I love and value your honest reviews so much. You really motivate me when it comes to making neutral and factual content. I wasn’t keen on making voice over videos, but you’re definitely helping me overcome that mental block. Thanks for the inspirations!
@Glarses3 жыл бұрын
bg instrumental noticed. Very smooth.
@chunkymilk12883 жыл бұрын
glarses plays osu confirmed
@toufusoup3 жыл бұрын
Already excited based on the title alone. Time for the popcorn.
@gavzers31943 жыл бұрын
Same here. I feel so bad for all of the people involved in the incident, yet I find so much joy in learning more about all of the problems of the xeno.
@Holly18th3 жыл бұрын
Tea is bouta be spilled
@ape694203 жыл бұрын
Zeal should stick to selling overpriced 20 cent switches for 1 dollar each.
@zx69723 жыл бұрын
tru
@PinePizza3 жыл бұрын
lmao, I've always cringed when seeing their "boutique" switches lineup and how their marketing works.. Using other expensive brands like Tiffany in the same picture to just represent what's wrong with this hobby, it's just this one huge flex, show everyone your 500+$ keeb, add the most expensive items you own and put those next to it.. It's so ridiculous, feels like collecting sneakers at this point. I for my part just want a nice keyboard, no matter how rare or expensive it is and when it comes to switches I'll definitely stick to the zeal alternatives and get some pandas, bobas or T1s!
@zx69723 жыл бұрын
@@PinePizza tru try lilac (tactile) or alpacas (linear) they are smooth and sound good
@PinePizza3 жыл бұрын
@@zx6972 might try lilacs and I already tried Durock L7 switches which are similar to alpacas I've heard... The next switches I will use will be the T1s in the Rama Kara and then the Holy Boba frankenswitches in the Saka68, if I don't like the T1s then I might swap them for lilacs! Thanks :)
@zx69723 жыл бұрын
@@PinePizza bro you kinda rich not gonna lie
@Belv1n3 жыл бұрын
You know its bad when the packaging is the best part
@PwnerSucks3 жыл бұрын
Sorry that you got such a shit board, wish there was something I could do for you.. honestly wish I could just go back in time and avoid this disaster all together but here we are. Appreciate your review and thoughts JYMV.
@SussyBaka-em9rq3 жыл бұрын
What? Wait did you buy one?
@populist41783 жыл бұрын
He’s the group buy creator
@rousseau3273 жыл бұрын
@@populist4178 He's the board designer.
@JYMV3 жыл бұрын
Preemptively addressing the frequency response thing - I'm pretty sure you can't just do what I did with audacity to make a colored mic sound neutral, but it does seem to get it closer to what I hear irl. Still working on other ways to make sound tests more accurate, but that'll be a long long WIP. Thanks for watching!
@PlanetComputer3 жыл бұрын
6
@mcheddadi3 жыл бұрын
Melt the alu into an ingot and stamp it with zeal's logo. put it in the background of all your videos. ultimate reminder of what you think they are.
@AquaticSloth13 жыл бұрын
This is lookin F stock
@travdump2093 жыл бұрын
holy shit zeal, this is unacceptable
@travdump2093 жыл бұрын
i genuinely am not sure if i can trust zeal's group buys, much less switches, after this
@13n13043 жыл бұрын
@@travdump209 Why? His switches are an entirely different story. And it's not like there is any risk because you can just order a couple of them and try them for yourself or watch/read reviews. They are overpriced ofc but it's not like that was ever a secret.
@twobit70743 жыл бұрын
This board also took 2 years to deliver
@user-kz9rz8ui1c3 жыл бұрын
@@13n1304 The switches are unacceptable imo. For $1 you want pretty much the best of that category. That's not what you get. The spring problems are a big no.
@13n13043 жыл бұрын
@@user-kz9rz8ui1c Not sure what you are talking about. I have Tealios and they are pretty good. Also not aware of any spring problems.
@whiffysole3 жыл бұрын
That's a LOT of details in the sound test, wow
@WorldLaughsWithYou3 жыл бұрын
That rust looking residue is dirty coolant from machining copper alloys and not cleaning the coolant tank. Pretty gross shit to see it not cleaned out of the finished product... You should see some of the crap that grows in CNC coolant tanks. I've been burned by Zeal a few times, and it's safe to say that cost =/ quality in this hobby. It's becoming hype beast sneaker culture very quickly. And those machining lines aren't a technical limitation lol, someone couldn't do their job and set tool heights correctly for a nice blend. Rookie shit.
