To each their own, mate.

Alcohol isn't fine, tho, it's ugly. In any event, Batman TAS has withstood the test of time better and even as they aired concurrently it was the better show.

I 100% agree @FatViking93

It has aged well but it's still noticeably aged sadly

Wolverine hasn't

I completely agree. It has issues, but it gets the fundamentals right which is why people still love it to this day.

Probably a budget problem.

@@blacklegacyassets Definitely a budget problem. Wasn't given the money it deserved. Yet still turned out good.

Ouch

Definitely did a better job of adapting the comics

😂😂😂 Exactly

It's definitely not identical to the comics. They made plenty of changes (for good and bad) and it still has that "Saturday Morning Cartoon" filter holding it back. (It's pretty obvious now that you can compare X-Men '97 and this.) But it is true, even in spite of that, it still managed to be a better adaption than most of the movies.

@@Zeik56 Considering the circumstances, the creators did a really admirable job with this show.

Doesn't help that the movies led me so far astray with their depictions of the characters.

@@liamnidas try looking at thy original source material first. The movies changed many things from the comics. You would think Logan was the leader according to the films

@@ojeezy316 Yeah they really did cyclops dirty. Hopefully the MCU version will be the true leader he's meant to be.

@@liamnidas Which was the first X Men comic that you bought?

@@krillin876 X-men vs Avengers

That's just a result of a lack of knowledge on my part. I didn't realise that was Rogue's comic backstory too. Shows just how much this show tried to do the comics justice.

I don't doubt there weren't any. But the animation errors in X-Men The Animated Series were so noticeable that even I saw them

Sometimes you want a bit of cheese. It's the reason why I love a video game like Resident Evil 4 so much.

She just can't help herself

They've finally given him the respect he deserves.

Like I said, she hasn't had that big of a presence since this series. Compared to every other major X-Men character and a lot of the supporting ones in this show, she hasn't really shown up much.

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Exactly. I did really like this show. But it did have some issues that I couldn't ignore.

Even now, after watching the X-Men Animated Series, it's gotten me more into the comics by seeing what was actually canon, so I completely agree.

I'm really looking forward to starting X-Men '97, especially as everyone says they've done Cyclops justice so far. I'll definitely get round to both X-Men Evolution and Wolverine and the X-Men eventually. I'll definitely stick with both shows after I start them even if Evolution doesn't have the best start.

Yes. This rivals X-Men TAS in the same way whoever is number 2 against Usain Bolt is a rival to Usain Bolt. From a technically standpoint, the only thing X-Men has over Batman TAS is the character detailing but this combined with the sheer number of characters in any given episode means in any given episode the animation is comparatively not as good and choppy compared to Batman TAS which is usually much more flowing and less stiff looking and more, well, animated. Really, the only sort of tangible thing you could say about X-Men TAS has over Batman is the narrative ambition and scope in certain areas, but a lot of that comes down to the fact that the X-Men are an entire team of superheroes who constantly travel the globe in addition to dealing with more local events needing their attention which is an apples to oranges comparison to Batman TAS which tends to focus on one hero in one main location more and the other half comes from how unapologetically weird and crazy and grand and high concept the X-Men are compared to Batman generally. Doug Walker/The Nostalgia Critic I think put it best: the X-Men feel BIG. Batman TAS feels more intriguing than BIG, necessarily over all.

@jarrodgoforth1257 Currently watching The New Batman Adventures and I'm overall really enjoying it. It lives up to batman The Animated Series and is a worthy sequel.

@VunderGuy Agree with you completely. Batman The Animated Series is at just too high of a level for X-Men to be comparable in my opinion.

It's a CBR article titled "Why X-men: The Animated Series' Final Season Looks So Odd". There's a quote in the article by Frank Squillace who animated on X-Men where he says it.

@@liamnidas - hey thanks for the tip - I'm doing some X-Men research myself, to paraphrase Norman Osborn. I subbed and look forward to more vids

@@HeroJournalism Cheers. Thank you. Hope I make more videos that are on subjects you like. Got a video releasing today on The New Batman Adventures.

Yeah, as soon as I saw a trailer for it I thought I might not like the high school aspect. But if it gets better, then I'll certainly check it out.

The show isn't weird. It's the fact that parts of it have aged so well and others really poorly that I find weird.

Interesting. I didn't know that. I think I prefer Beast Boy to the name Changeling. And I also think I prefer Morph to Changeling too.

I'm looking forward to watching X-Men '97. So far sounds like a great show.

I'd have to disagree after watching the two shows back to back but I did enjoy both of them. Also I love Patrick Stewart as Professor X but I won't disagree about the X-Men film franchise overall being mediocre.

@@liamnidasSince I grew up watching "Spider-Man TAS", "X-Men TAS" and "Batman TAS", these 3 became a golden standard for me when it comes to making high end animated TV shows.

