Dina: I can't fight anymore... I am pregnant Mel: *Pathetic...*

Wait a minute this was a zombie game? i spent more time killing humans than actual zombies in this.

Loved this game, I was heart broken when Joel introduce himself to Abby by saying, "Hi my name's Joel" which prompted Abby to ask, "You're Joel?" Only for Joel to reply, "Joel Momma!" And then Abby beat him to death with a golf club.

About Ellie being a potential carrier of the virus. If you read her journal you can learn about an event that took place before the story where Ellie freaked out because a girl (not Dina) kissed her on the lips. It was Ellie's first kiss and she thought she passed the infection to the other girl who thought that Ellie was reacting due to it being out of nowhere so Ellie watches that girl like a hawk for a full day with no issues happening so she considered herself okay from then on.

For a game that tries to tell you revenge is bad, it makes killing people really fun.

gas mask that obviously had decaying flesh stucked to it for god knows how long and isn't even sanitized abby : lOoKs GoOD

Just a small issue. Even in the first game, Ellie had a switchblade that could be used indefinitely for stealth kills, she's always had the op infinite shiv. LOL.

People who defend the way Joel died often say that it's because of his time in Jackson. However, as seen in flashbacks and him rescuing Abby, he's more sincere but he isn't stupid. Surrounded by strangers and giving your name, especially when you know how many possible enemies you've made is not smart and I doubt he'd make that mistake unless writers needed to twist personality for plot reasons.

its funny how the infected mutated more in 4 years then the first 20

*This game is "realistic", but a pregnant broad keeps falling off roofs and tumbling down hills and still has a baby to give birth to.*

39:53 Ellie went back to check Mel's pregnancy, because right before he died, Owen told Ellie that she was pregnant.

It's still kinda funny to me that you spend the game hunting down Abby and killing everyone that was with her, as well as countless others, have Ellie lose basically everything trying to do so. And when you finally catch up to her, Ellie doesn't kill Abby. Wasting all the lives she's taken to _NOT_ do the one thing she sacrificed so much to do.

They didnt just remove Joel's plot armor, they also removed his cautiousness.

"See there was sequel, wasnt as good" ~Joel, 2020

The main problem I had with this game was that they killed Joel too early. When they kill him I’m like the conclusion of the first game became meaningless and I was not invested in anything anymore. I was confused and bewildered until the flashbacks. And why are their parts where you can die in flashbacks.

I always pondered why the fireflies never let Joel see Ellie at least once before the operation. It never made sense why they felt the need to rush the surgery before even conducting conclusive tests and as Roanoke Gaming stated, they likely could've gotten what they needed with a spinal tap. They rushed like they had no time left remaining, like the world would end within moments unless they found a cure through the operation. They rushed like their fortifications were under attack. If anything the biggest threat there was not allowing Joel to have some peace of mind. You go tell a man who has been through hell that the girl he almost died for multiple times he cannot see one last time. Let the man atleast see she is alright. As we already could tell Ellie wasn't entirely sure herself of she would've refused as her main beef with Joel was his taking that choice away from her. While it isn't assured, Joel would likely of listened to Ellie if she chose to go through with the surgery and die. If the Fireflies had just let them meet just one more time their operation would not have been destroyed and a possible cure could've been found. Also key word is possible, just because she was immune doesn't necessarily mean they could have synthesized a cure or some sort of vaccine. Again a good reason for running more conclusive tests before resorting to a hail marry surgery that would have killed their only recorded case of immunity they had at their disposal. Rmember The Girl with All the Gifts. The doctor there had spent ages studying those "children" and after testing for a while finally came to the decision of operating on a candidate she believed would work. There was no hail marry and as far as they were concerned they didn't believe a breach would occur in their base's defenses. Skipping past the fact the plot demanded for the events of the first game's ending to end like it did we can see how the lack of communication as Wow Such Gaming pointed out, not only possibly ruined mankind's chances for a some sort of cure but also caused a chain of death that was unecessary. And while I'm on that note, when it was clear Joel had grown attached to Ellie, seeing her as a second daughter, and was clearly against the plan with Ellie, the Fireflies should have executed him on the spot rather than let him go.