@zephyr.r3 жыл бұрын
hate how you hit the nail right on the head that this hobby is turning into hype beast sneaker culture -Out of stock -Sets and GBs that sell out instantly -Often overpriced for what you receive quality wise -Mech market FULL of resellers I saw a base Iron165 Plum (475$) going for 2700$ second hand and the guy was bragging about how much money he was making flipping keyboards
@WorldLaughsWithYou3 жыл бұрын
@@zephyr.r most of these boards are a maximum of 10 minute machine time and $30 in almunimum, going for prices we charge for nuclear and aerospace components at my shop. I can see charging these prices for a fully custom one off, but most of these GBs are hundreds even thousands of orders. This is shit we would charge a maximum of $100 for lol. But, that's how niche markets go. I have a friend making 6 figures drawing transformers porn.
@JYMV3 жыл бұрын
Update: the rust comes off mostly with just a water bath. The daughter board screw holes still don't work very well though. I gave the brass a soap bath and the smudge did not come off. Seems more or less permanent
@jordangoh47753 жыл бұрын
Have you tried boiling it?
@_fatalruin3 жыл бұрын
What's is most disappointing is that we all expected the smooth silky pristine finishing of the Zephyr on the Xeno --- hell, we were promised it. I'm still waiting on my purple Xeno to be delivered, though it will be made and finished by a different manufacturer (only 2 years late now!). We will have to see if there are any improvements over what was already sent out.
@rousseau3273 жыл бұрын
Same here, and I'm not holding my breath. If there's anything Zeal has proven over the last 2 years, it's that his word doesn't mean anything on topic of Xeno.
@teddyc813 жыл бұрын
Super video! I applauded for $5.00 👏👏
@JYMV3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I really appreciate it!
@johnsabilla58973 жыл бұрын
My opinion of Zealpc still holds. It is the Yeezy of mechanical keyboards, It's just all hype.
@nu35663 жыл бұрын
tru
@ireadysucks30263 жыл бұрын
literally
@wagonet3 жыл бұрын
you're one of the best keyboard reviewers out there. on point.
@oikauapa3 жыл бұрын
Back again with another great video. Thank you!
@izitorg2 жыл бұрын
I just got mine like 2 weeks ago. Zeal had to move production to a different factory, I didn't get the pretty cardboard case but instead a carrying case. But I can tell you that mine has not one of the issues in the video. It's a shame they'd not used the new factory for the entire build.. It's also shocking that it took a solid 2.5 years to get the buy finalised..
@chrislozaga49423 жыл бұрын
The rust is probably galvanic corrosion from using dissimilar metals. It happens unless the dissimilar metals are treated properly. The screw hole threads are unanodized and unprotected. Same happens if you screw a copper pipe into a steel pipe, or use steel screws with a brass piece, etc.
@timehathtcg3 жыл бұрын
Yea done with zeal, honestly quite scary
@Mixail7473 жыл бұрын
Zeal - always overpriced, sometimes decent.
@Hionimi3 жыл бұрын
I thought I was just a little unlucky with my Equinox, also a creation by Pwner in collaboration with Ai03, my unit has 'rusty' screw holes as well, but also the weight screws had to be replaced as the ones that were in it, did not thread well. (It was a miracle the weight didn't come loose during transport.) I must say that I'm a bit worried now seeing this is not an isolated case. I really hope Pwner can address these things. I must admit it will cause me to steer clear of his boards next time until it is addressed. (Also shoutout to MyKeyboard EU, the proxy I bought the board through, as they helped resolving a lot of the issues that I had with the board, like providing replacement screws.)
@PwnerSucks3 жыл бұрын
Hey Hionimi, appreciate your comments. Just wanted to reply quick and say that I am merely a "designer" and that I run with vendors for these specific reasons. If your board had issues, it should have been caught in QC and not even sent out. Extras are ordered for issues like this. I have very limited control over how things are fulfilled and what is sent out, I run with these vendors with the expectation that they are sending out boards in which they themselves would be happy to receive. Sometimes that doesn't happen and in those cases, such as with the Xeno, those are vendors I will no longer work with. Issues like yours frustrate me just as much as they frustrate you because they are easily avoidable and shouldn't happen. Please understand that I sincerely do what I can to make sure everyone who supports me or any collab that I am involved with is happy, there is only so much in power that I can do and if you or anyone else ever has issues you can always reach out to me. I do appreciate your support and I hope that if there is a next time that you choose to support again that you will have a better experience.
