They could pull an AAR and just call it: Even Newer World

Re: just hiring people with $$. It's well-known for Amazon game's early failures partially came from Amazon simply not understanding that game development is half creative. They wanted specifically a tech company-like approach, in line with their other tech ventures, and they managed their devs in that manner which caused a lot of issues. Not 100% sure if they were still having that issue with NW, but it's believable that they were. So it's not exactly about the money per say, it's also a lot about the management process, especially when assembling new teams from scratch.

I quit when i went to war and the enemy team were using invincible glitches and it wasn't fixed the same week it happened. I was over that, the biggest point of the game is pvp any pvp problems should be fixed in an instant.

Everyone thinks they want a hardcore PVP MMO until they get ganked and lose all their shit lol

One of the ways they fuck it up is focus all the time and effort on visuals and then have 0 idea for its general game design. They fucking remade the game's focus a couple months before release. Doesn't matter how much money you have if you're making an MMO to be an MMO with no vision in the slightest. No one on the team understands what the game should be. I don't think they can pull a FFXIV because Yoshida, for all the godhood meme praise we give him, legitimately did pull the game out from the ashes to resurrect it. The forward thinking planning he did, the time management and optimization of workflow, the bigass excel sheets he made, all that he did was no short of a miracle to save FFXIV. In order to save New World they have to have someone who absolutely knows what they're doing and understands full well what the vision should be. Amazon, the megalith corporation they are, will just cut their losses and give up on it. It requires either heavy selling out to shady monetization that expertly targets whales, or absolute SOUL to save New World.

Shit, hearing those comments about the social guy running the twitter account not being humble reminds me HARD of RIFT. Ads directly targeting WoW players saying shit like "Come join OUR Horde" ruined that game's longevity when it was fucking phenomenal.

I think the worst decision was to build on their own engine. They should have been developping on unreal engine 4/5. And yes obviously the back and forth with pve/pvp, i guess the lead director seem to not really know what he is doing.

I hate seeing games i love fail aswell. I love the new world game, wow, ffxiv, rift, "Old" Tera, etc. Just i dont love what some has turned into. The only one i still find fun anymore is FFxiv, cause it feels like it doesnt waste my time. Some things are a bit dated in the game, and some jobs need some work. But over all at the end of the day i dont regret spending MY time there.

New World could definelty turn it around, but I don't think amazon will do it because amazon doesn't need NW as much as Square Enix needs FF.

I really loved New World's potential it had(still has), but the devs pushed me away from it. I hope Amazon sells it off to another competent company that will give it the attention it truly deserves.

The problem is the lack of marketing survey, people do play PVP, but rarely in a MMO, most people who enjoy PVP do not want the grind, they enjoy quick match constantly to keep the adrenaline going - probably the reason why FPS PVP/Dota/PUBG are still popular. People who play MMO mostly want group PVE only. Ofc, there are games like guild wars 2 that balance PVE and world-v-world nicely.

I think the biggest reason FF14 was able to rise back up is the fact that it is a Final Fantasy game. It is much harder to give up on a staple franchise than to give up on completely brand new game.

I don't think it's a question of money, it's a question of Amazon giving enough of a shit to see their product as something beyond another money maker

They knew it would crash hard which is why they make character names unique world wide, only reason to do that is so you and merge all the servers.

What amazon needed to do was first create a REALLY good single player game and get themselves established in the gaming market. Instead, they went high-risk/high-reward and flopped. This is much deserved, and they should be failing simply because of their hubris.

11:14 Yes, because being nice sells, at the moment at least.

FFXIV is the only MMO that respects my time as a person who needs to work full time and am no longer in college with tons of time to put down on a korean MMO.

"How do you fuck that up ?" You focus your game on PvP and does not implemant any PvE. Simple as that. I've called it since the beta...