This game is supposed to be realistic, but Abby falling on her back like 3-4 stories through a sky roof doesn’t kill her.. k

Abby starved like three families to make those gains

Judging from how much muscle Abby lost I'm gonna say she was ingesting more than other peoples' rations.

With the amount of time between one and two, both in real life and in game, we needed more time with Joel and ellie. We needed to see how they are now that they're older and ellie is a grown woman. Some scenes of how Joel deals with his decision to sacrifice a chance for a cure for his "daughter". But instead an hour in hes killed with a golf club. And not being able to kill abbie at the end is an absolute braindead move.

Being high as hell and with no weapon is what you want to be when mushroom walk the earth. Not focused and armed. Why is the pregnant woman in a warzone right????

You forgot to sin Abby getting stab in the thigh, then moments later walking normally right after she's about to kill Dina.

12:37 but it doesn't make sense because in the first game you can sneak pass most of the fireflies and you can shoot the doctor in the leg. This still to me makes the whole plot of the 2nd game dumb. It also makes me angry how they want us to think "omg Ellie killed a pregnant woman, she's a monster" but she didn't even know wth.

One thing that not many people i hear talking about is that on the first game ellie says to joel that her biggest fear is to be alone and the ending of the second game just make her fear a reality

my favorite thing is the fact that they try to do "revenge is a bad thing" when in reality its leaving witnesses is a bad thing. in this scenario of course

Dr. Abby's Dad really tried to bring a scalpel to a flamethrower fight...

What got me scratching my head is that Joel was able to demolish the entire Firefly camp in the first game to the point that they disbanded the group, but couldn't fight off a bunch of teenagers. And no it wasn't "gameplay" mind you. The intro of part 2 literally shows dead firelies on the ground meaning that Joel did actually solo the entire building full of armed people.

For the bite mark one... she said it was a chemical burn. She didn’t tell her she was immune after they had seggs lol

Killing Abby should have been a player choice with 2 different endings

Of course abby is so ripped she's got a balanced diet of zebra meat

Pretty sure there’s evidence in Joel’s house that he crafts these guitars himself

1:05:34 it is confirmed that Isaac died, if you hang out around the radio when Abby and Lev sneak into the theatre, you can hear a conversation between the base and the one and only WLF group who radioed in. They said that Issac died and that no back up came in. We can assume the WLF were slaughtered and that the organization fell apart, especially without their leader.

You missed the biggest sin of all of them. Tommy and Joel just flat out say who they are. Joel knows people would be after him. Tommy knows people would be after Joel. Why would they honestly say their real name? They're both smart so they'd most likely know that these new faces could be dangerous because how many groups are around their area that they don't know? Its just beyond stupid character destruction. The tape recorder. She found that tape but for some reason not the one that said there was no guarantee that killing Ellie would 100% work. Also saying that she wasn't the first or only immune. Abbie's dad gave Joel no choice. Death if he tried to take her without killing him. Her dad also gave Ellie no choice. He just put her out and said we're doing it. Abbie also forced her dad's hand and said "I'd want you to do it if it was me". Well Ellie isn't her so she can't make that decision herself. The Fireflies also show zero regard for Ellie's well being. Joel is giving CPR to Ellie and the fireflies just stock bash him instead of helping. There is no way that the fireflies don't know that they should be expecting them because Marline is there. Being a Marine I know if you're on watch you should know when to be expecting someone. Yet the older guy trying to give CPR to a young girl just didn't register to the guys on watch that these are the droids we're looking for. After Joel hears what will happen to Ellie he's forced out by gun point with no chance of saying goodbye. Yeah sounds like Joel caused what happened. If someone has a gun on me the only action I'm taking is violence when the opportunity strikes. Joel showed care for human life by trying to revive Ellie. Fireflies showed zero by bashing him stopping his attempt to save a life. Then proceeded to act in violence when Joel is upset and force his hand. Fireflies 10000% caused what happened not Joel.