@Hionimi3 жыл бұрын
Hi @@PwnerSucks, appreciate that you reply to my message, this was also how the issues were solved, MyKeyboard had extras around as well and swapped out the top which had a lot of this rusty-looking residue. The screws were also swapped out, but other screws didn't seem to fit either so had to get some regular metal looking ones instead of the brass looking ones. All issues are now pretty much solved and just really enjoying the boards. I'm just a bit surprised that issues seem to happen with more than one run.
@Aldarris3 жыл бұрын
Zeal's past his prime, this isn't 2015 anymore. You gotta try a lot harder now than you did back then.
@CodeMonkeX3 жыл бұрын
Yep communication and making things write is the biggest thing. Every company I have bought from so far has been very good at communicating issues and I don't get mad. My Rama board took a lot longer than expected. But they kept us up to date with the issues and I got a great quality product so I don't mind. But taking years to make the Xeno, no communication, then charging full price for a board of this quality is pretty shameful. Zeal should not have made a penny in profit from this at a minimum should have charge cost for these boards. Maybe throw in a full set of switches of your choice something.
@michaeljames13343 жыл бұрын
i have had 2 xenos. and i honestly really liked both of them. i guess i had good ones.
@royal-pw9zn3 жыл бұрын
7:45 . This is fake, your hand size is not listed, therefore I can't say this is real (I'm kidding, I can't even imagine you went this far for a hate comment. The person that said your sound tests are fake is really quiet right now)
@Velvett33 жыл бұрын
i mean u seem to be the most unlucky man to have all the problems on all the boards u have 😂 Anyway great vid! Thx for helping me avoid some GBs that I was interested but got much concerning issues!
@sentinel25923 жыл бұрын
Still waiting on mine, so GB not completed yet. Bummed that this board turned out this way, but still trying to stay optimistic. I do love the layout and the "Classic" case design, and I'm hoping the latest purple anodizing will turn out well, but I'm definitely still expecting the dings. Stinks the board turned out this way for so many.
@ee1yd2 жыл бұрын
how did it turn out?
@sentinel25922 жыл бұрын
@@ee1yd I just got it last week! I haven't built it yet, but the purple anno came out perfect (the top and bottom match as well), but there are some minor comestic issues with the pvd finish on parts of the plate and weight. However, it's not that big of a deal in my eyes, just happy to have it!
@oatmilk99183 жыл бұрын
iron oxide on an alu board... hmmm
@polynotgone834911 ай бұрын
honestly the keyboard sounded pretty good, shame that the build quality wasn’t great.
@botbeamer2 жыл бұрын
Can you please tell me what is that blue keyboard at 3:07 ? Looks really good and I'm looking for a 65%
@morigafter60802 жыл бұрын
That’s a space65
@CodeMonkeX3 жыл бұрын
I like typing tests, because I understand there is really no way to make accurate sound reproduction from you to me. It depends on so much like switches, mic, processing on both ends, my speakers/headphones etc etc. I still like them though to just get an idea and just to hear things in boards that I can look for in my own builds. Like how can we know what scratch, ping, thock or clack sound like without examples. I think just hearing different boards helps us figure out what we are looking for in our own boards, even if we should not buy based on sound profiles from typing tests on youtube. Disclaimer is good idea.
@mateojuanito3 жыл бұрын
Galvanic Corrosion between case and screws?
@rousseau3273 жыл бұрын
Still haven't received mine. Zeal is a joke.
@andrzejskowron70343 жыл бұрын
Same
@etherealkeyboards56793 жыл бұрын
This is by ZealPC? jeez
@H3Y0o2 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad that this keyboard was not sponsored. Pretty sure if this was a sponsored review, they would've sent a refined version of keyboard which would trick consumers to believe that things would be really awesome, instead of catching them off guard in a typical consumer review. I do hope that there will be more reviews like this as well as hoping that this channel will grow exponentially, because this is the kind of honest review that can save many people from the brink of unnecessary bankruptcy and con companies preying on keeb nerds.
@aeryxz3 жыл бұрын
When did zeal have any rep regarding quality?
@sntxrrr3 жыл бұрын
Still waiting on mine.....