@@r3miPL I need to watch Spider-man The Animated Series. I hope the rumours of them making a continuation of that show end up being true.

Fair points. They have to let us know somehow. And I think it's a point a writer made as to why you have expo dumps. It was something along the lines of "sometimes you need to give the audience their vegetables so that they can then get to the meat" or something like that.

@@liamnidas - hey, thanks for considering my thoughts, and not getting mad. You had some great analysis and info here, it was a good watch. I think you were a little hard on X-Men, not in that you were overly critical - but in a direct comparison to Batman TAS. It's just misleading to do so, its apples to oranges - one was an iconic character made into cartoon to capitalize on a billion dollar film franchise with a 65 ep order for weekday airing, and the other was a low budget Saturday morning cartoon w/less known characters. If you really want to compare it accurately to other cartoons, compare it to other Saturday morning cartoons, not Batman, which wasn't representative of the general market at all. So yes, you make some valid points about X-Men, but compare the first season - certainly not the best - it to any cartoon from 1990-1992. Any network Saturday morning show from 90-92, any episode, I doubt you could find anything near as good to X-Men's first season. But if people just compare it to Batman, it's not an illuminating comparison. You sai yourself in your video, Batman TAS's WORST animation studio was X-Men's ONLY animation studio, and were paid half the budget that the Batman show paid them, so yeah, there's gonna be a difference. But compare it to any show that was actually on Sats, like Ninja turtles - it kicked the hell out of that show and that show was like in it's third season. Anyways, I appreciate the discussion - and if you find any shows I said it should be compared against, and you find something as good or better than X-Men, you let me know an I'll check it out - if I'm wrong, I'll post about it on my channel, admitting you were right! 😆

@@HeroJournalism For its time and everything going against it, X-men The Animated series was a great achievement.

Batman certainly never dropped the ball with its animation.

Well to be fair,BTAS wasn't meant to have an ending.Cuz that show didn't have any long story threads like X-Men had.That's BTAS could of continued into the Batman adventures without feeling the need to watch over the original series.

@@marktheshark7588 Fair point. I just wish there was at least some closure for the show.

I definitely want to check out Spider-man The Animated Series because people talk so highly of it. Feels like something I'd really enjoy especially as I'm more connected to Spider-man than the X-men.

I don't think this show has the best start and I do think that if five episodes in you weren't enjoying it, then this show probably wasn't for you. But there were some good episodes and moments in this show sprinkled throughout.

@@liamnidas ​​⁠episode one put me off with some of the voice acting, animation and art style (yes I know they’re making it look like the 90s show), but episodes two and three were a lot better. Then four made me doubt and at that point I was ready to write it off. Gave episode five a shot and that may have saved it. Episodes two, three and five are what I want to see

@@siloPIRATE I haven't watched X-men '97 yet but I have seen some clips. And overall it looks like they're doing a great job with the series. Which voices didn't you like? Was it some of the new voice actors or the returning ones?

@@liamnidas​​⁠I don’t know which voice actors are new and who’s returning. I didn’t really watch X Men TAS. I’m comparing X Men 97 to X Men: Evolution, Wolverine and the X Men, Pryde of the X Men (think I watched that one) and the X Men movies. Wolverine, Rogue and Professor Xavier don’t sound right to me in X Men 97. I do know Rogue was supposed to have a southern belle accent (think that’s what it was called), but it sounded better in X Men TAS. Still think the goth depiction in X Men: Evolution is the one that makes the most sense given her powers

@@siloPIRATE The returning voice actors are Storm, Wolverine, Rogue and Beast. Cyclops, Jubilee, Morph, Jean Grey, Magneto, Gambit and Professor X are all recast. The new Professor X voice actor is a really good voice actor called Ross Marquand, he played Red Skull in Avengers Infinity War and Endgame. He does sound weird as Professor X but it's actually quite close to how Professor X sounded in X-men The Amimated Series. I still need to watch all those X-men shows but I'm not surprised that for example Wolverine feels like a letdown in 97 because Steve Blum, a great voice actor, played him in Wolverine and the X-men.

That was better I thought.

Definitely will. A lot of commenters are talking quite highly of it.

The Wolverine Sabretooth episode is definitely a standout. And you've got me very excited to check out X-Men Evolution as that sounds like a really cool idea of having certain characters join different sides.

That's a fair argument. I'm not usually a fan of episodic shows but I loved Batman TAS because it was just so polished.

Honestly, I'd love that.

Even then, Mojo did exist, but, you're right in that it didn't happen that way (at least, from what I've read in the comics so far).

They definitely did the comics justice

Completely agree. I haven't watched X-Men '97 yet but personally I really like the animation and I would argue it's objectively better than the original.

I understand that I may have overstepped the bounds a little. I shall kneel in front of a picture of Wolverine and whip my back a couple of times to apologise.

