As an IPSC / IPDA wannabe, I find these episodes extremely valuable. Instead of progressing through (expensive) mistakes an ignoramus like me can pick up the brains of this dynamic duo. I have already started to form an idea of how I can progressively customize an AR-15 platform for performing both long range precision shooting and IPSC ... chapeau to Karl and Ian ....

Ian looks like he taped a cardboard box to his chest then drew on a flag and called it good

So, which one of these do you recommend for my orange tipped airsoft rifle with an effective range of 20 meters?

Hey guys , Try the primary arms ACSS variable scopes , they have etched reticles as well as light like a red dot . I have it in the 1x6 . great scope !

Nice video editing as well! The switch to full screen with Ian at the end was a nice touch.

3:49 tactical stroller

Holy hell seems like Ian was on edge or pretty distracted overall. Karl you made it look so easy with all the junk on you too

I have a TR-24 with the green triangle reticle, and, I concur, it is highly analogous in function to a red dot with a magnifier.

"It's hard to shoot with just a scope." DON'T TELL ME HOW TO LIVE MY LIFE!

I love how you guys are both mega surplus nerds. Always wearing different gear, with other non-matching gear.

I would have loved to see you two swap rifles and really see what each of you think of both optics. I think that would present a more fair comparison of the two scopes.

You guys should try the primary arms with the ACSS reticle. Pretty crazy how good it is for holdovers at longer distances, but still decent up close.

this really comes down to how much you work on your weaknesses. They call it strong side - weak/support side for a reason. Train so you don't have to call them that.

I have never tried that Trijicon and defiantly not that retractile before. It is interesting. I have tried out that Vortex though, and I kind of liked it.

I've been waiting for you guys to get to these two...and really hoping you would! Let's see what you come up with.

Trying having the scope all the way zoomed in and mount it where it is need to meet the proper eye relief. Then when you zoom out you the eye relief will not be affected

Im hunting here in Europe and i have to say that trijicon AccuPoint has impressed me a lot.

think the Primary Arms 1-6 would be a good choice as it's very low cost and has good features.

The Vortex Viper was never in the running for me.....my choices came down to the Trijicon AccuPower 1-4, the USO TS6X, and the Steiner P4Xi. It was a hard choice, but ended up with the Steiner because I liked the reticle best. I did watch the USO rep hammer nails into a board with the TS which was very impressive, but the Heritage warranty on the Steiner gives a lot of confidence too. At 22 ounces the Vortex was out quick, although if I wanted to drop more $$$ then I'd look harder at the Vortex Razor. The end of my story is that I really love my Steiner, and the holiday deal of $499 was a real bonus.

Watching Karl move with all that added weight was hard. Shooting in full kit is suffering.

Viper PST Gen II 2-10x32 FFP because : 1) 2x is ok for short range (Fit an micro red dot offset if this bothers you) 2) FFP no reduction in eye box at higher mag 3) You need to be able to identify your target so 10x 4) See 3, so good for recc without other optics Leupold is spendy

You should have looked at the Steiner P4XI and Primary Arms GEN3 1-6X ACSS scopes. Both are less expensive options and the ACSS recticle is tough to beat.

What about the primary arms 1-8?

I know very well what forgetting the safety looks and feels like. I winced with sympathy when I saw Ian squeezing the trigger with it on.

I run a Leupold VXR Patrol 1-4 that is set up very similar to Ian's vortex. They are both good scopes, but the larger eye box is what lead me to the Leupold. On the reticule, I like the fire dot (a mil reticle with a small but bright illuminated dot in the center, very similar to the vortex) and it works well at any power, and even via the Bindon aiming concept if you get outside the eye box, but I find I would like a larger center aim point at 1x (perhaps a ring like Eotech) and more power at the top end when reaching out, past 200, or when shooting at small targets. I think a FFP 1-6 or 1-8 with a mill reticle inside a ring is just about the perfect solution. This gives you a usable, fine holdover reticle at high magnification, but collapses down to a large dot or Eotech like sight picture at 1x. Of course we are getting into some cash at that point.

Ian's shooting is getting better.

I went the WWMD (What Would Mickulek Do?) route on my optics choice on my 6.8 - Vortex Razor HD G2, with MIL/MIL. The eyebox and FOV is much better on the Razor HD line than the Viper, but performance comes at a price. The Razor HD's eyebox is the equal or best of any of its competitors. I actually like the SFP reticle because if you do any ranging on a 1 - xx it'll be at max mag and the reticle stays thin vs. target for better precision.

Karl is there a reason you went with triangle post rather than German crosshairs? BTW I picked up a Vortex Strike Eagle last year and have been a little disappointed to the point of looking to change. Interested to see how things pan out for you guys with these optics.

It would help if you used a handicap system (varying with the type of exercise) to bring the times of the two of you into closer alignment for comparison (in a systematic way rather than the ad hoc gut feel one I'm using now). Please note I intend this as a purely constructive suggestion, not as a criticism of anyone's level of ability. In fact, the handicap would be an excellent measure of personal progress which is the ultimate goal.

Love the vari optic vs red dot myself. I like using optic as red dot. My set up allows much more field of view. Size may not work for u guys. 56mm obj 30mm tube. 2.5x10 power. Batt red dot w crosshair. This set up let's u see way more field of view at 2.5x

You should have compared the Accupoint 1-6 and the vortex 1-6

Hi Karl. Would you say the pay gen 2 1-6 is duty ready?

