I've seen this video like a 1000 times in the last 10 years it feels like.

Tbh, this whole video was like when you ask someone a question and they go off some long-winded tangent for 30 mins and forget what they were originally talking about lol

I would LOVE replayablility for old raids. Also repurposing cut raids like WoD Shattrath to fill pre-expansion content gaps would be pretty neat.

"I didn't play it I just wanted to make a video." Well if this isnt just the picture of games journalists in a nutshell.

This guy is a total classic andy lol

Leveling for the first time in the old zones was not boring at all. It was amazing. It's kinda boring now because I have leveled 50+ characters so... but the first time was amazing. Not knowing shit, just looking at the map in awe.

what this guy does not understand is some ppl dont like games like LoL and even if it has higher 'replayability' people still won't play those type of games

the main problem why the game isn't drawing too much new people is basically the fact that people who are starting new right now are feeling like they have a ten year disadvantage already due to the fact that the game is heavily dependent on loot, drops and gear in general

I appreciate this guy taking time to make a long form video. Unfortunately he let his bias get in the way of a constructive argument.

I can't believe he edits videos full time for a game he's never played. This is crazy to me.

I think wow's biggest problem is the constant resetting of everything. Basically, Blizzard has created a format for WoW were most of the content they make is irrelevant 2 years later. What this means is that Blizzard is never capable of compounding their work. Take Eve Online, they are doing the opposite. They are constantly adding to the actual world, meaning that the entire world grows with the years, adding more and more content. Imagine Azeroth if they added more to the entire world every year instead of just giving us a new expansion island that we wont visit again 2 years later. Essentially, Chromie for lvling shouldnt exist, but it does, because all the previous expansions are not relevant anymore.

Metagoblin can't figure out that patch days are always on tuesdays, even though virtually every major patch day since 2004, has been on a tuesday. He doesn't have the ability to know what's happening next week, let alone in 5 years.

People get to hung up on games dying, games have been dying since they was 1st created.. it’s really not a big deal, games eventually get boring, and we move on, or other games evolve so we move on…. Wow has stood tall for so long its actually amazing and a feat no other games can hold a candle too… i’ve played it on/off since release and currently playing classic wrath and loving it so much.

I like how immediately when WoW is looking good in peoples eyes, content creators have to be like: "Oh, btw, you HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WOW SUCKS ACTUALLY! Because otherwise you'd be having fun and who wants you to have that? BE PESSIMISTIC 24/7!" To everyone reading this, you have my wholehearted permission to, get this... Enjoy things... Go wild.

I started WoW fishing for my dad at 5 years old, I am 18 this year and still play the game there are alot of people my age and even younger that play.

There should definitely be more effort to make old content replayable without having to make new characters, not just new challenge but effort to keep things relevant

Got into the game a couple months ago for the first time, and even solo I've had a great experience. bots and spam can be annoying, but not nearly as bad as other MMO's IMO. Aside from a few NFT enjoyers, most people have been super nice in both helping me figure out what I'm doing, and also just socializing. The UI has to be my main issue. I don't understand when people complain about the graphics for WOW, but the UI needs some type of work for newer players I think. Wayyyy too easy to get lost (not always a bad thing), and when you've never done anything before, it's not very simple figuring out where you went off track. Maybe bc I'm new I don't see it, but I don't think this game needs a BR mode or anything like that at all lol. Genuinely have never enjoyed the experience of getting into a game as much as this one, even with small annoying things.

20:00 BDO had a battle royale mode called Shadow Arena inside it. It was really fun, a lot of players played it because it gave good rewards to help people progress their gear for PvE and PvP in general, but then PA decided to remove it from the game and launch it standalone. It was trash, no one played it outside BDO, a lot of changes werent fun, then it died. BDO players still ask PA to put Shadow Arena back on BDO but meh, they never listen

As a Czech I love the fact that he's calling Slovakia Slovenia.. :D Best way to piss them off :D

A free to play BR game set in Azeroth would be easy and cheap to make. Just put it in a few zones like Nagrand and add some houses to find equipment, use existing (or preferably older) features and spells and make it 4 person teams. Then you can just add Transmog as micro transactions to let people buy skins.

