads. I had a CB500x before and we were just getting blown away on the highway by larger vehicles and strong winds, whereas the AT is very planted and isn’t affected at all. As you mentioned, everyone has their own needs, I find bigger bikes more stable for my use case in particular. Best regards!

unless you both are north of 300lbs most mid sized bikes have payloads of 500lbs most people are fine carrying the things

No idea about lbs, but my cb500x had a max payload of 180kg, which although we are both fit and weigh about 140kg combined, doesn’t leave much room for luggage and some change 🤷🏻‍♂️

Not to mention overtaking power and uphill performance

To think a different way, I'd rather adv dad's then adv dad's trying to look like 1%ers

That's a good take! The more riders the better.

That's true, but his take was about rudimentary abs, which I have to agree is scary as hell. My Z650 abs has saved me as much times as it's just taken all my braking away and nearly killed me, just from some slightly uneven road or even a speed bump, removing all braking force. However the ZX4RR abs is entirely different, much less intrusive, and works only when I really get in trouble

@stickybuds05 that's what pulling the Fuze is for.

@@houjous5131 I wish it was that simple on my bike. But it throws engine lights and screws up the speedo. Apparently not that simple, I've browsed forums but there's no simple way to do it

@stickybuds05 the light goes away when you plug the Fuze back in, and even if it lights on, the bike still runs. Not sure why your speedo cares about the abs for accurate data.

I think the biggest market should be crossovers not adventure bikes. Since 90% of adventure riders dont take their bikes offroad what they want is a Tracer 9 GT, KTM 890 SMT, or a MV Agusta Turismo Veloce. They want the ergonomics of the Adventure bike, as well as the more plush suspension for bad asphalt, but they dont need the compromise in wheel size, tires fitted and suspension setup for offroad that Adventure bikes have. But there isnt actaully that much on offer in this segment.

I'd suggest it's more down to a lack of feedback from the cheap brake setups than an overly intrusive ABS system. It's something I struggled with on a loaner KTM Duke 390 when my RC8R (no ABS or traction control) was in for a major service and a sensor replacement. Basically the caliper starts to really bite late on in the lever's travel, leaving a narrow range of good braking force before the ABS sensor is triggered.

Plus those guys keep the wheels of the economy turning which benefits us all. Like Apple fanboys :)

Unfortunately, bro is just riding the spec sheets 🤦‍♂️

100% agree!

BTW, enjoying your videos, always nicely made 🙂

You also have to consider many people just don't know how to take care of their stuff. The US seems to have big issues with VW's and BMW's having engine problems, I don't think I've ever heard anyone over here in Germany complain about that. Here people only talk about how shit VW's interior is for the money

​@@Daniel-dj7fh geh mal zum schrottplatz in deiner nähe und guck dir an wieviele bmws da stehen. Oder frag mal nen t5 besitzer, ob er noch den ersten motor drinnen hat

Schließt das die Fahrer aus? Glaub nicht@@BlogVomMax

can't you use the 390 comfortably on the road? I have no issues with my old 125cc 11hp road hazard. My cb500f is also definitely never sweatting.

@@Daniel-dj7fh yes i do, the duke is very comfortable but the vibrations are incredibly annoying and for a little bit of travelling is not ideal, is even worse on the freeway, but apart from that is an incredible machine, i really love it

Vibrations are a thing on singles, that's true@@FraxeroneMemone

I ride a cb500f the only time I'm pinning my gas is when I'm trying to do a 170kmh top speed run, which I've done 3 time during one ride back home in the past 5 years. It does 120-130kmh no questions asked at half revvs. If I pinned my 2nd gear I'd be doing 90kmh, and in the city that's a very big fine. Might even lose my licence. 2up 100kmh and higher could be a problem. But I've also lived with a 125cc for 2 years so I know what actual slow is (Still haven't ridden a 50cc tho if I'm honest).

@@Daniel-dj7fhevery bike feels different I guess. I used to ride a Svartpilen 401 (which is basically a Duke 390) and to get up to speeds like 120km/h or even just 100km/h and keeping it at that speed for longer periods of time it’s just not comfortable and since I switched to a Versys 1000 it felt so much better to take those long roads

I think this only applies to sport and sport naked bikes. If you vowed to stay under 400cc and we’re afraid of an old bmw airhead because you think it’s be too much power you’d be a fool. Also this would rule out every Harley since like 1930.

I agree with you on that. Not just long commutes, every commute outside heavy traffic in the city in general. With a smaller displacement bike you have to downshift and rip it in order to simply overtake someone. I think something around 130hp is the sweet spot for most bikes. I don’t have much experience riding big bikes due to my license limitations, but the 50hp im used to is pretty underwhelming compared to a ktm 1290r i was riding on as a backpack.

Who would have thought a 50hp bike is underwhelming compared to a 160hp bike.@@halo-7797

A Z25RS would be beautiful! Yes, need more small bore fours please!

Lool soo true

I think feedback is always good, wouldn't bee too interested in the bmw, which one are you riding?

@@Daniel-dj7fh I have a 750GS. As far as I noticed there is no feedback. Don't see a downside to it's since it doesn't make you scared of slamming the brakes

@@Diablo97810 It's not about "scaring" you, how on earth are you gonna know when your tires actually lose grip if you can't feel the abs?

Yamaha MT 07 I would think is a great bike with it`s 67hp and 800 cc or so twin ;) I used to drive a 1985 Yamaha FZ 750 but the power in that one was 60km/h to 1 year in jail in about 2 second and that is why I now drive a road legal KTM 500 dirtbike.

completely agree with you on his ABS issue