WATCH: Opening statements delivered in trial of mom of Oxford shooter

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WXYZ-TV Detroit | Channel 7

5 ай бұрын

Attorneys delivered opening statements in the trial for Jennifer Crumbley, mother of the Oxford High School shooter.

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@darrellscott2483 5 ай бұрын

Possibly the worst opening statement by a defense attorney of all time

@nattycasper2022 5 ай бұрын

yeah... really bad

@dianeaustin2414 5 ай бұрын

Perhaps not worse openings but Chandler Halderson defense closing was a whopping fail...

@Bunny-ur8fd 5 ай бұрын

A band aid?! She is out of her damn mind.

@ecalose6785 5 ай бұрын

Taylor Swift and boo boo in the same sentence. She’s Insulting the jury!

@Bunny-ur8fd 5 ай бұрын

@@ecalose6785 omg she is insulting all of humanity! Hoping Jennifer isn’t smart enough to know she could claim incompetence of counsel

@Therapistmind 5 ай бұрын

Her defense attorney is a whiny irritating “lawyer”

@katherinepegg2867 5 ай бұрын

i don't think irritating is the correct word, i think unprofessional is more suited

@jbt8922 5 ай бұрын

Our constitution gives any American the right to defend themselves regardless even if they have done something horrible. This is the way our legal system works.

@pjnix5618 5 ай бұрын

Chick defense atty is total mess.

@bronte333 5 ай бұрын

@@jbt8922it's already clear she is unprofessional and out of her depth...see her strange crying episode.

@yellowsubmarine7073 5 ай бұрын

@@bronte333where can we see her cry?

@HelloUser1 5 ай бұрын

If your lawyer starts off by quoting Taylor Swift, you chose poorly.

@ecalose6785 5 ай бұрын

Jesus!

@dknapp100 5 ай бұрын

@@ecalose6785 He is likely a better entity to quote.

@sherrimignot4369 5 ай бұрын

"We won't call him by name. We will call him the shooter." Then she proceeds to call him by name over and over!

@nicaksoto 5 ай бұрын

And she has already made that mistake a number of times in a past hearing for this case! 🙄 And she was advised about it already!

@user-li5jp4qe4j 5 ай бұрын

I think it's on purpose. She wants the jury to see him as the moms little boy that she loved and wanted to protect. It's BS

@manonpytln 5 ай бұрын

@@user-li5jp4qe4jyep she did on purpose she’s trying to show the jury his human size and same for the mom

@dk237 5 ай бұрын

The defense attorneys opening statement was infuriating .. making the mother out to be a saint. Also..bandaids, boo boos and Taylor Swift should never be words used in an opening statement. 😬🙄😵‍💫

@justthatgirl-ct4jo 5 ай бұрын

She's legit a bad attorney and I'm not saying that because she's defending the mom. She is just legitimately terrible at her job. If this woman were innocent, she'd be convicted regardless.

@michael-7240 5 ай бұрын

Absolutely crazy stupid to buy this 15 year old kid a gun

@user-rx162r 5 ай бұрын

What are you talking about?

@twright420 5 ай бұрын

@user-rx1lf1ng stop playing crazy. You read it...

@user-rx162r 5 ай бұрын

@@twright420 Why? Don't most kids have guns?

@twright420 5 ай бұрын

@user-rx1lf1ng yea but most parents don't buy their kids' guns. Hell, inner city parents, especially mothers, try their hardest to keeo the guns away because they dont want to lose their child...we'll at least the ones that care. This mother didn't seem too.

@user-rx162r 5 ай бұрын

@@twright420 But buying the guns isnt really the issue its failing to remove them when the kid becomes violent. In which case you have to hold most black families criminally accountable. They know their kids are brooding, listening to murder ballads, and dressing in gang outfits--but they dont call law enforcement or impose discipline.

@angelirohival6270 5 ай бұрын

If you are a professional, experienced defense attorney, and you quote a Taylor Swift song, oh, boy. If I was the defendant, I know I’d be in trouble!

@tigerlily9981 5 ай бұрын

And a horrific line to use when there are dead children involved. My god. Tone deaf.

@stashiatracy 5 ай бұрын

Taylor Swift would like to be excluded from this narrative… insane opening line by a defense attorney. Seriously?

@georgiekate589 5 ай бұрын

Agreed - at best, it sounds like an undergraduate essay and at worst it's just plain childish

@paulasays3116 5 ай бұрын

I thought the same thing, and I cringed hard. If I were on the jury I think I’d immediately be skeptical of this attorney.

@user-li5jp4qe4j 5 ай бұрын

Right?! If there's even 1 swiftie on that jury it's done

@tomstiel7576 5 ай бұрын

it is referred to as grasping at straws

@Pippie807 5 ай бұрын

Lawsuit for Taylor Swift.

@declan92100 5 ай бұрын

So it was the schools fault for not telling Jennifer her son is a psycopath? Not her fault for buying him a gun, teaching him how to shoot and refusing to take him home from school the day of the shooting. The parents literally had the chance to stop 4 murders by saying yeah he has access to a gun and this is disturbing lets take him home and talk to a professional

@asyablake 5 ай бұрын

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

@melissafriel5311 5 ай бұрын

The school did try to tell her

@declan92100 5 ай бұрын

@@melissafriel5311 I know, im responding to the defence attorneys statement passing blame on to the school

@ruthmyers2397 5 ай бұрын

Why on earth would possess a patent to buy a gun for their kid?? Did they think it was for duck hunting.??!! If ur child tells u or someone he sees demons, then u take him to a Dr for mental health.. not buy him a gun. 4 person s were killed bc of ut

@ecalose6785 5 ай бұрын

They didn’t even check his backpack at mtg just like his room was a pigsty so she didn’t see the birds head in a jar. If that’s not enuf, a birds head, to raise HUGE alarms! Then they’re guilty.

@sammym3028 5 ай бұрын

Maybe take to a counselor instead of the gun range

@StellaFl 5 ай бұрын

The defense attorney did her client no favors by lying. "Loved her son more than anything else in the world"???? The evidence will show she didn't give a rat's behind for him and that will come back and bite her youknowwhere.

