Schrödingers cat and the Meshuggah subdivision mystery

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Time Consuming Ep #62 and week 2 of 'MAYshuggah' is all about ambiguity. Like the Schrödingers’ cat thought experiment, some things can attain a level of mystery that completely draws my inner philosopher out!
'Broken Cog' original song:
• MESHUGGAH - Broken Cog...
'Light the Shortening Fuse' original song:
• Light The Shortening Fuse
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#musicanalysis #polyrhythms #meshuggah
0:00 intro
0:40 Schrödinger who?
1:14 the science of head banging
3:55 the MESHUGGAH part
6:12 the Back Beat
7:06 conclusions

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@BenEller 2 жыл бұрын

Very, VERY cool video! Enjoyed this very much. That’s something I’ve kinda done for years, reimagining straight rhythm riffs like Crazy Train as triplets instead of 8ths. Fun video!

@JosephYaden 2 жыл бұрын

Uncle Ben!!!

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

BENNNNNN Your murshuroommBurger video was priceless. BEETTSSSSS Love your stuff!

@BenEller 2 жыл бұрын

@@YogevGabay hahaha cheers, man, thank you!!

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

@@BenEller I have some thought about future videos, and I wonder, would you be down for a collaboration?

@BenEller 2 жыл бұрын

@@YogevGabay of course!

@Gabobow 2 жыл бұрын

Dude Light The Shortening Fuse in triplets and quintuplets is fucking killer tbh

@marksoftime 2 жыл бұрын

I think Ligature Marks is one of their best songs off the new album. Pure filth. Continues to be rhythmically genius like practically anything they create.

@JustLilGecko 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly I really love the broken cog, sets the tone of the whole album, and the groove is so sick.

@marksoftime 2 жыл бұрын

@@JustLilGecko yeah you know you’re about to get confused as hell 😂

@voidabstraction 2 жыл бұрын

Phantoms was probably my favourite. But saying that it isn't overly standout compared to the other tracks. Just like most of their discography it's an overall awesome album.

@bryanlewis8777 2 жыл бұрын

For sure, the second half of the song has a very groovy but heavy feel. With the interesting lyrics, amazing.

@marksoftime 2 жыл бұрын

@@bryanlewis8777the section in which they play the chugging on the same note and then the higher note comes in just sends my body flying.

@UncleRJ 2 жыл бұрын

Listening to Broken Cog is still very trippy even now. That opening riff just deceived you with the pattern. And then, the drums kicked in and all sense of rhythm instant collapsed. It really makes you go, "Wait, the pattern didn't go like that?! What?1?!"

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

EXACTLYYYYYY

@danielemmanuel6261 5 ай бұрын

I'm trying to learn it on drums and it's an absolute nightmare trying to coordinate the back beat with the rhythm

@MoioTube 2 жыл бұрын

I vibe to rhythms by clicking my teeth. I love it.

@ddrum1090 2 жыл бұрын

"God He Sees in Mirrors" is one pattern for the whole song!!! Surprised this song hasn't gotten more attention. No breaks in the pattern, the only song to have 1 pattern go the entire time without any resolution or change that doesn't happen naturally in the pattern in all of meshuggahs discography. Even when the rests occur the pattern remain unchanged underneath, where they join back up with the pattern once the rest ends. Undoubtedly my favorite on the album. There's a great video on KZfaq going through the visualization, strongly recommend.

@Lenias7 2 жыл бұрын

It's also probably my favorite on the album, and now I have one more reason why that's so ;) thx

@WebsterA 2 жыл бұрын

@biggie_tea 2 жыл бұрын

The opening of alan Parsons projects 'I robot' does something similar, where the bass synth comes in but it's hard to place, and then when the back beat comes in it actually manages to shift the way you hear it without the line actually changing

@trialbyicecream 2 жыл бұрын

Alive and dead, alive and dead! I felt so teased the whole video the same way we feel so teased missing the backbeat.

@tomkaracho7622 2 жыл бұрын

yogev is single handedly responsible for the upcoming flood of meshuggah cover bands!

@Blackerer 2 жыл бұрын

Fu**! So this is what I was trying to describe. In some places I couldnt find the "time-keeping cymbal" and latched myself to a chug, then I realized that drums are actually doing a sick groove, I just had to understand it. So now, I listen to a "time-keeping groove" and its the sickest thing Ive heard in a LONG time.

@tamirleibovich 2 жыл бұрын

Years of questioning schrodinger equation come to an end

@MRZEDDA 2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad KZfaq algo got me to this channel a while ago.