Yeah, this video led me down a rabbit hole of imagining what a PVP BG could look like. Lol rant below, kinda wish something like this was implemented. I think that WoW could implement a PVP BG system where you play as some of the protagonists (Jana, Arthas), and the BGs could be based on major battles between factions, and not induce retcons by establishing these are the visions that NZoth had of what could happen. Having us play as the main NPCs also could enable different abilities (simplifying them), BG objectives to power them up, and establish meaningful connections with the lore by showing emblematic battles. It could even allow micro transactions I guess, for emotes or something non-impactful on gameplay. If it was allowed as a game mode within WoW, it could be ftp and make ftp players engage with the World, be interested in actually facing dungeons and raids with their own characters. It could have some sort of ingame rewards related to seasons, like enabling these NPCs to 'remember' and offer you something from the past, like unique mounts, tabard or transmog gear. I would love to play this, I honestly feel like one of the biggest failures of WoW is establishing emblematic NPCs that have OP powers and supposedly are active in the world but only stand there and wait for a random adventurers to solve everything.

I only have one major quarrel with one of Asmon’s takes, and that is his comment regarding requiring statistics in lieu of algebra 2 in high school. I have a master’s in economics with a focus on econometrics, have taught applied and AP statistics at the high school level, and students who did not have algebra 2 prior to either of these classes struggled. I do agree that statistics should be a requirement, though. That said, I believe high school students could predominantly do without most geometry/trigonometry concepts and be perfectly fine in life.

Regarding account-bound gear, it's a decent idea, but I thought early EQ had it right. Outside of some quest items, most of the high-end gear in EQ was not bound to your character in vanilla EQ. A vast majority of the gear in the game was tradeable which made for a much more robust gear economy. Prices were stabilized by the lack of instancing of boss mobs combined with larger loot tables. So items would retain their value fairly well until future content patches released newer, better items. Also, the pacing of stat inflation on items was pretty mild until Scars of Velious released. They also had some really nice and useful gear that was available in low-mid level dungeons, as well as some longer spawn mobs out in the world (Fishbone Earring, etc.) This created somewhat of a tiering of items when expansions would release, in that really solid gear would come down in price and become more affordable for newer/lower level players. It also allowed high-end players to twink out their alts with some of the better gear in the game, which really incentivized alts and improved replayability, despite the slow leveling speed of the game.

40:17 Gear is like that in ESO and I love that about the game. IIRC you can even sell it later.

Also Classic with the Ironsoul challenge was fun, me and my friends enjoyed it alot. Wish they would do something like that more often with maybe take inspiration from some pservers like Ascension WoW with shuffled ability from all classes.

Thorghast was super cool during the beta when Preach 1st covered it, allowing you to make crazy build with infinite scaling, you would sneeze by the 8th floor and everyone would die. Super fun, but I was scared that it would be TOO MUCH FUN, when you would go back to your normal spec gameplay, feeling like a downgraded version. But then they nerfed Thorghast to make it hard for most dps spec, forcing you to play healer or tank because SCALING OMEGALOL and then they made it mandatory content, killing the fun of it. Wish they could have balanced it in the middle, still keep the fun aspect of making somewhat op build but scaled down and not making it mandatory (think like playing a Roguelike game, you play to have fun, no end goal for progression).

So i've been thinking about the PvP thing. I've been playing retail since WoD (skipped cata/MoP since i was busy playing wotlk on private servers), and thought about the best PvP experiences i had in MMORPG's. I immediately thought about Guild Wars 2 when it released, and the arena tournament private servers for WoW TBC. I think the GW2 approach would do wonders to WoW PvP: Create a toon, get through the initial introduction (lvl 10 in WoW), and teleport to the "Mistlands" where your character is at max level, and you can pick up max-ilvl gear/Sockets/Enchants which ONLY work in the PvP environment. In GW2 i was able to frequently swap classes, get exotic gear and start playing PvP. After i got stomped i started optimizing stats/specc/sockets to get better. The rewards were purely cosmetic. Seeing a necromancer planting the "Dragon" rank banner in PvP was a sight to behold, pure prestige like "that guy is the GOAT!". This would massively increase the current PvP sphere, and actually increase potential new players! I actually leveled up in GW2 because i wanted to try the lvl 80 max gear character in PvE! And it was a blast.