Richest company is rich for a reason - they penny pinch, micro manage and rigorously control every aspect of the development process to maximise income, no doubt it's miserable to work there outside of the money, even then they likely have huge turnover of staff and little passion for their projects. Maybe that's good for simple corporate stuff like logistics, online stores and databases, but game dev is constantly iterating kettle of fish and rotating door of technologies, art and popular fashions, where you have to take risks and allow for strong creative vision to sell a unique product that stands out from the competition.

I don't think its possible for New world to pull an ARR because ARR has the Final Fantasy name behind it

I never expected any big success from New World, and never understood what people thought this game was supposed to be. The only thing it has is pretty environment.

Dude, I don't know how anyone expected new world to be any good made by amazon. " oh it has so much money behind it so it's got to be good". Nah man do you see the way they treat their employees? They treat them like shit, and it is incredibly obvious that they cut corners everywhere when it comes to SPENDING money. Thus, I always expected new world would be shit from the moment I heard it was announced by Amazon.

I had a blast leveling and crafting at the beginning. Then the 600 gear score grind started. Then we realized to level crafting you had to spam low level recipes for hours.

Xeno you have 1 thing wrong: Money did not solve everything. They DID spend the money, but they didn't know who to spend it on. Amazon has no idea about the game industry, so they hired the people that could SELL their skillset and vision the best, rather than hiring the actually best qualified people for the job. Combine with that spending big money on a marketing department, that does not properly communicate with the devs and markets a misinterpreted vision of the game, which then forced the devs to actually change the game to make it more like the marketing and yeah.... failure was guaranteed.

The honest problem is they decided to make a difficult game. That is a fail from the get go. There should be difficult things to do on an easy game, that is how you make money. If someone comes home after 12 hours of working they don't usually want more stress. So a game needs to be perceived as easy to get people to log on "for just a couple mins." That is how you make money as a game dev. Then have hard things to "brag" about or feel proud of doing so you retain players.

New World was objectively worse than Anthem but y'all aren't ready for that conversation

You can have pvp in an mmo and if its good and theres a good place to participate and earn rewards, then yea pvp is still pretty fun. But Faction based, full loot hardcore pvp, that shit always fails.

4:02 I actually really want to hear what you had to say about this lol

I vaguely remember seeing this streamed a long while ago. It was so underwhelming i legit forgot it even existed, until now. Now it appears to be dead in the water or failed to even get off the ground. Love to see it.

the thing he said about the just hire ppl thing is that they did that but they hired failed managers and devs. kekdubya

i also liked SOLO a lot for 3 months. good times

The glitches and exploits are what is bad about new world. But as someone who loves and hates pvp, they did that part right. You don't have to do pvp if you don't want to.. Its not like L2 was where you would get ganked from newby zones or like pvp servers on wow that did the same thing, you can do everything you want without being ganked.. Its why I put so much into it, it has something for everyone. But yea everything else like the above stated sucks, the glitches with AH and all chat bugging out and the bots are killing this game, and amazon just aren't fast enough on fixing this stuff. The mobs point is spot on as well.

As someone who played the shit outta this game. The bugs are fucking awful and the Tank PvP meta is such dogshit. Literally just unkillable skilless shitter that build heavy armor healing sets. They can't balance PvP at all, its fucking terrible. There is always one build that is god tier and everyone just plays that one. Not to mention, crafting was good and reasonable to level then Im halfway through leveling the crafting skills and they go... WE ARE MAKING IT TAKE LONGER NEXT PATCH so all the people who did crafting earlier and not leveling/enjoying the content got maxed out crafting while everyone else has to grind for literally 4x as long to get it leveled. They just fucked everyone on crafting which is where you get some of the best gear. I could go on for days about how ahit the game is BUT I'm on FF now and enjoy it a lot so idc what happens or did happen. I had hopes for the game but it failed miserably. One last tidbit, as melee dps, you cant even do damage half the fucking time, not only because your skills missed even if you were on your target but you get body blocked by other players in PvE which is absolute dogshit.