Honestly your joke about the Bloater going apeshit at the rats in the walls was probably closer to the truth than you think. Infected in general probably freak out at the smallest noise as is especially considering how dilapidated the buildings are there are probably small noises happening all the time that they freak out and go after.

To be honest the game could have been perfect with the exact same story if they paced it differently and gave you the choice at the end. Either Do: 1. Ellie's Revenge Quest(without showing the reason/Joel's death, or target of revenge), At mock confrontation have you swap, play from the Abbys perspective up to Joel's death(big reveal, but not really), have you return to Ellie and Continually swap back and forth(to give you time to think about who you side with) as Ellie continues her quest. At final confrontation you get to choose if Ellie gets revenge(flashback to all the people lost or left because of revenge) or spares Abby(fast forward to them living their lives) Or 2nd way Start you as Abby(cause new start, plus unexpected) have you play until Joel's death then swap you to Ellie. Do Ellies revenge quest, swap back and forth occasionally, then big decision at end with same outcomes as 1st. We dont want messages shoved down our throats because then they have no real meaning. We have to feel responsible for the outcomes(making the choice) to be able to reflect on whether or not it was right. They had the right story the just used it in the wrong order.

One thing that bothered me a lot: You could miss your shot with the soda can silenced pistol and the bullet whizzes by their face and smacks into a door but they're not at all alerted by that. I don't hold it against them because there are so many other small detail elements that most games don't have but I'm still shocked they didn't code in any alert levels for a bullet soaring gallantly half an inch from their head and smacking into the door beside them.

Still confused why Joel didn't have a fake name when he knew damn well he was a wanted man

I'm just disappointed no one called out Dina, and Owen for being homie hoppers.

In regards to Abby tracking Joel down, it's been jokingly suggested by some that she went on a spree killing every single person named Joel that she came across. Probably not likely, but an amusing notion nonetheless. 🤣

After what Abbie did too Joel it was so damn hard to keep playing this game when you are forced to also play as her hated her so much lol

Called Lev an airbender, lmao. When the plot needed him most, he got punched into the side of a garage 💀

Also, I am so dang interested to know how an abandoned aquarium would smell 20+ years into the apocalypse. Can you even imagine? I don't care how much cleaning you do, that never sounds like a good idea for a secret base.

Don’t you just love how protagonists talk about goodness and keeping your word and how they look down on other survivors then pop wounded soldiers after saying they would let them go.

Old Coot: “Oh noes, two girls kissing!” The World: (is fucking dead)

The biggest sin must be that they have no protection on their arms, even though they constantly fight the infected all the time. Even go with less armour by only wearing a tank top

Me: Time to go to bed *Wow Such Gaming uploads Me: Maybe one more vid *1 hour and a half long Me: Maybe tomorrow

29:30 Naughty dog has some major balls replacing joel out with Jessy and making us all believe that joel is still alive

These kinds of endings are such a kick in the balls. No matter how good the journey is. The destination feels like everything you did was all for nothing. It doesn't have to be a happy ending, but just don't let it feel worthless. Yeah yeah revenge bad, but the ending still could've been better. Abbey dies for her revenge, Ellie finally gets revenge, but Dina leaving her still conveys that exact same message. It's not a happy ending, but at least it wasn't all for nothing. This was more like running a race where every step is a life you take. But at the last step you stop, and break your own legs yourself without finishing the race. Why did you even run this race in the first place!?

“Ellie’s gay by the way” - The Critical Drinker

Mel wasn’t a character she was just a cheap vehicle emotional manipulation.