Blizzard has a good and creative dev, their limiting factor is the game engine, too many clunky and constrained mechanic and feature because of that. And as long as the game kept making money, they have no reason to update or make another wow haha...

Lol I'm a kid in High School and I love Wrath Classic, I look forward to raiding every week. So there are some kids who do love this game. ❤

I want to point out by the way. Before dwarf fortresses release on steam, it was essentially free. Its growing on top of going from free to a 40 dollar price tag. Its crazy popular. EDIT: also, if wow wanted to do a br, they totally could, by having the skills be the item pickups. Have every character have standardised gear, and pick up skills as random drops around the map. Doesnt matter if it makes crazy combos, as its restricted to a different game mode.

Thorgast would have been awesome if you´d be able to get gear from it.. Like at the end of a run, there is a chance to drop some awesome loot, higher level = better loot.. that would have made it worth it imo.

When it Comes to BR in wow or dota, They could add like a Pet/mechanical skill bar that pops up when you enter the map/instance. Abilitiew could be based on your class and spec?

I feel like his argument started to fall apart as Asmon pointed out the stat bias and error, but it really crumbled in the interview. I got the impression that this guy is really disconnected from mainstream games, so it's hard to take his word that simply add popular games mechanics into wow = saved.

Seems to me like the dude just made a wanna be info video were he reflects upon himself saying wow will be dead in 5 years, cuz prolly he quit and cant handle his age/time to return back, so he tries to drag everyone on this thought train with him.

the ffa in wow should use those like arcana buffs like u get some time to kill and get some buffs stacked and have to choose then doors open and people go at it

Personally I'd love for them to bring old old dungeons Into the m+ rotation, I'd LOVE to do some classic up to wrath dungeons In M+. Same with older raids, bring them back In rotation like timewalking.

Didn't they try a Battle Royal thing in WoD over in Nagrand? Last player standing wins? Don't remember what it was called, but I think it gave the Lord of War title?

They've been saying this since Cata

@1:09:34 the issue with this argument is league may only have 4 abilities per character, but it has like there is 150 of them or w/e and some abilities have unique results when used in a string, and those strings can be modified further with weapons and traits and such. take zoe for example. a lot of people esp in low ranks do not understand how play against her. It is because she can come in from far away, throw sleep bubbles over walls and basically teleport in and oneshot you. well.. what happens when you know the spots that extend the bubble throw and you preemptively avoid those spots like I can? well you do not get one shoted. I can also save my team member by purposely getting hit by the sleep, quickly attaching to a teammate and neglect that cc and bonus damage on a teammate. So not only do you need to understand how your own 4 abilities string together and can combo, but they can have interesting interactions to other abilities from opposing side, like how I negate so much from knowing about how zoe works with me being on yuumi. trying to understand wow PVP and everything around it is less complex then fully understanding league , its why challengers are challengers from playing it everyday for 8 hrs for 2 yrs + what is the result of wow pvp arena players that do the same dedication of knowing every aspect of the game like that? so my point is, you are vastly underselling how complex league abilities really is, esp when you account for all the items you get in league and need to understand those to suit your character, and reacting to builds the other side is making

People have been saying this about WOW, ESO, world of tanks, and war thunder for decades

I think they could have done a battle royale in WoW using known NPCs like Thrall and Jaina and Wrathion, etc. You play as them so people just starting out don't have to gear up a character just to compete. Then maybe you unlock some quality of life things by leveling them up, and some stuff you can use in the main game like weapon skins.

Breaking news, not just 15 year olds are going to get bored leveling in classic wow.

wish that they would expand on some of the optional content, would be neat if I could upgrade my battle pets to epic or legendary through breeding or something. I do think 25 is a good max level for battle pets but I would like a little more stuff to do, other than battle and catch pets. Honestly just copy more from Pokémon why not plenty of people love Pokémon and WoW. A shiny system would be neat especially if you can breed some of the old pets and sell the shinny's for a ton of gold. Though I still like the battle pets and engage with the content its getting kind of stale.