@Kay__Tee 5 ай бұрын

Ikr? Didn’t love him more than her horses

@elizabethantoine9652 5 ай бұрын

@@Kay__Tee Just going to say that! loved weed more too Damn she gained some weight huh prison food full of SALT

@karenpayne2583 5 ай бұрын

Raising 2 children I learned that until they turn 18 the parent is responsible for that child. If more parents were charged when these shootings happen the “responsible gun owner” would make sure that their firearms were secured and their children can’t access them.

@ChristaFree 5 ай бұрын

That is ignorant af. So, if your, let's say 15 yr old went into a store and stole something that would make you guilty? If they got into a fight you'd be in trouble? It's bs. You did a piss poor job raising your children if you taught them they aren't responsible accountable for their own actions. I may not be impressed with the parents but unless they put the gun in his hands and told him to go shoot people they're not responsible for his shooting people. They may be guilty of a lot of other things but not that. You talk about raising 2 kids but I doubt you did, or they're not teenagers yet. Anyone who have had teenagers wouldn't say anything so dumb. I've actually raised 4 children to the age of majority and beyond. I've wrestled around the front yard with one over a phone, literally. I've brought out a belt too many times to count. I also taught all my kids to shoot a firearm and have respect for one. I taught my children to be respectful of other people and to love God and to me his people, but take any crap. My children are all successful and respectful. Your logic is off, immature, at best. I think you're lying about how old you're kids are though lol.

@AtheosTheAtheist 5 ай бұрын

As a gun owner and strong 2nd amendment proponent, I agree. The first responsability of the right of the 2nd Amendment is that your weapons are secured.

@muthaship2992 5 ай бұрын

N they knew their boy wasn’t right in the head

@PQV-8898 5 ай бұрын

You don't have to have children to know that. Lol.

@user-fg5jf4mi6h 5 ай бұрын

Exactly!

@CandiceMichelle4 5 ай бұрын

Trying to pretend his mother was caring and loving is complete trash. She ignored her troubled son and failed to get him the help he desperately needed.

@lionsfan7500 5 ай бұрын

Absolutely, she was called in the school that morning and because of her wanting to race back to work instead of being a mother then a awful tragedy happened.

@jamiestump6661 5 ай бұрын

Exactly! Why pay attention when they can just buy him stuff?

@user-zp9br7jk9k 5 ай бұрын

they're blaming the school for not telling her about her own son. maybe pay attention to your child.

@ellendickey4769 5 ай бұрын

@@user-zp9br7jk9k- Just read today about a French 9 yr. old who was left alone for 2 years when his mother moved in with her boyfriend. He continued to go to school. “He was a good student.” No one suspected. Oh! The mom visited occasionally, but not often.

@ashleymarie3088 5 ай бұрын

Exactly! He was 15!!! It was his parents responsibility to pay attention to there troubled son and get him help instead they laughed, ignored him and left him alone ALL THE TIME! BOTH ARE AT FAULT AND ARE GUILTY AS CHARGED! SAVE THE TEARS BECAUSE IT WAS ALL FUNNY AND GAMES BEFORE NOW LOOK AT U! BAD PARENTS! THIS IS WHAT BAD PARENTS LOOK LIKE THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO DONT DESERVE TO HAVE CHILDREN!

@user-dm6jy5jr9o 5 ай бұрын

Defense’s opening is giving pageant contestant talking about world peace vibes

@CrystalBella 5 ай бұрын

you nailed it omg, so true

@ellendickey4769 5 ай бұрын

Good description!

@tigerlily9981 5 ай бұрын

“I personally believe…that some people out there….don’t have maps”

@brendaweber2124 5 ай бұрын

For me, it's plain and simple: they gave an underaged kid a gun as a gift. Illegal! Should be prosecuted at minimum for that.

@asyablake 5 ай бұрын

💯

@Aaron-cz5tz 5 ай бұрын

I was gifted a .22 long rifle as a kid and I don’t think that was illegal.

@brendaweber2124 5 ай бұрын

@Aaron-cz5tz Your opinion doesn't make it lawful... what does the law say? There are rules around gun ownership for a reason.

@bonnierasmussen2837 5 ай бұрын

I just don't understand why she didn't take her son home. It never would of occurred to me that my son would shoot up a school, but I would have been so scared for his mental health. My son who didn't have the issues her son had. My son had friends, a girlfriend, and a job.

@Jazlin92665 5 ай бұрын

@@Aaron-cz5tzwhat is your point.? The legal age to own a handgun in Mississippi is 18 years old. It should have never been bought FOR HIM no matter who’s name it was in.

@slconley 5 ай бұрын

Taylor Swift would be embarrassed at the defense attorneys song reference.

@clarenceconq23 5 ай бұрын

Why would she be embarrassed? Taylor has nothing to do with this case.

@nycmermaid3158 5 ай бұрын

I did a very deep dive on this case at the time. Videos posted by the parents to their Facebook, showed a real sadistic streak. They filmed their “jokes” on Ethan, that were actually cruel, and we can see them laughing at him. On video. Ethan begged and begged his mother not to leave him home alone, that he was hearing voices and seeing things, and terrified. She continually refused, so she could stay out after work, regularly, until 9 or 10 at night, with her horse/s or having an affair. I submit, that ANY parent learning that their child is having visual and auditory hallucinations, would immediately seek psychological care for that child. There is recorded evidence, in texting between Ethan and his Mother, that This went on for YEARS! The parents were aware that Ethan had hurt animals. That his only friend had recently moved away, And that his beloved grandmother had recently died. And THEN after ALL of this, (and certainly much, much more that I am not aware of,) she bought her son a gun!!! Never informing the school when she was called in to view his drawings showing shooting people, etc. She Refused to take Ethan home with her that very day of the shooting! Her neglect has been PROFOUND, FOR YEARS!!! if she didn’t know, it’s because she paid no attention to him, pushed Ethan and his needs aside, FOR YEARS!!! And then she and her husband abandoned Ethan, and attempted to run from law enforcement. They were found one mile from the border of Canada. It is a revolting dereliction of parental love, care and duty, not just that day, but over time.