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I didn't want the game to fail. But I also didn't see a way for it not to. They tried to please two very separate categories of players too fast with not enough content ready for either side. It's not uncommon for a new MMO to drop players during that first swing period of waiting for post launch patches but I just don't see them coming out clean

I think if the dev team actually sits down and considers what players want ( which is more casual content to keep them wanting to play) I am a casual pve type player, Most mmo players do not want to pvp, if they wanted to they would play a shooter or League of legends or an rpg with a tactical battling system. the people who want to pvp make up a very small % of an mmo community and thats why you should have it but it not be the main focus for an mmo. I played new world for about a week then stopped it has a beautiful world, great gathering/crafting but thats about it. biggest things from my short time that i wished were better is more enemy variety and for fucks sakes it's 2022 lets people que up for the dungeons i do not want to wait outside for an hour to get a party together to go into the first fucking dungeon, it might be fine if you started playing with friends or if ur a streamer but if ur an everyday joe u dont just have 2 people to go into the dungeon with unless you've been stopping people and making friends instead of grinding out the main quests. the biggest fault of new world is it is very unfriendly to solo players WHEN IT'S BIGGEST STRENGTH IS SOLO GATHERING AND CRAFTING.

Most games including new world because of accessibility. Most people doesnt have good pc, good GPU. I have a Gtx 970 i started new world get like 20 levels then quit because it's hard to maintain 60 fps. Games like FF14,WoW on the otherhand runs smooth as hell. i believe it's the same for many.

Okay, so I just started playing New World about 2 days ago. I was curious about the game for myself. I don't judge games before playing them going by reviews. I like to experience the game myself. So far, I am really enjoying New World and I have yet to see why people don't like it. I enjoy having so many things to be able to do.

Amazon going to pay someone to clone Yoshi P and make a New World REBORN

I feel like new world has superior graphics and lightning than ffxiv but i still also feel like ffxiv is the prettier game... Somehow... The characters contribute a lot.

My bet: They're going to pull the plug either end of Feb or end of March. The real issue with New world and the gaming industry as a whole, is that companies don't need to make good products to be successful anymore. Consumers are so depraved and desperate for content that they'll literally buy anything. If Amazon still turned a profit releasing this game, it's only really a failure to the players.

Albion is dope

I played pso2 on the Japanese servers on pc and ps4 many years ago. Probably a buncha people were burnt out on that game. Then didn't want to play a reskin?

14:40 big no, they don't even acknowledge that they fail so no way it improves, it goes downhill every week

In certain way this game is failing because the sales department was making the big decision. So amazon hired the programmers, gave them a feature list what the game should got, overrode any objection from more experienced persons and planing the product like a normal program. Ignoring balance issues, ignoring bug issues and of course ignoring feedback of the community they used as betatester. What is the most weirdest part they didn't use professional betatester to find and fix bugs early on. When it became apparent that their endgame content is quite thin, they decided lets hinder any progression and downgrade any advancement that the players got so far, instead of fixing it or atleat fixing major bugs. They made the worst decision by coping the failing of FF14 1.0 and adding aggressive monetization to it. Im sure that the developer didn't play their own game or aren't allowed to play it.

Blade and Soul quite literally turned into a gacha credit card swipe fest after the FIRST year or so. It got so ridiculous. That game had a good first year especially since not much else was around at the time, then once they started with the p2w, it got worse and worse until entire guilds were quitting in droves.

New World failing is horrible for MMOs in the future fr. If a company like Amazon can't make a successful MMO that's going to spook any future investors from ever touching MMOs. Sure, future companies/investors can learn from the rubble of New World. But why would they when they can just whip up a gacha or mobile game with countless examples of major success. Why would anyone take that risk and bring a new MMO into market? It's just bad overall.