How WoW could incorporate MOBA into a BG: - 5v5, small-mid map size, your actionbars change in this BG like when you hop on a turret or vehicle does rn. Horde and Alliance can play together. - Each spec only has access to 3-4 core abilites + 1 ultimate and a blink *zone ability*. These abilities wouldn't be straight from your spellbook, but would be like Lightning Bolt: does 100 damage. ie: elemental shaman has lightning bolt, flame shock, frost shock, earthquake and reincarnate as an ultimate. - Could even make specific spells FOR this BG. Maybe hunters get a cross-map skill-shot ultimate arrow like Ashe from LoL. - Same spells every time and the spells do the same damage every time regardless of gear or level, but only as a baseline. There is a shop to buy items that are similar to the legendary weapons in the BC Kael'thas fight: noticeably strong but conjured and locked to the BG. - Waves of creeps running down the lane that drop a BG-locked currency (just to keep gold out of it). Only get the currency if you land the killing blow. Ranged classes would have an auto attack that would be some sort of range (like mages using a wand, ele sham throwing a rock, etc) - A unit in a bush is like a rogue in a smoke bomb, but if you're in there too then you can see/hit it. Killing bosses for team-wide buffs. Kill mobs in the jungle to get buffs. This makes a game within a game and an evergreen PvP system that is skill based and will require balancing, but significantly less than arena or RBGs. Cosmetic rewards for winning X games with Y spec, like a skin. Recolours here would be perfect: win 10 games get green set, win 100 games get blue set, win 1000 games get red set. So when you see someone in a red set you know right away that guy is a full neck-beard.

I mean in all fairness, people were this happy at the start of shadowlands too

The way asmon destroys meta on stream is brilliant, hes not even attacking him directly yet but he still manages to let him look like a joke.

In FFXIV we do have a MOBA mode with lanes, minions and jungle creeps. It's called Rival Wings and on Aether, one of the main NA servers that hold a large portion of the playerbase, the game mode is dead. It requires an entire Community Discord server to organise events for queues to be less than 30 minutes. Even reworking it hasn't revived the queues. So really, it's not just about shoehorning the current trend into a game.

But I think, scenarios should be bigger, and longer or repeatable and be able to obtain gear also

Well all be in the retirement home playing WOW

I love how professional and polite asmond is to guests on his show

It can be nostalgic for early 20 something's that watched their parents play it back in the day. I actually find my self playing games that my dad used to play now as an adult.

A battle royale would work if implemented like Ascension WoW. You collect cards, create a load out as you play.

Love your videos. It's nice to see this type of content where you can have a good conversation with someone even if you don't fully agree with them. Keep it up. Happy to see you back on Twitch.

"WoW is dead." - some guy - every year - since 2006

Also free for all PvP in WoW works incredibly well, the custom server WoW:Ascension did (does?) this and it was incredible. You dropped down as a legion meteorite and just went to town, there was full loot drops on death and it was awesome.

My friend at work started playing wow for the first time by playing a ret pally in season of mastery...

it's like those videos were made for asmon to react on them

As a player of Everquest since Kunark era I have watched year after year of progression servers keeping it alive. Yes eq "died" a long time ago, but it is actually still profitable, and thousands of players are still logging in daily to play it. Wow will do the same thing, it will last for over a decade more at least just with Progression realms.

Why They don't allow me to change my character class the same as I can change my character spec? I hate this feeling when I had completed everything on my main character and then I login to my alt and all the things are not done. I want to make it once and keep the feeling of having stuff done on all my characters

WOW should make a big changing in the art style. For a start with costumization of the characters. Most of the MMOs RPGs has a vast costumization options. But WOW we still limited. Why? But that kind of change is not easy, because if we can make big changes in a character's body, all the itens must combine/fit with it. Like shoulders. In other games we can make a female character with a face that looks like Megan Fox or Scarlett Johanson if we want. Because of vast costumization options. That would bring players to the game for sure.