@foreverwewin3 жыл бұрын
Zeal in shambles rn
@umaninstrumentalityprject2989 Жыл бұрын
Can w8 for the Mcdonalds collab man
@mousasha-2 жыл бұрын
jenny nicholson land before time video spotted in recs
@hardstones173 жыл бұрын
after trying tealios when they came out and realizing I can get the same result with gaterons or box switches, I will never touch a zeal switch ever again. overpriced period.
@ianstone86603 жыл бұрын
I don't think it has better finish quality than kbdfans
@LEK3 жыл бұрын
Kbdfans is way better than this lol
@PlanetComputer3 жыл бұрын
ok
@Gindaman9993 жыл бұрын
Brass can tarnish
@bassam.20233 жыл бұрын
I couldn't find the price. How much is this mech?
@JYMV3 жыл бұрын
This was $460
@bassam.20233 жыл бұрын
@@JYMV I'm just curious, as a person who spends this kind of money on individual keyboards, what are your expectations? Do you expect perfection? Or do you expect something that's 98 % perfect? Also, do you believe that the company that produced this keyboard could be very profitable at this price range, producing a keyboard that is perfect? By perfection I'm talking about build quality, functionality, and finish. Thanks.
@superweeb69693 жыл бұрын
@@bassam.2023 A 460$ retail price was considered a high end board at this time (but now it’s the norm) and should NEVER have these type of issues. If you take a look at companies like Keycult and Rama, their products have packaging that is just as good and would never come with these issues. I would say they definitely come almost if not perfect. Even the tiniest ding or discoloring would make their products B grade.
@bassam.20233 жыл бұрын
@@superweeb6969 "A 460$ retail price was considered a high end board at this time (but now it’s the norm)". What do you mean it's the norm? Do you mean that this is now the standard price for a groupbuy? Just to be clear, I think anyone who bought the Xeno got shafted. I'd want a refund immediately. I think they would make a huge profit on this venture providing a perfect keyboard for $460. I would estimate the net cost of these boards is no more than $40 and that's probably high. The fact of the matter is though that this company will never get it's kamuffins, the next time they have a group buy, they'll mention that QC will be top notch and mech enthusiasts will close their eyes and reach into their pockets and pay any price.
@superweeb69693 жыл бұрын
@@bassam.2023 The norm meaning there's a lot of group buys in the $400 range nowadays. It was less common when the xeno was in group buy. Your estimate is definitely low for the net cost, I would estimate closer to $100-200 dollar range, which would include alu, packaging, machining, coating, and wage for the workers, and the upfront costs for the machines required to even start. Keycult does many live streams where they show you how they machine their keyboards, there's actually an insane amount of attention to detail that goes into their boards.
@Donbros3 жыл бұрын
Their qc like: ah dents and mismatched whatever
@Beegstation3 жыл бұрын
Zeal is CANCELLED
@quinn_d3 жыл бұрын
kinda wack to ever have had confidence in zeal imo, given his ridiculous pricing model and marketing.
@Liza.Wharton3 жыл бұрын
this... was $460? this is just unacceptable lmao
@splitzkee_3 жыл бұрын
yikes zeal
@Kokaloo923 жыл бұрын
🤖
@ethanoux103 жыл бұрын
Who TF said ur tests were fake?
@FdPros3 жыл бұрын
when my fake canoe qc was better
@looppp3 жыл бұрын
Holy crap.. For that price, this is really really bad.
@kgandhi1883 жыл бұрын
First
@TheRULLY7893 жыл бұрын
75% should be 84 keys. Otherwise, it's pointless for being 75%
@Killer-ku8nf3 жыл бұрын
You can’t believe it, what a complete shambles. Zeal is a joke.
@Killer-ku8nf3 жыл бұрын
The execution is poor?! The execution is more than poor it’s piss poor.
@biiveri31382 жыл бұрын
Lol that horrible engraving has nothing to do with technical limitations, more like incompetent and lazy machining
@goldstein104933 жыл бұрын
This is why I stick to popular brands.
@zer0slayer13 жыл бұрын
Yes..like the amazing Kbdfans!
@ihatehumans51853 жыл бұрын
@@zer0slayer1 lol
@goldstein104933 жыл бұрын
@@zer0slayer1 More like Corsair, Ducky or HyperX. Yes call me basic or plebeian, whatever.
@populist41783 жыл бұрын
Just say you only like stock keyboards. Customs are a completely different ball park compared to the brands you listed.