Who said that?

@@Fleshbag453 Stop giving Blizzard a free pass just because Activision has merged together with Blizzard. Almost the entire team of WoW back in the day has left on their own accord. Activision is shit, but Blizzard isn't the holy little angel that can do no wrong.

Activision controls what blizzard releases now they don't care about an emersive gaming experience it's all about profit for them

@@robh316 And this is why they are now standing on their heads trying to figure out a way to monetize WoW more. So far, they came up with the truly rock-solid idea to try and extend everything they can into infinity, slow down the combat so it takes longer, and force people into subbing for longer. It seems to have the opposite effect instead.

That state was so true and justice my mate !

You were busy playing wow haha

Stop smoking weed lmao

@@Kostadin_Arolski preach

14 years ago now

I still turn the music on in Howling Fjord whenever I go there.

Grizzly Hills for me.

My favorite zone Ever!

@@nicholaspetrovitch7925 The music in Grizzly is by far the best in the game. I love that zone so much. It brings back so many memories.

Can you even spell memories?

Easily the best in world WoW track

Best ever.

agree'd and I loved classes in wotlk.

Ulduar was one of my favorite raids.

Ulduar is my favorite raid so far.

Ulduar is by far the best raid they ever made. Preceded and followed by probably the worst they ever made...

Ulduar the pug killer you went from easy naxx to where you needed dec out raiders until it was made easier with people being able to out gear it with icecrown gear

win

Savage xD

But this one did.

Even Bellular one day will die.

FFXIV is the new king.

Didn't cry, but definitely had a swell of old memories. Now I'm just left feeling angry that these a-hole developers came in and forced their will onto our beloved game. What we're left with is an empty shell of what was. All the possibility and potential squandered, all the great systems & social aspect of what was, gone. BFA is just sad.

there are private servers available! Feel free to join Warmane 3.3.5 x1 exp rates realm, I myself am enjoying enormously

Michał Lxxa I will play warmane tonight thanks!

You know I was sitting with some of the same kinds of emotions/thoughts, this really was some apex period not only for WoW but apparently also for many of us in general :). However private servers do nothing for me, it was all about the time and the experience with the people when it was all new, that has made this insane piece of nostalgia (for me at least).

@@antygoniusz yeahp i'm on the exact same server, almost brought tears to my eyes lmao

Dual wield frost DK was the most fun tank. Taking it away was a mistake.

I agree, I died a bit when they ended up "fixing" dk the way they did. The change to dedicated specializations isn't exactly bad. Just sad what had to be given up for it

@@ryvrdrgn16 Removing blood,frost,unholy stances was mistake :-((

Dont think the problem was with Frost Tank, it was blood DK Pvp.. You just couldnt die and still put out a shitload of dmg

Unholy tanks were the most fun.

Imagine the shitstorm in the forums if they did this nowadays.

@@MrShadowThief Those shitstorms would be nothing compared what Diablo mobile received though.

It was, friend. Wrath was legit.

With slow progression came a feeling of accomplishment. Every level felt meaningful and significant. Having to buy your ability ranks meant prioritizing your growth, setting goals and accomplishing them. It made your character feel unique and significant. There also used to be class-specific quests, and sometimes different dialogue more than "hello, %race. I have a job for you, %class." There were also quests that told unimportant world-building stories. I remember one from Eastern Plaguelands that had you track down the members of a (now scourged) family and learn about their final days, which ended in finding the last family member in an outhouse he'd sought refuge in only, instead of a dead body (from starvation) we find a feral zombie and blood-stained fingernail claw marks on the inside of the locked-from-outside out-house. The whole thing was told by a ghost, cursed to walk EPL forever

Same, thankfully I got good wi-fi on the bathroom.

Same here too! 😁

watched on my break at work...love this stuff

And, let's be honest, it won't ever change either.

MoP was better.

