I hate to say it because I'm biased towards xiv, but they need to take a page from xiv's book on how this is done. Have a group finder that has a preset option to go into a fight as practice, certain phases, or if you just want a clear and can only join if you've completed and fit criteria. Yes, sometimes people squeak through but it's better than putting all of the work on the players to relegate other players. Give us the option to set up a brand new prog, for practice runs only. It's a huge help when I hop into xiv after a break and want to check in on some newer stuff. I can join up a practice prog pug and feel comfortable that I'm not the odd one out.

your friend has a spine made of jelly, quit after you get booted once?

@@taylon5200 and xiv has a much more respectful and positive community

@@riner9 who cares? People can like different things. It's what makes us unique. The world would be boring as fuck if we all thought the same, and liked the same things.

@@riner9 I don't think weeb means what you think it means. They're dorks yes, but I wouldn't call them weebs. To be a weeb you have to have a strong admiration for japanese culture, to the extent you want to learn japanese, eat their foods, and adopt some of their culture. FFXIV is pretty western aesthetically. (Granted most self described weebs confuse being obsessed with manga and anime as being weeb, but there's a lot more to it than that)

Yeah world buffs/parsing on a boss with no mechanics and a 1 button rotation is the most bizarre thing about classic

Pvers attacking a.i and sweating has always been strange

To be honest, it's not always this simple. For example, some people don't want to care about logs and good parses but find out they might have to present good logs to even be considered, let alone have a decent chance to find a guild or even a half decent PUG to raid. I play on a medium pop server and I've seen it a lot how people with no logs or just average logs struggle being invited to a PUG raid at all. Not so much an issue on big servers, from what I hear, but on medium pop servers with less PUGs to begin with, people often find without good parses, they stand little to no chance to be invited to a raid unless they have a friend who knows the leader and can get them in. It's not great but this is what logs have brought us I guess.

oh yea that was hilarious lmao

It's the same with arena though. Get the flowchart down and keep being persistent. If there's issue with comp then grind out a new comp, rinse and repeat. R14 is arguably more difficult because it takes a higher degree of coordination and persistence.

Hey don't be sad you missed vanilla wow. Be glad that you found classic and are now having fun with other players. It's always better to be glad then sad. I wish you much fun out there and be safe. :)

I had no money to play WoW at it's prime, here I am at 34 yo finally have a chance to play it for the first time, I feel it's going to be painful lol

Exactly. I do quests, sometimes dungeon and i do not expect much of it. But maaaan, i am not sure who is sitting behind some of the chars, but immediately something unexpected happens in their frame of expectation, they rage like crazy. We did chill time dungeon few days ago and on the halk way one of the guys announced that he need to check on his kid after cuurent pull. 4 people ok with that, it is normal human thing right? And healer just f here f there and quit. Guy returned, asked where is healer, we made few jokes and quit the dung. No hard feelings. I am not sure why some of the people try hard so hard :) I would just appreciate some indicator of casual vs. try hard, cause i would not definetly join try hard group of people. :)

@@tomasdoubek yeah "casual" option severs would be good

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Gdkp are not a problem and never will be. Stop inventing these ghost stories. The one and only problem is and will always be botting and buying gold. GDKP ARE NOT THE ISSUE

@@VincentDebus Gee, I wonder why there are so many gold farming bots and why so many people buy gold.

@@LihoShammy they would be there if gdkp were banned as well, don't be delusional

Then don't join pugs and go with a guild/community, this will never change and all the changes to alleviate that issue would have to make raid encounters massively simplified and thus more boring. You're not entitled to a perfect raid experience in a specific video game because you're a 40 year old boomer with 3 wifes, 22 kids and 5 jobs, different hobbies take a different amount of commitment and time and if you can't bring that you should think about a different hobby (or in the case of gaming just a different game).

@@k9tirion927 Now I would agree with you if this were about me, but it isn't. I prefer to play in a guild when I can and even if I can't, I have little to no problems getting curve and above by leading pugs. We are talking about casual players who either can't follow a regular schedule of a guild playstyle or can't pug properly, so their only leftover options are LFR which is so braindead that 5 year olds find it boring or to keep fishing for pugs in an artificially elitist community, which is what discussion is about. It's not about raid difficulties, it's not a gameplay issue, but a community issue, where people will feel entitled to easy runs and zero logistics on either side of the argument. There aren't many sensible solutions to this problem, other than fixing the community. Bonus Valor made people soft boost lowbies, so maybe something along those lines would help, but either way the community needs to get rid of the "in and out" mentality.

lol this doesnt happen nearly as often as youre trying to say. very very rare. shocker, people making shit up about good guilds because they dont like how they play

Literally never happened to me?

@@SD78 yes. I believe you are lying.

@@SHITSWEEEK Literally never happened once. You must have been a Bad Player in a bad guild.

This happened in the rated BG community a lot over the years, the ladder cannibalised itself. Better teams would poach good players from worse teams and kill off their competition and would then even complain that they have nobody to queue into. Other times they'd use fly hack, lag hack, ddos attacks, stream sniping, queue sniping, win trading etc. And wonder why nobody took the bracket seriously. People just turn into NPCs who would rather go along with something they know is wrong than be the one to call it out for what it is and make a stand.