@DOTACeej 2 жыл бұрын

When i first started to break down broken cog for myself, I too feel into the idea that the opening guitar riff was in straight 16trh notes. I found where the loop restarted and did the maths relative to 8 bars of 4/4 and the maths didnt add up. At which point i became very confused and listened to that intro riff over and over again thinking "what is going on" and the snare wasnt falling where it should be according to what i surmised. At some point i thought i heard Tomas accenting some triplets on the toms during the intro so i switched everything to 12/8 and calculated those number and in that moment of elation i leapt from my chair and just yelled "FUCK YOU GUYS, WHY HAVE YOU DONE ME LIKE THIS?" to think i was deceived so early on in the album by such an innocent sounding riff. Just thought id share.

@gargaj Ай бұрын

The funniest part is that the riff is triplets but not a full bar, so it's like... 22/12, or something? And then it's 8 of that + a 16 quarternote triplet bar so 22 * 8 + 16 = 192 triplets, which is 16 bars.

@oscargill423 2 жыл бұрын

Ngl I wouldn't mind the Schrödinger's cat experiment being a cat and a dog simultaneously

@straazz 2 жыл бұрын

Definitely why I tend to gravitate towards any music. I need that complexity. Earlier that would most often mean the process of making sense of what I'm hearing, and that's still a factor, but lately it's the same with harmony. Which is why I love Tigran so much. And Jacob Collier. And Meshuggah. And frikkin Joshua de la Victoria, Animals As Leaders and so on

@udomatthiasdrums5322 2 жыл бұрын

still love schrödingers work and yours!!

@AidanMmusic96 2 жыл бұрын

Great point about rhythmic complexity/resolution and audience investment. Dead on! Broken Cog is one of the gnarliest Meshuggah songs yet.

@machinate 2 жыл бұрын

This video - after all your previous Meshuggah videos - is an excellent primer to a lot of meshuggah-ness in general: Massive tension caused by ambiguity - resolved by a steady snare.

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed !

@davidfuller581 2 жыл бұрын

Schrodinger's Rhythm: It's both grooving and not until you count it.

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

hahahahahah nice

@t3hgir 2 жыл бұрын

I've been thinking a bit on this for some time, for harmony we have "tonal gravity" from George Russell's work on the Lydian Chromatic Concept. I postulate that there is a similar "backbeat gravity" for polymeter. When sufficient emphasis (ala Meshuggah) is placed on the quarter or eighth note pulse, one can immediately lock in to a 4/4 backbeat despite the surrounding complexity.

@johannrajan6357 2 жыл бұрын

Your scientific explanation took me back to their song "In Death-Is Death. The pattern is exactly similar to what a cross product multiplication looks like. I don't know if Marten meant it that way but it is very sick realizing things like that.

@MaxBerson 2 жыл бұрын

3:34 is funky as hell!

@sergioabdalla 2 жыл бұрын

awesome. nice reasoning and educational approach. hell of a speaker / teacher you sure are.

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, thanks!

@nanadin 2 жыл бұрын

PLEASE do a full breakdown of broken cog!! I mapped it all out in FL studio and it is nuts

@camspianosink 2 жыл бұрын

This is the same thing.. but metal. Holy hell man I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, you are the absolute best. Melding metal and shrodinger’s cat!?!? LOL and YES Thank you and don’t ever stop.

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

thankkkssssss

@unohu3047 2 жыл бұрын

Light the Shortening Fuse in quintuplets actually sounded pretty sick.

@sepiarain 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, the anticipation when introduced to an idea before the groove results in a massive reward, especially if on first listen the reveal is surprising enough to make you take note and want to return to the track again and again.

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

I also love the fact that you KNOW you'll never be fooled by that song again. That 'NEW' feeling. You head it for the first time, and I know that once I know the answer, that feeling will never repeat.

@robotronixgaming2933 2 жыл бұрын

Can't wait to see your analysis of the new Meshuggah songs (and also 'I' lol). Always love your videos! See you in 7 hours. :)

@guitarpsychobilly 2 жыл бұрын

Someone on reddit did an analysis of I not too long ago!

@Shwesmo 2 жыл бұрын

You got me at "Kinetic Response".

@pvlaur 2 жыл бұрын

This was VERY satisfaying❤️‍🔥👍🏼👏🏼💥🤟🏼

@drumkidstu 2 жыл бұрын

Entering into car bomb material when you put that shit into quintuplets

@thedavidponyboy1239 2 жыл бұрын

gosh, amazing video, amazing channel..... u made me a meshuggah fan... love this

@stephen6691 Жыл бұрын

Best explanation I've ever seen of the underlying concepts of rhythm and meter theory.