Note: in the car scene plus the hanging scene in part one how did they automatically get infinite ammo

1:12:58 Jackson is in Wyoming not Wisconsin , so it’s a relatively shorter trip to California, as it was for Washington State

This game be acting like... the shear amount of stress that Dina’s under wouldn’t just cause her to have a miscarriage..... just sayin

I just realised playing Tommy for the end part could've been cool, Ellie lives her peaceful life and Tommy is the one who finally accepts not to pursue revenge like his brother's killer, or maybe let you kill Abbie as a choice, I dunno.

the pregnancy card ( didn't ) work with abby, she was still going to kill dina, even said " good. " she stopped because LEV wanted her not to, same reason you stated, but just thought i should point out she absolutely would have killed dina if not for lev.

I really like the idea of another scenario feel free to read this short novel if you want: Ellie and Dina gets separated on a scavenging hunt, we've seen the party and Dina and Ellie hooking up so we know their story also the town segment only difference is there's no snow yet, it hasn't fallen yet. So as Ellie looks for Dina, Ellie or Abby is in trouble and Ellie or Abby saves the other. They join hands for now since they are going in the same direction both not revealing why. They survive together you play with them together for a while maybe even switch characters for certain parts but this gameplay goes on for a while because it leads to eventually snowing. During this time together they'll start telling stories cue playable flashbacks, Ellie's birthday, Abby's childhood, Ellie even tell what happened at the party and when Abby asks if they made up the flashback cutscene of Joel and Ellie deciding to make amends shows, Ellie smiles and says yeah. You get to play all past flashbacks during this segment with Ellie and Abby the flashbacks worked into getting triggered by present environmen. Ellie sees a dinosaur "You know, I once climbed a real sized T-Rex." She gloats and Abby calls bullshit, cue dinosaur flashback. (For example) Over the days maybe even few weeks they bond and work great together as a team you experience it yourself as a player. Eventually it has started snowing and Abby finds her group, she introduces Ellie as a friend. They hold out during the storm when they hear an commotion, a group of clickers and no other than Tommy and Joel has reached the gate. (The same gate with the molotov just like in the game) Everyone now seek cover inside the house and Tommy is delighted to see Ellie but asks concerned where Dina is, Ellie says they got separated and she will look once the storm passes. Joel asks Ellie if she's okay a bit awkward and she answers in her Ellie awkward way. Abby interrupts and asks Ellie if they can be trusted clearly she already trust her enough to hear her answer. Ellie smiles a small smile and nods. "Yeah this is the country singer and sharpshooter" a nod to stories she told Abby during their time together. She didn't tell her their names because that would be stupid. (Stares at Tommy) Abby immediately drops her guard and they proceed to set a camp to ride out the storm. The group shares stories, laughs and jokes Ellie jokes about Bill earning a choked chuckle from Joel but then some wholesome stories ensue, they pass around food and get along great. You the player feel calm and relaxed. But again clickers interrupts the party because they've been attracted by the earlier commotion and somehow making it inside there's a shoot off. (Kinda like when Abby is with Joel and Tommy) During a certain moment Tommy will yell "Joel help me with this." During a crisis. And Abby freezes, it clicks in her mind that Ellie is that Ellie and that means Joel is the one and only. A cutscene plays with Abby putting pieces together Ellie telling cryptic stories that now fits perfectly into place. Now you play the flashback back in the hospital as Abby and find out that Joel killed Abby's father. So during this time you've played as Abby and Ellie, they are a power team together, Abby all muscle and Ellie a sharpshooter. You have enjoyed their jokes and jabs at each other, their sharing of their lives. Them even saving each other and now it's revealed that Abby was looking for Joel to get her revenge for her father and now you the player feel conflicted. You don't hate Abby because she kinda has become your best friend for a few hours of gameplay. The group makes it back to the room where their camp is and Abby waits in the doorway, Ellie comes last and gets halted by Abby. They look at each other and Ellie asks "what? What is it? Abby looks away not being able to look in her eyes and says. "I'm sorry Ellie." The atmosphere seems off and Ellie frowns and then she gets clocked by Abby. Ellie falls to the ground unconscious, Tommy and Joel immediately reacts and a Mexican stand off ensues, everyone is stunned for a minute when suddenly Joel gets shot in the leg just like in the game. Tommy gets knocked out along with Ellie and the sad Joel arc ends like in the game. Ellie slowly comes to and witness the horror in front of her. Abby hesitates when hearing Ellie beg and scream and she stops hitting but never turns around. The guy with the ponytail (I can't remember his name) walks up and tells her to finish this. Abby looks down at Joel and even if she would leave him now, it's too late, the damage made, no one can survive with that long term. Abby sets her mind to finish what she started and so she strikes the killing blow. Now Ellie wants to take revenge because Abby backstabbed her and she doesn't know why because the truth is only revealed to the player. And cue the hunt for Abby arc, Ellie is blinded by her will for revenge because now she didn't only lose Joel she also lost him to a friend. This makes it way more emotional because now you will feel conflicted about killing Abby because even though you might not agree with her actions she still had been fun playing with and as. When playing as Abby you'll notice the remorse in her, she feels like she avenged her father and it is justified but she regrets hurting Ellie, she sees her as another victim influenced by Joel, not another Joel. Welp that's all hope you guys enjoyed 😅