Tbc during the prepatch was the most fun time in wow I ever had, I mained prot war, devastate and all the other goodies made everything feel so much better

Agreed, so long as they rebalance world content so that individual mobs are still challenging. One of the things I dislike about wrath is that while classes feel better, it feels very 'power crept' in that basically any class can fight 4 mobs at a time. I like the world to feel good for solo content.

@Federico Giuliano Agreed. Mana never made sense for hunters anyway, they are not magical. Even when focus didnt exist yet, they could have literally just used the energy systems from rogues. It just made perfect sense and i never understood why they didnt use that instead back then for hunters. Focus is basically energy, just a different word.

@Federico Giuliano I don't mind mana. This way if you have q braincells you can always be topped up enough as needed by juggling aspect of the viper efficiently. I don't even have drinks on my hunter, don't need it.

Ah yes, the PoE community

For vanilla yes.. for tbc... a little.. for WoTLK? No, guides were in full force by then. The difference is more that its been so many years and people have already played the expansion wether it be back in the day or on private servers. The problem isn't that KZfaq or WoWHead is better now than back then... The problem is that the game is 15 years old, all the guides not only already exist... but everyone has already seen them, or had people tell them ingame the best strats for bosses or gearing.

@@trignite Agreed. The knowledge aka experience we have. No one can un-see or un-experience that path we have already traveled.

Easy with that take, asking everyone to at least have some knowledge about a game they’re gonna be raiding on is a “bad mentality to retain new WoW players” according to some psychosocial expert.

@@Keklmaololhehe True and real.

@@cattysplat But of course.

Retail wow is not fun, its trash bro, thats the major problem.

@@almstormrage3790 Then why do so many people want to play it? I wouldn't play vanilla TBC, but I still think WotLK 3.3.5 was the most fun and it should be playable forever as it is the peak of the game's playstyle, which went all downhill from Cataclysm. Original TBC, maybe even original release has many hardcore followers too, so I think it should be playable forever as well.

@@almstormrage3790 Also, you might not get my point as new releases of WoW have many things that are done right, my main problem is, that since 2012 or so the game's system requirements apparently dropped the need for a brain. Don't get me wrong, I like the fast levelling and ability to focus on high level dungeons and farming PvP gear, but it's missing something. I just hit level 30 on a mage and I have 4K gold just from questing alone. Back in WotLK I had barely enough to upp my skills and I just loved the feeling of setting up a new character and having to think about what I have to do to flourish. Nowadays you just watch a few guides, everything is for free and you leave your brain at toilet seat. What about some challenge? I know it comes with higher level dungeons, but what about some procedurally added unpredictability? I would love to see dungeons, where bosses have randomly swapped abilities and you have to develop strategy right in the dungeon every time you get there or be able to either level up with quest helper and dungeon finder in WotLK or if you get a mood for some hard core grinding, just set up a new character and get lost in TBC without any of that and finally use your brain. I feel like modern game development focuses on immediate gratification without a need for brain. Let's change that and give players an option to really satisfy your intellectual side as well and leave them to struggle through unmapped, ever changing terrains as well.

You say that until an ungemmed hpally wins your BiS crit/haste cloth gear KEKW

Real life responsibility and the lack of wonder nad discovery. Only has nostalgia going for it

I played both L2 and WoW. L2 will always win. The systems are just better. Castle sieges and open world bosses will always be better than instanced participation trophy raiding. Imo. However I had fun in both games and both games have pros and cons.

@@joshholmes1372 exactly. The hype to learn this world as a solo unit,being "familiar" with mmo's from other games, was off the roof!! I'm not saying I'm looking for the same feeling now, but that's simply because I have no faith in the industry. It's not cause I'm older. I still enjoy going to internet cafe's with friends and play Lan LOTR battle for middle earth from EA. It is because all they care nowadays is how to grab your money with cosmetics, subs, in-game systems and other bullshit. Gaming is supposed to be a relief, not a secondary job from your free time.

@@SeksyTimes I only took part in one PROPER siege as a gladiator with my newly crafted dle*dle swords and i had so much fun slaying leather wearers. One of the best PvP experiences of my life. I still remember it to this day

@@roronoa92 and then you ran into a full S-grade Necro that 1-shotted you with a 15k magic crit. Ah those were the days.

bunch of freaks

the only joke here is you😘

@@leafarasta4517 >no argument Just what I expected.

@@jacqli69 👍

Why video game at all then? It's all just repetitive content that you grind for 10 hours a day and get nothing in return. Do you not play video games? If you do, you're a joke who is wasting your own time.

overwatch did well and is liked, there are more than a few thousand players, and classic is much smaller than retail

@@TRAMP-oline incorrect

@@gaexionbeoulve2422 it's whatever you want to believe

they do aoe dmg

Wrong. One asshat can choose to do it of his own Accord, and only allow other people to join him if they do it too. That's how metas form. Turns into asking for minmax, or you don't play.

@@cattysplat Right but what is the point of going after the hardcore and budgeting for the casual.