Wow! Is Tony Northrup right about Quad Bayer phone cameras?

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Күн бұрын

Went down a deeper rabbit hole than I intended, some serious pixel peeping shows that despite being illogical in their approach (just cutting a pixel into 4ths but with the same filter on top) offers more than one might think.

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@Wairoakid 9 ай бұрын

Love your calm and logical approach. Have learnt a lot from your videos.

@cwaynefox 9 ай бұрын

I appreciate that!

@robertnystrom289 9 ай бұрын

Well done!

@cwaynefox 9 ай бұрын

Thx.

@bruce-le-smith 9 ай бұрын

makes sense, thanks!

@mikethespike056 8 ай бұрын

just stumbled across your channel researching quad bayer cameras. great video and btw your camera looks fantastic. while that guy you talked about definitely didn't understand quad bayer sensors, it's still funny how apple claims to have 7 lenses when no other phone manufacturer says that. samsung with their 200 MP tetra²pixel camera could claim they have like a dozen lenses but they don't do it. it's literally digital zoom. does it get more detail? yes, but it's still digital zoom. anyway i hope you're still reading because im curious about how exactly the interpolation is done here, and how the aperture affects how much detail can physically be captured.

@bunkermagnus 9 ай бұрын

This is a great video. Great logic approach. The modern iphones can't compete with regular camera in the "physical" realm, like sensor size and lens characteristics. What the phones have in abundance is computational power so all this makes sense, they want more data to process and they can do more in a shorter period of time. I always felt that Tony goes a little too hyperbolic about the iphones and suspected there are more to it. Thanks for clearing that up.

@cwaynefox 9 ай бұрын

Good comment. I had a section talking about the amazing computational power of these latest phones, including a quote from Marques Brownlee stating the 28, 35 and 48mm presets have special computational efforts behind them to maximize the quality , but the video got too long so I decided to focus on just the resolving ability of the quad bayer sensors and how many including myself underestimated they’re ability to resolve detail. thanks for watching.

@noneother7549 5 күн бұрын

i think while the 12 mp image clearly wasn't able to store all of the available information, the 48 mp image also has some pretty clear distortions from their post processing algorithm where the raw information is just not there. a true 48 mp image would look totally different (and much better). their claims about cropping are, well... maybe you get around 6 mp fidelity from the 48 mm crop. not the 3 mp he is claiming but also not 12 mp. it's enough to post on instagram. i think the more interesting question is does this sensor make images look "weird" or over sharpened. there were a lot of complaints when it first released. but this can obviously also be changed in software to some degree.

@putubing 9 ай бұрын

Wayne why dont you make utube videos in 4K, This video would have been helped by an increase in resolution

@cwaynefox 9 ай бұрын

Your right. Very few of my videos would benefit from 4k but this one would have. Should have thought of it.

@ryanclouse299 9 ай бұрын

Not a fan of Tony. He says a lot of things that are sort of unintelligible. 48 mp is 48mp and it is taking in more information, but the color arrangement is not a good as a standard bayer arrangement but is better than 12mp. It is true that they are indeed cropping, which i think is mostly the point. the quad bayer does seem like an advantage specifically for 12 mp binning and video.

@tommyharris5817 Ай бұрын

Tony Northup is right; I have the 15 Pro Max, which is no better than my older 13 Pro Max. Also, it is useless in low light. In fact, my 13 PM was better in many cases!

@cwaynefox 26 күн бұрын

His video was only about resolution and nothing about low light abilities, and that’s all I was addressing. I’m curious if your really watched the video, or you just arent’ happy with your iPhone camera for some reason; I would suspect you maybe didn’t actually watch the video through. Tony Northrup’s entire video and conclusions right down to his ridiculous conspiracy theory that apple did it to sell more iCloud storage are based on one assumption he makes, that current phone 48mp sensors are bogus and don't offer anything over a 12mp sensor. His statement that cutting the pixel into 4ths with the same filter doesn’t offer anything shows he doesn’t understand the importance of the ability of each of those sub pixels to record the luminance value. This is as important, and probably more important than the color and indeed is the reason the sensor is effective.. My video clearly shows the 48mp sensor delivers much more detail than a 12mp equivalent, and the difference isn’t small or subtle. I thought I did a pretty good explanation of why his conclusion seems “logical”, but in fact is incorrect (and in fact was the same mistaken logic I had when I first heard about these quad bayer sensors.) I also thought I did a pretty good job explaining that none of this is about photography, and the phone makers aren’t doing these high megapixel sensors for the same reason as the camera makers have been doing for the past 20 years. This is al about getting decent quality digital zoom, not high resolution single shots to print large.

@tommyharris5817 26 күн бұрын

@@cwaynefox If you compared the 15 PM with 13 PM in low light, you would find that one is not better than the other; both are useless.

@cwaynefox 26 күн бұрын

@@tommyharris5817 you might be right, wouldn’t know since I only use the phone for snapshots and documenting some things as well as quick videos. But you said Tony Northrup was right and you seem to basing that conclusion on something that has no relevance to his video or mine. In regards to resolution of a quad bayer 48mp sensor, which is all my video is about, he isn’t right.