*no don’t help me, I’m big girl now*

“Don’t want to repeat the cycle of revenge” is the games messages you my knowledge. But the hundreds of WLF members don’t have a family that will want revenge?

When you were giving props to the stalker and not going to Add a sin, you should have also thought about looking around for paperwork that describes he actually locked himself in there so that he didn’t hurt his family🤷🏾‍♂️

A couple things, since we're talking about realism: Gasoline, gels up and expires within 6 months unless you treat it. So the generators probably wouldn't be functioning. Also, I know you brought up the suppressors(which are referred to in the game as silencers), but they are only silencers in fiction. In real life they are still quite loud, and they aren't used to make you stealthy. What they really do is make shooting easier on YOUR ears, and they can make it harder to detect a gunshot from a distance. So they're for battlefields and personal use, rather than assassinations. The exception is low-power low-caliber rounds such as .22's which can be relatively quiet in compared to almost anything else. These were chosen for most "hits" by the Mafia for that reason, because even without a suppressor they're not terribly loud.

That bloater fight in the arcade was really obvious to me. If the game gives you a bunch of free ammo and crafting material something big is coming, the rat king was less expected for me

You forgot that Tommy just told his name and exact where they live at random people and saving random people

Sin 2. The whole guitar string thing. They did come across a whole guitar center in one of the flashback missions between joel and Ellie. If the string are still packaged and sealed, it's very plausible that they have an abundance of fresh strings.

1:14:19 the Jackson in the game is in Wyoming, not Wisconsin. This explains how Ellie got to the hospital so easily which is in Salt Lake City, Utah.

Abby's death animations were the most satisfying parts of the game

Don't get me wrong, the gameplay was good. But all in all, I'll do the exact same thing I did with the Star wars sequel trilogy: Pretend it never happened.

At 41:14 , if you listen closely to Owen, he barely audibly says "Preg...nant" as he dies, and then Ellie checks and sees Mel is pregnant.

Ok just saying, Jackson is in Wyoming, making the trip to Seattle and Santa Barbara a little more believable

I don't exactly "hate" this game, but I was extremely disappointed with how they treated all of our beloved characters, and expected that we actually care about Abby.. We don't. At least I didn't, every time I was forced to play as Abby, I'd groan.. if your player dreads playing a character, and they are forced to play that character for more than half the game, that is a failure of a game.