As a healer, new works was hard to play solo. Some of the quest were like impossible to do solo. So many mobs and respawn rate was high. I had to ask random people who walked by to help. It leased my desire to play it. I did love playing with my friend when he had time. Not a fan of quest being level locked and having to grind to do the next quest and then quickly being level locked again.

no monthly sub fee and devs being careless mean that amazon didn't want the players to continue playing new world. they just wanted the people to purchase the game and move on.

It makes a lot of sense richest company doesn't want to put resources in the new world project which could of easily made this a good game. Big sad the tried and true

7:30 This is Amazon's 5th failed game in a row, and their 6th is out in 8 days- Lost Arc.

NEW W OMEGALUL RLD

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I just started playing new world. its not a bad game if you get it for 50% off haha,

amazon did something with there own devs and it failed. i think it faild harder because of the deaths from 3070, 3080 and 3090 because of new world

Fuck new world... but... "mmorpg player don't want to do pvp" dude... what?

I saw this way back when CohhCarnage streamed it, back when I watched him, and it was immediately obvious that this was going to flop. There was no way I was playing this ish, let alone spend money on it. Yet the degree to which it has destroyed itself is beyond anything that I expected. It's been quite the spectacle.

I play cpl hours a day. Only LVL 44

BDO and BNS doing fine lol

At this point, what game has Amazon's gaming studio developed and not flopped?

SWTOR dejavu

I played bless for like an hour or two then left it, never touched New World.

New world is not perfect but a lot of us love it and continue to play it. For a game that is only on PC and STEAM with 40k+ players daily is not too shabby when you compare it to an FPS big name like COD Vanguard which only has approx 2500+ players daily yet it’s found on every platform. People are going to hate because it’s popular and even though it does have it flaws, for the most part it’s good enough to have to play daily for some of us.

I enjoy seeing bad games fail. It would be tragic if they live forever and slowly torture the poor addicts. Money solves very little with software development. The best people are going to work on projects they like and that's just the way it is.

There are just so many issues with new worlds, I dodged a bullet as people asked me to play it with them and I skipped to play more FFXIV. I think the biggest issues however are common to WoW, ignoring taking on player feedback (from beta) and a "toss it out and fix the issues later" approach. I had zero faith it'd do well in medium term and was a part of my decision, the words I said was, "Give is 18 months and I'll look at getting it when they talk about the first expansion!" Right now I don't think this game will ever get an expansion, it has too many issues that need fixing before that and the player base will be unlikely to stay around for that duration.

Meanwhile FFXI is happily buzzing away in it's little corner, somehow gradually growing in subs despite being a 20 year old PS2 game. SQEX rocks

I would never ever want to play a pvp focused mmorpg, like its just not the type of game I wanna play when i wanna get my pvp on, with a few exceptions (old school runescape actually has pretty enjoyable pvp with a super high skill ceiling when its consensual pvp and you're not getting ganked in the wildy by pkers) but for the most part when I'm playing an mmorpg I want to grind, quest and do high end content.