@luckewoman0348 5 ай бұрын

I've been following closely as well...and might I add evidence of his parents giving him a Xanax to sleep or whatever to try to shut him up. It is hard to imagine holding a parent responsible for a 15 year old acting out but these parents were so grossly negligent....and so selfish....I really hope he doesn't testify in any effort to lessen their culpability. They loved and cared for their horses far more than their son.

@nicaksoto 5 ай бұрын

Yes! I have followed all hearings and evidence closely too. These parents were grossly negligent.

@Fee212 5 ай бұрын

@nycmermaid Thank you for your research in this matter. It is extremely distressing to know of her wanton cruelty and neglect.

@SuperVilchis1 5 ай бұрын

Excellent analysis.

@Elizabethvaughan1 5 ай бұрын

Unfortunately the jury can’t know all of this .

@estalocaconnie 5 ай бұрын

This defense attorney is an embarrassment to the legal profession. Her opening statement is insulting. She basically won the case for the prosecution with that statement. I suppose we should actually be thanking her.

@barbaramiller2279 5 ай бұрын

This defense attorney is so obnoxious. So ridiculous. This isn't about sending a message to gun owners. It's to send a message to parents who KNOW that their child has serious mental health issues and ignores them. To say this mother had no idea what was going on with her son is ridiculous. Who is giving this testimony that the school never said anything to the parents? I call bullshyte.

@supriseimblack 5 ай бұрын

Name 15 defense attorneys that you liked

@asyablake 5 ай бұрын

💯💯💯💯💯

@bryanx0317 5 ай бұрын

@@supriseimblack oh c'mon these tests are usually 10 😂

@supriseimblack 5 ай бұрын

I'm waiting. Y'all just hate and are biased against defense attorneys. I've been watching these trials for over 7 years. I've watched over 200 trials. Defense attorneys are constitutional and human rights war heroes. If you knew how evil persecutors offices are, you would probably join the force....

@msdarby515 5 ай бұрын

If the school was so informed on his mental status, why did they allow him to remain in school the day of the shooting? I call bullshyte.

@natalieclark5819 5 ай бұрын

The defense attorney is hoping the jurors don't understand logic. Her arguments are awful, no matter where you stand on this matter.

@geekfreak618 5 ай бұрын

Not worth her shoulder pads for sure. LOL Doesn't realize the opening is sort of a summary of intent. Some vids here talking about some of her meltdowns are interesting.

@mackmckay588 5 ай бұрын

The defense siding Taylor Swift and also noting that this was simply a boo-boo just like your child comes to you with a boo-boo. The defense attorney is appealing to I guess what is the mentality of citizens now that they can listen to such ridiculous arguments by a defense attorney it's pathetic

@georgiekate589 5 ай бұрын

Absolutely agree

@arizonadreaming4183 5 ай бұрын

Disrespectful to all the families

@shirleywilliams5877 5 ай бұрын

I laughed out loud when the defense attorney said "show" instead of "trial" in her opening statement! Did anyone else catch that?

@Mscalberts 5 ай бұрын

Yes! 😮😂 OMG! Almost right after she mentions TS🤦!

@janetdurkee8527 5 ай бұрын

She combined what is typically said in opening, “the evidence will show…” She is a newbie and very nervous- and she did not practice

@ashleypg1708 5 ай бұрын

@@janetdurkee8527she is NOT a newbie. She has been around a long time. She's just ridiculous.

@jamiestump6661 5 ай бұрын

Stop blaming the school! They should have paid more appropriate attention to their child.

@natalieclark5819 5 ай бұрын

And, even if the school shares some liability, that doesn't remove the parents' responsibilities.

@elizabethantoine9652 5 ай бұрын

exactly that is what alot of parents do let the school raise their kid

@vjc1902 5 ай бұрын

The ole pass the buck defense. Sad days we live in when a school has to ask parents, " Does your kid own a gun?"

@djs5958 5 ай бұрын

This defense attorney is absolutely awful. 🤦‍♀️

@PilatesbyGina 5 ай бұрын

This defense attorney is an absolute clown. How did she pass her bar?

@Kk-jz5ti 5 ай бұрын

Wow….. A lightbulb turned on for this lawyer after hearing a Taylor Swift song. OMG what is our world coming to?😮

@Adara007 5 ай бұрын

That was absurd and came across as cringeworthy and a ridiculous attempt to be relatable to the jury 🙄

@HereForTheComments990 5 ай бұрын

Really? That’s what got you upset enough to write a comment? Not neglectful parents who enabled the murder of 5 kids? A Taylor Swift song is what inverts your dick? Ok.

@HereForTheComments990 5 ай бұрын

Really? That’s what got you mad enough to leave a comment? Not the fact that two egregiously neglectful parents enabled the murder of 4 kids? Taylor Swift is the real tragedy here? Ok. Wow.

@Kk-jz5ti 5 ай бұрын

@@HereForTheComments990 who hurt you?..nobody’s mad just you. And heck yeah I’d be mad at my lawyer if she came up with that open line.

@jillyg931 5 ай бұрын

I think the opening line was ATROCIOUS, but to be fair to Swift (I'm not a swiftie), she is an amazing song writer/ lyricist. Much of Her lyrics are thought provoking & layered. At least the older she's gotten, the more complex they've become.

@belladrome 5 ай бұрын

I already hate the defense team

@lorrainemartinez3050 5 ай бұрын

This jury will not believe this defense this defense lawyer is horrible!!! She is convicting her own client

@lauralee7281 5 ай бұрын

No she didn’t just quote Taylor Swift 🤣🤣🤣OMG the defense is absolutely laughable 😂😂😂

@elizabethantoine9652 5 ай бұрын

YUP she quoted Taylor Swift. The judge literally had to hold her laughter

@sandrahossman2089 5 ай бұрын

I thought his parents cared more about their horses than their child. I guess if you spend zero time with your child, don't listen when he asked to see a doctor because he was hallucinating. This Def. ATT keeps talking about silvers of time, but ge was left home alone every night when he struggled without his friend.