MoP FOR LIFE

Debatable. It improved a lot of things over TBC, but it's also where the rot started. Class homogenization, dumbing down of content in the name of accessibility, giving away top-tier loot for doing content you could sleepwalk your way through... it all started in Wrath. They tried to walk some of that back in Cata, but it was too late. An entire generation of players had gotten accustomed to having it easy, they quit in droves when they actually had to work to get good gear, and Blizzard had to back down. Some mistakes can't be fixed. Raiding was equally hit-and-miss. Naxx 2.0 was simply awful. Such a slap in the face of the pinnacle of vanilla raiding. I didn't know it was possible to desecrate a necropolis of the undead, but there you go. It was so dull that many raiding guilds fell apart because people just couldn't be bothered to turn up for yet another night of drudgery. Mine was one of them, which is probably why I'm less inclined to think well of Wrath in general. Ulduar was excellent, and we managed to reform as a 10-man raiding guild... only for Ulduar to die before its time as it was superseded by TotC; the worst raid instance in the history of the game but with much better loot for far less effort. Cue guild collapse nr. 2. ICC finally I would rate as okay to good, depending on the boss, where generally the end-of-wing bosses were the latter and the rest the former.

Agreed

I was born in 2000 and i grew up around WoW and Wrath was were I started

MoP is when they added the new talent system and ruined all classes

Kaplan yes, Ghostcrawler no.

@@DRourk Ghostcrawler was amazing at community interaction though. I remember actually having my questions answered on the forums by Ghostcrawler. That kind of communication is really missing in modern Blizzard. When he left, Blizzard became aloof and distant. You can't even ask Blizzard a question now, questions are screened and approved beforehand, even at Blizzcon.

I played a night elf druid in Wrath, so Shadowmourne meant squat to me. There was no equivalent polearm or staff. Now, I had a blast in Wrath, and ended up getting the top tier pvp weapon and gear. But they should not have locked the majority of the player base out of even the possibility of one day getting that sword.

@@mateomazar7153 Sure there are, BUT 98% of them are either pure shit or very low populated servers.

Warmane have 15k players everyday.

Brave Dragon yeah, I want to return again. Lol Just to RP and Quest because it’s been a year since I’ve last played.

But Taliesen and Evitel rank right up there with you. Tally has got the market on dry wit and quippy commentary cornered!

But are they multiplicative?

The Lick King? You mean Arfus?

Bolek Lolek - I mean LK

@@Golemoid Mr Owl is the Lick King - he knows how many it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop.

Who is the Lick King? The Lich King's perverted cousin?

World of Porncraft, The Lick King.

It was hailed as the casual easymode game by TBC enthusiasts.

I still kinda wish Arthas wasn't gone for good.

Oooohhh we'll get into that one!

@@Nightstalker314 TBC was for nerds. Very few people saw the end-game content.

I concur - I doubt Blizz is done with the LK.

That would be amazing! Keep the progression aspects from TBC in the game and Wrath would have been a better game. You start at the bottom and work your way up. Not only does it give you a sense of accomplishment and progression but it extends the life of your xpac because you have to go through every tier of raiding. TBC hit the progression system perfectly for an mmo.

I'm not too sure about that. More, maybe. Not really "slightly more", but not "a lot more".

BFA is only 1/5 through and ur comparing it to the totality of WOTLKs lifespan?

WotLK had a bit more at launch - two more zones, three or so more dungeons, a few more raids, etc. But that's largely cancelled out by the fact BfA zones are much larger and have more content in them, BfA dungeons have an extra progression mode, and most of the launch raids in Wrath were one boss or a slightly updated raid from Classic, while BfA's one raid (so far) has 8 bosses and was made from scratch. WotLK also had an extra zone in Wintergrasp, but that was more an outdoor BG with some profession materials. BfA compensates by having way more world content to do at max level. Honestly, I think they are basically the same, but BfA looks like it'll have as many zones (but bigger) as WotLK by 8.2's launch, and while there will be less raid bosses it should have just as many decently-sized raids. Though, honestly, I think more single-or-two boss raids at launch wouldn't hurt.

Objectively false. Was stuff more fun to do? Sure no doubt, but BFA has more stuff to do, and will have more overall based on what was revealed during Blizzcon.

How can you make the comparison of a full expansion and BFA hasn’t been out longer than 4 months?