@hectorvegasduque2234 2 жыл бұрын

2:22 for one second I thought it was going to be mambo number 5

@maxr.k.pravus9518 2 жыл бұрын

yep, that's typical Meshuggah alright. Like Alan Moore said, a good writer uses misdirection to make better writing. Same goes for Meshuggah. I remember when I first started listening to them, especially their older stuff, you start banging your head and then suddenly the beat just "breaks apart" and leaves you confused and a little shaken lol. Great vid as always

@Figgityfoogityfog321 2 жыл бұрын

Your video presentation style & story telling method is extremely entertaining & memorable! It always makes showing my non-musician friends way easier! props!!!

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@nicktalope 2 жыл бұрын

oh no... I have to listen to those songs one more time now... (like everytime a heard meshuggah)

@pablolarrain385 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video! This channel is so underrated!

@kevinkuypers9445 2 жыл бұрын

This is actually so good, not only the content but the production as well.

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Kevin !

@vincentmeka6352 2 жыл бұрын

Could you do analysis on animals as leaders? More specifically, the breakdown in infinite regression?

@htooauntshein9628 2 жыл бұрын

I didn't expect to get rickrolled here but, here I am

@matthewenglund3502 2 жыл бұрын

There are many things I am beginning to understand from your videos. THANK YOU! I have a disconnect though. For myself it’s easier to learn by constructing rather than deconstructing music. It would be great to see you walk though constructing some rythms in the future and I think that would help connect things into that “Oh wow, I finally get it’”

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks ! I may do that in the future !

@imarioiv 2 жыл бұрын

Yogev, I feel like we’d be pretty good friends. Also, as always, AWESOME SEIKO! Great video.

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

hahaha you like seiko, I like you.

@tomweather8887 2 жыл бұрын

Quintuplets sounds so nice on both of them.

@metaddict 2 жыл бұрын

Goddamnit, I asked for Brogen Cog and got it, now I guess I have to subscribe to this channel :(

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

hahahahahah it's only fair

@carlcarl167 2 жыл бұрын

Between your videos and The Art of Drumming HQ, my understanding of musical rhythms has been greatly improved. Thank you for making such entertaining, informative content. \m/

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

Ohhh nice !

@Mr._Kagle Жыл бұрын

I can't feel the "Light the Shortening Fuse" pattern in 16th notes even with the backbeat. My mind latches onto it being in triplets and interprets the backbeat as an intricate snare pattern.

@YogevGabay Жыл бұрын

hahhahah what a groovy problem to have !

@S-dr7jx 2 жыл бұрын

the best video title about rythm in the universe!!!!

@astrolopitekos 2 жыл бұрын

Watched the first semi-final of Eurovision and then this. I think I have brain damage now.

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

hahahahah wow

@saintsrule1853 2 жыл бұрын

Oh boy!!!! Best Mayshuggah ever

@Jeej123 Жыл бұрын

that triplet broken cog bit sounded fucking awesome 5:05

@kyatzz Жыл бұрын

Meshuggah as quintuplets sounds killer

@Hyunjin_is_Bread 2 жыл бұрын

Man I love your videos and the atmosphere they have

@redlayerguitars 2 жыл бұрын

It's funny it's saying Schrödinger's cat related to Meshuggah... I'm litteraly waiting on something to be revealed which is kind of all or nothing... also Meshuggah-related :')

@bjrnthorness1151 2 жыл бұрын

light the shortening fuse is quintuplets actually sounded pretty dope.

@elderozone 2 жыл бұрын

Good stuff as always!

@Crcmvnt 2 жыл бұрын

I love Tuesdays!

@chriscatharsis5236 2 жыл бұрын

now i wish light the shortening fuse was in triplets! i thought i was listening to a destroy erase improve out take!

@MoioTube 2 жыл бұрын

I beg you, do I Am Colossus. I've been listening to that piece for years without ever fully grasping it.

@mcAzcrew 2 жыл бұрын

My guy Yogev has just Car Bombarded thoses Meshy's songs.

@tsahihanuka4461 2 жыл бұрын

one of your best videos! thanks:)

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks !!!

@user-kb3fm8ed7g 2 жыл бұрын

אהבתי את הריקרול יצירתי שלך מאוד

@UnexpectedAmy 2 жыл бұрын

Absurdly good video!!

@JS-tm1gq Жыл бұрын

Years ago when I roomed with maths students I remember debating with one of them that music rhythms exist in quantum states. They debated I was bullshit. Thanks for backing me up here Yogev!

@YogevGabay Жыл бұрын

You're very welcome !

@JS-tm1gq Жыл бұрын

@@YogevGabay Harmony is also. Think of the subdominant triad IV in a Mixo/Gospel (an F), then compare the supertonic triad II in a Phrygian-Major/Flamenco (an F), which are both the same chord transposed to the frequency, but wildly different when affected by their outside influences. (btw love your vids since forever MASSIVE THANKS!!)

@LukeZuniga 2 жыл бұрын

Broken Cog is probably one of the best Meshuggah grooves.