@amygasen 5 ай бұрын

Why did the parents run and hide, initially after finding out about son.

@irishmarie9892 5 ай бұрын

Not only that…they cashed out their kid’s bank account. Crazy.

@christianbarboza1074 5 ай бұрын

The defense is ridiculous.

@supriseimblack 5 ай бұрын

You're a blowhard

@dudemorris7769 5 ай бұрын

How so? Tell us without telling us that you’ve never sat on a jury or know what “innocent until proven guilty is” under the constitution of the United States. Oh, you don’t live in the USA, makes sense.

@supriseimblack 5 ай бұрын

@@dudemorris7769 Christian lives in Iran but he's only studying there. He's actually a native North Korean. Where they don't have defense attorneys. Forgive his ignorance. Many people find freedom offensive...

@declan92100 5 ай бұрын

The defense makes absolutely no sense. So Jennifer was just called into the school about her sons concerning behaviour, then hears there is a shooting at the school and was worried Ethan could be hurt ? Then all of a sudden when she hears the gun is missing from home she figures oh he's just shooting in the air. "Never crossed her mind he would ever shoot another person"

@astrammd 5 ай бұрын

Yes! Defense went too far there, got totally irrational.

@PilatesbyGina 5 ай бұрын

I have two teens. I have known lots of moms who ignore the bad behavior their kids have shown and even go so far as to blame others. It is absolutely disgusting to see in real life. So hearing that? Knowing she got a call from the school about her son? And they did nothing? Ok. Yeah. The more I hear the facts about this case the more I see why the DA charged the mother w manslaughter. Talk about putting your head in the sand.

@janetrogers4738 5 ай бұрын

Yes evidence needs to be seen so public and parents can see what this mom and dad's neglect and putting a gun in his hand.

@LinTrueCrimeProject 5 ай бұрын

@@PilatesbyGina are you ready to go to jail for your son's criminal charges? Answer honestly.

@baconbacon3967 5 ай бұрын

@@LinTrueCrimeProject - Excellent question!! Imagine if ALL the parents of minors who commit terrible crimes were to spend time in prison too? Wow! Not so sure how I feel about that. 50/50

@FrostByte_AC 5 ай бұрын

That Taylor Swift line should get that lady automatically disbarred. Wtf?!

@Tmc513 5 ай бұрын

To quote another Lyric “ She’s a giggle at a funeral “. That’s exactly how the defense came across

@declan92100 5 ай бұрын

"Jennifer Crumbley did the best she could as a mother and had no way to know what was going to happen" Yeah except when she bought her troubled child a gun, then gets school called into the school to remove him but refused. She needs life without parole

@stevenprice6957 5 ай бұрын

So she should get life. What about the professional who sat with her and evaluated this picture that the son wrote ? What about the school? What happens next? Your son comes home drunk and you tell him off and send him to bed and he gets up takes your car keys and kills 4 people driving your BMW into a car? Does that mean you get life also as you allowed this to happen. Opening up a can of worms and all parents better start worrying as who knows what their child is capable of.

@declan92100 5 ай бұрын

@@stevenprice6957 The charge is involuntary manslaughter. And as Ethan''s mother she had all the context around the disturbing picture that the school didn't. Did the counsellor buy Jennifers underage son a gun? No, she did. She also left it unlocked and unsecured? She also had the context around the drawing to say "hey i just bought him the gun he drew 4 days ago" No she didn't mention it to the school. GUILTY

@declan92100 5 ай бұрын

@@stevenprice6957 Also what a weird analogy.. If i bought my unlicensed underage son a car and let him drive it while drunk 100% i should be held responsible. ETHAN SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD A GUN. Also he should have been removed from the school by Jennifer when requested

@stevenprice6957 5 ай бұрын

@@declan92100 no he stole the car from your driveway. He came home drunk and you didn’t lock the keys away as you never thought he would get up later in the night and plié through people killing them. Not sure why it’s weird. So I say you are going down for that and putting up manslaughter charges on you? How you taking that? What I’m saying is this is opening up all possibilities. This isn’t a one off event. Children do bad things and parents have never been perfect. With those last 2 scenarios happening at the same time then anything is possible for what any parent could go down for.

@declan92100 5 ай бұрын

@@stevenprice6957 You're slow. He was underage and shouldn't have had the gun. (or car according to your analogy) Further she had the chance to remove him from the school and refused. GUILTY

@RickOshay... 5 ай бұрын

Defense atty. is very annoying...

@Jenn-mx4nv 5 ай бұрын

Is this defense attorney for real?

@elizabethantoine9652 5 ай бұрын

along with a bad hair day and some harsh makeup, while her suit is nice, she is all fake

@declan92100 5 ай бұрын

Why does the defense attorney keep alternating from calling Ethan Jennifer's son, and then in the next sentence referring to him as "the shooter"

@shannongalloway9500 5 ай бұрын

Possibly to pull at heart strings. Ie he is her son. Her baby boy. More human

@Kay__Tee 5 ай бұрын

There was a pretrial decision by the judge to exclude his name.

@nicaksoto 5 ай бұрын

Because she keeps forgetting 🙄 she’s ONLY supposed to refer to him as “the shooter” in this trial. She has already made this mistake in prior hearings too.

@luckewoman0348 5 ай бұрын

Distancing Ethan from his actions....thereby distancing Jennifer.. Jennifer has a son named Ethan but the shooter almost sounds like a separate entity.

@declan92100 5 ай бұрын

@@nicaksoto She called him Ethan, Jennifers son and the shooter. She's confusing herself at this point

@bohoxplorer840 5 ай бұрын

OMG give an POKER FACE award to the judge cause I'm sitting her shaking my head rooling my eyes at the Defences opening statement...god gawd what a farce of a defence..