Maybe my memory is getting fuzzy and you already explained it, but what was the thought process that excluded a TA31? If eye relief is the issue, why not the TA33? Magnification feels like there's diminishing returns much above 4x for me.

I had a Vortex Diamond back which is a hunting rifle scope. I had it on my .35 Whelan and after firing 8 shots out of the rifle sighting it in. Then doing some fine tuning the cross hairs broke I sent it back to Vortex and they sent me another. Back to the range with the same rifle and after 10 shots the same thing happened again after that I sent that one back and asked for my money back. It took some arguing but they finally refunded my money. But I'll never deal with Vortex again.

What kind of camera was this video shot with? Video quality is awesome.

What plate carrier is Ian wearing?

But what jacket is Karl wearing? Fit is on point

Are y'all considering the elcan specter in this test?

The 3 prong flash hider from Faxon on Karl's rifle has a tuning fork sounding ring to it every time he fires. Is it noticeable while shooting, for the shooter and bystanders? Or is it only noticeable on camera? To me, it would be annoying as hell, and I would only consider this product if the ring is only noticeable on camera and not in person. my .02 great videos and content as always, thank you.

I run a 1.5-4x Leopold BDM with a quick detach mount so I can get to my irons quick. I don't like the 1.5-4x for much beyond 150m, and at 100m it's not a match gun for certain. I call it a "parking lot" rifle because the 1.5-4x just doesn't do the 5.56 justice beyond those ranges. And if I was going to do it again I'd go with a true 1-4x, no 1.5x as a base. I'm missing out on being able to keep both eyes open at close range when I'm @1.5x, it just isn't natural. Picking apart a target with precision inside of 100m with the 1.5-4x is not a problem at all. But beyond 100m the shooting slows down a lot.

I went with a Leupold 1-4x20 scope for my light weight AR build, ok but lacking out past 400 yards. Think I need 6 to 8x for 500 yard shots.

Did you guys have a look at the eotech vuduu ? For the cqb rifle, That eotech reticle is great !

Wait your suppose to put a rifle on the optic? That probably explains why my groups are so bad.

You all should check out the primary arms 1-8 acss platinum.

Should have gotten the Steiner p4xi. Better glass than both and it has a daylight bright reticle similar to the Razor 1-6.

Just curious what other scopes you guys considered. I've been very interested in the Leupold VX II 1-4x it's just so light, while not illuminated their Hog Hunter is.

Weaver classic 1-3x It’s a true 1x and has no hash or markings. It’s superb clarity. Better than the vortex 1-6 (Own both) only 10oz

Did you use the slings to stabilize the guns in this match? Im currious how those work in real life (rifle matches)

Looking extra tactical today lol

Karl, is that a Gorka you are wearing in this video? If so, I, and I'm sure others, would be interested in seeing a review.

I just want to express how much I appreciate that you do not say 'lee-u-pold' like the vast majority of nitwits on youtube.

seeing Ian shooting with his right side is the most cursed thing I’ve ever seen

Sounds like you have the specialized rifle game nailed down. As for all around rifle. Is there any reason youre not using a scope with lines, and 45 degree offset red dot? Best of both worlds, with little extra weight. Should be no issue, with your super light host rifle. And what about a 2 man team competition for specialized rifles? One man shoots the close range course. One shoots the long range. Add the scores together. Just a thought from a newbie.

What. Drum mags? I thought those were supposed to be unreliable. And these look small capacity, so marginally pointless anyway? I guess just to not interfere when you know you'll be going fully prone on flat ground, as in this stage here? Perhaps everyone else already knows about these considerations, and I'm just ignorant. Or perhaps small drum-mags are an unappreciated modern breakthrough, that you'll tell us all about in an upcoming review?

That trijicon is a variable SUSAT then

damm sick getup karl

Did you try some european optics like Zeiss, Swarovski, Leica,...?

I shot the Vortex Strike Eagle 1-8 and the exit pupil must have been the diameter of a wormhole. Big disadvantage of the more budget friendly Vortex optics from what I have experienced.

Out of curiosity how about Elcan???

Are you just testing the D60? Doesn't seem like the round count of the stage required it.

Karl's rifle firing really messes with my tinnitus. Not just in this video either.

I know it's not the topic of the video, but that's a cool plate carrier Karl has, who makes it?

Might I suggest a 4x ACOG....BTW, good shooting Ian!

With the trijicon it requires a little Kentucky windage at range

How long does it take to acquire and engage the target dam man🤦🏾‍♂️🤣

I like your costumes

ELCAN Specter DR 1-4 ???

You should try a 1-4 accupower.

Holosun with an inexpensive magnifier? Any ideas?

You should've considered the Leupold Mark AR Mod 1 1-4x scope. It's 5oz lighter than the Trijicon

Why does it seem that they always start on "stage 3"?

Accupoint 1-6?

review the gorka suit pls

What's that string between you two?

4:50 Ian trying to cheat

Obligatory "what PC is karl wearing?" Comment

$1000 optic seriously?

Press "F" to pay respects to gun rights.

Gun Jesus and Karl "marks" You know I was surprised to find out that Karl Marx supported people owning guns.

WTF are y'all wearing?

2 totally different shooters. This video didn't prove anything

Doing an optics test and you shoot off handed. Stupid thing to do.

I'd really like to hear you guys talk about field of view on these little 1+ scopes. Been looking at getting one for a while but haven't been able to find someone talking about the small objective lens and what that means for FOV etc. I'd really appreciate hearing about how it plays out in a dynamic setting.

What plate carrier is Ian wearing?