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@gurukimci Жыл бұрын

You are making some great points in your conclusion about music being challenging. I feel this to be true in any art-form / medium. You articulated it well. Good stuff.

@YogevGabay Жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot !

@Denny_Boi 10 ай бұрын

My more musically educated friend sort of enlightened me of this occurrence. He called them ghost notes and having to headbang to what you don't hear instead of what you. Not so sure if that applies here, but it's how I began to grasp Meshuggah.

@YogevGabay 10 ай бұрын

Yes it's exactly that !

@ArtemisiaSayakaRandazzo 2 жыл бұрын

My two loves Physics and Meshuggah in one!

@CadeLand011 2 жыл бұрын

awesome i love your content. you gotta do Kaleidoscope next

@hdrevolution123 2 жыл бұрын

Good video my friend!

@CoronelC 2 жыл бұрын

Polyrhythmic Synth Jazz by Stuck in November

@isiahfletcher2859 2 жыл бұрын

I now expect somebody to (if someone hasn't already) make a metal cover of Catdog

@FranHn1982 2 жыл бұрын

Fabulous aproach to this perspective/subjective rhythm phenomenon that is a kind of mistery in the space-time matrix, of wich the Shuggah boys are genuine wizards, and personally can't fin the way to explain, so, THANK YOU!!! 🤘🔥

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@davidjairala69 2 жыл бұрын

Ok but can Schrodinger explain how a fuse can be shortening when you haven't even lit it yet?

@batweed 2 жыл бұрын

The fuse is both lit and unlit at the same time ;)

@ranatha 2 жыл бұрын

Light the shortening fusr sounds like early mrshuggah

@solyamidoremifasolya1027 2 жыл бұрын

Спасибо за видео, Йогев..)

@firstname_lastname3507 2 жыл бұрын

Such a good video

@salz-peterzucker426 2 жыл бұрын

I like your Fisix!

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

That's what you get when you buy Physics from Ali Express.

@m0nkeyman911 2 жыл бұрын

1:18 Instant recognition

@blackenedone662 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for finally answering the age old question… is broken cog’s subdivision quintuplets?

@user-ec6kt2fg7m 2 жыл бұрын

Digital Elephants could be in a Wangan Racing game intro.

@vaquilina 2 жыл бұрын

hell yes

@carlc7508 2 жыл бұрын

yes, that is the exact explanation of the schrödingers cat problem :D :D :D :D

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

Dude, I'm an expert in biology. I know all of Eddie Schrodingers work.

@cowsaysmoo51 Жыл бұрын

I still have trouble feeling both of these songs in their respective sub-beats. Broken Cog feels more like 3/4 than 4/4 with triplets, and the riff for Light the Shortening Fuse sounds like it's BEGGING to be felt as triplets. My brain still hasn't been able to hear them any other way. When I listen to them carefully it's obvious that my intuition is wrong but somehow I can't "unhear" the way I'm used to hearing them.

@JesterWDE 2 жыл бұрын

I’m begging you please analyze Born In Dissonance 🙏🏻

@wigrex 2 жыл бұрын

yeees please

@forevermetal89 2 жыл бұрын

I always assumed they secretly wrote in 1/8 time signature, with any number of measures in a phrase, playing at ridiculous bpms.....😐

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

hahahahahaah

@Bobobo-bo-bo-bobobo Жыл бұрын

Light the Shortening Fuse in triplets is downtuned Lamb of God, and quintuplets is Dream Theater lol

@muddydave01 2 жыл бұрын

Dead and alive cat until you open the box and observe it. Some take it further and suggest the act of observing tiny sub atomic particles actually brings them into reality, that is Meshuggah is actually playing in triplets, sixteenths and quints until you listen and perceive one into reality.

@briancherry8088 2 жыл бұрын

What's up with that middle section of Abysmal Eye?

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l5eCqruD38naj2g.html here you go ! hope this helps

@ofirtalmor 2 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy the whole "I'm a simple minded Israeli" thing.

@YogevGabay 2 жыл бұрын

hahahaa

@Benjamin-om3ih 2 жыл бұрын

I think the shrodingers cat thing is the cat is both alive and dead

@JP-pd1el 2 жыл бұрын

Correct me if I'm wrong, but "Ivory Tower"'s beginning (TVSOR album) is constructed on an ambiguity - or a transition from a binary to a ternary backbeat isn't it ?

@Djent_Djenerator Жыл бұрын

Isn’t combustion by Meshuggah also a Schrödinger’s rhythm then? Because of the offputting rhythm of it making it sound like it’s on offbeats but it’s on the downbeat? Just like the intro hi hat being on the downbeat

@YogevGabay Жыл бұрын

Hell yeah ! Did you see my video on it?