It’s actually confirmed that issac was killed on the radio at the theater

You should point out that *Joel* sang *Future Days* since this song was performed by *Pearl Jam* at concerts as early as *July 2013* before the outbreak began on *September 2013.* _I don’t know, but this song is basically what the sequel is about._

A pregnant girl being emotional is not something she has control over. And it makes perfect sense that someone who just got pregnant would be way sicker than someone further along. Why did those things get sins?

The only lesson I learned from the last of us 2 is to never pre-order the deluxe addition from any game since that game may not seem what it's.

If only Joel didn't tell Abby his real name he could've lived...I mean Joel could have said: Hi, my name is Benito Mussolini

to be honest, a zombie apocalypse wouldnt stop me from growing weed

Jackson is in Wyoming not Wisconsin. Am I the only non-American who got that.

Joel got hung upside down in Bill’s trap Joel got impaled Ellie got hung upside down and impaled Gotta love the symbolism..

How Joel died is what pissed me off Joel is way smarter than just standing in the middle of room of people he doesn’t know.....

My biggest problem is how the hell did simple infected kill a moose but can be punched out by regular people?

Yo those bloopers at the end were killer, especially the lion king reference 10/10. Great video and you earned an easy subscriber.

I hate that the writers had an “out with the old and in with the new” mentality when writing this game and dealing with Joel’s character.

Saddest part about the ending to this game is Ellie cant play Joels song properly anymore due to the loss of her fingers. Truly losing everything

2:10 ok first, when yoh enter joels house, the top of his house is his own building room where he BUILDS these guitars. Thats why they slund and look so good.

1:10:13 People have survived being shot in the head before so this is plausible. But he is extremely lucky, like you said to have not bled out.

They should’ve at least made the game with 2 endings and give you the choice to kill Abby or let her live. Disappointing.

In regards to Abby's build, unless she's getting way more portions in rations or low key cannibalizing people and living in the gym for majority of the day, she's not gonna maintain a physique like that and let's not forget she's the only one in the WLF that looks this jacked. If you ever pay attention to pro athletes, body builders, models and actors/ actresses, maintaining a physique of a certain aesthetic before an event or shoot requires intense work out and strict dieting and is impossible to maintain yearly. Abby basically would've had to be a gym rat with barely any time to be a scavenger or front line soldier.

I can't believe you didn't mention the fact that she lost her ability to play guitar, her everlasting connection to Joel, in the fight to try and get vengeance for him.

Props to Jesse tho for being so chill about his ex getting with his friend within a couple days.

“Wisconsin”. That’s a weird way to say “Wyoming”.

I feel like the second zombie sin wasn't needed because even though it would be hard to manage such good up keep with a guitar of that quality, when you visit Joel's home in town you can see upstairs that he BUILDS guitars from scratch & even does wood work making figurines as a hobby as you wouldn't have much to do those days, It's all in the details of the game.

I need an “everything wrong with dying light”

Ellie and joel deserved better honestly I would've like a game where ellie and joel explore the father and daughter relationship

I disagree with sin 131. The death of a parent should’ve been sinned as a cliche. Not just that but I think it was 128-129 you didn’t bring up that this doctor was literally going to murder a child. In cold-blood. Ellie didn’t give permission nor anything resembling such. Kind of disappointed how people tend to forget that this doctor was about to murder a child rather than do tests

I agree with 90% of this, but Jackson is in Wyoming not Wisconsin.

Bro just said plastic degrades in 20 years💀💀 Forgot about that 1000 year half life?

40:12 “Now we have the pregnant chick and the guy that knocked her up-“ Yes that is quite literally a synopsis of their entire relationship😂😂😂

Here's a sin: How are there so many working vehicles? Wouldn't years of sitting around cause damage?

wait wasn't Jackson supposed to be in wyoming instead of wisconsin lol?

I think the thing I hate the most in this entire game is: So you have played Ellie's part and now we have reached the grand finale *Time to play Ebby's part and waste another nine hours!*