Bit late to the party here but you bring up the question at 14:24 about NW pulling off an FF14 and I’m here to put things into some larger context when it comes to Squeenix and Final Fantasy’s reputation as a whole. To start off I would like to disclaim I have never played NW never wanted to and have enjoyed a bit of the hubris of watching the failure of Amazons own cockiness bite them in the ass (my personal favorite myth is the ‘Flight of Icarus’) so I am not saying any of this as a defense to Amazon but a sort of varied view point of what might be happening. That being said let me get underway. Final Fantasy is to SE like Blizzard is to Warcraft. You talk to any person with some awareness of the game industry about SE and they’ll pretty much go “they make final fantasy right?”. My point is, FF is a flag ship franchise and FF14 is a main installment of said flagship so, of course, they’re going to reinvent the wheel with a main title. Now, the thing that is less talked about is FF as a whole and its beginnings. Why is Final Fantasy called ‘Final Fantasy’? Sakaguchi attempted to make title after title, all coming up as flops, and his FINAL FANTASY was just that, Final Fantasy. Man had one last attempted hope and it panned out like Stan Lee to a dying Marvel Comics (not enough of a comic nerd to know which comic Stan made to propel Marvel to the comic juggernaut it is today off the top of my head). Sakaguchi put Square Soft on the map (Square would later merge with Enix to form Square Enix) with his Rpg called Final Fantasy. It is a story of triumph by persisting through failures. Why do I bring this up? For two reasons, first is that there is this cultural idea surrounding FF that through persisting when you fail you will find something magical and triumphant. Second, any budding game studio (worth their weight) can stumble and fail till they find their golden goose. Thing thing that studios CANNOT do is take their employees and, just as important if not slightly more, take their fanbase for a damn joyride and lie about what it is they have failed to accomplish. You cannot be unable to see the forest for the trees and hope to succeed when the trees are what you boast about while lying about how great the forest is; you’ll never improve. The take away from this is, yes amazon can throw money and hire people that have experience and probably should have for a consulting stand point. However, the flipside is they have the money to burn banking on a success like Sakaguchi imo because, New World was and should be a wake up call for Amazons game dev company and NW, which was supposed to be a flag ship title in Amazons eyes flopped so it won’t be that. Again, as long as the game devs have learned from their hubris, they’ll be able to make a good game and maintain it. Because, if they don’t learn from their hubris and make a winner, it’ll just fall apart all over again after an arbitrary length of time.

gameplay =boring character = ugly npc = npc world = lifeless everything is the same just like any other mmo. the game dev director has no clue what player want.

The game is fun leveling to 60, but after that you just get lost. 2 dungeons and no raids. Mutators don't really count as a new dungeon. what they need to do is put our new weapons and focus on raids and new abilities plus more dungeons with unique strategies to beat

It's such a shame too because the game had great potential to be something. And they disabled the ability to see the world population?? Talk about in-fucking-secure LMAO. And Bless Unleashed... I uninstalled after playing for about 5 hours (trying to give it a fair chance). I hope Lost Ark turns out to be straight and not just a bunch of hype. I have a feeling that, sure you'll be able to play through the main story and do a few things without having to purchase from cash shop to help you out... but then at the end game content, I think that is where you'll start to see where the p2w comes in..... maybe im wrong but we'll see

man when i check on asmongold strumer and i see him look like an albino 3 way metapod at endgame i know its a bad game and that from a "popular streamer"

It is hard to imagine any game pulling out of this kind of death spiral. It is possible, but very rare.

I quit bc they gave us the game but not servers in SEA wasted 15$

Why did it fail, it was pay2play. They already made the money.

Another game made by bank managers. Games are going through the same thing music has gone through. Bank managers see what it popular and just mash it all together into really trash new versions of the same thing. No originality, no art, no gamer near it at all, it's all just designed by algorithms.

350 hours in, level 60. Most of all a game needs to be fun to play. This just isn't. Another company gets the MMORPG genre wrong again.

I am by no way saying that BDO is a great game but its also in no way a bad game. (Can't speak on B&S cuz I don't play it). There are a fuck ton of MMO's doing MUCH worse off then BDO and obviously a few MMO's that do much better. Yes the game might not have PvE content but hey if you like PvE then BDO is not for you so don't fkin play it, that simple. But also I hate when ppl sit here and try to talk as if they know how the fkin game opperates in its current state if they don't play it regularly or keep up with current patch notes. The game has vastly chaged in many ways over the last few years from what it started off as. Yes you still have the bs RNG upgrade system for gear, but honestly just grind silver and buy your gear off the central market or make a Season character now, its EASY AF to grind billions in BDO in a short time period or level up a seasonal character, and NO you do not need to be a "whale" or spend months of your time now to catch up in gear progression and if you are having issues doing so durring your time with the game then you are simply a dumbass and are not doing it correctly ( KZfaq has tons of guides on this topic ). Can you "pay to win" in BDO? Technically yes but honestly with the rate at which you can catch up nowadays, it does not make the massive difference it once did back in the beginning and anyone who says otherwise doe's not play the game and clearly doe's not know wtf they are talking about. I have 16 characters lv 60 or higher and have 3 sets of endgame gear I can swap out between them and all I did was grind out the silver or participate in seasonal servers and this is all in less then a year. If you tried to do that back in 2016 it would of been impossible without spending thousands of IRL $$$. So not to felx but to prove a point, BDO is not what ppl in chat were saying it is today and is totally ok to play without having to pay for boosts or spend months gearing up 1 character.