@elizabethantoine9652 5 ай бұрын

She held it out tho. she wanted to laugh so bad. like the judges face says what we are all thinking: GTFOH

@garethboyd8580 5 ай бұрын

Damn right! The defense must be attempting to bait the judge into a mistrial. You’re the defense for one of the most important cases in 5-10 years and your opening statement is “I played Taylor Swift on the way here this morning and it really spoke to me, so that’s what I’m basing my argument around”. Is the defense maybe actively acting like a young high school kid to elicit some sort of empathy? That would be a bold move Cotton..

@user-li5jp4qe4j 5 ай бұрын

Taylor swift reference wasn't a good idea

@Adallace 5 ай бұрын

I understand the defense is just doing their job as they should, but it's pretty disgusting of them to claim that this case is about sending a message to gun owners.

@Kay__Tee 5 ай бұрын

Defense is terribly unprofessional

@janetdurkee8527 5 ай бұрын

And calling the trial to hold her accountable, “a bandaid”.

@Elizabeth-rl8hi 5 ай бұрын

She's grasping at anything to try to make the pathetic mother innocent...good mother...NOT...that women could have cared less about him.

@LinTrueCrimeProject 5 ай бұрын

It is, and this puts a chill on having kids. Your degenerate overlords hit it twice.

@thefulchman 5 ай бұрын

This case is 100% about sending a message to gun-owning parents. If you don’t believe that’s true, you’re not a thinking person.

@janeabbotts 5 ай бұрын

It's a shame you can't be jailed for sheer stupidity. Who on earth would by a 15 year old a gun, not only stupid but irresponsible...imo.

@arizonadreaming4183 5 ай бұрын

Yes if denying a child that is begging for mental help, yet instead buy him guns, that are unlocked and free to use at any time. For a kid seeing demons in his room? Okay. Makes no sense.

@Fee212 5 ай бұрын

The mum IS responsible for what her son did. She ignored his teachers' letters and her own son's dark drawings and inward responses. She bought this boy the gun and went with him when he practiced.

@lesliesmith1103 5 ай бұрын

Jennifer did the best she could? What by ignoring her child and leaving him alone. It makes me disgusting that the defense is trying to paint her as a saint. They ignored that kid. This defense attorney is a piece of work.

@arizonadreaming4183 5 ай бұрын

Not only that, he was begging for help

@lesliesmith1103 5 ай бұрын

@@arizonadreaming4183 yes he did. Repeatedly

@lesliesmith1103 5 ай бұрын

@@Pkegksctt yep.

@dudemorris7769 5 ай бұрын

@@lesliesmith1103when was that? Where is that evidence at? I’ve watched the entire trial thus far & nothing to prove she knew any of this was going on at the time.

@lesliesmith1103 5 ай бұрын

@dudemorris7769 It will come out eventually. After this happened and defense was working on sons case before the plea, it came out. I believe it was a neighbor that repeatedly called Jennifer about their distraught son and in his writings.

@janetmcginn907 5 ай бұрын

Defence was dead in the water the second she referred to this case as a "boo boo". Albeit indirectly, It's still terrible

@corey5860 5 ай бұрын

Horrible “parents”. They need to spend the rest of their life in prison. This horrendous crime could have been prevented.

@elizabethantoine9652 5 ай бұрын

@@TruthOnly24 they are the parents and therefore they are a unit.. they both goin down

@Guyvermectin 5 ай бұрын

No it couldn’t Lmao

@declan92100 5 ай бұрын

Defence attonrey has already called him Ethan, Jennifers son and the shooter. She's confusing herself at this point

@PilatesbyGina 5 ай бұрын

Bottom line? No child needs a gun. No parent should ever give one to their child. How is this even a thing? 🤦🏻‍♀️😫🤬 Parents who are gun owners, our responsibility is to keep those weapons locked up in a gun safe and the ammo locked up separately. Our responsibility is to teach our children how to avoid getting hurt accidentally by guns in homes. Not allowing one to be pointed at you even if the other person claims it isn’t loaded. Never pointing a weapon at another person. Always treating a gun as if it is loaded. Etc etc etc No gun owners should have children in the home without gun safes. Period. This entire topic enrages me bc there are millions of good people who safely and responsibly own guns. Folks like the Crumbley’s need to be prosecuted. People. Stop allowing your weapons to be accessible to your children. Period. Otherwise sell them if you cannot afford a proper gun safe.

@user-rx162r 5 ай бұрын

Parents have given kids arms for thousands of years. It is a sign of trust and affection, and an initiation into manhood. It is no less dangerous than giving them a car. And yet, some teens should not be allowed cars either.

@PilatesbyGina 5 ай бұрын

@@user-rx162r I agree w your sentiments but in this country the laws are there for a reason now. Reasons like what occurred here. Shooting watermelons in a field in the country with your dad or going hunting for deer or rabbit w an adult is not the same as gifting a weapon to your 15 yo child just because. And even if a person does gift a gun to their child, it has to be locked up. Even from them. They aren’t old enough to have unfettered access to even their own gun at these ages. My own kids and their cousins have grown up using guns WITH their fathers. With them. Then the rifles are locked back up. Ammo locked up separately. Not tossed in the back of a damn trunk. And yeah, my bf in college had a gun rack in his truck🤦🏻‍♀️🙄but he didn’t use it unless he was on his family’s property to hunt. Never at college. So. Time and place. Right? This mom neglected her son in a bad way. She has to stand accountable.

@user-rx162r 5 ай бұрын

@@PilatesbyGina Dysgenics problems. Nobody in my family has committed a violent crime for 100+ years on both sides. The idea of having to lock up a gun or a wallet or anything is crazy

@PilatesbyGina 5 ай бұрын

@@user-rx162r not crazy. Responsible. Do you have kids? If not, this may not make any sense to you. I get that.

@user-rx162r 5 ай бұрын

@@PilatesbyGina You don't understand. Children in my family sit quietly and read books.

@shortnsexy1974 5 ай бұрын

This defense attorney threw me off with her opening statement.

@marlenegerdts7711 5 ай бұрын

The defense attorney was argumentative in her opening statement, which is not appropriate for an opening statement. That is what is done in the summation.