Imagine Wintergrasp (or any of the other BGs) with each side played by a single player. You control how to deploy your troops to win the battle. All the assets are ready to go, and Blizzard has Starcraft to lift some code from if necessary. It would still feel like WOW, but have a different play style.

While I would play a BR experience in WoW I would greatly prefer to see a new addition to the WoW franchise as a stand alone product. I think WoW has had an array of artistic styles that serve the variety of products in the franchise and each rendition has differed in its level of caricature or detail. If the Warcraft franchise took the opportunity to produce a Battle Royal I think it would look best standing as close as possible in game play to the visuals delivered in the WoW CG / live action movie. - For motive and setting I think the Ogre's of Dire Maul could collect heroes of the various races and pit them as small parties against other contending parties within hostile arenas. Say for instance, Un'Goro crater. Stalk the jungle amongst the ruins of ancient civilizations while evading the local Devilsaur. This event is brought to you by the eyes of Kilrogg. If it followed roughly the same design as APEX, a hero shooter, you could play for free and do the silly monthly pass with new maps and champions every season. Lastly, I am very down for a high budget fantasy BR and pray it will be in 1st person.

fun fact: I was 5 or 6 years old when I started playing WoW (came from Warcraft 3, my mom played it a lot, I got to try it... and so on) that was Just before TBC... I may not be able to remember much from it... but I'm still playing wow to this day (just on and off tho XD)

If WoW really wanted new players they would run add campaigns on tv instead of just youtube. The "Who's side are you on" and Mr. T commercials were huge for the game.

I love pet battles, I probably have more gameplay collecting and battling pets alone than most have in these other games. I wish wow would really try to improve the pet battle system though. They just add new pets and that's about it.

MetaGoblin's diagnosis of 5 years, is like having a doctor who hasn't seen you since 2018 and tells you have terminal cancer. The doctor also didn't go to medical school, and has never treated a patient.

Turn Warfronts into a battleground. The numbers would have to be tweaked , but that has a ton of potential and wouldn't be too challenging to adapt.

The only thing that will be dead is Asmon’s hair! 😂

i love wow i always have. My ex-girlfriend got me into when i was in high school. I am now 32 and i dont play it anymore. I still love it but with me getting colon cancer and having serious issues with my Crohn's disease, sadly i can no longer afford to play wow. I had my colon removed 5 months ago and have been playing a lot of rpg games and as good as some of them are none of them come close to how much i enjoyed wow. If i ever am able to get an income going again i will for sure be playing wow hardcore again. Right now, to clarify i have been recovering from surgery and chemo and i am fighting for disability. Asmond i know u may never see this but i love watching you and a few other youtubers content and i much enjoy your twitch streams of playing wow. Thank you so much this video is great! WOW will never die! true fans will always play. :)

i tried getting into WoW but since I don't really play MMO's I didn't understand the endgame at all, what to do, what gear is good, etc. I'd love to dive into MMO's to have something to get into since I mostly play competitive games and it's getting stale. Might be single player games for me.

Wow has huge replayability though doesn't it? Areas that were never leveled in, different classes, an entire different faction. I mean I leveled 3 alts of different races all in completely different places and got a ton of different stories/items I hadn't seen before.

WoW won't die. Because we the players won't allow it to do so.

Something I think would be dope is a game like jedi outcast 2 in an mmo format. Maybe sprinkle in some totk attributes.

i would like to know what blizzards current expenses are for WoW.

This is one of his best videos yet And I'm only 23 min in, asmon is spitting facts and being objective, killing it lately.

It’s time we all migrate to the most ambitious game of all time…RAID SHADOW LEGENDS

They could just make a BR based on the Torghast system. They already have a torghast "lootable" power system that can be used in place of weapon drops.

I wish they tried bringing team BR into WoW. Like, you queue as a TSG and you get 2 Shadowmournes and go to town. Imagine having Kalimdor as a map.

asmons content is transformative for sure, he transformed a 15 minute video into 1 hour 30 minutes

I just thought I'd mention that i don't think you understand how to read line graphs. The spike and valley looking graph data was segmented into quarters and the smoother down trend graph data was segmented by year.