Amazon wasn't trying to create a game. They were trying to create a money maker. It the same problem with all big game companies. They start wrong philosophy.

New world screwed its users and its self, by not building there games foundation properly.

i buyd it to play with some friends but i fking regret it

Destiny 2 has pvp snd its great wut u mean.

FF14 killer turned out to b dead itself. Ironic

11:00 "No one's feelings got hurt" lol, I can name at least 3 different instances where someone was literally murdered by someone they were talking trash to over Xbox Live back in the day. The only reason you think no one was mad back then is because you didn't have Twitter.

I agree money can solve almost everything but the best games out there are the ones that people made whit love, sonds corny but is true. This is why indie games are MUCH bether than AAA.

With the new updates coming, things will be much better. Overall though, best game out there by a long shot. It will only get better. People have to be more patient for once lol. No other MMO can right now can compete. If people don't like a grind, then don't play MMO lol.

Xenos thinks you can make a baby in 1 month with 9 pregnant woman XD

Bdo is the only great pvp mmo. And bdo is a great game imo

I remember going absolutely buckwild in multiplayer games. It was honestly some of the most entertaining shit I've experienced in my life. Hearing 11 year old kids call adult black men the N-word without any actual racism going on was just part of playing CoD

I disagree with you that mmorpg players dont wanna play pvp, i think its actually the best kind of pvp if the fundamentals are given... balance, movement, game controls etc...

Game is dead.. made for bot farming.. every low pop server is 99% bots.. each of the 3 high pop servers are 98% bots.. What a shame.. game was good in alpha... went down hill in beta.. nothing was fixed since closed beta.. devs dont care.. players dont even care anymore.. 30k players daily and they shut down the websites showing player counts.. lmao

Glad I got my refund for this while I still could

in my opinion Kindom of amalur have better combat than new world and that game is old as fuck

How hard can it be to make an MMO , just show them heavenward and say " make this but more"

You can't remake an MMO without YoshiP, the man's a literal God and last I checked he doesn't work for Amazon.

yikes

Black Desert Online is by no means a successful MMO. They have whales that spend their entire income on the game, and that's the only reason it's still online. I play BDO, and I hate it. Everyone I know who plays it hates it. The problem is that BDO is the only game that we as a large guild have in common. We've tried to port to other games, FFXIV, Lost Ark, etc, and failed because not everyone was interested in every game. BDO is a PvP game, hands down, but its PvP is awful (client-side combat -> desync out the ass, overly complicated yet inconsistent and therefore unrewarding mechanics). Its PvE (grinding & lifeskilling) is fucking garbage and the story is designed to be skipped. 0/10 avoid at all costs

Pso2's western release and the release of PSO2 New Genesis were unmitigated disasters that really screwed the games over in the long run. Microsoft store exclusivity causing crashes for months for base PSO2 until it came to steam and with NGS it getting released undercooked by at least a year since the Sega execs wanted to recoup the money lost from a mobile gatcha game they put a bunch of money and resources into that bombed hard

The same is going to happen with Ashes of Creation. The reason being is the content creates toxicity. Especially when the game has a medieval setting. MMOs need to be unique, creative and set in a setting that no one has played.

bless unleashed is absolute garbage omfg the name made me nauseated