@Joslinemk171 5 ай бұрын

The defense attorneys opening statement, didn't stand a chance after the prosecutions. Taylor Swift? Really?....🙄

@lionsfan7500 5 ай бұрын

So the parents knew Ethan had some mental health problems and there is absolutely nothing wrong with having mental health issues and I suffer from severe depression myself. What I have a problem with is having a minor child facing mental health problems and having access to his gun. The gun was not locked up and he had totally access to the gun and ammunition and no child should have access to a gun with problems or not, and that's exactly involuntary manslaughter and I don't see this being a problem for the prosecution at all.

@LucasMoore88 5 ай бұрын

I went through that too. I had severe depression along with a few other mental health issues that were undiagnosed at the time and was suicidal. Not to mention was bullied and had major problems at home. I got access to my parents guns a few times. I found a handgun in my dads closet my mom found me with it. And another time I was being bullied and harassed and got the 30 odd 6 hunting rifle out and was waiting for her to show up at my house. My parents ended up chasing me around the room when they noticed I had it. So THEY did the bare minimum they noticed and stopped me what parents are SUPPOSED to do. They didn't condone nor ignore my behavior like on this case. 👊👊👊

@lionsfan7500 5 ай бұрын

@LucasMoore88 Hi Lucas I'm very sorry to read about you having depression and being bullied. Nobody should ever be bullied for having depression or any kind of problem. I thank you for sharing your story with all of us and that was very brave of you. I truly hope things get better for you and I'm rooting for you to get better and I will be praying for you too. 🙏 God Bless you!

@LucasMoore88 5 ай бұрын

@@lionsfan7500 Thank you. I've been doing much better the past 5 years or so. ❤ God Bless. :)

@kristyenricco9480 5 ай бұрын

Unreal defense attorney. How in the world is she an attorney? This show I’m sorry case. What an absolute embarrassment. She’s done with this attorney!!

@MidnightLawyer. 5 ай бұрын

How would you represent the defendant?

@dbee491 5 ай бұрын

How do you buy a child a gun,who has problems, mental snd goig to school and you dont know where the gun is!!! 😮 Yup your liable100 %

@Pippie807 5 ай бұрын

The defense attorney reminds me of a spoiled teenager that has temper tantrums. See the video where she cry’s and she flips someone off. She’s pathetic just like her client.

@luckewoman0348 5 ай бұрын

Video of Jennifer or her attorney? Lol I need details.

@Pippie807 5 ай бұрын

@@luckewoman0348 😂 her attorney although both of them are pathetic

@luckewoman0348 5 ай бұрын

@Pippie807 lol if I Google attorneys name will I find it? 😆

@Pippie807 5 ай бұрын

@@luckewoman0348 are you talking about her flipping someone off? It’s right after the video of the shooting.

@luckewoman0348 5 ай бұрын

@Pippie807 wait...in court? Are you thinking of Nikolas Cruz's attorney? She did that to media in the court room 🫠 Jennifer Crumbley's attorney is Shannon Smith she represented Larry Nassar the Olympic gymnastics therapist who sexually abused all his patients 🤢

@bluebluelectricblue 5 ай бұрын

Some parents take credit for positive things their children do but take no credit when they do something wrong.

@Holly-bm1sf 5 ай бұрын

But you have zero evidence that they haven’t ’taken credit.’ So I think you need to realize that you do not have all the facts to make such an accusation. Some people are completely clueless when it comes to mental health. Blame our health care and government for that. We need to increase emotional intelligence and improve mental health support before this gets better in our country. If there’s a will there’s a way, so guns or not, it’s going to continue until we start to get a hold of the mental health crisis we have.

@AlexB-pp7dc 5 ай бұрын

@@Holly-bm1sfagreed. From what I’ve seen so far I think the parents are wrongfully charged. Yes they bought him the gun but that’s not illegal. He was allowed to legally have the gun just not buy it. Yes a lot of times the parents play a major role in their outcomes of what their kids do but they didn’t go in a shoot up the school. My minds open to change but I don’t think the parents should have been in jail until now and throughout the case. Seems like the justice department just hates its own citizens when it comes to guns even if they didn’t break the law. Yes Ethan should never see the light of day or in my opinion put to death but they are going way too hard on the parents.

@LYVwithLYN 5 ай бұрын

This is not a good opening for the defense! Loving her son more than anything else can come back and bite her! She not believing, shock blah blah blah have nothing to do with her responsibility as an adult who knew that her 15 yr old has unlimited access to a gun. She had no idea that teenagers do stupid things, nor did she know to keep the gun locked away from a minor - guilty by the opening defense.

@sandraphillips7827 5 ай бұрын

No. Jurors are instructed that opening statements are NOT evidence and they can only consider what was put before them.

@ruthcornelsen8939 5 ай бұрын

Thumbs up to this lawyer this could have been avoided. He says it just as it is. Sooo sad may their souls rest in peace. They could have gone for help instead they bought him a gun😠

@dudemorris7769 5 ай бұрын

Yes had the counselor sent him home that day. That’s who should be on trial as they were alarmed, not the parents.

@jillionairess 5 ай бұрын

She developed the first sentence of her opening statement on the way in this morning? From a Taylor Swift song? YIKES.

@lauralee7281 5 ай бұрын

Right? What a dip sh*t 🤣 Maybe she knows the parents are guilty as sin and is trying to lose the case. One could wish. 😢

@Hokees66 5 ай бұрын

I agree - a very immature opening statement. It just got weaker from then on.

@janetdurkee8527 5 ай бұрын

Agreed- she is not prepared and it shows.

@janetdurkee8527 5 ай бұрын

There is a time limit- why does she get to go on and on and on

@kylerichards4939 5 ай бұрын

Poor kid had no chance of ever having a normal life.

@declan92100 5 ай бұрын

Ohhhh so they weren't fleeing they just withdrew all their money and were hiding in a carpark a state over for some privacy. Got it 😂

@kerryjones1508 5 ай бұрын

What a strange culture. When I was 15, I had a nice pen for Christmas.