This is more shows the disconnect between classic and retail players.

They tried the Moba example with Ashran, and to a lesser extent Warfronts

The most shocking thing for me is the money put in Star Citizen.

I love warcraft but to me and i imagine a lot of other new players that have played the trial would say that the subscription is a big problem for us. 12.99 EUR to play a game for a month and then i got to pay another 12.99 just to continue playing reminds me of PS plus or Xbox Live. I think if blizzard wants to get some new players, making it a one time purchase game and get more microtransactions to compensate for the lack of income. Black Desert has this monetization plan and it seems to work out well for them, especially when you consider how good of a game it is

It's not the first time people think wow will be dead in some years or so since cataclysm, and here we are the game is still alive. Yeah the last two expansion was bad, but they did a good job for Dragonflight and If the Wow team continue that way, listen more of our feedback, etc., I'm pretty sure the game won't be dead in 5 years.

As someone who hasn't touched WoW in over 10 years and came back and bought Dragonflight/Subscribed. I have enjoyed Dragonflight ALOT. Pretty much put every game down for the moment. I have a lvl 70 Dracthyr and I'm gonna grind a Paladin Tank for my Alt then probably be done.

WoW would have an easier barrier of entry into PvP if they used a similar model that Guild Wars 2 does. You make the toon and you can do max level PvP almost instantly.

My only gripe with dragon flight is the fact you can't make more than one dragon... I don't buy micro transaction in ANY game I play.

Why has no mmo made a battleground or even a central mechanic with rts elements. Level NPCs or alts, have them protect your base or assist you in raiding and have a base invasion mode. Now players try different classes and learn the classes, station the characters, etc. No brainer fun mode. You can expand that into a no barrier draft type mode for people who want to try. Throw an idle game in there as well.

I agree … the game has adapted to 2022 taste of video game players… and it’s wow if you adapt too much the older folks who are still locked in wouldn’t feel so tied to the good ole days

Solution: Get rid of Leveling and implement talent point gain for Main Story Quest. Solution: Get rid of Randomized Gear over time in phases and keep Tier Sets as Gear gains. Solution: Revamp the interaction feature of Mythic plus and Raiding, implement 6 Sets of gear each set gained as a whole. i.e. Upon completion of heroic GAIN full heroic set. allows player skill decreases computation of specific gear combinations and increases production on boss encounters/ mythic plus encounters.

Here's an idea for PVP: Gear is equalized and you only keep a smaller pool of abilities/talents for each class....do it

I find it weird that the guy is not making eye contact with the camera and just reading his script the whole time

I was actually shocked by the amount of people I ran into playing Classic WOTLK as their first WoW experience. And many were younger than those dudes example of that one guy in his twenties.

Since he didn't play SL, He missed they added a huge genre for replaybility, Aka Rogue-like. Which was Torghast, I had fun in it. Since i was not spamming it. Hopefully they will add something similar in DF, or expand Torghast. Just have cosmetic rewards. Also they should find a Rift/portal in Torghast, to take you to other locations. Maybe 1 leads to Argus, outland or something new. Maybe few portals would send you to a random old dungeon, which you can solo/1-5 flex. But scaled up to your level. Different boons/perks should make it soloable.

What if you put Runescape and RS3 together? That probably beats WoW retail and WoW classic.

wasn't the original alterac valley basically like a moba? with npcs pushing either way

From my experience, the previous 2 expansions I've quit because I've gotten all the heroic ilvl gear. I keep wanting to play Dragonflight (probably due to nostalgia), but the gameplay is dated and not satisfying for me anymore.

imagine a WoW Battle royal where you start with standardized Heirloom gear and you can find some items and upgrades as you play but everyone starts off equal

I agree with a lot of what asmongold is saying, but my main argument against wow’s success and mmo success in general is the reliance on tab targeting combat. No zoomer is gonna enjoy tab targeting and that is going to get MUCH worse with time. Definitely think new world is a step in the right direction and I honestly hope the LoL mmo will have something different or a radically changed version of it