@@liamnidas That is definitely taking a step in the right direction. Glad that we were able to address your defilement of sacred arts in an amicable fashion. We shall continue to monitor your progress. p.s. you may need to whip your back a more than a couple of times.

@@mimimalignant I'll whip my back for every episode of X-Men The Animated Series

@@liamnidas Your choice of penance has been accepted. You may proceed with the lacerations.

I've got to get round to watching both. I really do hope that they continue Spider-man like they did X-men

Overall, I did like this show. But yeah, a lot of people are just ignoring glaring issues with this show. And it's nowhere near Batman The Animated Series in my mind.

You're right about my lack of knowledge about X-Men. I've learnt that I knew nothing about Rogue. Although in terms of Jubilee, I meant that compared to Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm, Rogue, Beast, Jean Grey, Professor X and Gambit, she hasn't had the same staying power and is not as well known as those characters to wider audiences.

Honestly, I think the animation is overall pretty good in X-Men '97, although sometimes the CGI can be a bit much for me personally.

@@liamnidas 97 has better animation but thats it. The intro also lacks the detail the old one has. Personally I never expected 97 to be as good as the animated series over all. Marvel was a different talent in the 90s. No matter how much Disney increases the budget it wont have that It factor.

@@realamericannegro977 I can see that. I've heard X-Men '97 is pretty good so I hope it can at least be good on its own two feet.

Sadly I think the show should have done more with Jubilee because after five seasons, she never really stops being that audience insert. And by then we already know who the X-Men are. Happy to hear she's a much better character in the comics because there genuinely is a lot that could be done with her character.

Batman TAS is definitely the peak of superhero animation so far I feel. But X-Men TAS is still good and still holds up, despite its ups and downs.

He certainly was in this show

Yeah I always liked that ending to her character. Of all the main mutants, Rogue is the one that I completely understood wanting to lose her power and I'm glad that she got to be with Bobby.

I'm definitely going to give that show a shot soon

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I also wasn't born when it was airing

I loved Morph too. Even though I haven't started X-Men '97, I have seen some clips and am not a fan of Morph's current voice but maybe it will grow on me. Not surprised about Cyclops voice acting being good because Ray Chase is a really good voice actor.

Got hit bad by a virus. Voice still sounds a bit bad. Had to make some videos sounding like it.

Sorry

This guy's an idiot for sure

Heavily disagree. Everyone has a different starting point when it comes to the X-Men and anything like the X-Men. Whilst having a good base knowledge of the X-Men will certainly enhance your viewing experience of this show, if a show is good then it will stand on its own too feet regardless. Plus this is a 90s kids show, most people who watched it back then didn't know about the X-men and what was canon or not. And later X-men media hasn't always been the most faithful to the source material. If I had made a character summary, or spoken about what was canon in the comics then I would understand. But I gave my opinion on a tv show. Sometimes you need to know what an "outsider" who isn't very familiar with the source material thinks to give you a better idea of the reception to a show.

First, I'm not a millennial. Secondly, I'm not going to pretend a show's perfect if I had issues with it. If I did then I would just be meat riding and going with the popular opinion. If you do think the show is perfect there's nothing wrong with that. But I'm not going to lie when it comes to my own opinion.

@@liamnidas well Its true that that.fhe show lacked in the animation department for the first season with standout episodes like cold vengeance " the animation did get better in the third and fourth season but I feel the show holds up because of the world building and story. It brought so many storylines and characters I grew up reading to the small screen, before that all we had was x men appearances in spider man and his amazing friends and that oond pilot episode of pryde of the x men. I never dreamt that I would see the new mutants making appearances in cartoons , cable. X factor, tue silver samurai banshee, sthe star jammers mojo wanda and quick silver , the high evolutionary I could go in and on. X-Men tas imo is the greatest X-Men show ever and X-Men 97 is a continuation of that.

@@Labcabin96 If we're talking the best X-Men show then it certainly could claim that title. And you're right, it absolutely does still hold up and does have some standout episodes. That said, not every aspect of this show holds up and it is worth mentioning that when discussing this show.

I can't help it, I'm a nitpicker.

You mean the same voice actors who voiced the characters over 30 years ago?

Unfortunately, some of the voice actors voices have noticeably aged. And some of the new voices don't have the same ring that they used to. I'm just glad that they got Cyclops so right.

In terms of adaptation they are definitely weaker. But I do like some of them like X-Men Days of Future Past for example.

@@liamnidas you can never go wrong with X-Men and time travel episodes, that's some of their strongest work

I think there is a level of sincerity to admire with the first two. The story didn't seem rushed like everyone of them after. With maybe an exception to be reserved for first class and I think Logan belongs in its own category.

The first 2 movies are good, First Class, Days of Future Past, The Wolverine, and Logan are pretty great. The 3rd movie isn't great, but you kind of have to watch it to complete the story, and I can put up with it enough for that.

X-Men, X2, First Class, Days of Future Past and Logan were all good. The rest were pretty meh.