@arizonadreaming4183 5 ай бұрын

I wouldn't even buy my son a laptop until he was 17 and this was before smartphones... Problem is parents like these think the Internet is okay. So much evil on there, not suitable for a loner who spends all his time in his bedroom. Then buys him a gun when she knows he's that way along with telling them he desperately needs help?

@escapegoat3673 5 ай бұрын

Ah! A fellow member of the PEN15 club

@Timmybabim 5 ай бұрын

The BS the defense is spewing is twisting my stomach in knots. The drawing and things Ethan wrote on that paper is the ONLY proof a normal parent needs to know their child needs help RIGHT NOW.

@tooldog5062 5 ай бұрын

ah but sweet lady you forget motive!! if you knew someone was going on a killing spree and they will most likely die, wouldn't you consider a nice juicy life insurance policy with you as the beneficiary? 2-3 million double for murder or death by suicide, now I'm not a psycho I'm just an old pastor but i know how clever people try to be, i dealt with a case where a man wanted his sister and he told her if she wouldn't surrender to his perverse desires he would go after one of his own daughters, and i had the police there as i had him and his sister in a meeting, he admitted and apologized to her then i had the officers come in and arrest him! that was 40 years ago, when they had to have proof,

@CrystalBella 5 ай бұрын

One day at Band Camp. I can't with this defence lawyer haha.

@bryanx0317 5 ай бұрын

Her lawyer has about the same maturity level as jennifer. She probably displays the same level of parenting

@janetdurkee8527 5 ай бұрын

The defendant is a terrible mother and never should have had kids. She needs to go to prison, maybe not for life but at least 20 years.

@arizonadreaming4183 5 ай бұрын

Think the most is 12 years w time served

@katiem6773 5 ай бұрын

Horrible parents who made serious bad choices. The case could send a message to parents to be more responsible with guns and their children. Lives would not have been lost should they made the decision that their son shouldn't have a gun. I don't know the gun laws in the US as I live in Canada but different decision could have had such different consequences.

@kimgessner5399 5 ай бұрын

ITS NOT THE SCHOOLS JOB TO TEACH YOU WHO YOUR OWN CHILD IS

@vjc1902 5 ай бұрын

The defense attorney is far too emotional. I think she's going to have a nervous breakdown before the trial is over. I hope she doesn't have access to any guns.

@kimduncan5593 5 ай бұрын

Defense Let’s blame the school! Shame on you.

@Green2Red2 5 ай бұрын

I wish Ethan could be called to testify. I don't think he'd say that his parents were so loving and caring and made him feel safe. This kids life was a massive cry for help.PS- What parents have "burner" phones??? WTH?

@sandrahossman2089 5 ай бұрын

What kind of parents leave their children alone every pm when he appeared to be having hallucinations. When called to school, they spent less than 15 min. At school with the counselor. Plus paid for themselves attorneys, the hell with their son. Sadly Ethan had zero love of parents, no friends and was left alone while experiencing mental health issues.

@Green2Red2 5 ай бұрын

@@sandrahossman2089 It's a shame they're only deciding (if) the parents contributed to his acts. They both should be charged with child abuse and extreme neglect. It requires a license to own a gun, or drive a car...but to birth a child, and be a parent ...no formal training whatsoever. 😔🤔

@Rtc6444 5 ай бұрын

The entire family is destroyed, separated and no chances of ever seeing each other again

@jeffanderson8384 5 ай бұрын

Much like the families who buried their loved ones. Three students - Madisyn Baldwin, age 17; Tate Myre, age 16; and Hana St. Juliana, age 14 - were killed at the scene, and eight other people were injured, including a teacher. Myre was reportedly shot while attempting to stop the gunman; he died in a police vehicle en route to the hospital. On December 1, a fourth student, 17-year-old Justin Shilling, died in the hospital from his injuries. At the time, this incident was the deadliest school shooting in the United States since the 2018 Santa Fe High School shooting.

@Rtc6444 5 ай бұрын

@@jeffanderson8384 there was also the Valentine’s Day 2018 MSD h S Parkland , Fl , those parents became activists such as Fred Gutenberg, Alex Montalto, Manuel Oliver

@The_shark213 5 ай бұрын

What a outstanding family...

@Aaron-cz5tz 5 ай бұрын

The defense attorney is so monotone and just reaching for excuses.

@whomadethewordword5035 5 ай бұрын

What a poor opening story and delivery by the defence.

@tonyx2802 5 ай бұрын

Lawyers ethical code of practice someone??? All of the defence lawyers hystrionics. Surely her behaviour is out of order...

@janetdurkee8527 5 ай бұрын

It is. But its up to the prosecution to move for a mistrial.

@LucasMoore88 5 ай бұрын

There is rules of ethics in court but as ridiculous as her argument is it does not by any means cross ay kind of ethics boundaries. She has the right to an avid defense. And tbh I have actually seen a lot worse defense opening statements. 😂😊

@LucasMoore88 5 ай бұрын

@@janetdurkee8527😂😂 There's no basis for a mistrial that's highly reaching.

@tayyh1a336 5 ай бұрын

Wow the beginning of the defenses opening statement… Taylor swift?! This lady makes no sense

@caroles5502 5 ай бұрын

OMG, the defense’s argument is so weak.

@tipsygypsy711 5 ай бұрын

Ugh the defense attorney.. this courtroom reminds me of a high school drama.

@muthaship2992 5 ай бұрын

Her atty just told us she knew he was seeing demons n worried when he was late. Oh she noticed a change in him.

@sunnin1671 5 ай бұрын

Defense attorney is very needy.

@100Mickl 5 ай бұрын

The hardship of buying burner phones ? What about parents of murdered kids by her son - the stress of losing their child - funeral costs etc Defence Lawyer is awful

@Jazlin92665 5 ай бұрын

I can’t watch or here anything about this case without getting teary eyed. I have a son and I ask him every week if anything is bothering him, if he needs to talk about anything… I’m always checking on his mental health just because.

@dudemorris7769 5 ай бұрын

Doesn’t mean that he’s telling you he’s mentally unstable as not one person does, not a child.

@kathiewool4292 5 ай бұрын

Can’t wait to see what defense has to say about draining the bank accounts and ran. And there it is. She excuses them of course.

@jlp0174 5 ай бұрын

So she's putting it on the husband?

@carencarlin4101 5 ай бұрын

She said Jennifer takes her son to urgent care for a mole on his back but his disturbing drawings and school letters, she does nothing. Give me a break 😡😡😡 Oh and let’s blame it all on her husband James 😳

@kelliroach5943 5 ай бұрын

This defense attorney is a bit dramatic. A sliver in the forest of trees. All I could think when she was moving like a tree was the line from Venom "Like a turd blowing in the wind"

@aloayekamir8268 5 ай бұрын

So is this defense hanging the blame on the husband for not locking up the gun? Smdh

@ashleypg1708 5 ай бұрын

Yet, this same attorney was screaming the gun was locked up at the very beginning.

@sirvilhelmofyonderland 5 ай бұрын

Convict Jennifer and James Crumbley

@cheesy124entertainment7 5 ай бұрын

I can tell right off the bat that the defense attorney for the shooter's mother on trial came unprepared for her opening statement for the jury. She first opens up listening to a Taylor Swift song in her car before arrival and mentions a lyrical message about, "Band-Aids in Bullet Holes" that relates to this trial?! And almost throughout her opening testimony, she mentions that lyrical piece of Swift's as means to remember the victims who were shot to death just a week after Thanksgiving at that high school. What a disgrace😠😡👿😤

@LASpsycho 5 ай бұрын

The fact that the mom has her attorney calling her son "THE SHOOTER" says it all - GUILTY

@ReebaD 5 ай бұрын

Look I love Taylor swift as much as the next white woman but please don’t quote her in your opening statement for a school shooting trial what are you doing ma’am

@ashleypg1708 5 ай бұрын

The second she said that, I almost thought I had to mute her. The cringe is unreal. It's in such bad taste. Taylor Mother-effing Swift in her opening of a cruel, negligent mother of a mass shooter...is this woman for real??

@arizonadreaming4183 5 ай бұрын

@@ashleypg1708unprofessional

@destroyingtheworksofthedev9349 5 ай бұрын

the defense attorney did not greet the jury nor did she thank them. idk a lot, but I think that is proper to at least address the jury.

@hummingbirdess8763 5 ай бұрын

I personally am glad they are holding parents responsible for the acts of their child. Too many parents turn a blind eye because they don’t want to be bothered. It is your responsibility to raise your child to a responsible adult. If you don’t want that responsibility, don't have a child!

@robinette64 5 ай бұрын

Her explanation for “Ethan don’t do it” is unbelievably stupid, even for a professional attorney quoting Taylor Swift.

@vickywatson3542 5 ай бұрын

They are worthless uncaring parents

@sandraphillips7827 5 ай бұрын

Vicky, I would submit these parents are like a majority of parents. Their deficiencies showed up in a horrific way. Far too many parents are concerned about things, giving their kiddos stuff to compensate for their emotional absence. Treating kids as their equals. Not abiding anyone to correct their babies. Look at her. She’s more like you all than you can imagine.

@garethboyd8580 5 ай бұрын

If your opening statement includes the phrase: “(My client) left the shooter at the school”. Well, you’re a piss poor defense attorney.

@garethboyd8580 5 ай бұрын

Damn, the defense just gets worse as it goes along. Telling the court that your client was found while laying on a mattress after trying to actively conceal their cellphone records and their wealth is not a good opening statement. Especially when your basis of your defense is that your client was effectively too stupid to figure out that their kid with mental health issues shouldn’t have open access to a gun that your client gifted them!

@macjuiceplussharesmiller4379 5 ай бұрын

This defense attorney is pathetic.

@supriseimblack 5 ай бұрын

Then what does that make you!

@soholauren970 5 ай бұрын

Why didn’t the school demand for him to be taken home and see a mental health provider before being allowed to go back to school??!!! If the parents are charged the school should be as well. I just watched the whole video. The defense attorney is AWFUL. If she is found guilty she should get a new trial due to incompetent defense

@truecolors5669 5 ай бұрын

This defense attorney has some nerve and no sense.

@Jay-sm5ef 5 ай бұрын

Using Taylor Swift in a murder trial, WTF - absolutely no comparison - what a weird opening sentences. WTH 🤦‍♀️

@stephaniekramer1430 5 ай бұрын

It’s not about what could or couldn’t happen, it’s about being held accountable for your parental responsibilities of keeping your child safe and teaching them to be responsible and accountable. They didn’t do that. They have zero excuse to absolve them of their responsibilities for their child’s actions.

@dudemorris7769 5 ай бұрын

Neither have the hundreds of thousands of parents who have kids out her continuing to rob and carjack & then murder people & still are released to their parents. They aren’t going to find this woman guilty & or the husband. The school staff who called the parents should be on trial for not sending him home that day. If they follow the law, they won’t be able to find her guilty, & that’s the facts.

@stephaniekramer1430 5 ай бұрын

@@dudemorris7769 good points, though the circumstances in every case are different. Itis interesting to see the cases unfold. This case kind of reminds me of the “Affluenza” kid whose mother was tried for helping him escape, though not arrested for allowing their child to drink, drive and kill others. I guess you will be surprised if they are convicted and I will be surprised if they aren’t.

@christineb3719 5 ай бұрын

This defense lawyer is a 🤡. She couldn’t come up with a better opening statement than referencing a Taylor Swift song? I know that song and it makes zero sense why she is referring it. A band aid is a public “I’m so sorry” - this trial is so much more than that. This trial was absolutely foreseeable. This trial sets a much-needed precedent for parents and legal caretakers to be held legally accountable for the horrific actions of their children that are minors. @nycmermaid3158 couldn’t have articulated this tragedy any better. This mother and father need to become examples to society. The school representatives in the meeting that morning also also need to face serious charges. Enough is enough. Each of these individuals need to be held accountable for the part they played in this horrible tragedy. My family lives in Oxford and they had a child and numerous friends children attending that school on that day. Their PTSD is profound.